Star Wars Rebels - General Discussion

[Chyromaniac]

Did... did they really name Thrawn's ship the Chimera?

[paulvdb]

The name Chimaera for Thrawn's ship was first mentioned in the 1990s in Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy where the character was first introduced.

[ganesh]

That's awesome. I hope Thrawn makes it out of the OT. 

[DarkRaichu]

On 2/26/2017 at 4:24 AM, ZoqFotPik said:

They should have either replaced multiple planets on the map, replaced another planet and left their base alone, or not done anything with it because if Thrawn has any kind of backup or even a really good memory he will know exactly what has changed. I liked that Yularen and Thrawn didn't buy Lyste as Fulcrum for a second. All that aside, I thought it was just a fair episode. It ultimately was yet another 'The crew infiltrates an Imperial base and gets away unscathed' episode.

This. When Kallus ordered Chopper to replace the planet, I was getting ready for Thrawn attacking the rebels base in the season finale.  Kallus should have known better than severely underestimated someone as meticulous as Thrawn.  

Having mentioned that, is it just me or Kallus has been acting more like a rebel after he was identified as Fulcrum?  His actions seemed to be more shortsighted and "in the moment" types of decisions.  IIRC his actions were more tactical (compared to other Imperial officers) in season 1

[ganesh]

Thrawn is the type of guy to have multiple copies of the maps anyway.

[ZoqFotPik]

35 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

I was getting ready for Thrawn attacking the rebels base in the season finale.

This is my prediction too. This could lead to (Rogue One Spoiler)

Spoiler

them operating out of Yavin as seen in Rogue One.

[paulvdb]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Thrawn is the type of guy to have multiple copies of the maps anyway.

Thrawn is the type of guy to have memorized that map. When they showed him looking at it after it had been changed I assumed that he immediately knew which planet had been replaced. So either he'll attack the real rebel base soon or he'll attack all the other planets and let the rebels think they fooled him.

[catray]

Late commenting here.

"Legacy of Mandalore" - this episode was absolutely fantastic; one of my favorites of the season so far. Loved finally meeting Sabine's family and having that all come together.  I am not surprised Sabine decided to stay behind to help her family, and I definitely don't think that means she's gone for good. I was a bit disappointed that between this episode and the next we didn't get any scenes with the whole Ghost crew saying good-bye/being sad but I fully believe this is part of Sabine's destiny, as much as she claims not to want it-- it'll be hers eventually. I honestly really haven't cared about the Mandalorians so much up to this point, but these were a great couple of episodes with Sabine. Loved her fighting Gar Saxon with Ezra's light saber.

"Through Imperial Eyes" - totally convinced Kallus isn't going to make it out of this season. Thrawn definitely suspected he was Fulcrum before this episode and knows for sure now and because Kallus decided not to take the out being offered to him... it's going to be his undoing. I hope Kallus is smart enough to realize with Thrawn and Yularen on the case, his days are numbered. Changing the map also seemed like an hastily made decision that doesn't seem to bode well for him.

[Morrigan2575]

Another great episode this week. Poor Kallus, he should have gotten on that shuttle. As smart as he is, he was up against two masters at this game.

I don't expect for him to make it out of the season alive. What's worse is I'm worried about how much damage he'll do to the Rebellion while acting as an unintentional Double Agent.

[DarkRaichu]

Season 4 was officially announced:

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-rebels-to-return-for-fourth-season-this-fall

[call me ishmael]

I'm a big fan of Thrawn but i'm getting tired of the all-wise, all-calculating shtick that they have developed.  I'm sure it is leading up to him driving them out of their base (although you do wonder where he went after that given that you would think he would follow up if he is so astute) but the endless episodes of them getting away so that he can put yet another nail in their conference is tiresome.  I thought this was a big letdown from Sabine's episode.

and yes, Kallus was an idiot.  That just makes it worse.

[johntfs]

I predict that Thrawn will make some fatal mistake, let the Rebels escape and end up exiled to the Unknown Regions -[url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit] just as he planned all along!!![/url]

Edited March 4, 2017 by johntfs

[DarkRaichu]

The one thing I really want to see is Bendu's reaction to Thrawn bombing the heck out of his planet.  Will Mr. neutrality & the middle stay neutral when his environment is destroyed by either side of the conflict?  

[readster]

Loved everyone's reaction from the TIE Defender popping out of hyperspace and taking out Gold Squadron. However, I also loved how they took the TIE out and the Star Destroyers with the nebula. I sadly did want a certain mustache admiral to finally go down with the ship though. 

[VCRTracking]

Okay I kind of teared up a little at the end.

"This, my friends, this is our Rebellion."

