Star Wars Rebels - General Discussion

[johntfs]

3 hours ago, ganesh said:

My point was how much does Thrawn know about Palpatine? 

We really don't know that, but how much does he really need to know at this point?  He knows what the Empire does, how it operates and that it does so at the express command of Palpatine.  At best Thrawn is the Empire's Erwin Rommel, a harsh but personally honorable person who is nonetheless willfully blind to Palpatine's evil.  Rommel eventually turned against Hitler and died because he moved against him.  We'll see what happens with Thrawn.

Edited November 7, 2017 by johntfs

[ganesh]

That would be a great plot. 

[DarkRaichu]

This multi-episodes arc reminded me of Clone Wars.  The episodes are ok.  It is nice they acknowledged Lothal is pretty big with southern hemisphere still untouched by the Empire.  

And who knew the Force connected Loth-Wolves were actually related to Kanan?  We thought Ezra was the Jedi Jon Snow? :D :D :D

Not sure what the Rebellion's long term plan for Lothal.  Even if they destroy the plant and let the planet free, what's stopping the Empire from coming back to retake or worse, completely obliterate the planet?

Also I have a sick feeling Hera and Kanan are not going to end up together... :(

[Terrafamilia]

"It's a ventilation shaft. It's what you do."

[ganesh]

I thought the wolves were just saying "doom" as in "there's doom coming to this planet" in that the attack is going to wreck the place. I guess since Kanan was saying that he thinks they were drawn here before they met Ezra that Kanan has a connection with the wolves. I kind of call bs on it because connections with animals is Ezra's thing.

I don't know that the rebellion has any plan for Lothal. Her argument was that they would be routed by the TIE defenders so they had to eliminate the production facility. It's a good, strategic military decision. I would guess that they will try to eliminate the plant and wipe out any technical information. At that point maybe the empire thinks the expense isn't worth it and just moves to up production of the regular ties. 

Seriously, Hera, going into hyperspace *through* the ship. Since she's in R1, I'm wondering where she was during the OT because they would have won a lot sooner. 

Honestly, I'm getting a little sick of the timidity of Bail Organa and Mon Mothma. It's hard to believe these are the people that authorized the assault on the planet in R1. 

Although, since we never heard of any "Battle of Lothal", I'm wondering how successful there are here. 

[johntfs]

15 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Honestly, I'm getting a little sick of the timidity of Bail Organa and Mon Mothma. It's hard to believe these are the people that authorized the assault on the planet in R1. 

It hasn't been that long since Thrawn almost destroyed the Rebels at Atollon.  They're understandably wary/scared of risking their fleet in open battle again - especially since they'll probably be going up against Thrawn again.

[ganesh]

Eh, they didn't really say that though. Hera's point is that if the empire is allowed to mass produce the tie defenders, then it's not going to matter anyway. That still doesn't speak to my point that these are the same people that did order the assault on the planet in R1. So maybe they do win here and it emboldens them. 

I know it's a kids' show, so they can't really get down into it, but there doesn't seem to be much of a plan here. Just hold on? Till when? They essentially got lucky about the clue that lead to the death star plans. Everyone ignored Saw ranting about it. Which, he's not doing himself any favors. 

I think this season has been great; I'm not calling bs on anything. 

Sometimes you have to roll the hard six.

Edited November 9, 2017 by ganesh

[DarkRaichu]

15 hours ago, ganesh said:

I thought the wolves were just saying "doom" as in "there's doom coming to this planet" in that the attack is going to wreck the place. I guess since Kanan was saying that he thinks they were drawn here before they met Ezra that Kanan has a connection with the wolves. I kind of call bs on it because connections with animals is Ezra's thing.

They made a point to show the wolves were waiting for Kanan to move before leading them to the tunnels (out of TIE bombardment).  Also, the Loth-wolf said "Dume" to which Kanan said Kanan Caleb Dume was the name he was born with

Edited November 9, 2017 by DarkRaichu
fixed thanks to Hawkes

[ganesh]

I didn't know "Dume" was his last name. I thought they were just saying doom. 

