S02.E07: She'd Better Not Be Staying

[sasha206]

IMO, any woman who claims to have a boyfriend yet continues to flirt with, blow, hand job, get naked and/or have sex with any other guy (onboard or not) is "easy"...or if you prefer the terminology, a slut.

 

Right.  But the men on board are doing the same thing and yet no one is slut shaming them.  Is she a moral person?  It appears not. But I don't know if I want to condemn her to "slut" because she *may* have had sex with someone years ago on a boat and *may* have had sex with Ben.  I'd be willing to bet many of us on this very board had some impulsive sex in our 20s before we were married.  Are we all sluts too? 

Anyone else feel sorry for Jennice having to room with Amy after Amy's little "You don't know what you lost by not dating my brother" speech.  I get that she wants to take up for her brother but Jennice had a boyfriend at the time, couldn't Amy have taken that into consideration?

Yes.

 

As much as I don't like Jennice, that was strange.  

 

If she had said something like this, "I know he kissed you and you didn't appreciate that.  He thought there was something between you two and everyone on this boat has though the same thing.  I don't think it was cool that you took it upon yourself to tell nearly everyone on board what happened..."

 

I know they are close and that they are protective of each other, but chastising a woman WHO HAS A BOYFRIEND for not forsaking her boyfriend is pretty shitty.  In fact, she *should've* given her props for not cheating on her boyfriend.  I might've been more likely to say, "I know there's an attraction but it's cool that you didn't give in since you do have a boyfriend."

Edited September 27, 2014 by sasha206

[Bronzedog]

Kelley and his sister have a very peculiar relationship.

[ZoloftBlob]

You know, I am going to take Adrienne's side a little. She  was invited to the boat by the primary guest and Kat immediately chided the primary guest for it because she couldn't stand Adrienne and let the primary guest know that. That was completely unprofessional on Kat's part. As I understand the rules of yachting, if the guests invite back ANYONE, all the boat staff needs to do is smile and like it.

 

Also from a professional standpoint, I don't think it was ok for Kat to confront Adrienne in front of the primary guest over the BJ story, and probably not smart to have an angry rant about how maybe it did happen when she was black out drunk.

 

That said, no, Adrienne probably shouldn't have shared the story, but I think its fair to say that the primary guest probably shared the "Kat told me she couldn't stand you" story so there was some tit for tat here.

 

I don't particularly care who Kat sleeps with but I find it interesting that she's offended that Adrienne shared a story where she can't even deny the facts because she was black out drunk, but it's perfectly acceptable for her to get on camera with how titillating it is that Adrienne has a lesssssbian side.

[Almost 3000]

You know, I am going to take Adrienne's side a little. She  was invited to the boat by the primary guest and Kat immediately chided the primary guest for it because she couldn't stand Adrienne and let the primary guest know that. That was completely unprofessional on Kat's part. As I understand the rules of yachting, if the guests invite back ANYONE, all the boat staff needs to do is smile and like it.

 

Also from a professional standpoint, I don't think it was ok for Kat to confront Adrienne in front of the primary guest over the BJ story, and probably not smart to have an angry rant about how maybe it did happen when she was black out drunk.

 

That said, no, Adrienne probably shouldn't have shared the story, but I think its fair to say that the primary guest probably shared the "Kat told me she couldn't stand you" story so there was some tit for tat here.

 

I don't particularly care who Kat sleeps with but I find it interesting that she's offended that Adrienne shared a story where she can't even deny the facts because she was black out drunk, but it's perfectly acceptable for her to get on camera with how titillating it is that Adrienne has a lesssssbian side.

and to add to that Kat was reeeeeally nasty to Adrienne last season and made her job much harder.

[Petunia13]

That's a really good point ZoloftBob Kat took a lot of glee in outing on camera Adrienne's lesbian side and acted that's so salacious. So it's ok to out gay sexual escapades but if its heterosexual its super mean?!

Also why is she acting so victimized and hurt when Adrienne basically repeated a rumor in a laughing "who gives a shit?" almost like busting her on stealing food and tp from the ship or as having excessive flatulence and I don't even think it was to embarrass Kat about the BJ, but giggle about the fact Kat was perceived as wild and kind of dick roomie to do that when her bunker was sick as fuck and trying to sleep.

Then Kat got further hypocritical to flaunt her blowjobs must be legendary to Ben since the guy choose her and everyone's still talking about it and obvies Amy is jeluz of her peen sucking skills. That egotistical and delusional rant totally contradicts her previous reaction of butthurt.

