S05.E10: All Who Wander

[txhorns79]

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Judd literally walks straight into the line of fire when an armory catches on fire, sending bullets flying everywhere; Owen questions Judd's pledge of sobriety; Marjan introduces her boyfriend Joe to her visiting parents.

Aired 1/20/25

[KeithJ]

Joe?  Who is this guy?  Have we even seen him before and now he and Marjan are married?  They’re really trying to cram a lot in these last few episodes aren’t they?

This storyline with Judd really sucks too. I know the actress who plays Grace didn’t want to come back but that was no reason to destroy Judd.

Edited January 21 by KeithJ

[threebluestars]

Do they do ANY real rescues on this show anymore???? What a waste of time.

[txhorns79]

47 minutes ago, KeithJ said:

Joe?  Who is this guy?  Have we even seen him before and now he and Marjan are married?  

I looked it up.  The character last appeared in 2023, so it is not surprising you forgot him.  (Apparently he is Natacha Karam's real life boyfriend).  The whole thing felt very rushed, and I'd agree they are trying to essentially close out Marjan's storyline as they approach the end.  On a more shallow note, I did think Natacha looked beautiful with her hair down and uncovered after the wedding.  Marjan rarely gets that kind of storyline so you forget how gorgeous the actress is.

I can't even with Judd.  How old is his daughter to be given decision making authority about where she is going to live?  And more seriously, even if Judd didn't say anything about his failed attempt to contact Grace, why have Grace's other friends not told her how bad things have gotten for him?  It's just ridiculous.

[possibilities]

So we have one cancer, one alcoholism, one marriage-- all out of nowhere. 

And I don't see how reviving someone with CPR is a sign from God. A sign of what? That CPR works?

 

[agathapenny]

38 minutes ago, possibilities said:

So we have one cancer, one alcoholism, one marriage-- all out of nowhere. 

And I don't see how reviving someone with CPR is a sign from God. A sign of what? That CPR works?

 

I cannot tell you how much I hate this season. It's all awful, abrupt, and perfunctory.

And can I just say that if Judd staying sober is reliant on signs from God, well, he's not going to succeed. I actually thought there was a really interesting point buried in there about what someone who doesn't believe in God, or a higher power, is supposed to do about their addiction and how that could be a struggle, but no, everyone neat and tidily believes in God again by the end of the episode, because, you know, signs from the universe nonsense.

[marceline]

12 hours ago, threebluestars said:

Do they do ANY real rescues on this show anymore???? What a waste of time.

They rescued that girl encased in plaster. I remember being excited that they were actually going out on a call. Plus there was the CPR on the minister which ended up being more about Judd and his crisis of faith.

The wedding was lovely, if completely ridiculous. They had to get married at the firehouse? Marjan has a mosque she attends doesn't she? I know it's probably more about budget constraints but still. They just take a whole firehouse out of rotation? They manage to pull together a cake, catering, and choreographed traditional dance in a day.

This show loves to throw weird parties. I keep thinking of TK's birthday party.

Edited Tuesday at 04:43 PM by marceline

[DanaK]

I hadn't realized or had forgotten that Marjan was of Lebanese heritage so it was interesting to watch a Lebanese Muslim wedding

[UnknownK]

Am I the only one who doesn't need every story line and character tied up into a happy ever after scenario because the show is ending?

You can tell the budget got slashed because of the lack of rescues and cast not returning.

[eel2178]

14 hours ago, KeithJ said:

Joe?  Who is this guy?  Have we even seen him before and now he and Marjan are married?  

He was her physical therapist after she got shot by a psycho while she was on her vision quest on Owen's motorcycle last year.

15 hours ago, KeithJ said:

They’re really trying to cram a lot in these last few episodes aren’t they?

Now, if the whole team dies in the final 2 episodes, Marjan won't die a virgin.

[eel2178]

3 hours ago, possibilities said:

I don't see how reviving someone with CPR is a sign from God. A sign of what? That CPR works?