[Hawkes]

Kanan Jarrus isn't his original name.  It's Caleb Dume.  He changed his name to Kanan Jarrus so he could hide from those hunting down the Jedi.

[ganesh]

Yeah I forgot. 

[call me ishmael]

6 hours ago, ganesh said:

Yeah I forgot. 

I think they were hoping we all would (i did).  That way we would spend a week worrying about which doom was coming.

[ganesh]

I don't know if anyone watches Outlander, but the main characters are supposed to be these star crossed lovers and it's supposed to be this sweeping romance, but I ship Kanan and Hera way way harder. 

[DarkRaichu]

I shipped Obi Wan and Satine back in Clone Wars and we know what happened to them :(  Just saying, Rebels and CW are created by the same minds

[ganesh]

Hera gets promoted to General after an enormous sacrifice by Kanan. I know you can't really have deaths on a kids' show, but TPTBs have an out with Kanan becoming one with the force. I figure they can't kill off Ezra because he's still a kid too. 

I was cracking up when Sabine was pointing at Hera and Kanan making out and then totally melted when Hera said "may the force be with you" and closed the door. That was basically his death warrant. 

[call me ishmael]

Finally caught up.  I have to agree with the people thinking that Kanan is never leaving Lothal either because he becomes a force ghost and merges with the planet or something else.   I couldn't quite figure out why they were making such a big thing about the plans to evacuate.  Obviously they are implying that the empire is going to do something particularly destructive to Lothal but I am not sure what it is.  It isn't an early test of the death star since we know that happens elsewhere.  And it seems unlikely that they dropped the cave drawings with the possibility that they are early jedi without some sort of payoff.

Does anyone know how many episodes we have left?  There is one Monday and then the following week it looks like there aren't any.  But beyond that...?

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, call me ishmael said:

Does anyone know how many episodes we have left?  There is one Monday and then the following week it looks like there aren't any.  But beyond that...?

We're just about at the half way mark. 16 total episodes for Season 4 and Monday night should be episode 8.

I agree, Kanan isn't leaving Lothal, probably becoming a Force Ghost. I'm not sure about Ezra, obviously there can't be any Jedi left (outside of the ones in A New Hope). 

The Hera/Kanan scenes are killing me because I know there's no HEA for them, it's all so bittersweet. 

Edited November 13, 2017 by Morrigan2575

[readster]

I'm getting the same thoughts on Kanan too, but I'm also seeing that Governor Pryce isn't going to be leaving Lothal either. Because since this season began, she has been growing more and more wanting to do things her way than Thrawn. We know where that got the last high ranking Empire officer. 

[DarkRaichu]

On 11/10/2017 at 0:31 PM, ganesh said:

Hera gets promoted to General after an enormous sacrifice by Kanan.

Per the last episode, Hera became a general BEFORE going to Lothal.  Gov Pryce still referred her as Captain Syndulla while the Phoenix squadron called her General.  I wished they showed us the promotion as it was so abrupt.  Did she get promoted because she was leading a squadron? 

Seeing X-Wing & Y-wing together was cool.

TIE Defender was a threat alright.  It took someone with Hera's skill, an X-Wing, and some tricks to win against it

Damn, literally a sea of TIEs vs 8-10 Wings. 

That look on Loth-Wolf, Kanan may become a force ghost in the next ep or 2 (mid series / fall finale).

[ganesh]

On 11/12/2017 at 5:35 PM, Morrigan2575 said:

I'm not sure about Ezra, obviously there can't be any Jedi left (outside of the ones in A New Hope). 

That's not true. There's plenty of Jedi/potential Sith/force sensitives who survived the purge. The canon has Vader hunting them down and trying to train his own apprentices to dethrone Palpatine. Plus, Mr. Snopes looked rather ancient in A New Hope II: The Force Awakens so he could have been around the whole time. There's no way Ezra is going to actually die on a kids' show. They have an out with Kanan becoming one with the force, but Ezra isn't nearly at the level where he could do that. 

 

35 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

Per the last episode, Hera became a general BEFORE going to Lothal.

