S05.E27: Wish You Were Here

[SPLAIN]

Kail and Leah have that problem where if someone else has an opinion, it is just that, an opinion. It is not something to be heard as they are always right. They seem to think their way is the only way, and we see where that  attitude has gotten them.

 

Adam has knocked up another? It's one thing when the girls on this show become pregnant again, but this guy is really working the MTV system like it is welfare.

[wrestlesflamingos]

From the article, it's unclear if Adam will be having a 3rd child. There's some suspicion around the 3rd girls character. I suppose we'll know for sure in a few months.

[KYBlonde]

Jailnail, Jailnail, Jailnail!!! (monotone voice....) Your mother?  Barb??  SHE is the reason you chose to do drugs???  Because....she....LIKE...took care of your child?? The absolute horror!!!! And you??? Yeah you, the bloated male heffer acting like you are the bestest father in the whole wide world????  When you let it slip that the ONLY reason you showed up for the "Barb CANNOT ever continue to keep Jace alive" intervention....what was it you said?  You were only there for Jailnail?  What about Jace???? The only human present in that room that was actually there for little Jace??? Was BARB!

[KYBlonde]

Kail and Leah have that problem where if someone else has an opinion, it is just that, an opinion. It is not something to be heard as they are always right. They seem to think their way is the only way, and we see where that  attitude has gotten them.

 

Adam has knocked up another? It's one thing when the girls on this show become pregnant again, but this guy is really working the MTV system like it is welfare.

Remember Limp Bizkit's "My Way"??  That has to be the soundtrack to Kail, Jailnail, and Leah's life!!

[StayingAfterSunday]

Adam got another woman pregnant? He is about to have 3 kids with 3 different women. (That we know of). That is crazy! Who are these people? I agree with the poster who mentioned that you can kind of feel for Chelsea. She was a dumb, sheltered teenager from a small town and five years ago Adam didn't look quite so much like an STD filled hobo. Now? Who are these women having sex with this guy? I've said this before and I'll say it again: I'm a responsible, nice woman working, volunteering, and studying for my MA, I like baseball, the beach, and Hitchcock films. I have no criminal record and I use the Oxford comma. I have not been on a date in probably a year. Adam seems to find brain damaged people to have sex with everywhere he goes!

I think Leah pushed for the wheel chair because she was raised to be a quick fix type of person. Seriously, her whole family seems pretty much like dumb white trash with a big "working the system" attitude. I'm sure the wheel chair seemed like a fix to Leah and she got so mad at Corey because I think she grew up in home where she saw adults game the system to get what they want so she didn't understand why Corey wasn't just playing his insurance company to get what she wanted (I'm not saying it makes actual sense, just that it made sense to her). Corey's family seems a little bit better educated and stable and to have more of a slow and steady wins the race attitude so he naturally gravitated toward solutions like therapy that fit into that mind set. Truth be told, Ali probably needs both. People to help her do the long, consistent, boring therapy that doesn't yield big shinny rests and someone who's willing to nag the insurance company into giving her the fanciest new equipment available. BUT Corey is not in denial and it pisses me off every time Leah says that. People disagreeing with Leah are not in denial. She pulled the same shit when they were married. If you disagree with her you're in denial about it.

 

I have always actually liked Corey's attitude about Ali because he really tried to have faith that she'd be okay.  As he once said, "She's just Ali," when Leah was pressing him to share her less-than-optimistic outlook for their daughter's condition. 

 

As for the wheelchair, I clearly recall Ali's very blunt pediatric specialist saying, after he'd examined her, that "she'll need a wheelchair."  He didn't suggest a wheelchair, he didn't say, "Maybe she'll need a wheelchair," he was quite definitive about the matter. And Leah, of course, did not dispute the doctor's advice. I mean, to be fair, how many parents - esp. young parents - would contradict the doctor's orders?  I know, I know; she's doing it every time she decides not to take her child to the required appointments. 

Edited October 3, 2014 by StayingAfterSunday

[FozzyBear]

I have always actually liked Corey's attitude about Ali because he really tried to have faith that she'd be okay. As he once said, "She's just Ali," when Leah was pressing him to share her less-than-optimistic outlook for their daughter's condition.

As for the wheelchair, I clearly recall Ali's very blunt pediatric specialist saying, after he'd examined her, that "she'll need a wheelchair." He didn't suggest a wheelchair, he didn't say, "Maybe she'll need a wheelchair," he was quite definitive about the matter. And Leah, of course, did not dispute the doctor's advice. I mean, to be fair, how many parents - esp. young parents - would contradict the doctor's orders? I know, I know; she's doing it every time she decides not to take her child to the required appointments.

I'm not arguing that Ali needs a wheel chair. For the record I don't think Cory was either. She's had a wheel chair for a long time. I think the wheel chair in dispute is a new model. Leah seems fixated on it, not that I blame her I would want the best for my kid too, but she doesn't seem to get that Cory's insurance company might not jump up and down for them or agree with them as to what type of wheel chair Ali needs. I don't think anybody is arguing that Ali doesn't need a wheel chair, just how it should be used and how quickly they can get it. I don't call this denial.

