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S02.E15: I See…Murder

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shapeshifter

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3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Tracey Ullman as Marilyn 

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I adored how Tracey Ullman as Marilyn subtly but deliberatly faded in and out of accents at the beginning of the episode, so I looked her up and found this 1990 article linked from her Wikipedia page:
"Watch Out For Ullman She's A Master Of Accents, A Wiz At Changing Personalities. The Star Of 'I Love You To Death' Might Even Tuck Away Your Mannerisms For Future Reference" (https://web.archive.org/web/20150525232559/http://articles.philly.com/1990-04-08/entertainment/25917720_1_shaggy-bob-tracey-ullman-shakespeare)

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EtheltoTillie

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Best line of the night: the classic joke about psychics.  Tracey Ullman says she came as soon as Phyllis called and Elsbeth said shouldn’t you have come before?  But I’m not getting the exact wording. It was funnier the way Elsbeth said it. 

But also she was signaling that Ullman was the killer n

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Nashville

Nashville

8 hours ago, possibilities said:

Another episode where they didn't show us the crime at the beginning. They really do seem to have decided to change the show format.

Did they, tho?  Because if anybody watching the beginning of the episode hadn’t caught on in the first five minutes that the psychic was going to kill the son, I’d be purely amazed.

The only thing NOT shown was the manner in which the crime was committed, and in this specific case I felt showing such would’ve destroyed a significant element of the episode’s suspense - so I didn’t mind so much. YMMV

 

7 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Kaya looked so nice in her new suit and hairdo. 

When I first saw Kaya OTJ as a detective, one thought went through my mind:

Daaaaayyyyyuuuuuummmmm…!!!

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DearEvette

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This was a good episode and pretty fascinating.

Of course we knew Marilyn was the killer.  But it was nice to leave the how of it as part of the reveal.  I think they did it that way so we got to watch Kaya's detective skills in action. 

Also,

3 hours ago, Nashville said:

Daaaaayyyyyuuuuuummmmm…!!!

Right??  She looked so lovely!!

Regarding Marilyn... it was fascinating the way they crafted her character.  I like the idea of her having a real authentic paranormal talent on the one hand, but also being a grifting charlatan for money as it benefits her.  Maybe the act of the grift snuffs out her talent and she can't get a real read when her motive is completely mercenary?

Using the 'murder of crows' at that exact moment was a nice way to exit the scene right into the credits that included crows in the title noticed the crows flying around in the title sequence.

I wondered if it was the first time the title sequence was tied to the plot of the episode.  I checked back about 6 episodes and only one other of the last six had something different and it was the 'Tearjerker' episode with Jordana Brewster.  In that one, the title sequence, which always includes a cartoon rendering of the NYC skyline, had a very tall building swaying in the wind.

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shapeshifter

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14 minutes ago, edhopper said:

But this show is supposedly grounded in reality, and all psychics are frauds an con artists. I don't think they should've made Marylyn legit. 

And having Elsbeth trick her and then the talk with the Captain, they wanted it both ways.

Other than that, a good EP.

I'm still wondering if Marylin might reappear in another episode (they consult her in jail/prison) and it is revealed she's 100% charlatan.

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possibilities

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4 hours ago, Nashville said:

id they, tho?  Because if anybody watching the beginning of the episode hadn’t caught on in the first five minutes that the psychic was going to kill the son, I’d be purely amazed.

The only thing NOT shown was the manner in which the crime was committed, and in this specific case I felt showing such would’ve destroyed a significant element of the episode’s suspense - so I didn’t mind so much. YMMV

I was sure it was her, too, but I never thought the suspense in this show as about who did the crime, or how, but about how Elsbeth figures it out. I thought it was obvious who, but I liked it better when they used to show us-- it was in the same "don't show the gore but show the moments leading up to it before you cut away" style of Columbo. I liked it! Maybe I'm just nostalgic.

I also think they really have toned down her wardrobe and changed her style of questioning a lot. It feels like a generic procedural to me now, and not a Columbo remake or a subversion of expectations where she takes people down by getting them to underestimate her. I liked that device, and I liked how it went after people who were smug and over-privileged and hoisted them by their own BS.

