S14.E20: Reunion, Part 3

[Rorysmom]

I know some don't believe it was real, but...

If I were held up at gunpoint with my children in the house and you suggest that it was a set up that me or my husband were in on, I would never forgive you. Matter of fact, I would hate you forever. I don't care if you were just sharing how you feel or if you were bringing up what others thought, too.

Even if you don't like me, you know me better than people speculating on social media. That is funky foul.

[Yours Truly]

2 minutes ago, Rorysmom said:

I know some don't believe it was real, but...

If I were held up at gunpoint with my children in the house and you suggest that it was a set up that me or my husband were in on, I would never forgive you. Matter of fact, I would hate you forever. I don't care if you were just sharing how you feel or if you were bringing up what others thought, too.

Even if you don't like me, you know me better than people speculating on social media. That is funky foul.

I'm with you on that one. They covered it already in a previous season and Garcelle made many quips about it, making little jokes and quips and really got her full of the subject. She also covered her position already and how she felt about it. How many more times does Garcelle need to refer to that topic. At this point it was in fact in bad taste because honestly, with something like that, unless I have absolute proof that it was a set up Imma let it go. Especially since she already shared and commented her feelings on the matter. She was able to state her opinion, explain her reasoning and let it be known. Why the need to beat the dead horse and then get mad that she get's shit for it. Garcelle is the reason why the topic came up again so she has only herself to blame for the renewed distaste she's gotten about it. 

[albarino]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

Why the need to beat the dead horse and then get mad that she get's shit for it.

Wait, what?!?  Oh, it is because it is Garcelle....

Isn't this what the show has become?  Nobody got mad at Erika for accepting Sutton's apologies and then being re-offended ad nauseam.  Nobody seems to be mad that Dorit's favorite insult is the c-word.  Nobody blinks an eye with Dorit not greeting her guest and making her wait downstairs for an hour.  Nobody was really terribly angry Kyle and PK exchange texts and Kyle remains his confidant.  Nope.

The biggest clutch pearls moment of the season was Sutton stating her wallet was bigger than Dorit's after being provoked.  I don't get it.  This is a FACT.  Sutton's wallet is much bigger than Dorit's.  It may be hard for Dorit to hear but it is true.

In other news, the sun rises in the east..... 

[bravofan27]

In the very beginning of the reunion, as they are all coming in, Garcelle whispers, "Kyle is not looking at me at all. She is pissed." 

Does this surprise her after she spent the whole season bashing her to Sutton and in her interviews?

However, Garcelle was smiling and laughing and listening to the others. Garcelle says her intention for the day was, "We can talk things through, work things out, and actually get a cast photo this year." (Last year Sutton left for the hospital).

Garcelle later rolled her eyes and frowned when Andy said, "Boz is looking to get pregnant again." And she sat stank eyed the entire time Boz was talking.

Garcelle did laugh and looked delighted at Kyle's comment that "Boz was an embryo up Dorit's ass." I get that Garcelle didn't like the cross-talk at Ocean Side, but why talk to Kyle about it? In any case, in the first episode of the reunion, Boz really schooled Garcelle, who had nothing to really say.

 

 

[Surrealist]

31 minutes ago, albarino said:

The biggest clutch pearls moment of the season was Sutton stating her wallet was bigger than Dorit's after being provoked.  I don't get it.  This is a FACT.  Sutton's wallet is much bigger than Dorit's.  It may be hard for Dorit to hear but it is true.

I'll bet the fanbase never lets this go either.  They're so ridiculous.

[Dr Mama]

10 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

As for her reunion walk-off, my understanding is the housewives don't view the episodes until shortly before the reunion - perhaps the day before in a controlled environment? - and perhaps Garcelle was freshly pissed off, maybe at Sutton's apparent abandonment of their own alliance. Or, she planned the whole thing to generate media attention, which she has gotten.

I believe the reunion is filmed at some point while the current season is actually still airing--so the HW could definitely have seen some of the episodes prior to filming the reunion--and maybe they get to see the unaired episodes prior to filming the reunion?

So, the current season reunion was filmed Friday, February 28--so three days after the episode "Caviar Catastrophe" aired.

To me, it's SUPER interesting to see that the "Caviar Catastrophe" episode aired the week they filmed the reunion. Even if the women had been able to see the rest of the episodes, the FANDOM response (and the WWHL) would have been out that week. I would guess that response would make Dorit (and Erica and Boz) feel super entitled to continue to attack Sutton, and might explain why Sutton felt especially beat up coming into the reunion.

https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-season-14-reunion-looks-fashion

[bravofan27]

1 hour ago, Dr Mama said:

I believe the reunion is filmed at some point while the current season is actually still airing--so the HW could definitely have seen some of the episodes prior to filming the reunion--and maybe they get to see the unaired episodes prior to filming the reunion?

So, the current season reunion was filmed Friday, February 28--so three days after the episode "Caviar Catastrophe" aired.

To me, it's SUPER interesting to see that the "Caviar Catastrophe" episode aired the week they filmed the reunion. Even if the women had been able to see the rest of the episodes, the FANDOM response (and the WWHL) would have been out that week. I would guess that response would make Dorit (and Erica and Boz) feel super entitled to continue to attack Sutton, and might explain why Sutton felt especially beat up coming into the reunion.

https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-season-14-reunion-looks-fashion

I heard somewhere that they get the episodes a week before they air. Not sure if that is true or not. I would assume that they all interested in how much camera time they get and how they look when they are aired.