Also the comments of Kat saying Adriennne is the devil and all the other viewers saying she's mean for a long time...well it's like the fable of the snake so don't be surprised she bites. She's a fucking snake. Kat is just as bad sleeping with guys she doesn't remember whom according to her, hooking up with guys with girlfriends, outing someone as gay and acting like that's something bad, name calling, showing up to work drunk, making cringeworthy demands on guests. And. She also needs to never make that junkyard bulldog gnashing a bone face she did to Ade when saying "talking behind my back!!" ever again because yikes. She looked just like Cujo ripping a human apart. They show it on all the promos and ads and clips and its the stuff of nightmares even in one view.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Petunia13

[ZoloftBlob]

All I know? I s that none of these crew people deserved a tip for this charter and I don't give a shit if the Primary Guest was comped by Bravo or not. All fucking season, all these people have done is bitch about their jobs. ALL SEASON. Oh fucking heavens, the guests want to play on the inflatable water slide and its a pain in our ass to set it up - the guests are paying what? 100k (in theory) for a 5 day trip? The guests want a fucking mohito and you sit there bitching how fucking hilarious it is that they paid 100k and you've been serving them "slop" that you're making with basil and mint extract, and whining that god forbid, the guests who are paying for you to iron their shit actually ask for their clothes to be ironed and you proudly note how fucking low class you think it is for people not used to luxury to actually insist on the privileges they are paying for. Oh boo hoo, a prior guest liked Adrienne and invited her to the ship. And god forbid Adrienne actually enjoyed herself. I didn't see anything high handed like insisting Kat or Ben serve her or redo anything, and even the guests noted that Captain Lee was totally pissy with them... well, what exactly were they paying for? The crew's judgmental attitude?

 

It's your job, when you at tending rich people, to smile and like it. No one in this group was what I consider to be personally obnoxious - I get why Kate was pissed about the bitch remark from the prior charter, for example, but really, all this group did wrong was *like* Adrienne and the crew merrily shit on them on a tv show for it.Captain Lee needs to get down off his high horse and realize Kat lied to him last year about being drunk, and Kate lied this year about being pissed and putting a towel penis on the guest bed.

[CaliforniaLove]

Although I've always wanted to go on a luxurious chartered yacht trip, if I were to win the lottery tomorrow I would be too self conscious to do it. I couldn't enjoy myself if I felt like major crap was being talked about me because I wanted my margarita blended. I'd be like those ladies from that one charter where they helped Kat fold napkins.

[motorcitymom65]

Even if she does any willing guy in the area, I'm not liking that sort of judgment either. So, she likes sex. Welcome to humanity. Get better at it if you don't understand.

I think it's great that Kat likes sex.  As stated, welcome to humanity. The vast majority of women I know love sex, and since folks are generally good at things they like, I would assume pretty darn good at it. It's not really a very hard skill set to master.  If you want to be good at it, you will be, so it doesn't make a gal particularly special. Liking sex doesn't, IMO, mean that anything that a gal does sexually is always going to be considered OK with everyone else, anymore than someone who likes to drink wine can say that anything they do with regard to alcohol is ok because they really like it. That's not a good defense to me. 

 

I didn't see Kat "owning" her sexuality in this situation at all. If she wants to pull a Samantha Jones and be up front and open about the fact that she likes sex and is going to get as much of it as she can, that is one thing. What I saw was a gal claiming to give a drunken BJ to a guy it seems she didn't know very well, while her friend was doped up on painkillers.  She didn't seem proud of it or think it was a great thing, since she was crying in the bathroom and pissed as hell about the story being repeated (and then went on to repeat it). That's because she knows that it isn't about liking sex, it was about being drunk and betraying a friend, using sex in this instance to do it.  If she would have walked up to everyone and said "yea, I blew the guy even though I knew that Amy liked him because I really like sex and enjoy showing off my talents.  This is who I am and what I do and I won't be judged for it",  she knows that she a lot of people would have a hard time with it. 

[whack-a-mole]

Yeah, but I don't think it's a reason to use charged language like "slut," which is what I was responding to. She was blackout drunk. My major questions are more around if she needs help for a drinking problem and why the guy was accepting a blow job from somebody that drunk.