It has a very different feel to me now, and I don't like it nearly as much.

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SoMuchTV

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22 hours ago, DearEvette said:

Regarding Marilyn... it was fascinating the way they crafted her character.  I like the idea of her having a real authentic paranormal talent on the one hand, but also being a grifting charlatan for money as it benefits her.  Maybe the act of the grift snuffs out her talent and she can't get a real read when her motive is completely mercenary?

 

22 hours ago, edhopper said:

I don't mind shows with supernatural themes play with psychics and esp.

But this show is supposedly grounded in reality, and all psychics are frauds an con artists. I don't think they should've made Marylyn legit. 

I didn’t see how they showed that Marilyn was “legit” or had “authentic paranormal talent”. (Has that ever been proven about anyone? Some cursory research tells me, no, it hasn’t.) She knew some things that haven’t yet been explained (like the blue station wagon) but I don’t think that’s supposed to prove she’s a legitimate psychic. 

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EtheltoTillie

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11 hours ago, SoMuchTV said:

 

I didn’t see how they showed that Marilyn was “legit” or had “authentic paranormal talent”. (Has that ever been proven about anyone?) She knew some things that haven’t yet been explained (like the blue station wagon) but I don’t think that’s supposed to prove she’s a legitimate psychic. 

I agree.  I think she's a skilled cold reader/pre-researcher like that infamous Long Island Psychic. 

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DearEvette

DearEvette

I think the show left it deliberately open ended though.  If they really wanted us to know she was a complete fraud, they would have taken pains to debunk her.   One of the hallmarks of the show is a reveal and explanation. They never did that with her.  Now, that doesn't mean they might not do it later since the show is great with callbacks. 

But I think that especially with how the scene with her read on Elsbeth was crafted, they wanted it to go beyond the idea of a just skilled reader. It piled on too many specifics -- Grandmother specifically instead of just 'maternal figure', including the nickname 'Elly'  when the name Elsbeth has a lot of nickname possibilities.

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@DearEvette, I agree with you. And I think having the captain say he thought she had real psychic ability was evidence that the show wants us to think she's at least part legit. Police depts. have been known to use psychics to solve murders with some success. So it's not seen as bunk by everyone.

I do believe some people have a gift, but it usually isn't as easily or  commonly summoned up as many psychics try to act like it is so they also engage in some unethical practices, which is regrettable because it discredits their own gift. I myself have a touch of it, so I know how that is.

13 hours ago, SoMuchTV said:

I didn’t see how they showed that Marilyn was “legit” or had “authentic paranormal talent”. (Has that ever been proven about anyone?) She knew some things that haven’t yet been explained (like the blue station wagon) but I don’t think that’s supposed to prove she’s a legitimate psychic. 

There is a lot of evidence to support that some psychics have been right about things but nothing can be proven conclusively as coming from any real psychic ability when you have charlatans muddying things. And of course hard nosed science types will always claim that they could just have had "lucky guesses" or put things together using logic or gut intuition, nothing paranormal. There is always a way to debunk someone's hunches. My contention is who cares what it is or how they got to a correct conclusion if it's right and they didn't commit any kind of fraud in the process? I don't draw hard distinctions between "paranormal", "intuition" and "science" but what do I know? I just spent years studying the relationships between these things.

19 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I'm still wondering if Marylin might reappear in another episode (they consult her in jail/prison) and it is revealed she's 100% charlatan.

I'm thinking that may happen, but not to reveal that she's 100% charlatan but to have her show that she actually has a genuine gift.

I found it interesting that Lt. Connor actually professed belief in psychic ability, which was another vote in a positive direction from the show. Also, Elsbeth was genuinely touched and even shaken by the level of detail the psychic knew about her and her grandmother. There were a few things she knew that were very specific, unknown to anyone but Elsbeth, and would be hard to guess. And Elsbeth would be able to figure out how she knew it if it was bunk. But she didn't pursue that because she knew there was no way she could have known that other than a real gift. Another vote from the show in favor of it not being bunk in this woman's case, at least not ALL of it.

Also, the evil figure in a dark robe - obviously the judge. I'm sure that's not lost on Elsbeth and that will give her reason to consult the psychic in the future.