Hence the major plastic surgery. I got plastic surgery from remote work and having to look at myself on Zoom calls all the time. My face just looked weird and I didn't like it. It's natural to want to look good on camera, IMO. If I'm feeling this way from a Zoom call for work, imagine what it's like seeing yourself on the big screen in high definition. 

I deterred the convo. 

 

[Cosmocrush]

4 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm with you on that one. They covered it already in a previous season and Garcelle made many quips about it, making little jokes and quips and really got her full of the subject. She also covered her position already and how she felt about it. How many more times does Garcelle need to refer to that topic. At this point it was in fact in bad taste because honestly, with something like that, unless I have absolute proof that it was a set up Imma let it go. Especially since she already shared and commented her feelings on the matter. She was able to state her opinion, explain her reasoning and let it be known. Why the need to beat the dead horse and then get mad that she get's shit for it. Garcelle is the reason why the topic came up again so she has only herself to blame for the renewed distaste she's gotten about it. 

I forgot this started last season.  These HW like to carry over their beefs to the next season, just like Dorito talking about Sutton's drinking.  No wiping the slate clean with this crowd!  I mean, I am world class grudge holder, but I'm not trying to be part of a reality show. 

I do not equate calling someone a c*** with questioning the validity of an armed home invasion with small children at home.   I don't know if it was genuine or not, that's for the police to investigate, Dorito's initial reaction seemed real to me but I really have no way of knowing for sure and neither does anyone else. 

 

 

[Sweet-tea]

On 4/15/2025 at 9:15 PM, Pi237 said:

I get why she left. Her face after Sutton saying her surprise was how much fun her and Ericka had together (what!?!? Didn’t she say you kick women when they’re down? That you act like a friend but behave like an enemy!?). I could see Garcelle was just Done.  

I was surprised Sutton said that and disappointed how she acted when Garcelle left. Once again, she was trying to ingratiate herself with the mean girls. It won’t work Sutton. They don’t like you. The harder you try to get them to like you, the more the worse they will treat you. 

On 4/15/2025 at 9:59 PM, angelamh66 said:

Ah Kyle… such a girls girl when you call women snakes and blame them for your husband’s infidelity. She is such a hypocrite.

Good for Garcelle. She’s right… they are all assholes. You could see her realize in real time that she doesn’t need this sh&t. 

I understand why she quit. Clearly it wasn’t just about other projects. 

On 4/15/2025 at 11:33 PM, dmeets said:

That five minutes of stammering from Kyle answered nothing. She wasn’t coming out as anything, but her girls were very supportive. Of tabloids questioning her sexuality? Okay then. Back to not talking about it next season.

She’s so irritating. I also don’t believe she’s not sad about Mauricio. I wish she and Erika would leave. They can take Dorit with them. 

[nexxie]

Wonder if Garcelle was so ticked off at Sutton because she knew this was her last season - and last chance to get back at Kyle for calling Garcelle out on the missing charity check during her first season. 

[Surrealist]

I meant to bring this up in an earlier post and forgot. 

Last night I came across some fan gossip where it was stated that Garcelle had asked the other HWs off-camera not to discuss her sons (in particular, Oliver because of his struggles). It seems that her castmates respected her wish, and I'm glad they did. 

If this story is true, then it adds another interesting layer to the whole Kyle asking her castmates (off-camera) to not mention Morgan's name this season because Morgan didn't want the extra attention. Clearly her castmates discussed Morgan on camera. 

So, I find this angle interesting, but again, grain of salt because it's gossip (even though we gossip about the show here).

Edited April 18 by Surrealist

[Chalby]

12 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She has repeatability and its being ignored .. she has stated the issues and everyone keeps pretending like she hasnt

this season she has SAID Sutton talks and bitches to her but doesn't bring it to the group

Exactly! I have a feeling Garcelle thought the others would be more forthcoming this reunion. But then halfway into it she realized, forget it. For years Garcelle has held her tongue watching the others and waiting for them to come clean about what is being said behind the scenes.

When the subject of Dorit's burglary came up, Garcelle owned her feelings. But she was not the only one to think this at the time of the burglary. I remember the ladies alluding to how similar (and soon after) it was to what happened to Kyle. And even then, there was the feeling of doubt in the air. Especially when Dorit said the phone was left by the burglars, I still remember all the ladies looking at each other, like wtf? Yet Garcelle is in the wrong for voicing this?

I also believe that Garcelle thought Kyle would be forthcoming about Morgan. You could see the disdain on her face when Kyle still evaded answering whether she's getting a divorce from Mo, or if she's having an affair with Morgan.

I would be walking off the set too if I was listening to these ladies speak  their truth every day, but then as soon as a camera comes on, they're silent.

When Garcelle took ownership of what she said regarding Dorit's break-in, I couldn't believe how they turned on her. And Boz...? Why is she coming down on Garcelle when she wasn't even around to hear what had been said? And she actually chastised Garcelle!