[sasha206]

You know, I am going to take Adrienne's side a little. She  was invited to the boat by the primary guest and Kat immediately chided the primary guest for it because she couldn't stand Adrienne and let the primary guest know that. That was completely unprofessional on Kat's part. As I understand the rules of yachting, if the guests invite back ANYONE, all the boat staff needs to do is smile and like it.

 

Also from a professional standpoint, I don't think it was ok for Kat to confront Adrienne in front of the primary guest over the BJ story, and probably not smart to have an angry rant about how maybe it did happen when she was black out drunk.

 

That said, no, Adrienne probably shouldn't have shared the story, but I think its fair to say that the primary guest probably shared the "Kat told me she couldn't stand you" story so there was some tit for tat here.

 

I don't particularly care who Kat sleeps with but I find it interesting that she's offended that Adrienne shared a story where she can't even deny the facts because she was black out drunk, but it's perfectly acceptable for her to get on camera with how titillating it is that Adrienne has a lesssssbian side.

 

 

I agree on all that, however I think the reason why it's "titillating" about Adrienne is because she was such a tight ass the entire season until a lesbian crew came on board and then she did a 360.  And now she's scissoring on a bed and asking to take a photo of it.  

 

The crew had never seen Adrienne like that before, so I totally get why this is being talked about.  She became a party animal with the lesbian group.  And if she's still claiming to only be her boyfriend of course it will get talked about.

Edited September 28, 2014 by sasha206

[ZoloftBlob]

Right so its ok for everyone to tee hee over Adrienne scissoring but its slut shaming a women for being sexual to tee hee over Kat giving a blow job while black out drunk?

 

That's where I am having the disconnect.

[fliptopbox]

Right so its ok for everyone to tee hee over Adrienne scissoring but its slut shaming a women for being sexual to tee hee over Kat giving a blow job while black out drunk?

 

That's where I am having the disconnect.

I'm right there with you. If Kat had been in total control of herself about this blowjob then whatever. I don't care cos it was her choice. But it's the fact that she was so drunk she blacked out is what is bugging me. And being so drunk that you don't remember your behavior is not something to be proud of. That indicates a legit drinking problem. Kat may want to lay off the booze.

[Diane Mars]

Am I the only one thinking that Kat felt bad because of her drunkness this night, and NOT about the BJ ?

[sasha206]

Right so its ok for everyone to tee hee over Adrienne scissoring but its slut shaming a women for being sexual to tee hee over Kat giving a blow job while black out drunk?

 

That's where I am having the disconnect.

 

What's the disconnect? Slut is a negative and a bad one.  Basically you are saying she sleeps with anything that has a pulse.  But who is saying that Adrienne is banging every thing with a pulse?  No one.

 

It's not that she is bisexual (if she's that).  It's that she seemed rather asexual and then wham, she's scissoring.  No one is calling her a slut.  And she's not.  But for someone who had a boyfriend and didn't seem to exude any sexuality at all, when the lesbian crew came on board she let her hair down and seemed to go running out of the closet happily towards them.  That's the difference.  And that's why it's talked about and tee hee'd about.   Watching her that particular episode makes it look like maybe she is now discovering what she may truly be sexually.

 

And no one is shaming Adrienne over it. 

Edited September 28, 2014 by sasha206

[ZoloftBlob]

And no one is shaming Adrienne over it.

 

Really? I got a very nasty vibe off the crew that knew Adrienne over it. Including Kat. I think a number of them, including Captain Lee, had a problem with her possible homosexuality and that's why they all were just about having the vapors over how awful the guests were.

 

And personally I don't care that Kat gave out a blow job but I will say something very judgmental about someone who *can't remember* if she gave a man a blow job because she was too black out drunk to recall. And that judgemental thing is that if you don't want people snickering about how you gave a blow job to some guy while you were drunk, then maybe you should be more careful about your drinking so you can at least proudly affirm your sexuality, or deny the story with some plausibility.

[fliptopbox]

I don't think anyone had an issue over Adrienne's sexuality. Whatever it may be. If she enjoys taking scissoring pics with her friends then good for her. It's tacky, but not harmful. I think the issue was regardless of the sexual behavior they were being obnoxious and rude and acting like entitled douchebags. I couldn't care less who someone chooses to take to bed, but if they acted the way those people were on charter then I wouldn't choose to be around them at all. And I certainly wouldn't want to have to serve them, in any way.