I wanted some big ceremony for her. Boo.

[readster]

7 hours ago, ganesh said:

That's not true. There's plenty of Jedi/potential Sith/force sensitives who survived the purge. The canon has Vader hunting them down and trying to train his own apprentices to dethrone Palpatine. Plus, Mr. Snopes looked rather ancient in A New Hope II: The Force Awakens so he could have been around the whole time. There's no way Ezra is going to actually die on a kids' show. They have an out with Kanan becoming one with the force, but Ezra isn't nearly at the level where he could do that. 

 

I wanted some big ceremony for her. Boo.

Funny thing about Ezra, since they next Star Was trilogy after Episode IX, is suppose to take place on the other side of the galaxy. I could see an aged Ezra showing up there. He kind of went off into his own seclusion without ever really finishing his jedi training.  He be in his late 40s. 

[ganesh]

I don't understand how if Hera is a general now that she's leading an x-wing sortie on Lothal. Shouldn't she be in a flag ship directing the larger scale operation? I understand that this is a set up for her to meet Thrawn, who clearly respects her, but I think they could have gotten there otherwise. Also, she is so BAMF for beating Thrawn's assassin twice. Thrawn is going to be *so* impressed that she's a general now. 

I'm surprised they lost this battle because we know there's no tie defenders in ANH or even R1, so that means there's got to be something big coming up. 

Since we know she's not a player in the OT because why would they not have someone of her talents involved, I'm hoping there is some Thrawn-Hera-Ezra alliance to close out the series. 

[johntfs]

16 hours ago, ganesh said:

Since we know she's not a player in the OT because why would they not have someone of her talents involved,

It's a big Rebellion.  Presumably during the time of the original trilogy she's off doing other shit.

Edited November 18, 2017 by johntfs

[ganesh]

Is it though? How big of a rebellion is it? Where has the size of the rebellion been established on the show? It doesn't look that big on Yahvin to me. Everyone seems to know everyone, and they've deliberately been organized into cells, so you can't really tell. 

Since she is one of the heroes of this series, and because it's canon in the Star Wars universe, and since we know they *aren't* involved in the OT, I'm interested in how they aren't involved or what else they are doing. 

Hera and Chopper both were in R1, which is literally right before ANH, so it's fair to speculate what or where everyone was. *Especially* since she is the only pilot to defeat the tie defenders in combat *and* both Mon Mothma and Organa acknowledged that the tie defenders would wipe them out. 

One would think you would want your best when assaulting the death star and not rely on a smuggler flying a bucket of junk and a farmboy. Since the assault was the signature victory of the rebellion, and seemingly the rebellion threw everything it had at it since they needed the falcon too, it's fair to ask what else was so important that she wouldn't be part of it. With the hindsight of seeing the OT, we've all been discussing the fate of these characters with the series being closed out so soon. 

[johntfs]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

One would think you would want your best when assaulting the death star and not rely on a smuggler flying a bucket of junk and a farmboy. Since the assault was the signature victory of the rebellion, and seemingly the rebellion threw everything it had at it since they needed the falcon too, it's fair to ask what else was so important that she wouldn't be part of it. With the hindsight of seeing the OT, we've all been discussing the fate of these characters with the series being closed out so soon. 

The thing to remember about the Battle of Yavin is that it was something of a surprise to the Rebels.  In the aftermath of Rogue One the idea was that Leia would get the Death Star plans to Yavin where the Rebels, from the comfort of their secret base, emphasis secret, would be able to carefully study the plans to find a weakness that would eventually allow them to destroy the Death Star.  Sure, if the Rebels had known the Death Star was coming, they'd have wanted Hera there (actually, if they'd known the Death Star was coming, they'd have packed all their stuff and run to find another base).  Since they didn't know, they assumed that their secret base was still a secret.  In that case you don't want someone as accomplished and badass as Hera hanging around the base.  You want her out in the galaxy setting the Empire's boots on fire.  Where was she in SW4?  Who knows?  Maybe she's the reason the Death Star was by itself instead of accompanied by a shit-ton of Star Destroyers and support ships.  As for Yavin the Rebels relied on a farm boy and a smuggler because that's part of what they had when the Death Star showed up and it was either kill it then or go the way of Alderaan.