I can't help but think of all the times Dorit has said something to Garcelle, with micro aggressive racial undertones. I also believe there was a time when Garcelle simply said 'I'm not here to teach you how not to be racist'. Yet now Dorit's bestie is the other black woman?

I have had friends similar where we will talk and bitch about someone, but then I think 'I'm going to be straightforward and honest with this person instead of talking behind their back' so I will bring it to our friend and the minute I do my other friends clam up and I'm left holding the bag 

Garcelle has been holding the bag for years and I don't blame her for walking off.

[Chalby]

Garcelle wasn't the only one to think this, but she was the only one to come clean about her feelings.

And you can't continue to give someone shit for how they felt years ago...

Dorit can't help that her robbery occurred on the tail of Kyle's. And she lost similar items to Kyle. All the women were on board with empathy for Dorit, until she shared some of the things the burglars said to her (as well as them leaving the phones behind for her.) and then PK saying on screen that she should be over this by now... Or he doesn't believe she does have PTSD.  Makes people doubt what happened.

But Garcelle is the one to get in trouble? Give me a break.

Edited April 20 by Chalby

[Sweet-tea]

On 4/15/2025 at 9:13 PM, Pi237 said:

I only saw the end, and saying ‘Kyle opens up about her marriage’ is a massive overstatement. She, yet again, word salad’d all around any actual declarations. Even Andy was trying to get her there with his, ‘that’s what my Dad said when I came out to him” and she immediately said I didn’t come out!

In her roundabout, irritating way she acknowledged her relationship with Morgan wasn't just friends as she spoke to the feelings she had for a woman. We all know she was talking about Morgan. I don't know how she's going to get around avoiding this next season.

However, I am not planning to watch next season anyway with Garcelle gone. I don't want to see another pileup on Sutton or worse, her joining the mean girls because she is so desperate to be liked by them. 

On 4/15/2025 at 11:46 PM, nexxie said:

Creepy how everyone said Sutton was horrible for the wallet comment - and Boz said Garcelle was multiple horribles for doubts about the robbery - but not one single reprimand about Dorit using the c-word. Really?!

Yep they made a bigger deal about the wallet comment than Dorit's overall nasty behavior all season, which was much worse. I guess for these super materialistic women, someone saying they have more money than them is the ultimate insult. 

Boz's grandstanding about how "horrible, horrible, horrible" Garcelle's comment was about Dorit's robbery ticked me off. She should go back and watch Dorit's behavior for the season.

And Boz did seem angry at Sutton during that event, and there is nothing wrong with Sutton referencing that. All of these women get angry. 

I don't blame Garcelle for walking off. She sat there for hours with these women and was the outsider. Sutton didn't even back her up or come after her. She knew she was done with this show, so no need to take a cast photo. We don't know what was said during the breaks and in the footage that wasn't shown. Sounds like the MGs iced her out. 

Edited April 18 by Sweet-tea

[Sweet-tea]

On 4/16/2025 at 10:23 AM, Surrealist said:

I mean, even Boz acknowledged that Dorit made a threat toward Sutton. Kind of boggles the mind she still wants to defend Dorit.

Because Boz wants to be part of the group she sees as the power group.

On 4/16/2025 at 11:38 AM, NessMess said:

Calling out Garcelle for being "unprofessional" from walking away from cast photo.  Which earned her two middle fingers in my house.

Yep. Go back and watch your C-word rant Dorit and tell me how professional that was. 

On 4/16/2025 at 11:49 AM, Cosmocrush said:

Andy also asked Erika something I wanted to know: "Why haven't you divorced Tom?" She didn't have much of an answer, except her divorce attorney reminded her she should get going on that.  I'm thinking the attorney is wondering when she is going to pay her legal bills. 

When she said she's not going to see Tom until he's actually dead, he's got dementia, there's no point I wasn't surprised by that sociopath's remark (Tom can't do anything for me, so why should I go?) but it made me sad that everyone else just went along with it.   I'll give the group some grace because this stage wasn't the venue for this discussion but I have a loved one with dementia and believe me there is a point to spend time with them.

She's a cold hearted person. My dear father had dementia. I took care of him for six years until he died. Was it easy? No. But I wouldn't change it for anything. I got to see him during his good times, so it is ok that there were also a lot of bad times. 

Erika only thinks of herself. I can't imagine being married to someone like her. I'm a little surprised her son is talking to her now since she basically abandoned him in her quest fro fame and fortune. 

I wish Andy would've referenced that Erika still isn't in the clear. Do these women all really believe Erika didn't know where all the money was coming from or at least suspect something was off? 

Edited April 18 by Sweet-tea

[Sweet-tea]

On 4/16/2025 at 12:50 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Kathy claims that Big Kathy was very cuddly.

I laughed! These women are still deep in their dysfuction. Sounds like they've rewritten history about their mother. 

[pasdetrois]

In earlier seasons, Erika's son was living with Erika and Tom, or had lived with them previously.  Erika mentioned it briefly. Didn't she call on her son to help when Tom was falling off mountains and such?

If they have been estranged, it would be more recently. Perhaps due to the legal machinations and the show? If the son is still in law enforcement, that will have drawn some ridicule.