Edited September 28, 2014 by fliptopbox

[Petunia13]

Let's get real here. Very wealthy people and flashy personalities charter these luxury yachts so the fact Kate, Kat, and Ben get all judgy and bitch about their behavior and requests is ridiculous. It kinda hints they don't have much experience or aren't cut out for the luxury service industry. I imagine if they one day had a guest or clients like Mariah Carey, Justin Bieber, Michael Jordan or one of the porn manufacturers where they are very demanding, precise, and outrageous they couldn't hack it.

Edited September 28, 2014 by Petunia13

[ZoloftBlob]

And I certainly wouldn't want to have to serve them, in any way.

 

But that's the breaks in a service job. Believe me I know, I work with the people who can afford these charters and believe me - you either get used to it and let it roll off your back, or you get your ass fired for bitchily towel penising your guest's bed and or for telling your guest how fucking displeased you are at how they invited someone you don't like.

 

Seriously, considering how much the charter likely costs, I wouldn't be shocked if these guests ramped up the obnoxious behavior when it became blindingly obvious the crew openly thought they were all low class scum.

[fliptopbox]

That's just the point. These bitchy stews chose their job. They know it's their job to cater to the guests and they do nothing but complain about them. Even Kate, who is supposed to be the head bitch in charge. Running around with her superiority hat on doesn't make her look any better at her job, and you're right. If any legit rich people or famous people were on that boat their demands would probably be just as outrageous. But that's the job. These stews need to either get over themselves or get new jobs in a different industry.

 

All I know is that I don't have the personality for it. If someone would act that way towards me and expect me to suffer with a smile they've got another thing coming.

[ZoloftBlob]

 I get you, but a lot of it is setting your expectations and not allowing behaviors to upset you. Kate, for example, is perfectly correct when she says she is burned out on yachting. She clearly is and she is letting really normal behavior upset her.

 

Her throwing the hissy over the guests who like mohitos for example. Its not an obscure drink, its not hard to make, and its not a big deal. She made it a big deal and made herself miserable over it. Likewise getting pissed that the guests asked for their clothes to be ironed. Is it part of the job description? Is it not even that unusual of a request? (I seem to recall it happening in season one with no drama)

 

To give a non Kate example, Ben's little temper tantrums over the guests who want their food plated on the table  at a specific time.... call me crazy but that doesn't seem like a guest making Ben humiliate himself or debase the honor of the kitchen.

 

In any other setting, what Kate and Ben and the rest of the crew do is basically slightly above minimum wage jobs in hotels. Instead they're on a yacht and they make decent wages along with reasonably large tips - for all the griping, they made an EXTRA 1000 dollars on top of their wages for this charter. I wouldn't mind that kind of bonus on top of six days of paid work.

[sasha206]

Really? I got a very nasty vibe off the crew that knew Adrienne over it. Including Kat. I think a number of them, including Captain Lee, had a problem with her possible homosexuality and that's why they all were just about having the vapors over how awful the guests were.

 

And personally I don't care that Kat gave out a blow job but I will say something very judgmental about someone who *can't remember* if she gave a man a blow job because she was too black out drunk to recall. And that judgemental thing is that if you don't want people snickering about how you gave a blow job to some guy while you were drunk, then maybe you should be more careful about your drinking so you can at least proudly affirm your sexuality, or deny the story with some plausibility.

 

I didn't get that feeling at all about homosexuality.  We've seen several cruises where the guests are homosexual and they weren't treated any differently.  In fact, the guests that brought Adrienne on board were the guests they loved last year.  But last year they were better behaved.  

 

Again, I think the difference was we saw a Jeckyll/Hyde thing with Adrienne and that's why it was talked about. 

 

On Kat, I'm not excusing her actions.  But I'm not all that certain that the story, as told, is really the story and not some producer driven babble.  Maybe it is.  But very few people in this world could have a harsh light shown on their 20s and not be labeled "slut" like Kat is. 

[CaliforniaLove]

The thing that makes me scratch my head about Kat being SO upset about AMY spreading shit around about the blackout BJ is that she has no proof of that. Amy has been nothing but tight - lipped about the situation. Adrienne is the one who brought it up, and as we saw, Adrienne had never even met Amy when she brought up the rumor so she obviously didn't hear it from the horse's mouth...and who is even to say if Amy even spread it to anyone 4 years ago?! As we've seen, they all see & hear everything each other does in those tight quarters, and if Kat was blackout BJ-ing on THE BOAT, what were the odds that Amy was the only one privy to it when it happened?

[ZoloftBlob]

didn't get that feeling at all about homosexuality.  We've seen several cruises where the guests are homosexual and they weren't treated any differently.  In fact, the guests that brought Adrienne on board were the guests they loved last year.  But last year they were better behaved.

