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Plastic Surgery Run Amok, or Renee Zellweger: What Were You Thinking?


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5 minutes ago, Bastet said:

 But a blandly beautiful face is preferred on female actors.  It's getting better, but the pressure is still strong to have a nose is in no way distinctive. 

Why, for what purpose?  Why are people so scared for women to have distinctive noses on screen?

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1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Why, for what purpose?  Why are people so scared for women to have distinctive noses on screen?

Why are any of the ridiculously narrow beauty standards to which women in Hollywood have been and continue to be subjected so ingrained?  Sexism, racism, fat shaming, heteronormativity, etc.  The nose thing specifically?  That one's probably historically most rooted in racism, particularly anti-Semitism, not wanting a nose that makes a woman look like she might have any "ethnic" ancestry.  Look at poor Jennifer Grey.  She resisted the advice to change her nose for years, gave in, started getting cast more, and then the second procedure made her not just bland but unrecognizable as herself.

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On 10/23/2022 at 2:11 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Jennifer's nose was done.  Most female actors do their nose.  I'm hoping one day there's some kind of tell all about a Harvey Weinstein like figure who went around telling every beautiful female actor to do this.  Because I don't get where all the pressure comes from.  Especially from actors who used to be models.  Models go to Hollywood and start fixing their noses.  It makes no sense.

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I'm just messing with you but I did grow up a fan 

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On 10/21/2022 at 6:47 AM, JackDuncan said:

There is no celebrity nowadays that has never got any plastic surgeries. I am a specialist in this domain, and I can recognize people who have had at least one plastic surgery.

Lorry Hill did two videos on this and she said it was HARD to find celebrities she didn't think got surgery. 

Basically, Kristen Stewart, Alicia Silverstone, Bianca Lawson, Paulina Porizkov, Harry Styles, Billie Eilish, Emilia Clarke, Kate Winslet, Chloe Bailey, Timothe Chalamet, Shailene Woodley, Paul Rudd, and  Monica Bellucci.

I really go back and forth on if I think John Krasinski got a nose job. 

Jennifer Connelly probably got a breast reduction as well as her nose.

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Paul Rudd seems incredibly sweet but he looks different from movie to movie.  I know people always say he looks the same but he doesn't.  He did something.

Kate Winslet's nose is sharper or more 'streamlined' now like most women's.  It was round and very cute before.  It reminds me of Gillian Anderson.  Everyone thought she was like the cutest woman alive and yet she felt the need to sharpen her features.  Jennifer Connelly too.  Whyyyyy.   They all look so bird like and sharp now.

Someone who actually didn't?  That's a hard one.  I can only think of women who did but were very subtle about it.  And maybe some men.  LOL.  

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13 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Paul Rudd seems incredibly sweet but he looks different from movie to movie.  I know people always say he looks the same but he doesn't.  He did something.

His face seems to be getting smoother and tighter. 

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Gwen Stefani was on Drew Barrymore's show yesterday.  I always say that Gwen changed her face as much as Renee Zellweger did, but everyone shits on Renee and nobody says anything about Gwen.  People say "She ages so well!"  Give me a break.  🙄  It's hard for me to look at her.  I looked up to her so much in the 90s.

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On 10/23/2022 at 2:32 PM, Bastet said:

I'm so glad Cybill Shepherd didn't change hers when she transitioned from modeling to acting; it's perfect for her beautiful face.

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So far I haven't seen anything noticeably different other than Julia going from being a teenager to being her late 20's and maybe some nose tip refining and maaaayyybbbbbe a partial buccal fat removal. However she is kinda climbing for the stratosphere so things might start to change.

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On 11/3/2022 at 7:57 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Gwen Stefani was on Drew Barrymore's show yesterday.  I always say that Gwen changed her face as much as Renee Zellweger did, but everyone shits on Renee and nobody says anything about Gwen.  People say "She ages so well!"  Give me a break.  🙄  It's hard for me to look at her.  I looked up to her so much in the 90s.

I think the main difference here is Renee actually went under the knife and Gwen is just getting injections.  A face-lift gets you mocked, but injections get a pass.  From what I have seen of Gwen's face since she's been back on The Voice is her doing both Botox and fillers.  Her cheeks are fuller at 50+ then they were when she was in her 20s.