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Yeah No

Yeah No

Some beefs and observations I had with this episode:

Again they're making the show more like a typical procedural. I still don't like that. I do like that they make the identity of the murderer pretty obvious, though. Elsbeth's clothes continue to be toned down but they are keeping some of the quirky like the bags and her getting tangled in the bead curtain twice. That was a typical Columbo move. I just think they should bring her and the show back to where it was on this stuff.

Also, no way would a body be laying right out there on a road in Central Park for 36 hours without anyone finding it. Maybe in the bushes far away from a path, but not where it was.

And who would go all the way out to some desolate path in the park to meet someone from a dating site at night anyway? That stretches credibility too.

Genuine question - do rich widows still dress in Chanel-eque suits and furs reminiscent of 40 years ago? I guess if you're Jill Eikenberry's age it's plausible.

Also I get that the type of arrow used by the "rat vigilantes" was not designed or intended to pierce a rat, but that doesn't mean it might not pierce the skin of a human if delivered at a velocity fast enough to do it. Something for the old Mythbusters to figure out (using that fake body skin/gel thing they used and of course Buster their favorite dummy)!

Silver-hyren

Silver-hyren

12 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Also, no way would a body be laying right out there on a road in Central Park for 36 hours without anyone finding it. Maybe in the bushes far away from a path, but not where it was.

It was in the bushes, though.  We see the body being dragged somewhere after getting shot.  The only reason the police find it is Elsbeth noticing the crows circling overhead.

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Nashville

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8 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I found it interesting that Lt. Connor actually professed belief in psychic ability, which was another vote in a positive direction from the show. Also, Elsbeth was genuinely touched and even shaken by the level of detail the psychic knew about her and her grandmother. There were a few things she knew that were very specific, unknown to anyone but Elsbeth, and would be hard to guess. And Elsbeth would be able to figure out how she knew it if it was bunk. But she didn't pursue that because she knew there was no way she could have known that other than a real gift.

Or, there was some other way which has not yet been revealed - access to a target’s medical records, for example, or illegally-obtained copies of notes taken by a psychologist during a therapy session.

In any case, I strongly suspect more data will be forthcoming.

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psychfan

psychfan

7 hours ago, laredhead said:

Marilyn has never met Elsbeth, or even knew that she would be at the police station, so it would have been impossible for her to know anything about her personal life beforehand.  I'm inclined to believe that Marilyn has some type of ability to know certain things about people's lives. 

But the ‘reading’ she did with her wasn’t at that first meeting. There was plenty of time between meeting her and the time of that reading for her to have done her research. And most of what she said was pretty standard stuff of making educated guesses and reacting to responses. It’s not much of a stretch to have guessed stuff like having a maternal figure important to her, or given her clothes or mannerisms that someone she was close to might have been similar. It might have been her real nickname from her grandma, and might not have been. If she’d gotten a negative reaction she’d have changed it or otherwise dodged it.  Just like she first said maternal figure, then added grandmother, and could easily have switched to something else if Elsbeth’s reaction suggested that wasn’t right. And I was disappointed in the gullibility for the blue station wagon. Really? You don’t think maybe she’d have found articles on old cases to pull something from?

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ofmd

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I didn't enjoy this episode very much.

Did like the dynamic with the new officer. For a second there, I thought we would see Mr Insufferable again! Poor Elsbeth, trying to find a connection! And bonding over dogs in the end... 

Not a fan of the suggestion that the psychic's powers were partly real, the supernatural doesn't work for me with this show. (At first I thought the Captain's old case was introduced so that we - and Elsbeth -  could revisit it later, but apparenty there's no mystery left to be solved.) Of course I'm prepared that with a show by the Kings, it may veer off in a direction where I don't like it anymore. I know that's probably a minority position, ymmv.

For those who miss the earlier, more Colombo-like structure of episodes - in case you don't know Poker Face, check it out! I also find their cases better constructed.

For Elsbeth, it's the quirky characters that make the show for me, and I agree with the posters who miss Elsbeth's more 'out there' approach.