[Yours Truly]

7 hours ago, Chalby said:

Exactly! I have a feeling Garcelle thought the others would be more forthcoming this reunion. But then halfway into it she realized, forget it. For years Garcelle has held her tongue watching the others and waiting for them to come clean about what is being said behind the scenes.

When the subject of Dorit's burglary came up, Garcelle owned her feelings. But she was not the only one to think this at the time of the burglary. I remember the ladies alluding to how similar (and soon after) it was to what happened to Kyle. And even then, there was the feeling of doubt in the air. Especially when Dorit said the phone was left by the burglars, I still remember all the ladies looking at each other, like wtf? Yet Garcelle is in the wrong for voicing this?

I also believe that Garcelle thought Kyle would be forthcoming about Morgan. You could see the disdain on her face when Kyle still evaded answering whether she's getting a divorce from Mo, or if she's having an affair with Morgan.

I would be walking off the set too if I was listening to these ladies speak  their truth every day, but then as soon as a camera comes on, they're silent.

When Garcelle took ownership of what she said regarding Dorit's break-in, I couldn't believe how they turned on her. And Boz...? Why is she coming down on Garcelle when she wasn't even around to hear what had been said? And she actually chastised Garcelle!

I can't help but think of all the times Dorit has said something to Garcelle, with micro aggressive racial undertones. I also believe there was a time when Garcelle simply said 'I'm not here to teach you how not to be racist'. Yet now Dorit's bestie is the other black woman?

I have had friends similar where we will talk and bitch about someone, but then I think 'I'm going to be straightforward and honest with this person instead of talking behind their back' so I will bring it to our friend and the minute I do my other friends clam up and I'm left holding the bag 

Garcelle has been holding the bag for years and I don't blame her for walking off.

The reason why Garcelle had to own her feelings yet again was because she referenced it again this season. The other women don't need to jump in front of that firing squad AGAIN just because Garcelle has decided to make it a talking point again. I'd be mad too if I was expected to revisit that topic. Garcelle not being the only one to feel that way about it wasn't the point and personally I find it corny that that was her go to. Ain't nobody talking about anyone else girl. We are talking about YOU and how YOU continue to speak on it even now. Garcelle is a bit of a wack debater because she constantly tries to drag how others reacted or responded when SHE is being called out. Girl, defend YOUR position, say what you want and leave everyone else out of it. 

[Keywestclubkid]

11 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

The reason why Garcelle had to own her feelings yet again was because she referenced it again this season. The other women don't need to jump in front of that firing squad AGAIN just because Garcelle has decided to make it a talking point again. I'd be mad too if I was expected to revisit that topic. Garcelle not being the only one to feel that way about it wasn't the point and personally I find it corny that that was her go to. Ain't nobody talking about anyone else girl. We are talking about YOU and how YOU continue to speak on it even now. Garcelle is a bit of a wack debater because she constantly tries to drag how others reacted or responded when SHE is being called out. Girl, defend YOUR position, say what you want and leave everyone else out of it. 

Laughs in Erika .. she brought up stuff THIS season that had nothing to with anything and  that was settled and the other ladies rallied around it .. they had no problems backing Erika up 

Again i hate to point this out but there seems to be a double standard here between what they can do and who backs that up  and what others can

Edited April 18 by Keywestclubkid

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Laughs in Erika .. she brought up stuff THIS season that had nothing to with anything and  that was settled and the other ladies rallied around it .. they had no problems backing Erika up 

Again i hate to point this out but there seems to be a double standard here between what they can do and who backs that up  and what others can

Pointing out double standards on this franchise is like pointing out that water is wet. 

Whataboutism isn't my favorite way to debate so there is that. 

[Keywestclubkid]

11 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Pointing out double standards on this franchise is like pointing out that water is wet. 

Whataboutism isn't my favorite way to debate so there is that. 

But you said she was the only one to bring up old shit and she wasn’t .. 

 

when she brings it up excuses are made for the ladies and it’s “OLD” 

when one of them bring up old shit it’s fine and they rally .. 

Edited April 18 by Keywestclubkid

[Surrealist]

This episode made me realize that the "Rinna is coaching castmates in the background" is probably pretty accurate. 

Dorit's comment about Sutton buying her friends sounds as if it came from Rinna. That whole plot point about Sutton buying the table at Elton John's charity event when Rinna was still on the show.

Edited April 18 by Surrealist

[Shannah Banana]

9 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

This episode made me realize that the "Rinna is coaching castmates in the background" is probably pretty accurate. 

Dorit's comment about Sutton buying her friends sounds as if it came from Rinna. That whole plot point about Sutton buying the table at Elton John's charity event when Rinna was still on the show.

Sounds totally plausible to me.  I'm pretty sure Rinna will hold a grudge forever and a day.  She's still burning from getting fired, even though she says she quit.  Sure Jan.  I saw LVP talking with Andy (maybe WWHL, can't remember) and she said she KNEW Rinna was fired and was laughing it up.  Andy sat there, tight lipped, and giving nothing away, but he didn't deny it either.  I never believed Rinna quit.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

But you said she was the only one to bring up old shit and she wasn’t .. 

 

when she brings it up excuses are made for the ladies and it’s “OLD” 

when one of them bring up old shit it’s fine and they rally .. 

No I was referring to your examples. 