 

In retrospect - I think the full on hate for the guests started when the guests dared like Adrienne.

 

Their behavior was no worse than any other charter and certainly better than the folks who brought drugs on season one, and the prior demanding guests who wanted mohitos and the dude who dared to insist dinner be served when he wanted it.

[sasha206]

In retrospect - I think the full on hate for the guests started when the guests dared like Adrienne.

 

Their behavior was no worse than any other charter and certainly better than the folks who brought drugs on season one, and the prior demanding guests who wanted mohitos and the dude who dared to insist dinner be served when he wanted it.

 

Well, I'm sure quite a bit of it is producer-driven drama and editing.  

[fliptopbox]

Well, I'm sure quite a bit of it is producer-driven drama and editing.  

Probably. But at the same time they can't air what never happened.

[rho]

It's not that she is bisexual (if she's that).  It's that she seemed rather asexual and then wham, she's scissoring.  No one is calling her a slut.  And she's not.  But for someone who had a boyfriend and didn't seem to exude any sexuality at all, when the lesbian crew came on board she let her hair down and seemed to go running out of the closet happily towards them.  That's the difference.  And that's why it's talked about and tee hee'd about.   Watching her that particular episode makes it look like maybe she is now discovering what she may truly be sexually.

 

And no one is shaming Adrienne over it. 

 

 

Again, I think the difference was we saw a Jeckyll/Hyde thing with Adrienne and that's why it was talked about. 

 

On Kat, I'm not excusing her actions.  But I'm not all that certain that the story, as told, is really the story and not some producer driven babble.  Maybe it is.  But very few people in this world could have a harsh light shown on their 20s and not be labeled "slut" like Kat is. 

 

I agree with most of what you said but the other crew members are definitely shaming Adrienne as they should. Not slut shaming necessarily, but she hardly raised a finger during the charters except to make lists. Then she lets loose with the guests in a way that crossed the line into 'fraternizing.' Any time we've seen a crew member go on shore with the guests, they always wear their uniform and they act as more of a chaperone than a guest. It's not an excuse to take an extra day off and her behavior with Beverly's friends last season was just as inappropriate as Kate's rocket ship, despite the guests being unconcerned. Her friendship with the guests that sexually harassed Kat was also appalling. I think Adrienne has trouble separating guests from friends. To their credit, we've never seen the other crew members fraternizing with charter guests.

 

Regarding Kat and Amy, I think they both need to grow up. It happened four years ago, and if this industry really is as small as they say, they both should have predicted they would work together again and dealt with the issue by now. They are in their 30s and they are both being incredibly immature. Amy makes it seem like Kat threw a bucket of pig's blood on her and Kat acts as if overnight, suddenly Amy stopped talking to her. There's obviously more to this blow job story but it still comes off very childish to me.

 

I find it hard to believe there was never a confrontation. Maybe there was a Kat was still drunk for that part. Maybe there wasn't and Amy jumped to the silent treatment and froze Kat out. It comes off as if they've both been stewing for four years over their failed friendship but I find that very difficult to believe.

Edited September 29, 2014 by rho

[sasha206]

I agree with most of what you said but the other crew members are definitely shaming Adrienne as they should. Not slut shaming necessarily, but she hardly raised a finger during the charters except to make lists. Then she lets loose with the guests in a way that crossed the line into 'fraternizing.' Any time we've seen a crew member go on shore with the guests, they always wear their uniform and they act as more of a chaperone than a guest. It's not an excuse to take an extra day off and her behavior with Beverly's friends last season was just as inappropriate as Kate's rocket ship, despite the guests being unconcerned. Her friendship with the guests that sexually harassed Kat was also appalling. I think Adrienne has trouble separating guests from friends. To their credit, we've never seen the other crew members fraternizing with charter guests.

 

Regarding Kat and Amy, I think they both need to grow up. It happened four years ago, and if this industry really is as small as they say, they both should have predicted they would work together again and dealt with the issue by now. They are in their 30s and they are both being incredibly immature. Amy makes it seem like Kat threw a bucket of pig's blood on her and Kat acts as if overnight, suddenly Amy stopped talking to her. There's obviously more to this blow job story but it still comes off very childish to me.

 

I find it hard to believe there was never a confrontation. Maybe there was a Kat was still drunk for that part. Maybe there wasn't and Amy jumped to the silent treatment and froze Kat out. It comes off as if they've both been stewing for four years over their failed friendship but I find that very difficult to believe.