Edited November 18, 2017 by johntfs

[ganesh]

Yes, I know. My fundamental point was speculating what she could have been doing and looking forward to the show addressing this. "Presumably, she's off doing something else." Clearly she is. That's a rather blase observation, and I certainly hope TPTB give these characters a great send off and don't leave it as, 'oh they're over here now'. What could it be? I'm hoping it's something that does have a major impact on the OT, for her and all the characters on the show. 

For someone like Hera, who has emerged as a great non-Force hero in the Star Wars universe, just to be "off doing something else," seems an injustice to the character. I hope it's something super cool. Out of all the main cast, it's hard for me to think that she would abandon the rebellion, especially being in R1. 

It's the same thing with Thrawn. They've done a great job with him, and the comparison to Rommel made here is apt. Here's a major tactician and shrewd judge of character that's "presumably off doing something else" during the OT too. Palpatine isn't an idiot; there's no way he'd just let such a strong asset just leave. 

[johntfs]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

It's the same thing with Thrawn. They've done a great job with him, and the comparison to Rommel made here is apt. Here's a major tactician and shrewd judge of character that's "presumably off doing something else" during the OT too. Palpatine isn't an idiot; there's no way he'd just let such a strong asset just leave. 

We'll probably get some level of closure regarding Thrawn because the next book in a trilogy centered on him comes out in 2018.  I suspect that the book will be concurrent with or set some time after SW: Rebels.  Plus there's a third book coming after that one, likely in 2019 or 2020.

It would not surprise me to see Thrawn turn up in Star Wars IX.  I suspect that Luke will perish in The Last Jedi.  Han Solo is already dead and Carrie Fisher has died in real life.  Given that situation, I could see Thrawn coming in as a kind of Imperial "Elder Statesman" represent the Imperial Remnant in siding with the New Republics against the New Order.  Hell maybe Hera will turn up in Episode IX as well as an Elder Stateswoman for the New Republic.  I will say that even with the Luke, Han and Leia gone, if I was a member of the First Order the prospect of facing down General Hera Syndulla and Grand Admiral Thrawn would make me want to shit my shiny metal shorts.

Edited November 19, 2017 by johntfs

[ganesh]

With Leia making her final appearance in episode XIII, and the OT being about the Skywalkers, I would doubt we lose Luke in the next movie. 

[johntfs]

58 minutes ago, ganesh said:

With Leia making her final appearance in episode XIII, and the OT being about the Skywalkers, I would doubt we lose Luke in the next movie. 

Nobody thought Leia would be making her final appearance in VIII.  She was supposed to have a big role in IX.  If The Force Awakens was a kind of redo of A New Hope figure VIII will at least bring in elements of The Empire Strikes Back.  One of the big setups in V and VI was the idea that Luke was alone against Vader and Palpatine.  Ben and Yoda ghosted into the Force.  Luke had no backup in the form of General Obi-wan Kenobi or Master Yoda.

The same will need to be true here.  Rey can't really come fully into her own with the legendary Luke Skywalker supporting her and backing her up.  Now, maybe Luke will ghost into the Force or some other thing that allows him to appear as a vision or spirit, but something has to happen to Luke Skywalker that stops him from taking a truly active part in the story and leaves the role of "The Last Jedi" to Rey.

[ganesh]

I'm just not buying that. 

[johntfs]

2 minutes ago, ganesh said:

I'm just not buying that. 

I'm not really selling it to you.  The focus characters of the new trilogy are Finn, Rey and to a lesser extent, Poe.  Luke, Han and Leia had their time in the heroic sun.  Now they help support other heroes.  In The Force Awakens Han was a cockeyed version of Obi-wan, there to get the characters where they needed to be.  Figure in this movie, it's Luke's job to be a version of Yoda, to train Rey and get her ready for the confrontations she'll have to endure but not to go through them for her.  And yet, he's not Yoda, he's Luke Skywalker so it's not really going to be in his personality to train Rey and then sleep in his "swamp."  He'd go with her, so something has to happen so he can't.  It's just how heroic fiction works.  Frodo has to carry the Ring to Mount Doom.  Luke has to deal with Vader and Palpatine.  Rey is going to have to have the final confrontation with Kylo Ren and Snoke on her own.