We all know WHY Garcelle has reason to think her castmates are assholes but I'm sticking with how things played out at the reunion and how Garcelle handled herself. Listing a bunch of criticisms and slights from the cast over the span of the show as a defense of her inability to use the reunion to actually speak up about why she's "pissed" doesn't cut it. 

[Mar]

[Dr Mama]

2 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Dorit's comment about Sutton buying her friends sounds as if it came from Rinna. That whole plot point about Sutton buying the table at Elton John's charity event when Rinna was still on the show.

OMG! I had totally forgotten about that drama!

I didn't understand at all Dorit's comment about "buying friends", but it makes complete sense that she is referring to that whole charity event  drama.

[Surrealist]

13 minutes ago, Dr Mama said:

OMG! I had totally forgotten about that drama!

I didn't understand at all Dorit's comment about "buying friends", but it makes complete sense that she is referring to that whole charity event  drama.

Yep. I've noticed with certain HWs that they make remarks that sound more like things Rinna would say.

Then I was reminded of the whole Sutton/Rinna Elton John charity event debacle over a purchased table.

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 4/16/2025 at 9:49 AM, Cosmocrush said:

Andy also asked Erika something I wanted to know: "Why haven't you divorced Tom?" She didn't have much of an answer, except her divorce attorney reminded her she should get going on that.  I'm thinking the attorney is wondering when she is going to pay her legal bills. 

When she said she's not going to see Tom until he's actually dead, he's got dementia, there's no point I wasn't surprised by that sociopath's remark (Tom can't do anything for me, so why should I go?) but it made me sad that everyone else just went along with it.   I'll give the group some grace because this stage wasn't the venue for this discussion but I have a loved one with dementia and believe me there is a point to spend time with them.

I believe Erika doesn't want to divorce Tom because he has money stashed and if she is still married to him, she may be entitled to it, or part of it.  

Some of these ladies are so cold and unfeeling...Erika waiting until Tom passes to "visit" him, Dorit ignoring Teddi's dire condition, Kyle is fine with talking about Mauricio's photo, but not her own stuff...  Yet the FFF continue to try to gaslight us into thinking that they are the victims and Garcelle and Sutton are the "mean girls."  It's mind boggling.

[Surrealist]

28 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

Some of these ladies are so cold and unfeeling...Erika waiting until Tom passes to "visit" him, Dorit ignoring Teddi's dire condition, Kyle is fine with talking about Mauricio's photo, but not her own stuff...  Yet the FFF continue to try to gaslight us into thinking that they are the victims and Garcelle and Sutton are the "mean girls."  It's mind boggling.

And a large segment of the fanbase seems happy to let the FFF's bullshit slide right on by in favor of criticizing Sutton and Garcelle instead.

FWIW, there are plenty of asshole fans coming out of the woodwork to bag on how Garcelle choose to leave and talking about how glad they are that she finally left. These fans suck ass too, btw.

[Yours Truly]

27 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

And a large segment of the fanbase seems happy to let the FFF's bullshit slide right on by in favor of criticizing Sutton and Garcelle instead.

FWIW, there are plenty of asshole fans coming out of the woodwork to bag on how Garcelle choose to leave and talking about how glad they are that she finally left. These fans suck ass too, btw.

I think Garcelle had good reason to feel the way she feels about the cast but I do think that it was pretty corny to leave extra pressed without actually speaking COMPLETELY about it. I mean, I didn't want Garcelle to get into any nasty ugly back and forth fights but at the end there she seemed HELLA pressed and I think it was a bit of a cop out to show us that she's big mad only to scurry off, mumbling under her breath about people being assholes. And you just know that there will be more to come by way of social media. It's already started. It'll be subtle and very Garcelle-like but it's gonna hit a few points and make a few waves and she'll be able to tell us how she REALLY feels through the comfortable canopy of not having to face the cast next season. I don't anticipate full force meanness but I'm sure she'll get her point across because she's free of having to be held to fire once they start filming again. That's what I'm really disappointed about. Little by little she'll elaborate and it will all be taken in stride and the shade will be provided by hosts during this interview and that pod cast while Garcelle gives a knowing giggle and look confirming whatever shade but I would have loved to just see her take care of business WHILE she was on the show. 

I was a bit of a Garcelle fan and I didn't dislike her like I do the rest so it's not that I have anything against Garcelle in general I just wasn't a fan of the turn tail and run exit. There were so many better ways for her to leave with a much better fuck you than she delivered. 

What I'm anticipating is that she was too above getting into in on the show but now during the aftermath I'm guessing she'll be a little more saucy and that's kinda wack. But I could be wrong. Who knows. 

Edited April 18 by Yours Truly

[princelina]

On 4/16/2025 at 10:29 PM, Surrealist said:

I also agree with you that Dorit doesn't mind being the asshole because it gives her all the camera time. That's really the point of this show anymore.

I think Dorit overestimated how much people would enjoy her "rebellious" side 😄

On 4/17/2025 at 1:15 AM, ivygirl said:

Such a great point. I had a friend who would bring my venting about a person TO THAT PERSON. Then she would come back and say “oh, I talked to so and so about what you said, and THEY said…

Was your friend Bronwyn from SLC?  😂

20 hours ago, Dr Mama said:

I believe the reunion is filmed at some point while the current season is actually still airing--so the HW could definitely have seen some of the episodes prior to filming the reunion--and maybe they get to see the unaired episodes prior to filming the reunion?