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23 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I think the main difference here is Renee actually went under the knife and Gwen is just getting injections.  A face-lift gets you mocked, but injections get a pass.  From what I have seen of Gwen's face since she's been back on The Voice is her doing both Botox and fillers.  Her cheeks are fuller at 50+ then they were when she was in her 20s.

Her eyes have changed, her nose has changed, her mouth has changed.  And that's just what I know.  

I kind of think Billie Eilish has had work done.

Men who I think have had facelifts:  Seth Meyers and David Spade.

Women who look amazing and like they barely have had any work done?  Sanaa Lathan and Nia Long.  Gabrielle Union did her nose for sure but other than that she looks great.  

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On 11/8/2022 at 3:26 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I kind of think Billie Eilish has had work done.

Going by her childhood photos, I can see a nose job and dermabrasion to remove her freckles, but I'd put it at that. Here's Lorry's analysis...she basically thinks that Billie is all natural:

I'm generally agreeing with her although I can maaayybbbe see a nosejob, but even then the change is too subtle to tell. We're a long way from the days when everyone requested a cute little upturned WASPy nose.

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13 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

New Gwen photo 😢

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I think the full-glam suits her here though I do suspect the editing software aids in that. I don't know why celebs post pics or allow others to post pics where they heavily edit the face but leave the neck alone.  

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On 11/17/2022 at 7:45 AM, Ohiopirate02 said:

I think the full-glam suits her here though I do suspect the editing software aids in that. I don't know why celebs post pics or allow others to post pics where they heavily edit the face but leave the neck alone.  

Thats true, they say the "tells" on women are our hands and neck.

I find it hard to see facial plastic surgery sometimes- makeup and weight loss can do a LOT. When I am thinner my nose looks so much sharper, and I have a thin face for my frame anyway- weight loss, makeup and photoshopping makes it hard for me to tell when its subtle.

On 11/1/2022 at 7:44 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Paul Rudd seems incredibly sweet but he looks different from movie to movie.  I know people always say he looks the same but he doesn't.  He did something.

Kate Winslet's nose is sharper or more 'streamlined' now like most women's.  It was round and very cute before.  It reminds me of Gillian Anderson.  Everyone thought she was like the cutest woman alive and yet she felt the need to sharpen her features.  Jennifer Connelly too.  Whyyyyy.   They all look so bird like and sharp now.

Someone who actually didn't?  That's a hard one.  I can only think of women who did but were very subtle about it.  And maybe some men.  LOL.  

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See that looks like aging and makeup to me. You could be right tough, but she still looks like herself which is good.

(bolding mine) I think the "sharp small" features are the "standard" of beauty in white North American culture- (except for large eyes are fine, makes women look doll/child like). Mayium Bialik has spoken about this, not only are you expected to be white, thin, with light hair, you have to have small features to be attractive. I think of how people have spoken about Sarah Jessica Parker (who I think is quite attractive).

On 11/8/2022 at 2:26 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Women who look amazing and like they barely have had any work done?  Sanaa Lathan and Nia Long.  Gabrielle Union did her nose for sure but other than that she looks great.  

All three are goddesses. Where has Nia been these days? (last I heard was about her partner having an affair with the owner's wife and getting fired from his job for violating the anti-fraternization policy) Gabrielle's nose does look good think. But is that aging and makeup- I dont know! 

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On 11/17/2022 at 8:05 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Someone else who has completely changed her face - Mindy Kaling.  I can't even look at her.

Lorry Hill just did an analysis on her. (She did decline to comment on whether or not Mindy was bleaching her skin at various points because it's not her expertise.)

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On 10/21/2022 at 6:47 AM, JackDuncan said:

There is no celebrity nowadays that has never got any plastic surgeries. I am a specialist in this domain, and I can recognize people who have had at least one plastic surgery. They are some common things that can be noticeable on people's faces. I got my certification in aesthetics from https://www.nwcollege.edu/programs/advanced-aesthetics. An easy way to understand if a celebrity is getting plastic surgery is to find some old photos. Sometimes you can see two different people in the photos.

Yeah, that's the basic premise of Lorry HIll's YouTube channel. She's done a few videos about celebs she doesn't think had plastic surgery, but it's really hard. Even Zendaya had at least a nosejob and a buccal fat liposuction. 