[StayingAfterSunday]

I think things vary from state to state, but I have had no issue with getting jobs at doctors' offices where I live and I have a DUI from 10+ years ago on my record. But I am not an RN, which is a field where I do know that matters. As an MA it hasn't, and I have submitted my consent for numerous background checks to large medical facilities. If it would have been an issue I'm sure I would have been notified.

 

Although I am sure with a laundry list of drug charges like Jenelle has there's no way in hell any medical facility would let her go behind the scenes. Her becoming an MA is a total waste of time and money, although I am sure her school would never admit that. They'll just smile and nod to keep getting those tuition checks.

 

Yes to all of the above.  Jenelle would either have to have a very close relative or friend who took her into his or her employ as an assistant - however, I can't imagine any office being comfortable doing that, especially if the job requires any handling of money or medications - or she'd have to have some of her charges expunged, if that's possible in the state of North Carolina. (I think that's where she lives and where most, if not all, her offenses took place).

[fliptopbox]

Well as an MA you will definitely handle medications at some point, I worked for a family practice and administered a lot of injections. Everything from the flu shot to morphine. For her that could be a big problem. When you work for specialists I think the medication issue is more along the lines of sample drugs....but those can still be stolen. As far as money that depends where you work. In smaller practices the MA does everything, from checking people in/out to assisting the docs with minor procedures. In larger offices you may only get the clinical side of things. It depends a lot where you get a job.

 

Anyone know if Jenelle is still even enrolled in her school? Since Kaiser she may have taken a leave and may not even go back. Wouldn't shock me.

[sunflowers83823]

You may be right, Persnickety. I don't know that Leah would put Ali in it ALL the time. Ali is pretty willful and independent. But Leah is also super lazy, IMO. I can see Corey being concerned that Leah would overuse it. I still don't think he would go so far as to deny her access to one based on that, but I never thought his concerns about total dependence on the wheelchair were unfounded.

Also, I may be going to hell, but I think Leah has some type of mental disorder where she gets off on the attention and sympathy she garners from having a child with a disability. I can see her wanting the chair not just for Ali, but so it's even more obvious how put upon this saint of a mother is.

That mental disorder is called Munchausen by Proxy, and in my opinion Leah is a poster child for that disorder. Her world revolves around Ali's diagnosis and the attention and sympathy that she gets from it. Corey acknowledges the MD, but he doesn't let it define him nor does he let it define Ali. I think Corey is in a better place emotionally to provide a stable home for the girls. They seem to get a lot more positive attention and one on one attention at Coreys house. Corey and Miranda seem to have a great realtionship with each other and are totally focused on the girls during his visitation. I feel like Corey has some very valid concerns in regards to Leah, and if he thinks he can provide a more stable home life for them than that is what he should do. I am both a parent and a step parent. My husbands ex was very unstable when they split up, she was constantly partying and shoved her kids off on anyone who would take them. We were able to show that in court and when the judge saw all of the evidence he awarded primary custody to my husband. She was livid, but the circumstance was of her own making. When she grew up and started really focusing on the kids, we adjusted the parenting plan. All I am saying is that sometimes people have to put feelings aside and do what is right for the kids at the time. I don't think Corey is being vindictive, I just think he is really concerned about the girls. Leah is just so self absorbed that it does not occur to her that she is doing anything wrong. Personally I think she should be thankful that Corey is a great dad who is very involved in his kids lives.

Edited October 3, 2014 by sunflowers83823

[GreatKazu]

Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP or MBP) is a behaviour pattern in which a caregiver fabricates, exaggerates, or induces health problems in those who are in their care.

 

That does not read at all like Leah. Leah is many things, but she is not inducing, fabricating or putting her child at risk. Maybe she gives her child junk food too much, but as for Ali's condition, Leah is not responsible for that at all. Now, Leah may relish and thrives on the attention it garners her, but that is not the same as Munchausen by Proxy.

[sunflowers83823]

I stand corrected. My point was that Leah uses Ali's diagnosis to garner sympathy, and she relishes the attention. I understand her child has a devastating illness, and that there are long term problems that they have to prepare for. My problem is that she does not seem to recognize all of the things that Ali can still do, whereas Corey encourages Ali to do as much as she can. I know how difficult it can be to have a child with special needs from my own personal experience, but I have never allowed my childs condition define who they are as a person. I think that is a real problem in this situation. If you are told all of your life all of the things you can't do, you grow up thinking that everything you want to do is impossible. That is a very sad circumstance to grow up in.

Edited October 3, 2014 by sunflowers83823

[DangerousMinds]

Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP or MBP) is a behaviour pattern in which a caregiver fabricates, exaggerates, or induces health problems in those who are in their care.