I'll have to repeat my usual rant about how that isn't how CPR works. No one suddenly wakes up during CPR and says "I'm fine now. You can stop pressing on my chest" with maybe "you're my hero" thrown in for good measure.

[marceline]

10 minutes ago, eel2178 said:

I'll have to repeat my usual rant about how that isn't how CPR works. No one suddenly wakes up during CPR and says "I'm fine now. You can stop pressing on my chest" with maybe "you're my hero" thrown in for good measure.

The last time I took a CPR class they warned us that you have to break ribs. Of course that's back when we were taught to breathe into the person's mouth so maybe other things have changed too.

If there are only two episodes left I wonder what Tommy's fate is going to be.

[tennisgurl]

I'm so glad that other people kind of remember Joe, he showed up and I had no clue who he was, I thought he was a totally new character. I guess I'm happy that Marjan finally got an actual plot, but I really wish that it wasn't the happy ending of a romance that we never actually saw. I am SO glad we spent all of the time we could have spent building this relationship on TK randomly adopting his brother and being a shitty husband while Tommy's relationship falls apart and immediately gets cancer. So glad...

Marjan did look really beautiful and it was cool to see some Lebanese Muslim wedding traditions, even if they had to use the fire station, presumably because of budget reasons, but it mostly made me sad at how underused she's been. 

I hate that this is the story they gave Judd before the show ends, and I hate how this hurts Grace so much as a character. I know that the actress left, but her leaving her young daughter and husband who has mountains on his plate already has never sat right with me, but now its even worse that she's hardly even returning Judd's calls and their daughter has left him. None of their friends have been in touch with her? Even if most people don't know about his drinking problem, it cant be a secret that he's lonely and miserable. 

We did finally get an actual rescue at least, so that's something at least. And even a kind of rescue with the pastor, even if that was more of a connection with Judd's story. If only we had gotten more of that instead of more soap opera nonsense, this show wouldn't be ending on such a downer. 

[gonzosgirrl]

I haven't watched the episode yet, but from reading here... aren't Tommy and Grace supposed to be each others' ride-or-die BFFs?

[Pepper the Cat]

1 hour ago, eel2178 said:

I'll have to repeat my usual rant about how that isn't how CPR works. No one suddenly wakes up during CPR and says "I'm fine now. You can stop pressing on my chest" with maybe "you're my hero" thrown in for good measure.

Exactly! CPR when done correctly breaks ribs.

[marceline]

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I haven't watched the episode yet, but from reading here... aren't Tommy and Grace supposed to be each others' ride-or-die BFFs?

That's something that really doesn't sit right with me. I know there's no way around it but there's no way Grace's "calling" is more important to her than her daughter and her friend fighting cancer. Even if for some reason she chose to stay away (she wouldn't) she would at least call and video chat ever chance she could. She would never leave Tommy to deal with this on her own.

[Crashcourse]

And what about her husband?  Why would she leave him?

[gonzosgirrl]

52 minutes ago, marceline said:

That's something that really doesn't sit right with me. I know there's no way around it but there's no way Grace's "calling" is more important to her than her daughter and her friend fighting cancer. Even if for some reason she chose to stay away (she wouldn't) she would at least call and video chat ever chance she could. She would never leave Tommy to deal with this on her own.

Same for Tommy not telling Grace about Judd, or call her out for leaving her daughter and husband to flounder.

[Artsda]

Judd is an alcoholic suddenly? His daughter chose to live with grandparents? Isn't she a toddler? 

They're really writing Grace bad.  Abandoned her daughter, her husband, stepson in wheelchair, and best friend in chemo? 

I remember Marjan starting to date Jo, but forgot now they're married. They're rushing to tie up loose ends. 