But I suppose we'll find out in mid-December.

[johntfs]

On 11/12/2017 at 6:35 PM, Morrigan2575 said:

I agree, Kanan isn't leaving Lothal, probably becoming a Force Ghost. I'm not sure about Ezra, obviously there can't be any Jedi left (outside of the ones in A New Hope). 

The Hera/Kanan scenes are killing me because I know there's no HEA for them, it's all so bittersweet. 

I suspect that Kanen will die/become a Force ghost and that Ezra will cap the series performing some grandly awesome Force feat that "burns out" his Jedi powers for some lengthy but indefinite period of time.

While I feel bad/sad for Hera and Kanen, his departure (one way or another) opens a weird idea in my head.  I find myself sort of "'shipping" Hera and Thrawn.  It wouldn't be something in this show, obviously, but I could see Star Wars 9 having them show up as a couple, after 40+ years with a lot of twists and turns.  I think even as enemies, they respect each other, which is one thing I think is essential for any relationship, especially a romantic one, to really work.  For Thrawn I think respect has given way to admiration.  I went back and rewatched "Hera's Heroes."  One of the most interesting parts about that episode is that it's the only one where we see Thrawn get really, truly angry at someone, in this case Captain Slavin.  His rage is provoked by Slavin referring to the Kalikori as "trash."  Beyond being a piece of living art, the Kalikori symbolizes Hera's family and heritage.  By calling it trash, Slavin is calling Hera's family and Hera herself "trash."  I think Slavin effectively calling Hera, someone Thrawn even then respected and even admired, "trash" is what really provoked Thrawn's anger, showing he likely has feelings for her deeper than he would care to admit even to himself.

Again, it's not like I see Hera and Thrawn getting married standing on Kanen's grave or anything, but, yeah, forty years on with a lot of twists and turns, I could see them together coming to help the Resistance against the First Order.

[catray]

Episode descriptions (and an air date) are up on Zap2It:
 

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Jedi Night Season 4, Episode 10 Airing Feb 24, 2018

The Ghost Crew infiltrates the Imperial headquarters on Lothal to save one of their own.

 

DUME Season 4, Episode 11 Airing Mar 03, 2018

Reeling from a devastating loss, the Ghost crew rallies together to find a new purpose and resolve.

 

I am not okay with this at all!!

[Morrigan2575]

I don't like that 2nd description at all. ???

[readster]

6 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I don't like that 2nd description at all. ???

Neither do I. That's my birthday weekend, that wouldn't be a good present. 

[frenchtoast]

14 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I don't like that 2nd description at all. ???

Me three. I have a bad feeling that the end of Jedi Night is going to be a heartbreaker. 

[call me ishmael]

I have a bad feeling about this.

[paulvdb]

The Final Episodes of "Star Wars Rebels" Begin February 19 on Disney XD
 

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The multi-platform schedule, in the U.S., for the remaining "Star Wars Rebels" episodes is:

MONDAY, FEB. 19

· Premiere telecasts of "Jedi Night" (9:00 p.m. EST) and "DUME" (9:30 p.m. EST) on Disney XD and will be released on the DisneyNOW App (www.DisneyNOW.com) at 10:00 p.m. EST.

MONDAY, FEB. 26

· Premiere telecasts of "Wolves and a Door" (9:00 p.m. EST) and "A World Between Worlds" (9:30 p.m. EST) on Disney XD and will be released on the DisneyNOW App (www.DisneyNOW.com) at 10:00 p.m. EST.

MONDAY, MARCH 5

· Premiere telecasts of "A Fool's Hope" (8:30 p.m. EST) and "Family Reunion - and Farewell" (9:00 p.m. EST) on Disney XD and will be released on the DisneyNOW App (www.DisneyNOW.com) at 10:00 p.m. EST.