I'd prefer that the loose thread/ ongoing plot with the murderous judge got dealt with soon but I suspect he's meant to be her nemesis for quite some time to come.

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Yeah No

Yeah No

On 3/15/2025 at 12:34 PM, Silver-hyren said:

It was in the bushes, though.  We see the body being dragged somewhere after getting shot.  The only reason the police find it is Elsbeth noticing the crows circling overhead.

I must have missed that it was dragged to the bushes.

16 hours ago, Nashville said:

Or, there was some other way which has not yet been revealed - access to a target’s medical records, for example, or illegally-obtained copies of notes taken by a psychologist during a therapy session.

In any case, I strongly suspect more data will be forthcoming.

Oh if the show wants this woman to look like a charlatan, they'll find ways to make her have gotten the information in some other plausible but perhaps illicit way. But it looks to me right now like the show wants her to look at least partly legit and perhaps legit about what she told Elsbeth and Captain Wagner. 

14 hours ago, psychfan said:

But the ‘reading’ she did with her wasn’t at that first meeting. There was plenty of time between meeting her and the time of that reading for her to have done her research. And most of what she said was pretty standard stuff of making educated guesses and reacting to responses. It’s not much of a stretch to have guessed stuff like having a maternal figure important to her, or given her clothes or mannerisms that someone she was close to might have been similar. It might have been her real nickname from her grandma, and might not have been. If she’d gotten a negative reaction she’d have changed it or otherwise dodged it.  Just like she first said maternal figure, then added grandmother, and could easily have switched to something else if Elsbeth’s reaction suggested that wasn’t right. And I was disappointed in the gullibility for the blue station wagon. Really? You don’t think maybe she’d have found articles on old cases to pull something from?

The things I found oddly specific and hard to have known were mentioning the pink chiffon and fringed suede and the fact that Elsbeth liked to dress up in her grandmother's clothes and jewelry. Sure a lot of young girls like to do that and I admired my grandmother's clothing and jewelry (and still even have some) but I never did any of that and she never owned anything made from pink chiffon or fringed suede, nor did she encourage me to be "bold and colorful" like her. So that stuff wouldn't have applied to me and unless Elsbeth mentioned it or posted photos of those clothes somewhere publicly like on social media or the details were posted somewhere without Elsbeth's knowledge how would she have been so oddly accurate? And she'd also have to be sure Elsbeth and the Captain wouldn't be able to figure out how she knew it either. That's a lot to expect.

I would be surprised if neither of them would remember that the information she uncovered might have been made public somehow. Or not public but accessible somehow. Surely the two of them would be more inclined to be skeptical about how she knew those things if there were reason to doubt her on them. But neither of them have expressed such doubt. Elsbeth especially would be like a dog with a bone if anything seemed suspect. And this woman reduced her to genuine tears over it. So that's making me think the show wants her to be at least partly legit.

Even the Long Island Medium was never that accurate all the time - in fact I heard from reliable sources that she was often very wrong but the show edited those instances out. In the case of this show the psychic came out with only one situation or set of details for Elsbeth and Capt. Wagner. There was no editing staff that could get her out of any mistake.

Same for Capt. Wagner. Now she only knew about a blue station wagon. She didn't reveal knowledge of anything else. He supplied more info. but she didn't pick up the bait and run with it, which she could have to make him think she knew more. She instead said she "got nothing", which was interesting. If somehow she knew a blue station wagon meant something to him she may not have known anything else and was being honest about that because she didn't want to risk being wrong. She could have continued with him to reassure him that the victim didn't hold him to blame. The LI medium was not above doing that and that didn't involve any real knowledge but it always made the client feel like she was really in touch with the person. So who knows? She may have an ethical bone in her otherwise dishonest body.

DearEvette

DearEvette

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17 hours ago, psychfan said:

But the ‘reading’ she did with her wasn’t at that first meeting. There was plenty of time between meeting her and the time of that reading for her to have done her research. And most of what she said was pretty standard stuff of making educated guesses and reacting to responses.

The show doesn't give a good real sense of time. But it was the second meeting and it feels implied it was the next day.

In the first meeting, Kaya is in uniform and Elsbeth is wearing a pink Chanel-like jacket with a pink bow.