 

Maybe they never really talked about it because Amy knew she didn't have a leg to stand on?  I mean, if there was no relationship between her and the BJ recipient, being mad at that might seem petty?  So maybe she just sort of thought, okay,  I now know her character so I'm not going to continue on with this close friendship?

[rho]

Right, I don't think they ever talked about it. It's still weird to me considering they have to work together. It was four years ago, the guy is clearly not the issue, but they are both still hung up on it.

 

Amy dangles it in everyone's face every episode. "We used to be friends but then Kat did this super mysterious evil thing that betrayed my trust forever" It's dripping with passive aggression. By not revealing the details she lets everyone's imagination run wild and then maintains the illusion that she's not starting drama. Meanwhile she's secretly raging. On the other hand, Kat's riding the denial train. Maybe it's just me but I couldn't live with the tension. I would either confront it or actually let it go and stop mentioning it altogether.

[Trooper York]

I think it is more likely that Kate is pulling the train than riding it..

 

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[sasha206]

Right, I don't think they ever talked about it. It's still weird to me considering they have to work together. It was four years ago, the guy is clearly not the issue, but they are both still hung up on it.

 

Amy dangles it in everyone's face every episode. "We used to be friends but then Kat did this super mysterious evil thing that betrayed my trust forever" It's dripping with passive aggression. By not revealing the details she lets everyone's imagination run wild and then maintains the illusion that she's not starting drama. Meanwhile she's secretly raging. On the other hand, Kat's riding the denial train. Maybe it's just me but I couldn't live with the tension. I would either confront it or actually let it go and stop mentioning it altogether.

 

Totally agree!

 

If Kat was so drunk she didn't remember a BJ, if I were Amy I'd be more worried about her drinking problem and less worried that the guy I liked just let some drunk girl give him a BJ.  Why didn't she confront her the minute Kat sobered up?  I'd be willing to bet it wasn't the first time a guy she liked went for Kat. I'm not throwing Kat under the slut bus, but I would bet the guys on the cruises all have girlfriends at home and they aren't looking for a meaningful relationship that Amy would require.  

 

That said, I'm sure most of these grievances were just a blip on their screen that is magnified by the producers cause we need some drama.

[biakbiak]

Why didn't she confront her the minute Kat sobered up?

 

We have no idea whether she did or not, there was no mention of it. Kat said she didn't remember whether it was true or not when she talked to Adrienne but she clearly knew the situation that she was referring to. Amy isn't the one who brought it up and when she discussed the situation with Jennice and Eddie she mentioned that the situation told her everything she needed to know about both Kat and the guy in question.

[rho]

Amy isn't the one who brought it up and when she discussed the situation with Jennice and Eddie she mentioned that the situation told her everything she needed to know about both Kat and the guy in question.

 

That's correct, Amy didn't bring it up this time. Until Adrienne spiled the beans it looked like things were fine with Kat and Amy. At the very least they had a working relationship. But without fail, Amy brings it up in every episode, either in a TH or when the crew is off the clock. Again, that's likely because production is trying to make it a big deal. I want to like Amy but the tiff with Kat got old real fast. By the time it was revealed I didn't even care anymore. Going into this season I thought she's sweet and great with the guests but every once in a whie she pulls a weird power move like bullying Jennice into dating her brother that prompts an eye roll.

 

Kat's still blaming the alcohol. There were some alcohol induced decisions I made last week that I'm not proud of so I can't really hold anything against her that she did four years ago. I just wish we'd stop hearing the words 'blow job' every time someone turns a corner. I'm speculating, but I also don't think she cared about the friendship as much as Amy did. I think she's more intimidated by a belated confrontation because she always cringes when Amy brings it up.

 

But, based on the season preview, it looks like the girls finally get over it. There are a bunch of moments when they are giggling together so hopefully they make up or at least go back to pretending Blowjob Gate never happened.

[motorcitymom65]

That's correct, Amy didn't bring it up this time. Until Adrienne spiled the beans it looked like things were fine with Kat and Amy. At the very least they had a working relationship. But without fail, Amy brings it up in every episode, either in a TH or when the crew is off the clock. Again, that's likely because production is trying to make it a big deal. I want to like Amy but the tiff with Kat got old real fast. By the time it was revealed I didn't even care anymore. Going into this season I thought she's sweet and great with the guests but every once in a whie she pulls a weird power move like bullying Jennice into dating her brother that prompts an eye roll.