Anyway, I follow this 1970's t.v. actress named Judy Norton on YouTube, who talks about her time on The Waltons. She's claimed no plastic surgery in a video once (and to be fair she does have a lot of the natural markers of aging into a woman in her mid-60's) but I swear I thought she got an eyejob. Maybe an old one that she hasn't touched up, similar to what happened to Jamie Lee Curtis.  Thoughts?

Her Walton's Co-star Mary McDonough actively campaigned for safer breast implants after she experienced problems with her 1980's boob job. She believes the implants triggered her getting Lupus. I wonder if her being a natural redhead has something to do with it? Supposedly they're sensitive to anesthesia. 

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18 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Thats true, they say the "tells" on women are our hands and neck.

I find it hard to see facial plastic surgery sometimes- makeup and weight loss can do a LOT. When I am thinner my nose looks so much sharper, and I have a thin face for my frame anyway- weight loss, makeup and photoshopping makes it hard for me to tell when its subtle.

I always look for the makeup and photoshop before running to say a starlet has had work done.  Makeup is a hobby of mine so I do study different techniques even if I would never wear them.  I can spot the Scott Barnes sculpted look that many sport on red carpets.  I also look for the photoshop or facetune tell which is usually like that picture of Gwen I commented on--they only alter the face and not the rest of the body.  I also wonder if the changing trends in makeup contribute to people thinking someone had work done.  The sculpted look has been de riguer for awhile now, but a decade ago it was only used in high fashion photoshoots and in drag.  The god-awful nose contour can make one think someone had a nose job when it's really just makeup.  

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15 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I always look for the makeup and photoshop before running to say a starlet has had work done.  Makeup is a hobby of mine so I do study different techniques even if I would never wear them.  I can spot the Scott Barnes sculpted look that many sport on red carpets.  I also look for the photoshop or facetune tell which is usually like that picture of Gwen I commented on--they only alter the face and not the rest of the body.  I also wonder if the changing trends in makeup contribute to people thinking someone had work done.  The sculpted look has been de riguer for awhile now, but a decade ago it was only used in high fashion photoshoots and in drag.  The god-awful nose contour can make one think someone had a nose job when it's really just makeup.  

This is true. I wouldn't have pegged Zendya for a nose job- she is still REALLY young, your face changes between 14 and 26, (most women don't get taller but our face matures a lot) add makeup to that, and who knows! Makeup can do a lot, but it cannot do everything. You have to compare bare face to bare face.

I do appreciate you sharing the video @methodwriter85. I checked out some photos of Julie Horton and she looks pretty much like an older version of herself. She does have hooded eyes, and when she was younger some well placed eyeshadow could change the shape of that more than when you have a more mature face.

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8 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

Lorry Hill just did an analysis on her. (She did decline to comment on whether or not Mindy was bleaching her skin at various points because it's not her expertise.)

I will give Mindy the tiny bit of the doubt, I dont think she is bleaching her skin- I think its 1. bad lighting (lighting is notoriously BAD at these events for persons with melanin unless its for a predominately POC cast), 2. skin tones changing with the seasons- some people aren't aware that some POC can have a wide range of skin tones depending on how much sun we get (summer, winter etc), Mindy has a cooler undertone to her skin, but when she tans in the sun she will go deeper, but not so golden (compared to a warmer skin tone). I hate to take this back to myself because I am not a celebrity, but between the flash, winter/summer, if the event is lit properly I have looked several different shades on the same evening! Once at a friend's wedding I was BEIGE because the light was so bright, but in the day time photos we took my skin appeared deeper.

I think she has lost weight and does some things to her nose/chin, she also has better makeup.

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38 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I will give Mindy the tiny bit of the doubt, I dont think she is bleaching her skin- I think its 1. bad lighting (lighting is notoriously BAD at these events for persons with melanin unless its for a predominately POC cast), 2. skin tones changing with the seasons- some people aren't aware that some POC can have a wide range of skin tones depending on how much sun we get (summer, winter etc), Mindy has a cooler undertone to her skin, but when she tans in the sun she will go deeper, but not so golden (compared to a warmer skin tone). I hate to take this back to myself because I am not a celebrity, but between the flash, winter/summer, if the event is lit properly I have looked several different shades on the same evening! Once at a friend's wedding I was BEIGE because the light was so bright, but in the day time photos we took my skin appeared deeper.

