S5.E10: Kiss Kiss, Bangs Bangs

[Natalie68]

40 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

I doubt it, as well. She was screaming at Mary's party after her husband admonished her for screaming in Palm Springs. Todd might not film too much though, if she is invited for a second season.

Watched Daily Dose of Dana last night. She spoke to a producer and the cast never buy the plane tickets. I guess it is some liability.  Bronwyn did apparently upgrade she and Todd. Dana opined that they may not have known they were going to film the return trip so they only got the private plane for the trip there to show off.  Show off!  You got it, flaunt it. Bronwyn also was wanting on the show as far back as 2020 so she has watched from the beginning. Studying etc.

I watched this ep last night.  I don't know wtf happened with Mary, but I am really enjoying her. Meredith and those bangs!  Was she high as a kite and just plopped them there?  I find her irrelevant.  I am liking Angie this season.  The scene with her dad was sad.  He seems like a nice man.  Side note, I love her daughters name.  Britni, woah. Thirsty as hell, irritates me, is weird, tragic plastic surgery. I think I spelled her name wrong, but I am guessing she is one and done so meh, it is fine.  Whitney, who I normally don't enjoy, had me cracking up with her Meredith impressions.  Pretty good!  Lisa is someone who really is HW material.  Cannot read a room, loud, questionable wealth, kinda dumb. Heather needs to go. Her personality left with her excess weight. She thinks she is head bitch in charge but nah.  No storyline, mean, giant ego. We saw the show is just fine without her in Palm Springs. I would like them to bring back Monica.  Give her an actual reason to be nasty. 

People we don't need to see:  husbands

Edited November 22 by Natalie68

[ichbin]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

17 hours ago, ichbin said:

I believe she is still married. She did have a first marriage that ended in divorce, but that was a long time ago.

Britani was married from 2016 to 2023 (second marriage). The ex spouses are suing each other now. 

Those comments about the marriage were actually made in reference to Mary, not Britani.
 

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Calling someone out or bluntly addressing someone doesn't always have to have some sort of problematic connotation attached to it.

I am stuck on her stating that he does not allow her to show emotion off camera  within their private life as well. 

They are free to live their live as they choose and under any type of arrangement which suits them.  At the same time others are free to recognize that the situation appears problematic both off camera as well as on.

[Chatty Cake]

I liked Bronwyn at first but her high end lifestyle comes with a hefty price tag. Who cares if you have a jeweler on speed dial or a credit card to upgrade to first class if you’re not allowed to be yourself?

 

[65mickey]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Watched Daily Dose of Dana last night. She spoke to a producer and the cast never buy the plane tickets. I guess it is some liability.  Bronwyn did apparently upgrade she and Todd. Dana opined that they may not have known they were going to film the return trip so they only got the private plane for the trip there to show off.  Show off!  You got it, flaunt it. Bronwyn also was wanting on the show as far back as 2020 so she has watched from the beginning. Studying etc.

 

So Bronwyn is a fake. It wasn't her GD credit card that bought the return tickets. 

[SemiCharmedLife]

55 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

So Bronwyn is a fake. It wasn't her GD credit card that bought the return tickets. 

I think it was her credit card that upgraded them.  I generally don't like it when some HWs treat themselves better than their guests, but I will give her a pass since it was their anniversary.  It would be interesting to know how much of a cast trip is provided by the HW and how much by Bravo.

[Palimelon]

I remember on Potomac on one cast trip to Europe, two of the HWs on that flight upgraded themselves to First Class from Business Class, which the other HWs were not happy about.

[sugarbaker design]

36 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

I think it was her credit card that upgraded them.

Right, Bravo provided the airfare but it was Bronwyn's GD credit card that upgraded the tickets to first class.

[Natalie68]

50 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

Right, Bravo provided the airfare but it was Bronwyn's GD credit card that upgraded the tickets to first class.