 

That does not read at all like Leah. Leah is many things, but she is not inducing, fabricating or putting her child at risk. Maybe she gives her child junk food too much, but as for Ali's condition, Leah is not responsible for that at all. Now, Leah may relish and thrives on the attention it garners her, but that is not the same as Munchausen by Proxy.

Having worked as a medical social worker, I fully agree. Leah's behavior, while attention seeking, does not meet the extreme criteria for Munchausen's by Proxy.

[SPLAIN]

she does not seem to recognize all of the things that Ali can still do, whereas Corey encourages Ali to do as much as she can.

Don't make me defend Leah. lol   I have always felt Leah had a great outlook on the things Ali is capable of doing. She has said so many times to Cory and Germy.  She was committed in the idea that Ali needed a wheelchair because she didn't want Ali to be in pain or be tired from walking so much. How she went about it was horrible by blaming Cory as if he was denying his child the chair. I hate her for that attitude.  Back to Leah and her attitude about Ali, I think she was the one who saying she wanted Ali in school right away so she could benefit from it. I think it was Cory who was worried about the girls not being together since Ali would be in school before the other one. I can't remember all the details, but I did get the impression Leah feels her daughter is capable of doing a lot. When the doctors told her Ali may not walk, she was there trying her best to get her daughter to walk.

[GreatKazu]

I can't believe I forgot to post this back when this episode aired.

 

Did anyone else see that monstrous painting Kail had hanging in her house during this episode? It was a painting of Kail in her wedding dress and it also had Isaac featured. It looks as if someone painted it from a photo. Whoever did that painting, must have hated Kail. She looked like one of the Simpsons characters. An ugly one.  I paused that scene and just busted a gut. I can't believe she has that hanging in her house. The painting is shown during the scene where Kail and Javi sit down to a fine dinner of frozen fish sticks where Kail mentions the possibility of Isaac being in sports and how it will affect his visitation next year with Jo. Kail mentioned Javi having cooked dinner. Yeah, way to go Javi. It must have been real hard to put those frozen fish sticks into the oven.

Edited October 9, 2014 by GreatKazu

[Persnickety1]

I can't believe I forgot to post this back when this episode aired.

 

Did anyone else see that monstrous painting Kail had hanging in her house during this episode? It was a painting of Kail in her wedding dress and it also had Isaac featured. It looks as if someone painted it from a photo. Whoever did that painting, must have hated Kail. She looked like one of the Simpsons characters. An ugly one.  I paused that scene and just busted a gut. I can't believe she has that hanging in her house. The painting is shown during the scene where Kail and Javi sit down to a fine dinner of frozen fish sticks where Kail mentions the possibility of Isaac being in sports and how it will affect his visitation next year with Jo. Kail mentioned Javi having cooked dinner. Yeah, way to go Javi. It must have been real hard to put those frozen fish sticks into the oven.

 

I absolutely have to believe someone did that painting of her totally for the snark value.  That monstrosity could NOT have been in any sort of complimentary fashion.

 

Like you, I laughed and laughed.  

 

 

I can't believe I forgot to post this back when this episode aired.

 

Did anyone else see that monstrous painting Kail had hanging in her house during this episode? It was a painting of Kail in her wedding dress and it also had Isaac featured. It looks as if someone painted it from a photo. Whoever did that painting, must have hated Kail. She looked like one of the Simpsons characters. An ugly one.  I paused that scene and just busted a gut. I can't believe she has that hanging in her house. The painting is shown during the scene where Kail and Javi sit down to a fine dinner of frozen fish sticks where Kail mentions the possibility of Isaac being in sports and how it will affect his visitation next year with Jo. Kail mentioned Javi having cooked dinner. Yeah, way to go Javi. It must have been real hard to put those frozen fish sticks into the oven.

 

Yeah, this struck me as odd for some reason, too. 

 

I mean, I get maybe eating such meals when Isaac is home because kids love that shitty processed food, but it was just the 2 of them...I dunno, I just found it an extremely unhealthy meal for two adults, one of whom is in the military and presumably under physical (and perhaps emotional) stress, and the other of whom is a nursing mother.

 

Yeah, not a lot of effort going into meal thought or preparation at Casa Kail.  Anything that takes more than 3 minutes to heat must be out of the question.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Persnickety1

[Darknight]

I hate how Kali always uses Isaac against Joe. Now I wonder what would happen if Kali wants to move 6 hours away? I hope the judge says hell no

Edited October 9, 2014 by Darknight

[NikSac]

I hate how Kali always uses Isaac against Joe. Now I wonder what would happen if Kali wants to move 6 hours away? I hope the judge says hell no

 

Sadly they probably won't care. Something way too similar happened to my brother recently and the judge pretty much said his ex could move out of state and take the child with her if she wanted to and he'd get a long-ish visit once a year.  Her logic was "people figure it out all the time."  But that said, I agree with you, I hope they get a decent judge who cares about Isaac and says "no."