I think she has lost weight and does some things to her nose/chin, she also has better makeup.

Time and money allow for actresses to have developed makeup skills they lacked or afford a MUA for events. It also looks like she's wearing the wrong foundation color in the before pic which could be due to the lack of commercially available foundations in her range at the time or her using the wrong makeup artist.   Mindy is now rich enough to afford a better makeup artist, and almost every major brand have expanded their shade range to accommodate for more skintones. 

She is also seeing a dermatologist regularly.  And that derm is going to insist on daily SPF as part of her treatment plan.   

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1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Time and money allow for actresses to have developed makeup skills they lacked or afford a MUA for events. It also looks like she's wearing the wrong foundation color in the before pic which could be due to the lack of commercially available foundations in her range at the time or her using the wrong makeup artist.   Mindy is now rich enough to afford a better makeup artist, and almost every major brand have expanded their shade range to accommodate for more skintones. 

She is also seeing a dermatologist regularly.  And that derm is going to insist on daily SPF as part of her treatment plan.   

Yes I agree with everything you said!

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14 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I know she's had some work done, but how can a woman look so damn good?  It's mind boggling.

Its the stack of good genes (look at her Mom and sister, both stunning without J.Lo's money), clean living (no drinking, drugs, plenty of exercise, strict calorie plan and nutritious food), wealth (being able to outsource stressful things, and money for cosmetics) and a good surgeon (which also goes into wealth)- in that order I think. 

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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

Its the stack of good genes (look at her Mom and sister, both stunning without J.Lo's money), clean living (no drinking, drugs, plenty of exercise, strict calorie plan and nutritious food), wealth (being able to outsource stressful things, and money for cosmetics) and a good surgeon (which also goes into wealth)- in that order I think. 

I love that she has this 'natural' sort of look to her and doesn't succumb to the typical Kardashian / Instagram face that everyone else is getting.  She looks honestly breathtaking.  And like a breath of fresh air.

I watched her rehearsing for Hustlers on YouTube.  She definitely loves her exercise and she definitely works damn hard at it.

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1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I love that she has this 'natural' sort of look to her and doesn't succumb to the typical Kardashian / Instagram face that everyone else is getting.  She looks honestly breathtaking.  And like a breath of fresh air.

I watched her rehearsing for Hustlers on YouTube.  She definitely loves her exercise and she definitely works damn hard at it.

J.Lo’s thing is that she wants to look like herself, but just a younger refreshed version herself, not someone else. I mean it helps when you are god given gorgeous, but I can imagine it’s hard to accept yourself changing when you’ve always been known as stunningly beautiful. 
 

Compare her to someone like Khole Kardashian, who although I don’t think she was the beauty Kim and Kourtney were (with their original faces) she was cute! She is so tall, with gorgeous long legs, clear skin, she had long thick hair that was hers, not extensions. Khole was cute, and now she doesn’t even look like herself at all, but a “build a face”. 
 

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Now yes she’s lost weight, and she was someone who’s face would change with weight loss (naturally), but it’s striking and it’s not just the 15yrs difference either. 

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But the thing is it's not just her........ it's every Z list to C list any woman on Instagram now.  I don't know if you watch The Bachelor but any woman who thinks they're going to get a proximity of airtime anywhere has this face now.  Chrissy Teigen posted her new face on Instagram a while back and received like 1000 comments in a row of saying "Is this Khloe Kardashian?"  They're all doing it, they all look the same, and it's so scary.

I went to look up J.Lo's family.  While her sister Lynda kind of does have the plastic sort of face that makes me recoil - her, mother, WOW.  She looks GREAT!   Leslie looks a lot more natural but I don't know if there are recent pictures.

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9 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

But the thing is it's not just her........ it's every Z list to C list any woman on Instagram now.  I don't know if you watch The Bachelor but any woman who thinks they're going to get a proximity of airtime anywhere has this face now.  Chrissy Teigen posted her new face on Instagram a while back and received like 1000 comments in a row of saying "Is this Khloe Kardashian?"  They're all doing it, they all look the same, and it's so scary.

I went to look up J.Lo's family.  While her sister Lynda kind of does have the plastic sort of face that makes me recoil - her, mother, WOW.  She looks GREAT!   Leslie looks a lot more natural but I don't know if there are recent pictures.