Edited March 5, 2017 by VCRTracking

[ZoqFotPik]

I feel like this could have been two episodes. One with the Gold squadron being attacked by the TIE Defender, and the other with the Ghost escorting Mon Mothma. I think that a seeing a potential game changer fighter like the Defender  in action should have had it's own episode and could ended with Phoenix Squadron suffering it's first real loss in a while. I felt that Mon Mothma's speech at the end was a rehash of Ezra's from season one. It was nice to hear that not everyone is a fan of Phoenix and that their actions have made life more difficult for some of the other Rebel groups. Also, were all of those ships just waiting in hyperspace for Mon Mothma to show up? I suppose there could have been a time skip because Phoenix Home is among the fleet and Sato was watching the speech from the base, or it was different ship.

[readster]

16 hours ago, ZoqFotPik said:

I feel like this could have been two episodes. One with the Gold squadron being attacked by the TIE Defender, and the other with the Ghost escorting Mon Mothma. I think that a seeing a potential game changer fighter like the Defender  in action should have had it's own episode and could ended with Phoenix Squadron suffering it's first real loss in a while. I felt that Mon Mothma's speech at the end was a rehash of Ezra's from season one. It was nice to hear that not everyone is a fan of Phoenix and that their actions have made life more difficult for some of the other Rebel groups. Also, were all of those ships just waiting in hyperspace for Mon Mothma to show up? I suppose there could have been a time skip because Phoenix Home is among the fleet and Sato was watching the speech from the base, or it was different ship.

There were some very weird plot holes or rushes. Another thing was both Star Destroyers left ablaze from the nebula. I would have loved one completely exploding and then our usual "run away villains" coming out looking scared and hurt and then Thrawn seeing this going: "Well played." I liked how the TIE Defender was destroyed. 

[DarkRaichu]

2 hours ago, readster said:

There were some very weird plot holes or rushes. Another thing was both Star Destroyers left ablaze from the nebula. I would have loved one completely exploding and then our usual "run away villains" coming out looking scared and hurt and then Thrawn seeing this going: "Well played." I liked how the TIE Defender was destroyed. 

I want to know if that Governor survived the blaze.  It looked like 1/2 of her Star Destroyer was turning to debris.

Ezra (or Gold Leader) said they only disabled the TIE Defender.  Pretty sure it will be back

Also, the TIE Defender had strong shield and hull as it could withstand the baby sun, whereas the Ghost was damaged by that manuever

[readster]

5 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

I want to know if that Governor survived the blaze.  It looked like 1/2 of her Star Destroyer was turning to debris.

Ezra (or Gold Leader) said they only disabled the TIE Defender.  Pretty sure it will be back

Also, the TIE Defender had strong shield and hull as it could withstand the baby sun, whereas the Ghost was damaged by that manuever

I'm sure the Governor survived, I would have been happy if that would have been her final scene because it would have been fitting with Mon Motha setting up her Alliance and the governor's beginning to fall apart. 

[call me ishmael]

I assume that the star destroyers merely were disabled and short-circuited.  They will either limp back home or Thrawn will show up in his own shuttle and tow them back to base because this was all part of his plan.

[readster]

13 minutes ago, call me ishmael said:

I assume that the star destroyers merely were disabled and short-circuited.  They will either limp back home or Thrawn will show up in his own shuttle and tow them back to base because this was all part of his plan.

I can see how Thrawn would have talked: "The new TIE Defender worked perfectly!" "Yes, they were able to get the better, but this proves my plan was great."

Crewman: "Admiral, the other Star Destroyers are lost causes." 

"Quiet!" "I'm immerse in my amazing plan." 

[Morrigan2575]

On 3/5/2017 at 0:02 AM, VCRTracking said:

Okay I kind of teared up a little at the end.

"This, my friends, this is our Rebellion."

Me too

[VCRTracking]

[call me ishmael]

4 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

 

Hmmm....I wonder who wins...

[johntfs]

Well, let that be a lesson to everyone.  Do not ever mess with Hera's droid.

[readster]

I've learned over the course of three seasons, don't mess with Hera in general. I was wondering when someone would catch on that Chopper had been an infiltrator many times. Yes, the Empire has been watching, they just didn't put 2 and 2 together. I don't know why, but LP's song at the end had me laughing. 

[Morrigan2575]

This was a bad episode. The droids are not interesting enough to carry and I found their bickering annoying  or entertaining.

I actually stopped half way through because it was just so dumb.  Hopefully next week's episode will be better.