Based on what has been said on VPR they do get access to all of the episodes and are supposed to watch them before the reunion.  (Scheana only watches scenes she is in.  Kristen thinks that is unprofessional and wrong. 😂)

17 hours ago, nexxie said:

Wonder if Garcelle was so ticked off at Sutton because she knew this was her last season - and last chance to get back at Kyle for calling Garcelle out on the missing charity check during her first season. 

That would be the season where Garcelle invited them all to a gala event to see her get some award, and then told the entire assembled crowd that she liked all of her new costars except one, and everyone knew she meant Kyle.  She started it 😄

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

I believe Erika doesn't want to divorce Tom because he has money stashed and if she is still married to him, she may be entitled to it, or part of it.  

Oh, I didn't think of this angle!  Good theory.  Hmmmmmm.

[ivygirl]

28 minutes ago, princelina said:

Was your friend Bronwyn from SLC?  😂

 

LOL no, but Kyle reminds me of her! 🤣

[Cosmocrush]

41 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I was a bit of a Garcelle fan and I didn't dislike her like I do the rest so it's not that I have anything against Garcelle in general I just wasn't a fan of the turn tail and run exit. There were so many better ways for her to leave with a much better fuck you than she delivered. 

Maybe (probably) Garcelle had already decided this was her last season, time to move on, especially with this being her last year her boys are home.  Garcelle just doesn't seem to me like the type to make snap decisions about her career.  

But it was clear to me that whatever prompted Garcelle's  fuck off exit happened during this reunion, both the on and off camera parts.  She came into it fine and even told Andy she hoped they got a complete cast picture this year.   By the end, she decided to make the exit she did. 

[nexxie]

Great idea to get coached by Rinna, Dorit - now you’re as creepy and despicable as she is. Well done you!

9 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I laughed! These women are still deep in their dysfuction. Sounds like they've rewritten history about their mother. 

Somewhere I read about Kyle telling Paris that Big Kathy adored Paris, her first grandchild, and was much sweeter with her than with Kathy, Kim and herself.

[pasdetrois]

9 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

"Why haven't you divorced Tom?" She didn't have much of an answer, except her divorce attorney reminded her she should get going on that.

There is speculation that Erika is on Tom's health insurance plan. Simple as that. 

It's also possible that she has a marriage contract that specifies certain rewards for staying married. He would have put these conditions in place when he had his cognitive abilities.

I think that as a wife in CA she's afforded property and proceeds upon Tom's death. I think she's waiting him out. 

[Surrealist]

I saw some fans bringing up when Erika told Garcelle that Sutton was a liability, and as if that comment is a vindication of Erika in some way. 

They don't get she was trying to get them all in the same alliance against Sutton, and anyone who questioned any of them. Erika was calculated in why she said that to Garcelle.

Look. I don't know why Garcelle choose to befriend (or ally herself to) Sutton, but she did, and it later imploded. 

The HWs franchise isn't a reality competition show like Survivor or ANTM, but it is a show about alliances. Clearly. I think, going forward, if everyone watches the show with that in mind, it becomes easier to tolerate. 😂

It is what it is.

 

[RealHousewife]

Just now, Surrealist said:

I saw some fans bringing up when Erika told Garcelle that Sutton was a liability, and as if that comment is a vindication of Erika in some way. 

They don't get she was trying to get them all in the same alliance against Sutton, and anyone who questioned any of them. Erika was calculated in why she said that to Garcelle.

Look. I don't know why Garcelle choose to befriend (or ally herself to) Sutton, but she did, and it later imploded. 

The HWs franchise isn't a reality competition show like Survivor or ANTM, but it is a show about alliances. Clearly. I think, going forward, if everyone watches the show with that in mind, it becomes easier to tolerate. 😂

It is what it is.

 

Fox Force 5 has never played nice with others-not Vanderpump, not Denise, not Garcelle, not Sutton.

They are like middle-age mean girls. You know how in school they pick on the socially inept no matter how nice they are, sometimes more if they're nice? There is also the concern about being too cool for schol-too pretty or popular, and jealousy is real. All the women I mentioned above were ostracized for different reasons. 

I think what they did see with Garcelle over Sutton is that Garcelle has more of a cool factor to her. She's confident, famous, dated Will Smith, etc. On the other hand they see Sutton as this awkward Southern lady who desperately wants their approval. (To be clear, I don't think Sutton is nearly as awkward as she's made out to be. I think she really does tend to be one of the better mannered women too.) I think they probably figured between the two, Garcelle had more of a chance of being part of their precious group, but not if her ally was Sutton. What Sutton does have easier than Garcelle is she doesn't have to worry about whether or not her race is an issue. 

[Dr Mama]

2 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

They are like middle-age mean girls. You know how in school they pick on the socially inept no matter how nice they are, sometimes more if they're nice? There is also the concern about being too cool for schol-too pretty or popular, and jealousy is real. All the women I mentioned above were ostracized for different reasons. 