It sounded like Heather was implying Bronwyn should have upgraded everyone.  That isn't how this works Heather.

[65mickey]

I don't think that is what Heather implied. She thought that Bronwyn bought all of the tickets and just bought first class for her and her husband. It seems like Bronwyn didn't buy any of the tickets but upgraded hers. I guess she. didn't want to  own up to that.

[albarino]

7 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I watched this ep last night.  I don't know wtf happened with Mary, but I am really enjoying her. Meredith and those bangs!  Was she high as a kite and just plopped them there?  I find her irrelevant.  I am liking Angie this season.  The scene with her dad was sad.  He seems like a nice man.  Side note, I love her daughters name.  Britni, woah. Thirsty as hell, irritates me, is weird, tragic plastic surgery. I think I spelled her name wrong, but I am guessing she is one and done so meh, it is fine.  Whitney, who I normally don't enjoy, had me cracking up with her Meredith impressions.  Pretty good!  Lisa is someone who really is HW material.  Cannot read a room, loud, questionable wealth, kinda dumb. Heather needs to go. Her personality left with her excess weight. She thinks she is head bitch in charge but nah.  No storyline, mean, giant ego. We saw the show is just fine without her in Palm Springs. I would like them to bring back Monica.  Give her an actual reason to be nasty. 

 

Interesting perspective because my perspective is just about opposite of yours (and I'm not trying to argue).  

I've never warmed up to Angie so her crying left me cold--and I can cry at McDonald's commercials--I just thought she should have gone to therapy before emoting all over the place about how her mother drank herself to death.  Wonder what her sibs think about it and wonder why she drinks as an adult.  Just an observation.

I'm liking seeing but not hearing from or about Whitney.  Not sure what the whole grabbing the phone thing was about but I don't think I'd like somebody grabbing my phone either.

I've liked Heather and still do.  I would not have opened the lunch with bringing up the trip but It was rude of Bronwyn to exclude her.  To be honest, I haven't watched this closely enough to know or remember what Bronwyn needed to hear from Heather in order for her to be included in the trip but c'mon.  Since I question Bronwyn's taste, I naturally question her judgement.

And I don't know what is wrong with me but did Mary seem like the voice of reason this episode?

 

 

[Crazydoxielady]

I remember when Heather began in season one I found her witty and candid. I actually said out loud that she was my favorite housewife of all time. Although she’s lived a life far different from my own she seemed relatable. As the seasons have progressed she became vile, full of uncomfortable looking fillers, & spewing popular girl vitriol. To watch her “refuse to give her birthday” is ridiculous. She was in high school when Angie was, so within a year or two of Ang, and there’s her age. She really wanted to alpha Bronwyn. Heather may be loquacious but that’s all it is…fast talking deflecting BS. Bronwyn is the new generation and Heather is out of her mind watching it all evolve. As Bronwyn stated the facts and continued to invite Heather to try again and be friends, Madame Flowers was forced to back down. For now. 
The octopus on Meredith’s head needed to be thrown back into the ocean. 
Mary 2.0 is coming into her own. I loved her giving nitwit What About Meeeeeee the floor and actually letting everyone air out grievances. It went left when Meredith’s insistence of her continued innocence of using toddler Brooks as a shield after her thinly veiled threat of outing Angie’s huzzbin backfired. It’s been a moment since I’ve seen a more ungraceful yet entirely entertaining exit. 
Angie “I’m Greek” (said in WWC Ron’s stilting imitation) doubled down on outing the alcoholic mama! My goodness. She and Dorit must have gotten together & agreed to expose all the boozehounds in their lives. 

Edited November 23 by Crazydoxielady

[princelina]

On 11/22/2024 at 6:29 AM, b2H said:

Lisa rarely participates in these costume events if they don’t flatter her and let Lisa be Lisa.  She is not interested in making believe she is someone else because she believes herself to be too fabulous.