 .

Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention, but hasn't Kat brought up their prior relationship as much as Amy has? I remember her on several occasions saying things like "apparently there was a falling out and I was not informed" or some such variation. The person who has seemed the most interested in talking about it and in getting to the bottom of things was Kate.

[sasha206]

Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention, but hasn't Kat brought up their prior relationship as much as Amy has? I remember her on several occasions saying things like "apparently there was a falling out and I was not informed" or some such variation. The person who has seemed the most interested in talking about it and in getting to the bottom of things was Kate.

 

She did.

 

I guess I took it as Kat didn't know why there was a falling out as though it wasn't never discussed.  Then upon hearing Adrienne telling the story, it was a vague memory to her. And now she understands why she was mad.  In addition to another sad reminder of her issues with alcohol.

 

I'm sure all of us have ruffled someone's feathers w/o knowing why and that person just didn't feel like getting into a confrontation so they just stewed on it.  

Edited September 30, 2014 by sasha206

[rho]

I guess I took it as Kat didn't know why there was a falling out as though it wasn't never discussed.  Then upon hearing Adrienne telling the story, it was a vague memory to her. And now she understands why she was mad.  In addition to another sad reminder of her issues with alcohol.

 

I'm sure all of us have ruffled someone's feathers w/o knowing why and that person just didn't feel like getting into a confrontation so they just stewed on it.  

 

I get the same impression. Kat woke up hungover the next day, Amy's giving her the silent treatment and it's like their friendship dissolved overnight. She has an inkling that alcohol was involved but doesn't remember the details. Obviously we will never know the real story but I'm convinced it's a lot like the Kate/Amy debacle in last week's episode where one of them wants to talk but the other is upset. Then when they finally comes around, it's too little too late and the cycle of butthurt continues.

 

Whatever the case, I think the stews are taking their title a little too literally

[Maharincess]

In retrospect - I think the full on hate for the guests started when the guests dared like Adrienne.

Their behavior was no worse than any other charter and certainly better than the folks who brought drugs on season one, and the prior demanding guests who wanted mohitos and the dude who dared to insist dinner be served when he wanted it.

Somebody from season one brought drugs on board? Who was it? I don't know how I missed that one.

[Diane Mars]

Somebody from season one brought drugs on board? Who was it? I don't know how I missed that one.

IF i'm not mistaken, it was in S01ep01 !

[Mrs peel]

I'm generally on the "Amy" side of this debate, but wanted to step in to say that I did feel for Kat during the dinner service.  A number of the charter guests were making references to blow jobs, and she was definitely (and understandably) uncomfortable.

 

I can't remember where Kate was at that time, but she should have removed Kat from the situation.

 

But Kat, you appear to have a serious drinking problem and you need to get help.

 

I thought Kate handled things very badly.  Including dumping Kat on Jeneice (however you spell her name).  And am shocked that the Captain thought otherwise.  Either he didn't see everything, or there was far more that we didn't see.

 

[RedHawk]

I feel quite sure that Kat remembered nothing of "The Blowjob that Broke Amy's Heart" and was bewildered about Amy's sudden coldness. But, being a black-out drunk who probably has been told she's done a number of embarrassing things while drunk, she chose to just move forward and not ask any questions. Amy could have confronted her openly the day after, and apparently did not, so I say a big "Get over it!" to Amy that she's still holding a grudge 4 YEARS later. Sure it hurt at the time, and she had a right to tell Kat that, but 4 years is about 3 years and 11 months too late for me or anyone else to give a shit about her little trauma.

[ZoloftBlob]

Sure it hurt at the time, and she had a right to tell Kat that, but 4 years is about 3 years and 11 months too late for me or anyone else to give a shit about her little trauma.