We then cut to (presumably) the next day, and  Kaya is now in her new suit and Elsbeth is wearing a purple Chanel-like jacket.  I assume it is the next day because now that Kaya has gotten the promotion  and her badge, why would she wait several days to put on her new suit?

They are meeting with Jill Eikenberry's character who says something about Marilyn and that gets both their Spidey senses tingling. That sends them right back to Marilyn on the same day.

I don't doubt that a skilled fraudster would have some deep research methods  to prime their marks.  But with this, admittedly, imprecise timing she would have had less than 24 hours to research Elsbeth.  A woman who is of an age not to have lived her entire life online or not rich and famous enough to have a lot written about her and readily available.

I am also still stuck on the fact that the show is a child of Columbo and has a schtick.  We have seen when Elsbeth has the perp thinking they lied successfully to get her off the trail and she starts to leave but does that 'Oh and another thing..' which lets them and, more importantly, us know she wasn't fooled.  The only reason I think the show is trying to suggest that Marilyn may not be completely a charlatan is because we never got that moment definitively.

So in my mind it isn't about what is probably the real case about a person like Marilyn, it is what the show wants to leave us thinking about Marilyn. They didn't conclusively debunk her.  If they wanted to do that, they would have had Elsbeth say 'Oh and by the way, my grandmother called be Bethie.'  This is network tv they aren't trying to be too cryptic.

I also think they left it inconclusive to get that last scene in there, so that both Elsbeth and the Captain -- who both know the Judge is out to get Elsbeth -- could feel legitimately alarmed by her warning.

As I said before, they could still debunk her later, but for now they want the audience to believe she might be somewhat legit.

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Yeah No

Yeah No

26 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

So in my mind it isn't about what is probably the real case about a person like Marilyn, it is what the show wants to leave us thinking about Marilyn. They didn't conclusively debunk her.  If they wanted to do that, they would have had Elsbeth say 'Oh and by the way, my grandmother called be Bethie.'  This is network tv they aren't trying to be too cryptic.

I also think they left it inconclusive to get that last scene in there, so that both Elsbeth and the Captain -- who both know the Judge is out to get Elsbeth -- could feel legitimately alarmed by her warning.

As I said before, they could still debunk her later, but for now they want the audience to believe she might be somewhat legit.

Thank you, exactly, and that pretty much squares with what I've already said.

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Yeah No

Yeah No

1 hour ago, DearEvette said:

I don't doubt that a skilled fraudster would have some deep research methods  to prime their marks.  But with this, admittedly, imprecise timing she would have had less than 24 hours to research Elsbeth.  A woman who is of an age not to have lived her entire life online or not rich and famous enough to have a lot written about her and readily available.

If she could control the lights in Phyllis' apartment remotely using a smartphone app I think her online research skills are likely to be pretty good. But some of that stuff she told Elsbeth is unlikely to be found online and if it there's a chance it might be Elsbeth would be all over it and would want to find it. But I agree with you that for now at least, Elsbeth is not questioning her gift because the show wants us to think the psychic is legit. For now, at least. But they could also be leaving it open ended so the audience doesn't know for sure and can believe what they want about her.

I just want to point out that this episode includes actual gaslighting. OK, not with literal gaslights but lights nonetheless! 

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

5 hours ago, Yeah No said:

…I would be surprised if neither of them would remember that the information she uncovered might have been made public somehow. Or not public but accessible somehow. Surely the two of them would be more inclined to be skeptical about how she knew those things if there were reason to doubt her on them. But neither of them have expressed such doubt. Elsbeth especially would be like a dog with a bone if anything seemed suspect. And this woman reduced her to genuine tears over it. So that's making me think the show wants her to be at least partly legit.

Yes.

4 hours ago, DearEvette said:

I don't doubt that a skilled fraudster would have some deep research methods  to prime their marks.  But with this, admittedly, imprecise timing she would have had less than 24 hours to research Elsbeth.  A woman who is of an age not to have lived her entire life online or not rich and famous enough to have a lot written about her and readily available.…
… they could still debunk her later, but for now they want the audience to believe she might be somewhat legit.