I think what they did see with Garcelle over Sutton is that Garcelle has more of a cool factor to her. She's confident, famous, dated Will Smith, etc. On the other hand they see Sutton as this awkward Southern lady who desperately wants their approval. (To be clear, I don't think Sutton is nearly as awkward as she's made out to be. I think she really does tend to be one of the better mannered women too.)

I was thinking back to that first season, and I agree that Sutton had awkward moments from the start, but one of the things I most noticed was that she was a real-deal socialite. As in--on the board of the American Ballet Theatre (and she is still on that board) and regularly buying tables at Elton John's event. I remember thinking at the time that I wasn't aware of another HW on any of the shows that had that level of socialite cred--maybe Carole Radziwill? But I don't think Carole has as much wealth as Sutton. And maybe Diana Jenkins, but she came on the show later. To be clear, there have been a few richer HW, but I can't think of any who had that level of philanthropic work.

[bravofan27]

Let's all just be happy this season is over and hope that next season is more fun and less toxic. It's putting everyone on edge and not that entertaining. If us viewers on a here are disagreeing about the rightness/wrongness of actions it's a reflection of what is happening on the show. Taking sides.

It isn't fun to take sides. I hope the next batch of housewives come with a positive attitude and can be real friends to each other.

[Stats Queen]

On 4/16/2025 at 5:54 PM, dancingdreamer said:

I just remember  what Jennifer  said, just how much they film, and how little is shown of that. She said enough  for three shows. I'm thinking  Bravo left a lot of fun on the floor.

Bravo leaves all the fun on the floor. They are so obsessed with toxic drama. For example, Married to  Medicine was a good show with genuine relationships and some silly drama. Bravo managed to turn that into a toxic cesspool 

On 4/16/2025 at 6:00 PM, nexxie said:

In that scene you could tell that Kyle felt embarrassed and put on the spot. Garcelle may have meant well, but choosing to use the word lesbian went too far - which she could have guessed about Kyle. It’s also possible she used lesbian to get a headline - Garcelle can be pretty sly sometimes.

How is using the word lesbian too far after what Kyle and others did to Denise Richards?

[nexxie]

2 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

How is using the word lesbian too far after what Kyle and others did to Denise Richards?

Has nothing to do with Denise. At the time Kyle was obviously not even close to declaring herself a lesbian, but Garcelle seemed to be going for a headline (sort of like she did when walking off the set). Even if Kyle were a secret lesbian, it’s not cool to yank someone out of the closet - especially not in public or on tv.

[nicole21290]

22 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I meant to bring this up in an earlier post and forgot. 

Last night I came across some fan gossip where it was stated that Garcelle had asked the other HWs off-camera not to discuss her sons (in particular, Oliver because of his struggles). It seems that her castmates respected her wish, and I'm glad they did. 

If this story is true, then it adds another interesting layer to the whole Kyle asking her castmates (off-camera) to not mention Morgan's name this season because Morgan didn't want the extra attention. Clearly her castmates discussed Morgan on camera. 

So, I find this angle interesting, but again, grain of salt because it's gossip (even though we gossip about the show here).

Kyle explicitly said that this was the case on an After Show episode this season, that Garcelle had asked them all not to talk about certain things to do with Oliver. Which they respected. 

6 hours ago, nexxie said:

Great idea to get coached by Rinna, Dorit - now you’re as creepy and despicable as she is. Well done you!

Somewhere I read about Kyle telling Paris that Big Kathy adored Paris, her first grandchild, and was much sweeter with her than with Kathy, Kim and herself.

Kyle spoke about this to Paris on a podcast they did together in the past couple of years. 

[How would you describe her?] "She was a powerhouse, really strong, opinionated, outspoken, a little bit of a temper at times, but she was extremely passionate. You know, anything she felt she felt really deeply and obviously you being her first grandchild, she was just so in love with you. You were her whole world. She was a lot softer with you than she was with her own daughters, which I as an adult now I see that and I read about you know, 'Oh, once you have grandchildren, you're different.' I always hear that about people, and that was definitely Grandma. When it came to you, I used to think, 'Well, wow, she's so sweet and soft and snugly.' She was a lot tougher on us, for sure."

[RealHousewife]

Just now, Stats Queen said:

Bravo leaves all the fun on the floor. They are so obsessed with toxic drama. For example, Married to  Medicine was a good show with genuine relationships and some silly drama. Bravo managed to turn that into a toxic cesspool 

How is using the word lesbian too far after what Kyle and others did to Denise Richards?

I've thought about watching Married to Medicine. It's similar to Housewives, right?

Exactly!

Just now, nexxie said:

Has nothing to do with Denise. At the time Kyle was obviously not even close to declaring herself a lesbian, but Garcelle seemed to be going for a headline (sort of like she did when walking off the set). Even if Kyle were a secret lesbian, it’s not cool to yank someone out of the closet - especially not in public or on tv.

It's not cool to yank someone out of the closet, and it's also not cool to push someone to be "open and honest" about her literal sex life and to make her alleged cheating the storyline of the season. 

I don't think you need to be remotely close to declaring yourself a lesbian to get what Kyle & co did to Denise was cruel. The only thing I wondered at the time is if the scandal was extra scandalous to the women due to homophobia. 