[Terrafamilia]

Let me get this straight. They sent some sort of power surge radio broadcast back through Chopper to the Imperial AWACS cruiser that managed to blow the cruiser up, but didn't melt Chopper to slag! It must have fallen victim to one of those intentional design flaws that Thrawn was originally brought in to stop.

[ZoqFotPik]

I hate episodes where the plot hinges on characters acting stupid. I was hoping that Hera could tell something was wrong with Chop right away and swapped the real code disk for a fake one, nope. Yes, everyone go investigate the cargo bay! That's clearly a 4 person and 1 droid job! I don't even know what to say about the singing. Hopefully the remaining 3 episodes are better. One good thing, I did like the idea of a spy ship.

Edited March 12, 2017 by ZoqFotPik

[readster]

3 hours ago, ZoqFotPik said:

I hate episodes where the plot hinges on characters acting stupid. I was hoping that Hera could tell something was wrong with Chop right away and swapped the real code disk for a fake one, nope. Yes, everyone go investigate the cargo bay! That's clearly a 4 person and 1 droid job! I don't even know what to say about the singing. Hopefully the remaining 3 episodes are better. One good thing, I did like the idea of a spy ship.

I think it was nice that it expanded on the data implants and here was an entire crew set up to not only be data retrievers, but spies too. 

[ganesh]

The shows have always done droid-centered episodes, and I just don't like them. What I did actually like about this episode was that droids can be hacked. It's interesting that they established that. It goes both ways. Actually, one would think cyber warfare would be something the rebellion would want to do.

[DarkRaichu]

13 hours ago, ganesh said:

The shows have always done droid-centered episodes, and I just don't like them. What I did actually like about this episode was that droids can be hacked. It's interesting that they established that. It goes both ways. Actually, one would think cyber warfare would be something the rebellion would want to do.

But the rebels would need to invest in 1 of those long range communication ships with many many large satellite dishes

23 hours ago, Terrafamilia said:

Let me get this straight. They sent some sort of power surge radio broadcast back through Chopper to the Imperial AWACS cruiser that managed to blow the cruiser up, but didn't melt Chopper to slag! It must have fallen victim to one of those intentional design flaws that Thrawn was originally brought in to stop.

I think the idea was the cruiser amplified whatever wave sent to them many times over thanks to those satellite dishes.  Don't ask how the whole communication thing could be done in real time over great distance and speed (ie. Ghost was in hyperdrive mode throughout most of it). :P

I like how at then end AP-5 found peace and quiet only to be scooped up by the Ghost

[ganesh]

46 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

But the rebels would need to invest in 1 of those long range communication ships with many many large satellite dishes

Leia's been stealing ships left and right. 

[VCRTracking]

The one thing I took away from this episode: Bathrooms exist in the Star Wars universe! And they're called "refreshers"!

[VCRTracking]

Darth Vader Almost Killed Darth Maul Last Season on Star Wars Rebels

[DarkRaichu]

On 3/10/2017 at 7:09 PM, call me ishmael said:

Hmmm....I wonder who wins...

Sure, but I hope Maul kicks him hard enough on the head to explain why he forgets R2 in New Hope :D :D :D

[johntfs]

7 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

Sure, but I hope Maul kicks him hard enough on the head to explain why he forgets R2 in New Hope :D :D :D

Who says he forgets R2D2?  Maybe he just doesn't bring up the subject of the prequels which hadn't been written in 1976 or so.

Edited March 18, 2017 by johntfs

[VCRTracking]

Having just seen a clip of the fight leaked a day early(I couldn't help myself) it doesn't contradict the Obi-Wan we see in ANH. "Old Ben" isn't doing acrobatic leaps or moves like Ewan McGregor. The Vader vs Obi-Wan duel was more Kendo style choreography than the other movies and Alec Guinness movements weren't as slow as people think. There's a a part where he parries three strikes from Vader in under two seconds.

Edited March 18, 2017 by VCRTracking

[DarkRaichu]

Hot damn.  I thought Mon Mothma episode was great, but this was even better.  Damn the contrast between the voice of CW era Obi Wan vs ANH Ben.  I thought that was Sir Alec Guiness talking to Ezra.  

And the fight scene. He was doing the old stance, then thought lets end this quick, then changed stance.  Then he owned Maul like the master he had become. Perfect.

Nice touch at the end with the melody we all love ;)

Edited March 19, 2017 by DarkRaichu

[madhacker]

48 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

And the fight scene. He was doing the old stance, then thought lets end this quick, then changed stance.  Then he owned Maul like the master he had become. Perfect.

totally agree. The only thing that would've made the ending absolute perfection is Obi Wan actually seeing a tween Luke that looks remarkably like his Anakin .