And yes. 
So if the psychic is going to be later unmasked as 100% charlatan, she must have a private investigator or 2 working for her. Maybe she gets paid by powerful and/or wealthy clients to manipulate people like she was doing with the cookie companies. Her high-price psychic readings could probably serve as a great cover for such payments.
Maybe the judge had already hired her to snoop into Elsbeth and the Captain's "past lives."

Or. Maybe the psychic will wind up helping Elsbeth and/or the Captain with a case. This too could tie into the judge already being involved. Or not.

Option 3 is that the Captain is onto the psychic having someone on the inside getting confidential police info, and Elsbeth is as of yet unaware. If this is the case, Elsbeth should be able to figure it out.

 

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Yeah No

Yeah No

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

So if the psychic is going to be later unmasked as 100% charlatan, she must have a private investigator or 2 working for her. Maybe she gets paid by powerful and/or wealthy clients to manipulate people like she was doing with the cookie companies. Her high-price psychic readings could probably serve as a great cover for such payments.
Maybe the judge had already hired her to snoop into Elsbeth and the Captain's "past lives."

Her being hired to manipulate people would be interesting. 

I used to wonder if the L.I. Medium had a staff of undercover researchers. She wouldn't have had time to do it alone.

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Or. Maybe the psychic will wind up helping Elsbeth and/or the Captain with a case. This too could tie into the judge already being involved. Or not.

I was thinking that could be a possibility. I like that one.

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Zaffy

Zaffy

Maybe the Evil Judge is also one of the Psychic's clients so she knows things.

So the new officer is "they". 
Am I the only one  totally confused by the recent use of "they" on TV?
I have a close friend who is non binary, but nothing is confusing cause when we talk in person I call them by name. 

On Tv though, It takes me a while (if not at all, lol) to realize if the mention of "they" refers to a person or many. 

 

shapeshifter

shapeshifter

8 hours ago, Zaffy said:

Maybe the Evil Judge is also one of the Psychic's clients so she knows things.

4 hours ago, Yeah No said:

That would be a little too convenient for me. I hate it when shows do stuff like that. It seems to be a thing lately. Not very realistic. Not that anything is that realistic these days but still.

Having Evil Judge be one of Charlatan Psychic's clients is not too convenient for me if there are Reasons spelled out, especially if the Reasons are other than Evil Judge actually wanting to consult a real psychic. 
For instance, Psychic seems to have her finger on the pulse of Business and Politics, so she might know about Elsbeth's run-ins with Evil Judge. 
And then if Psychic does have a cadre of top notch investigators ready to find out personal info at a moment's notice (probably including breaking into homes and rifling through mementos), maybe Psychic offers her team to Evildoers, which then makes them beholden to her. 

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SoMuchTV

SoMuchTV

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8 hours ago, Zaffy said:

Maybe the Evil Judge is also one of the Psychic's clients so she knows things.

 

4 hours ago, Yeah No said:

That would be a little too convenient for me. I hate it when shows do stuff like that. It seems to be a thing lately. Not very realistic. Not that anything is that realistic these days but still.

LOL at the idea that person with true psychic abilities (something that as far as I can tell has never been proven, ever) would be considered a more realistic possibility than an evil, devious judge being involved in a scam. (Although maybe I'm influenced by the character Emerson played on Evil - I wouldn't put anything past that guy!)

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Cross-posted with @shapeshifter - great minds etc.
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Milburn Stone

Milburn Stone

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On 3/14/2025 at 3:12 PM, possibilities said:

It feels like a generic procedural to me now, and not a Columbo remake or a subversion of expectations where she takes people down by getting them to underestimate her. I liked that device, and I liked how it went after people who were smug and over-privileged and hoisted them by their own BS.

It has a very different feel to me now, and I don't like it nearly as much.

I agree with every word of this.

I didn't mind when they abandoned the format for one episode. But now it feels like a trend.

Methinks they got "notes" from the network.

On 3/17/2025 at 3:41 AM, Zaffy said:

So the new officer is "they". 

Of course I noticed that too. But I have to say, I preferred the way they did it to scenes where everyone first says "she" and then goes "D'oh!" and stumbles to make the correction. That would have been worse.

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