Garcelle didn't hear gossip on the streets or from another Housewife then try to make it a storyline. Stuff like Mauricio being seen with another woman-is it supposed to be scandalous, or did Kyle move on long ago with you know who? I don't see that the same as trying to out someone. 

Kyle has a pattern of this. She implied Mauricio cheated too, but then that's suddenly a no-no topic and she has no idea why anyone would think that. 

Kyle spoke about talking to her kids about questioning her sexuality, but then she seems surprised by Andy comparing his story of coming out to hers. Come on Kyle, it's not like it's apples and oranges even if the situations were not identical. 

I get Kyle not wanting to speak badly about the father of her kids. I get Kyle wanting to protect Morgan. I also get Kyle genuinely not knowing if she is a lesbian. My impression is that Kyle is attracted to and has feelings for Morgan, but maybe they still haven't been physical, so she isn't sure if she is a lesbian. I've known people in LGTBT who say they've always known, but Kyle says this is all new to her. 

The issue is Kyle basically flirts these storylines but then steps back, rinse and repeat, and yes she has a pattern of double standards. 

Edited April 19 by RealHousewife

[nexxie]

As I said at the time, the women - especially Rinna - were awful to Denise a few seasons ago. That has nothing to do with things that happened this season. I just call each interaction as I see them - Garcelle is not always innocent and Kyle is not always guilty.

[Surrealist]

23 minutes ago, nexxie said:

As I said at the time, the women - especially Rinna - were awful to Denise a few seasons ago. 

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, nexxie said:

As I said at the time, the women - especially Rinna - were awful to Denise a few seasons ago. That has nothing to do with things that happened this season. I just call each interaction as I see them - Garcelle is not always innocent and Kyle is not always guilty.

My take

 

In a fake tv show were characters are written this would make sense .. 

but these are real people no matter how “scripted” sometimes it feels .. you’re mind isn’t wiped and everything horrible you did just forgot to never be spoke of again .. that’s NOT real life .. 

These woman carry this with them season to season .. the hurtful things follow them .. 

Like Dorit and her alcohol jabs that she continued from last season .. she knew what she was doing 

Just cause it was last season doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and didn’t and still does effect them 

It just shows a pattern 

[princelina]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

My take

 

In a fake tv show were characters are written this would make sense .. 

but these are real people no matter how “scripted” sometimes it feels .. you’re mind isn’t wiped and everything horrible you did just forgot to never be spoke of again .. that’s NOT real life .. 

These woman carry this with them season to season .. the hurtful things follow them .. 

Like Dorit and her alcohol jabs that she continued from last season .. she knew what she was doing 

Just cause it was last season doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and didn’t and still does effect them 

It just shows a pattern 

Yet after treating each other like crap all season and carrying on at the reunion they do things like all going out to dinner.  That seems like it should not be real life either and yet here we are 🤷‍♀️  You couldn't pay me enough to be on one of these shows!

[SemiCharmedLife]

5 hours ago, nexxie said:

As I said at the time, the women - especially Rinna - were awful to Denise a few seasons ago. That has nothing to do with things that happened this season. I just call each interaction as I see them - Garcelle is not always innocent and Kyle is not always guilty.

In my way of thinking, the way Kyle orchestrated Denise's downfall (all the while admonishing her to be "open and honest," should have a bearing on the grace or lack of grace Kyle receives this season or any season in the future.  She is a huge hypocrite and that fact is allowed to be brought up by the other housewives and by the viewers.  I find it interesting how short our memories can be when it comes to some of these women and their past behaviors.  

[RealHousewife]

Just now, Keywestclubkid said:

My take

 

In a fake tv show were characters are written this would make sense .. 

but these are real people no matter how “scripted” sometimes it feels .. you’re mind isn’t wiped and everything horrible you did just forgot to never be spoke of again .. that’s NOT real life .. 

These woman carry this with them season to season .. the hurtful things follow them .. 

Like Dorit and her alcohol jabs that she continued from last season .. she knew what she was doing 

Just cause it was last season doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and didn’t and still does effect them 

It just shows a pattern 

Exactly, and part of taking the pattern into account for me is the fact I try not to jump to conclusions about people. I'm probably one of the few posters here who started out liking Erika, Dorit, Rinna, Brandi, most of them really. I don't watch these shows to "hate-watch." I've even liked Kyle some seasons, and I admit, she has qualities that made her a great anchor for the show. 

Say the only offensive thing Dorit ever said is calling Crystal a child bride. I'll be honest that I didn't immediately get how offensive it is. We can all be ignorant, but between that cringe race conversation seasons ago, all the micro aggressions against Garcelle, some of the stuff she's posted on social media, yeah, safe to say the "child of the world" is not as enlightened as she'd like for us to think. 

So yes, whether it is Dorit or Kyle or Erika, patterns matter. When Erika had that meltdown in Hong Kong, I felt so bad for Eileen who had been nothing but the biggest sweetheart. But I still didn't hate Erika. I thought she had a temper and maybe had hormonal stuff going on. But every year her behavior got worse. She's dialed it back again lately, but it's hard to forget her screaming at Eileen, threatening Sutton, using the c word. 

Even take season 2 of RHOBH and Lisa allegedly selling stories to tabloids. That carried on for several seasons later until pushing the issue ultimately resulted in Lisa leaving the show.