And I usually think Lisa is one of the best and most appropriately dressed at any event!  But she missed the mark for sure tonight.  She could have dressed up like Mary and Whitney did without putting on fake bangs 😂. That turquoise thing is just ugly.  "Fendi" or not.  And Heather looked like she was dressed for an apres-ski party.

On 11/22/2024 at 1:55 PM, ichbin said:

I am stuck on her stating that he does not allow her to show emotion off camera  within their private life as well. 

I thought she was referring to the "private" conversation the two of them were having on camera 😄

Angie shouldn't be "outing" her mom on camera, and Mary's son should not be on this show either.  As for Famous Designer Brooks Marks,  no one gives a care about him, his sexuality or his name-tape designer fashions.  His mother is indeed miserable, as well as a projector of everything awful about herself onto others.  I did enjoy Whitney's impression of her though!

[Yours Truly]

On 11/22/2024 at 1:55 PM, ichbin said:

 

I am stuck on her stating that he does not allow her to show emotion off camera  within their private life as well. 

They are free to live their live as they choose and under any type of arrangement which suits them.  At the same time others are free to recognize that the situation appears problematic both off camera as well as on.

Problematic for who though? I'm not interested in hearing the cast latch onto details about her marriage in a way that tries to make it seem scary or dangerous. Again, problematic or not, I doubt Browynn is in need of intervention or is in a dangerous situation and I'd rather not have the women steer it down that path for a storyline. 

A distasteful arrangement for me may not be for someone else. Honestly, I'm of the camp of play the role you said you were gonna play and keep it pushing. If Browynn is unhappy with her situation then she's got complete agency over her faculties to change it and I'm not gonna be all wide eye about her marriage as if there's something that needs outside interference. 

Would I choose Browynn's arrangement? Nope but that doesn't mean I don't think Browynn should be in said arrangement. Make your bed, lie in it and get a 4 million dollar necklace for your trouble. Simple.  I mean, that's the deal right? So nope, not even the slightest bit interested in Browynn's "obvious" marital pitfalls. That whole marriage has Captain Obvious written all over it so it's not even worth the pearl clutching. 

[Yours Truly]

On 11/22/2024 at 2:19 PM, Chatty Cake said:

I liked Bronwyn at first but her high end lifestyle comes with a hefty price tag. Who cares if you have a jeweler on speed dial or a credit card to upgrade to first class if you’re not allowed to be yourself?

 

Well apparently Browynn has decided it is in fact worth the price. And THAT is her being herself.

Maybe her daughters grandparents saw something in her that warranted their reaction... Food for thought. 

[Natalie68]

On 11/22/2024 at 4:44 PM, albarino said:

Interesting perspective because my perspective is just about opposite of yours (and I'm not trying to argue).  

I've never warmed up to Angie so her crying left me cold--and I can cry at McDonald's commercials--I just thought she should have gone to therapy before emoting all over the place about how her mother drank herself to death.  Wonder what her sibs think about it and wonder why she drinks as an adult.  Just an observation.

I'm liking seeing but not hearing from or about Whitney.  Not sure what the whole grabbing the phone thing was about but I don't think I'd like somebody grabbing my phone either.

I've liked Heather and still do.  I would not have opened the lunch with bringing up the trip but It was rude of Bronwyn to exclude her.  To be honest, I haven't watched this closely enough to know or remember what Bronwyn needed to hear from Heather in order for her to be included in the trip but c'mon.  Since I question Bronwyn's taste, I naturally question her judgement.

And I don't know what is wrong with me but did Mary seem like the voice of reason this episode?

 

 

No worries!  My opinion on these women changes all the time and it is often because of points you all see.  

[princelina]

On 11/25/2024 at 8:54 AM, Yours Truly said:

Problematic for who though? I'm not interested in hearing the cast latch onto details about her marriage in a way that tries to make it seem scary or dangerous. Again, problematic or not, I doubt Browynn is in need of intervention or is in a dangerous situation and I'd rather not have the women steer it down that path for a storyline. 