Edited March 19, 2017 by madhacker

[johntfs]

The first stance was Kenobi believing that Maul wanted to kill him, the second stance was Kenobi recognizing that ultimately Maul wanted to die and end his own suffering and futile quest for revenge.

[Morrigan2575]

6 minutes ago, johntfs said:

The first stance was Kenobi believing that Maul wanted to kill him, the second stance was Kenobi recognizing that ultimately Maul wanted to die and end his own suffering and futile quest for revenge.

Thank you for that explanation, I didn't get it at first, especially with the ending conversation. I kept thinking the fight was over too quickly and that Maul went out like a punk but. This makes total sense.

[ybrik]

Yeah I wasn't sure what to make of the fight at first. However, I see where Maul wanted death by Kenobi once he learned why Obi-Wan was there. That was why he asked if the person Obi-Wan was guarding was the chosen one because he knew that he could die in peace knowing that the Emperor would be defeated. Deep down I think we have seen that Maul's real need for revenge was on the Emperor and not Obi-Wan.

[DarkRaichu]

59 minutes ago, johntfs said:

The first stance was Kenobi believing that Maul wanted to kill him, the second stance was Kenobi recognizing that ultimately Maul wanted to die and end his own suffering and futile quest for revenge.

Hmm, I thought because they had battled so many times in CW (and since Ben had so much time to meditate / think)  Obi Wan figured out the weakness of Maul.  The second stance drew Maul forward and limited his attack options (and Maul obviously was the attacking kind), thus exposing the hilt of his saber (weak) for final slash.

But your interpretation works too since at this point Obi Wan was wiser and more in tune with the Force, thus would be easy for him to recognize Maul's true intention 

[VCRTracking]

I liked the fight. It was true to traditional Samurai movies where a fight involving a true master lasts very quickly. Barely more than a second I don't think Maul wanted to die. He wanted to kill Obi-Wan. It wasn't until he was close to finding about Luke that Obi-Wan realized he needed to end this once and for all. I didn't know until watching the Stupendous Wave video that Maul attempted to do the same move he did which killed Qui-Gon(hit him in the face with his hilt) and the "Rebels Recon" confirmed it.

I love even though how quick it is you can do all sorts of analysis like this Tumblr post:

Edited March 19, 2017 by VCRTracking

[ZoqFotPik]

So the fight lasted about as long as I expected it to. Based on how much time was left in the episode, I thought for a moment they weren't even going to show it, considering it was forgone conclusion that Kenobi wins.

One other thing, where the hell did Ezra get that ship? Was it Maul's? I wonder if he'll keep it.

[Meushell]

The shortest saber fight, and probably already one of my favorite ones. It's kind of funny. My dad recently asked me, "Which is your favorite, most realistic lightsaber fight?" I laughed because that was like two completely different questions. Here is it though. I think this was the most realistic one in all of Star Wars, and it was done well.

Obi-Wan! I like how he was all, "Hi Ezra. Nice meeting you. Now go home." I do wish he had thrown in a "Tell Rex I said hi" though. Surely he knows Rex can keep a secret.

As for Maul, I don't think he wanted to necessarily die, but for it to end one way or another. I do like that he took comfort from Obi-Wan in the end.

Chopper shutting down was sad. Ezra hugging him was sad too. Then I thought about how Chopper is made of metal and under two suns, so I started laughing. Youch! I kind of wish they had had Ezra react to hugging hot metal.

"Chopper? Chopper! This is all my f- Ow!"

[DarkRaichu]

36 minutes ago, ZoqFotPik said:

One other thing, where the hell did Ezra get that ship? Was it Maul's? I wonder if he'll keep it.

It was Maul's, per Zeb's "Tell me that it means what I wanted to mean" to which Ezra said they won't see Maul again.  Also in earlier episode, we saw Maul left the asteroid in that ship.

2 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

I love even though how quick it is you can do all sorts of analysis like this Tumblr post:

Oh the Forms. I used to remember what each does thanks to playing Knights of the Old Republic 2 :D

[readster]

Very happy with this episode, even with the Sand People. Ezra got taken by surprised and why he didn't use his lightsabre. However, so many great moments. Chopper running out of power and Ezra hugging him. His moment with Kenobi and that final bit after Maul was defeated and how Obi-wan closed his eyes and that look. Wow! It might be 3D animation, that scene hit you in the feels when Maul said: "Then he will avenge us both..."

[VCRTracking]

I'm also glad now that when someone who's only seen the movies says that "Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul" I don't have the urge to go "Well, actually..."

From io9, Dave Filoni talks about the episode:

The Producer of Star Wars Rebels on Tonight's Incredible Episode

Edited March 19, 2017 by VCRTracking