I don’t watch The Bachelor but I believe you. I know that “looks” go in and out of style (hair, makeup etc).

Some people have looks that are ”in” at the moment and they play into that, but with cosmetic surgery being more accessible and women having more independent income than ever before I am not surprised some are “changing their faces” to fit in. Changing your hair, or clothing is something that can be pretty easily undone, but your FACE???

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5 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

But the thing is it's not just her........ it's every Z list to C list any woman on Instagram now.  I don't know if you watch The Bachelor but any woman who thinks they're going to get a proximity of airtime anywhere has this face now.  Chrissy Teigen posted her new face on Instagram a while back and received like 1000 comments in a row of saying "Is this Khloe Kardashian?"  They're all doing it, they all look the same, and it's so scary.

It's sad how much they all look the same. For me what makes someone beautiful is their uniqueness. Like J-Lo, she's got the standard beauty but she's got this little bump in her nose that sets her apart from others who have a similar look to her. 

I just think that this "insta-filtered" look pseudo celebs are going for these days makes them all look so generic. 

To me the Kardashians all look creepy now and IDK why anyone would look to them for beauty advice since really the only advice they could give is to pay to change everything about yourself. 

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8 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

It's sad how much they all look the same. For me what makes someone beautiful is their uniqueness. Like J-Lo, she's got the standard beauty but she's got this little bump in her nose that sets her apart from others who have a similar look to her. 

I also love her mouth.  So many female celebrities immediately start pumping up their upper lip and it looks so gross (like Gwen's upthread).  I love how J.Lo just keeps it pretty natural and wears great makeup.  When somebody like her or Gwyneth Paltrow or Alicia Keys or someone goes makeup free, it actually means something, because they still have basically the same face.  When Khloe Kardashian or Bella Hadid posts makeup free selfies it's like.......🙄🙄🙄  Ok.

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On 12/5/2022 at 7:03 PM, Mabinogia said:

To me the Kardashians all look creepy now and IDK why anyone would look to them for beauty advice since really the only advice they could give is to pay to change everything about yourself. 

And the thing is, I think that all three (Kourtney, Kim and Khloe) were quite attractive with their original faces!! 
I know beauty is subjective, but I wouldn’t have described any of them as “plain” or “average” with the face they had before they started messing with it. 
 

Them from 2007. Kim had a more heart shaped face that suited her lip and chin. Kourtney has had the least work done it looks like. 
 

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I'll never forget when Khloe debuted her new face (I don't know how many there have been, but let's say this was the most dramatic change).  So many people including myself were freaking out.  They're normalizing and glamourizing plastic surgery in a way that just really bums me out.  It wouldn't be as hard for me to stomach if more people were upfront about it, but instead the usual stance is to deny deny deny.  So what they're also really normalizing is the lying, and their fans just eat it up and will be there to jump on anyone who points it out.  I know that gaslighting has become a term that has been very frequently used, but I'm sorry, that is what it is.

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I remember seeing the first commercial Kourtney did for that migraine med she does them for because I hadn't seen her with that face up until then. I thought she was Wendy Williams with the cameras using a fuzzy filter to make her look younger at first...😄
 

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2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Big cheeks is something I find so cute on people.  It's one of the things I once found Chrissy Teigen so attractive for. 😢  Who decided it's unattractive?  Seriously?  So BABIES are unattractive?! 

Babies are precious and full cheeks are often a sign of youthfulness. 

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On 12/5/2022 at 5:29 PM, Jaded said:

Madonna at an event in Miami recently honoring her "Sex" book from the 90's.
 

Well in my lifetime number one goddess in terms of beauty and sex appeal.  
 

Having said that wish she would chill on the grillz in her mouth and face.  Seems unnecessary 

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11 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

Lorry Hill's analysis of Simon Cowell. Basically, way too much filler.

Going to watch now. 
 

So my first comment is that the 70s hair styles REALLY suited Simon. Yes I know he was younger (duh) but he does have a “rugged” face and the styles that were popular then really brought out his features. I loved it in him!
 

Moving on to the surgery part- what she said made a lot of sense. Now I’m not a doctor, but looking as Simon’s “before” a FACIAL and a change in his skincare routine may have given him the “refresh” he wanted without a non-invasive procedure and it’s side effects. Anybody else think that?

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