Agree.  Plus I still think that this is the role Todd has chosen for himself for the show.

[65mickey]

If this is his chosen role he  is certainly playing it well, being the sour puss grumpy old man.

[Vanderboom]

Hmmm . . . has Angie improved immensely this season, or does she just look so much better compared to the dumpster fire that is Brittani? 🤔

[Jel]

Number one question: does anyone else find it weird that you really don't hear the name Bronwyn, like ever, in real life, but you hear it alot of RH shows.

Speaking of, this new Bronwyn is making that first year mistake of being too taken with herself. She's FASHION everyone, FASHION. She has way too many opinions of people she just met and a too changing opinion of old friends. Don't care for. She appears to be trying to garner sympathy for a favourable divorce settlement. But, her husband would be coming across as a way bigger asshole if he were wrong. 

And, maybe the worst, her daughter and her daughter's bio dad and family drama on tv. These women go low, but this is a new one, imo.

I don't want to go too far out on a limb here, but I am beginning to suspect that Angie may be Greek? It's hard to be sure though because she never talks about it. 

Whitney, for me, is more and more unlikeable every season. She's at about a half Rinna right now. 

That dramatic storm out by Meredith -- pure gold! The hand gestures, the accent change, the elegant glide to the door. Who could ask for more?

 

[Jel]

How's everyone ranking the HWs this season? Mine:

1. Lisa (duh!)

2. Meredith

3. Mary

4. Heather

5. Bronwyn

6. Angie

7. Whitney

[ladle1]

WHAT SHOW DOES TODD THINK HE'S ON

[ladle1]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:29 PM, Marley said:

Oh god Britani interrupting again. Something is off about her. She has some personality disorder.

I believe it's called "Thirst."

On 11/20/2024 at 11:29 PM, Marley said:

Heather is playing the Bronwyn situation all wrong. She’s acting way too full of herself. She seemed to turn it around a bit at the end tho.

Right? I think what we saw was Heather realizing, in real time, that she was about to come off very poorly on TV. 

Speaking of which... wtf, Lisa and the tantrum over coach? Does she completely lack self-awareness, or does she just not care?

[ladle1]

On 11/22/2024 at 11:13 AM, Yours Truly said:

For now, I plan on viewing his attitude through the lens of it being show related animosity. I truly believe that Todd is hella salty about this whole housewives adventure his wife has decided to go on and doesn't plan on hiding it. Good for him. 

I'm really interested in the circumstances under which Bronwyn and Todd came to appear on the show. Was he against it and she pressured him into it? This doesn't seem possible, based on the marriage dynamic we're being shown, but obviously there are layers to everything and we're seeing such a small snippet of their lives. Did he really not know what they were getting into by agreeing to appear on the show? That would be mind-blowing; he seems like a reasonably smart guy who would likely do his research.

And, it's not just that Bronwyn on the show, but Todd is on it as well! And he's all the way on it -- on a trip, doing the confessionals, etc. Other huzzbans have had less involvement. He could have dialed it down if he has such distaste for RHW. 

[albarino]

18 hours ago, Jel said:

Whitney, for me, is more and more unlikeable every season. She's at about a half Rinna right now. 

I LOVE your rating scale!  

[Baltimore Betty]

On 11/29/2024 at 12:12 PM, Jel said:

Number one question: does anyone else find it weird that you really don't hear the name Bronwyn, like ever, in real life, but you hear it alot of RH shows.

Oddly, there was a Braunwyn in my junior high school back in the 70's.

[princelina]

On 11/29/2024 at 12:12 PM, Jel said:

But, her husband would be coming across as a way bigger asshole if he were wrong. 