[readster]

4 hours ago, paulvdb said:

The Final Episodes of "Star Wars Rebels" Begin February 19 on Disney XD
 

Sad. So sad. 

[Morrigan2575]

Just saw a promo for the final few episodes and it nearly brought me to tears.

It looks beautiful but, I'm so worried about this group, I don't want anyone to die but, I'm afraid I don't see a wait out for some of them ?

[Morrigan2575]

I didn't have my glasses on so I couldn't read the times on my DVR. I picked the episode I thought said 8:30 over the one that said 9:00. Sadly, I picked wrong so, I was very spoiled in the first 30 seconds for the previous episodes ending. 

That being said the ending was telegraphed a mile away. 

?

Edited February 20, 2018 by Morrigan2575

[ZoqFotPik]

Yeah, they weren't at all subtle about that.

[Perfect Xero]

Jedi in the movies: Almost the entire Jedi Order gets killed by a few blaster shots from Clone Troopers.

Kanan: Takes an entire giant fleet sized fuel supply exploding to take him out, even then he holds the blast back for a minute or more while simultaneously pushing an entire craft full of his friends clear.

[johntfs]

Badass in the Force, Kanan was.

[Morrigan2575]

I didn't cry at his death but, Zeb hugging Ezra and Chopper holding Hera's hand hit me hard ?

Edited February 22, 2018 by Morrigan2575

[johntfs]

Did anyone else notice Thrawn during the interrogation of Hera?  While he was his usual silkily menacing self, his interactions of Hera achieved the exact opposite of what an interrogator should want.  Before Thrawn showed up, Hera was tortured, in pain and probably fighting fear and despair.  Then Thrawn showed up with the Kali-kori, bringing up Hera's brother, reconnecting her with her family heritage and greatest source of strength.  By the time Thrawn left, Hera's determination to resist had been redoubled, paving the way for her rescue.  I have to wonder if that wasn't Thrawn's intention all along - to help Hera maintain her resistance until her friends could rescue her.

[ganesh]

On 2/20/2018 at 1:51 PM, Perfect Xero said:

Kanan: Takes an entire giant fleet sized fuel supply exploding to take him out, even then he holds the blast back for a minute or more while simultaneously pushing an entire craft full of his friends clear.

They fight with the Force way more in the Clone Wars and this show than any of the movies combined. I mean, Anakin V Dooku, by that point, Anakin should have crushed his throat before he took a step. 

I'm surprised they killed Kanan off so quick. As soon as he cut his hair, I was like, uh oh. Interesting though that he took out the entire fuel refinery. We know that the TIE defenders aren't in the movies, so maybe the show in ending on wiping out that part of the Empire's arsenal. Actually, I'd say they kick the Empire off Lothal, and Ezra sticks around to protect the planet while the rest go fight in Rogue One. 

I would have liked a little more in the second episode. Ezra's plot was kind of obtuse. I wish they said a little more about why the need to go to the temple. Or what was there. 

I'm really interested to know what happens to Thrawn. I want him to get away. 

8 hours ago, johntfs said:

I have to wonder if that wasn't Thrawn's intention all along - to help Hera maintain her resistance until her friends could rescue her.

Oh I have no doubt. I don't think Thrawn is a rebel sympathizer, but I think he personally just admires Hera. I'm not so sure Thrawn cares one way or another about the rebellion and is there for his own ends. 

Edited February 22, 2018 by ganesh

[Stallion12]

I'm hoping erza and ashoka team up and lose to the sith, but it let's the ghost escape.

[Perfect Xero]

Maybe Thrawn wants the rebels around to either kill off or make some of the other Imperial officers look stupid.

[ganesh]

Thrawn could also be playing the 'weaken the Empire just enough/keep the rebels just strong enough' to play both off themselves like Palapatine was doing in the prequels. Maybe he thinks his people will come in and take over if both sides are engaged with one another. Though, I would think they'd tip us off to that by now. 

I'm just not seeing Thrawn with a clear investment in the Empire like Tarkin is.