 

I'm going to disagree a little bit. Just a little, because I do come from a place where not every bad thing that happens to you should be held onto for extra drama points. But... when I was a 20ish something, something very similar happened to me. A not very close friend decided to attach herself to my boyfriend who to be fair, I was amicably breaking up with. I nicely asked since she was moving out in a week if she could hold off flinging the late night arrivals in my face for *that week* just so I didn't have to deal with the knowledge of knowing she's banging the guy who pretty much dumped me because I wasn't putting out.  My female pal assures me thats not the case at all and proceeds to arrive home at 2-4am every night until she moves out. She was screwing him, I know because she got pregnant almost instantly. Was he a jerk and no good for me? Sure. Was she a not very good friend at all? Sure. But it is still a sucky memory and I sure as hell wouldn't allow everyone to think *I* was victimizing her (which also happened - two years down the road she let my exboyfriend's boss - and my boss - know that I was the reason her husband had left her, and no, that was a lie) when in fact I had done nothing wrong. Amy did nothing wrong in liking a guy who was kind of a jerk. If Kat knew she liked the guy, then Kat probably wasn't in the right to suck his cock where Amy could find them... no matter how proud she is to be sexual or how black out drunk she was. "I don't remember because I was drunk" is a terrible excuse for *anything* and its clearly not an apology from Kat and since Kat is the one who came back to the ship and let everyone know how she blew Amy's guy... I can see why Amy might be a little pissed in the here and now over that being revealed so bluntly.

[RedHawk]

 

...since Kat is the one who came back to the ship and let everyone know how she blew Amy's guy... I can see why Amy might be a little pissed in the here and now over that being revealed so bluntly.

I hadn't thought about that. It wasn't Amy who revealed the reason she's acted professionally but coldly toward Kat, but Kat who spewed the story to her co-workers. Amy had a right at that point to be angry with Kat for bringing the incident out into the open, although Amy of course told Adrienne about it at some point, and Adrienne clearly relished passing along that salacious gossip about Kat.

Edited October 2, 2014 by RedHawk

[biakbiak]

Amy of course told Adrienne about it at some point,

 

Amy had never met Adrienne before. It's a small gossipy community anyone could have told Adrienne. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if when people crew with people for the first time they ask their friends if they know the people that they don't know and they dish stories that they have heard. Hell I imagine that everyone on the crew at the time of the incident knew the situation so any number of people could have shared the story, not just people that Amy told. 

[ketose]

All I know? I s that none of these crew people deserved a tip for this charter and I don't give a shit if the Primary Guest was comped by Bravo or not. All fucking season, all these people have done is bitch about their jobs. ALL SEASON. Oh fucking heavens, the guests want to play on the inflatable water slide and its a pain in our ass to set it up - the guests are paying what? 100k (in theory) for a 5 day trip? The guests want a fucking mohito and you sit there bitching how fucking hilarious it is that they paid 100k and you've been serving them "slop" that you're making with basil and mint extract, and whining that god forbid, the guests who are paying for you to iron their shit actually ask for their clothes to be ironed and you proudly note how fucking low class you think it is for people not used to luxury to actually insist on the privileges they are paying for. Oh boo hoo, a prior guest liked Adrienne and invited her to the ship. And god forbid Adrienne actually enjoyed herself. I didn't see anything high handed like insisting Kat or Ben serve her or redo anything, and even the guests noted that Captain Lee was totally pissy with them... well, what exactly were they paying for? The crew's judgmental attitude?

 

It's your job, when you at tending rich people, to smile and like it. No one in this group was what I consider to be personally obnoxious - I get why Kate was pissed about the bitch remark from the prior charter, for example, but really, all this group did wrong was *like* Adrienne and the crew merrily shit on them on a tv show for it.Captain Lee needs to get down off his high horse and realize Kat lied to him last year about being drunk, and Kate lied this year about being pissed and putting a towel penis on the guest bed.

To me, the bitching about your job is the only "real" part of this show. My mom worked in various customer service jobs and there's one universal truth. If you are annoying to people, they will talk shit about you behind your back or after you leave. The whole point of the show for me is the bitching about spoiled rich classless clods. It's the reason Bravo has to pay the charters. If they talked about paying customers like this and it was aired, the company would get their ass sued.

[RedHawk]

I like the bitching, too, and get a big kick out of Kate's attitude toward the guests. Her sarcasm is hilarious! Even Ben gets in on the bitch-fest, and Amy has admitted that her 1,000-watt smile is fake half the time. Look at poor Capt. Lee and his often tight-lipped smile when he has to dine with the guests. Imagine what he's thinking. I think it's a riot!

[sasha206]

I like the bitching, too, and get a big kick out of Kate's attitude toward the guests. Her sarcasm is hilarious! Even Ben gets in on the bitch-fest, and Amy has admitted that her 1,000-watt smile is fake half the time. Look at poor Capt. Lee and his often tight-lipped smile when he has to dine with the guests. Imagine what he's thinking. I think it's a riot!

 

Amen.

 

If they were all sunshine and puppies, who would watch?