Hahahaha so true! 😂

On 11/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, Jel said:

How's everyone ranking the HWs this season? Mine:

1. Lisa (duh!)

2. Meredith

3. Mary

4. Heather

5. Bronwyn

6. Angie

7. Whitney

1. Lisa

2. Whitney, Heather

3. Bronwyn, Angie

4.  Meredith

-20.  Mary

Angie dropped for me in the opening episode when she bragged about befriending Mary and going with her to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party.  That's 2 strikes!

Meredith will always be dragged down for me by her "child" and her husband 😂

All that being said, I enjoy their tv antics and wouldn't get rid of any of the above.

Mary is an exploiter of God, her family, her congregation, and now her son. I can't even get into fun reality tv hatred of her.

[Jel]

11 hours ago, princelina said:

Hahahaha so true! 😂

1. Lisa

2. Whitney, Heather

3. Bronwyn, Angie

4.  Meredith

-20.  Mary

Angie dropped for me in the opening episode when she bragged about befriending Mary and going with her to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party.  That's 2 strikes!

Meredith will always be dragged down for me by her "child" and her husband 😂

All that being said, I enjoy their tv antics and wouldn't get rid of any of the above.

Mary is an exploiter of God, her family, her congregation, and now her son. I can't even get into fun reality tv hatred of her.

You really have a point about Mary, Pricelina. She's a lesson in why hubris is a sin. I do feel sad about her son though.

Meredith's family -- the scene of them all talking in the kitchen. They were all like a combo of Jennifer Coolidge's character in Best In Show merged with Tina from Bob's Burgers. It's like an affected, intentional fake vapidity. I'm fascinated by it!

 

[princelina]

2 hours ago, Jel said:

You really have a point about Mary, Pricelina. She's a lesson in why hubris is a sin. I do feel sad about her son though.

If I put thought into it I feel sad for her too, because I think she was treated badly and brought up poorly to be the way she is.  But she is an adult now and should be able to discern some manner of right from wrong.

[swankie]

On 11/21/2024 at 12:16 AM, ZettaK said:

Some women followed the Breakfast At Tiffany's theme, and some didn't. Lisa was wearing Tiffany blue, but her outfit was not appropriate for the theme. Heather's was a miss, as well (she seems to love this sweater). Britani didn't do that great either. 

Meredith, Angie, Bronwyn, Mary, and even Whitney followed the theme. 

They all made fun of Meredith's bangs but she was really close to the real thing with them.  That's the way Audrey wore them. 

[heatherchandler]

43 minutes ago, swankie said:

They all made fun of Meredith's bangs but she was really close to the real thing with them.  That's the way Audrey wore them. 

Meredith did not look like this!  🤣

[swankie]

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

Meredith did not look like this!  🤣

She was close.  After all, it's a wig. She came closer to the theme than any of the others imo! 

Edited December 4 by swankie

[heatherchandler]

5 minutes ago, swankie said:

She was close.  After all, it's a wig. She came closer to the theme than any of the others imo! 

I maintain my position!  Lol

[Jel]

Meredith's was less clip in bangs and more 1970s style toupee.

I assume she has access to the internet. And a mirror. So, it fascinates me that she'd leave the house looking like that. 

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 12/5/2024 at 6:45 AM, Jel said:

Meredith's was less clip in bangs and more 1970s style toupee.

I assume she has access to the internet. And a mirror. So, it fascinates me that she'd leave the house looking like that. 

I thought Meredith had her hair gathered in a bun and the loose ends combed to the front, forming "bangs." That's what it looks like to me, anyway.  I think Braunwyn had the best Audrey coif.

[Chalby]

On 11/21/2024 at 3:48 PM, ichbin said:

He did treat her like a child, but not one he respects as a person. Most  May-December unions I've seen generally have a significant transactional element and generally come at a price.

Their relationship just reminds me of EriKa Jayne and her lawyer husband. We know Todd isn't playing any "fake scenes" for TV. If he's never seen bronwyn that loud, or crass, I believe him. It's the company she's keeping.