[possibilities]

I really thought that when they posed the question of what to do when you need help from a power greater than yourself, but don't believe in God... that they would say that your commmunity is a power greater than you, that Judd is not alone, that he has to open up to and accept help from the community-- not just Hero Owen, but also the people in his addiction recovery meeting, and all his friends. 

It would even have been in keeping with the show's general tone of friends = family.

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They didn't have to go this way with Grace or Judd. Grace could have been off camera, ditto the kid, with references to home life but only showing Judd at work or elsewhere. They had Tommy off camnera most of the episode. It would have been easy to say that Grace had just left, when the new shift of friends arrived with the scarf. It's not that hard. They chose to do the maudlin sudden cancer and alcoholism stories and the marriage of Marjan out of nowhere, and every other stupid thng they did this season.

I don't think that fire at the ammunition warehouse was cheap, either. They could do rescues if they wanted to. They don't all have to be flashy and expensive. Someone lying on the floor, or sitting in their car, or standing on a ledge, or they fell outdoors or whatever-- they have done those in the past and they could do them now. But they want to be a soap opera, not a rescue show, I guess.

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:47 PM by possibilities

[mrsbagnet]

I had to LOL when Owen asked Judd if his daughter had "moved out," as if she got fed up, packed her bags, and got her own place.

Edited Wednesday at 04:52 AM by mrsbagnet

[agathapenny]

5 hours ago, Artsda said:

Judd is an alcoholic suddenly? His daughter chose to live with grandparents? Isn't she a toddler? 

Last we saw, the daughter was maybe saying a few words, not even sentences, lol.

23 minutes ago, mrsbagnet said:

I had LOL when Owen asked Judd if his daughter had "moved out," as if she got fed up, packed her bags, and got her own place.

Yup, ridiculous. And people talk about how bad this whole thing makes Grace seem (which it does) but I also don't ever see Judd abandoning his daughter, who must be completely traumatized by losing all of the constant parental figures in her life.

5 hours ago, possibilities said:

I really thought that when they posed the question of what to do when you need help from a power greater than yourself, but don't believe in God... that they would say that your commmunity is a power greater than you, that Judd is not alone, that he has to open up to and accept help from the community-- not just Hero Owen, but also the people in his addiction recovery meeting, and all his friends. 

It would even have been in keeping with the show's general tone of friends = family.

Agreed. Instead they abandoned the question altogether.

5 hours ago, possibilities said:

I don't think that fire at the ammunition warehouse was cheap, either. They could do rescues if they wanted to. They don't all have to be flashy and expensive. Someone lying on the floor, or sitting in their car, or standing on a ledge, or they fell outdoors or whatever-- they have done those in the past and they could do them now. But they want to be a soap opera, not a rescue show, I guess.

Not sure why this and the mothership have severely curtailed/abandoned the rescues that built this franchise. Bizarre choice, since it seems to be a big complaint from....well....everybody.

[gonzosgirrl]

And now I've seen the episode, and, uh, sure, okay? This entire end run is like watching a car wreck in slow motion, but one where all the drivers, the mechanics and the car manufacturers themselves are to blame so you don't care what happens to them. What are they thinking? Judd is not just drinking too much because his current circumstances blow, he's a violent, raging alcoholic, drinking alone in the dark. Tommy couldn't just break up with the boyfriend, she had to get cancer. Marjan isn't just happily engaged (to someone we've barely seen), it's the deepest, most profound love in the history of ever and they must get married TODAY!!  I honestly DGAF about TK and Ranger Rick anymore, so whatever. I guess all that is left now is for Owen to move back to NY to be anointed King of the Firefighters.

[iMonrey]

16 hours ago, possibilities said:

They chose to do the maudlin sudden cancer and alcoholism stories and the marriage of Marjan out of nowhere, and every other stupid thing they did this season.

Maybe this wouldn't seem abrupt and out of the blue if they hadn't spent the first nine episodes of this season on Carlos' obsession with finding his father's killer.

I agree with everyone - the show would have been better off just killing Grace off camera. Grieving could have been Judd's big story instead of this crap which just makes Grace look like a selfish asshole who doesn't care about her husband or daughter. (Interesting, the actress must have given her permission for them to use her photo. Maybe she'll show up in the finale?)

I know this is technically correct but why do 911 operators and cops say GSW instead of gun shot wound? How is that shorter? GSW has five syllables, gun show wound has three. 

Marjan's wedding dress was gorgeous but I did not remember Joe, at all. Again - the entire front half of this season revolved around Carlos for some unfathomable reason. The show isn't even pretending it's a first responder show anymore.

[agathapenny]

11 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

And now I've seen the episode, and, uh, sure, okay? This entire end run is like watching a car wreck in slow motion, but one where all the drivers, the mechanics and the car manufacturers themselves are to blame so you don't care what happens to them. What are they thinking? 

It's like they want people to be glad when it's over. And it's kinda working, lol.

[fastiller]

On 1/22/2025 at 11:22 AM, gonzosgirrl said:

And now I've seen the episode, and, uh, sure, okay? This entire end run is like watching a car wreck in slow motion, but one where all the drivers, the mechanics and the car manufacturers themselves are to blame so you don't care what happens to them. What are they thinking? Judd is not just drinking too much because his current circumstances blow, he's a violent, raging alcoholic, drinking alone in the dark. Tommy couldn't just break up with the boyfriend, she had to get cancer. Marjan isn't just happily engaged (to someone we've barely seen), it's the deepest, most profound love in the history of ever and they must get married TODAY!!  I honestly DGAF about TK and Ranger Rick anymore, so whatever. I guess all that is left now is for Owen to move back to NY to be anointed King of the Firefighters.

 

On 1/22/2025 at 10:37 PM, agathapenny said:

It's like they want people to be glad when it's over. And it's kinda working, lol.

Over in Murder in a Small Town,  SnarkShark called that show "mediocre".  Sometimes I want a bit of mediocre TV.  What I don't want is the awful mess TV that 9-1-1 Lone Star has turned into.  I've yet to see this latest ep (not sure I'll seek it out On Demand) but the previous few episodes truly are slow motion car wreck material.

[Kel Varnsen]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:18 AM, agathapenny said:

And can I just say that if Judd staying sober is reliant on signs from God, well, he's not going to succeed. I actually thought there was a really interesting point buried in there about what someone who doesn't believe in God, or a higher power, is supposed to do about their addiction and how that could be a struggle, but no, everyone neat and tidily believes in God again by the end of the episode, because, you know, signs from the universe nonsense.

For that matter if he needs Owen to live with him so he doesn't drink is that at all sustainable? I also wondered if when Grace called he actually told her how much he was struggling or if he kept a brave face for her. Because dealing with alcoholism seems like something you shouldn't hide from your partner, even if you are in recovery.

On 1/21/2025 at 2:21 PM, eel2178 said:

I'll have to repeat my usual rant about how that isn't how CPR works. No one suddenly wakes up during CPR and says "I'm fine now. You can stop pressing on my chest" with maybe "you're my hero" thrown in for good measure.

Yea that seemed more like the magic of TV than an act of God. I used to be a lifeguard and I remember them telling us that at best CPR can delay death until the person gets actual medical attention. And although it was like 20 years ago surely CPR techniques haven't improved that much. Plus what was with just standing around once the guy came to. Surely they have oxygen tanks and other equipment in the house they could have brought to him.

Also why was Judd wearing a bullet proof vest in the ammo building call? I don't think they ever commented on it and it seemed weird. 

[eel2178]

2 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

what was with just standing around once the guy came to. Surely they have oxygen tanks and other equipment in the house they could have brought to him.

Before they started chest compressions, they should have intubated him and been bagging him with 100% oxygen.

That's the first thing that gets drilled into your head in Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS) which any first responder would be required to have mastered before the first day on the job. How quickly they forget their training!