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2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

That has been his modus operandi since he starting running for President.  He demonizes anyone who doesn't support him.  And it's not just policy issues. He thinks they are his enemies.  He tells his MAGA base they are enemies of them and their way of life and blah blah blah but what he really means is they are his enemy and he will do whatever he can to destroy him. 

Yes, it's always personal with Trump. He has no real ideology. It's all about who does and doesn't support him and flatter his ego. And if someone doesn't he will do what he can to sabotage and even destroy them. And as you know, that's why he has the Republican party in his back pocket - for now, at least. Because they know what he is capable of doing to them if they don't kiss his ring. Otherwise a lot of them would be turning their backs on him. We can only hope that he becomes less powerful as time goes on and they will turn around on him. But they have permanently lost my respect for them with this. As many people have said here, they sold their souls to the devil with him. I am sure that if many of them could say what they really think it would not be in praise of Trump. But none of them will probably ever admit to that because it would make them look bad.

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5 minutes ago, tres bien said:

If you’re keeping track. Today Donnie Jr is in Greenland on a personal day trip after daddy sent there on Trump Force One.

On Monday daddy posted on his social media that “that the people of Greenland will benefit tremendously if and when it becomes part of our nation.  Make Greenland Great Again!”

First of all this bullshit bullying of sovereign nations is fucked up and is this part of his big plans for the next four years?

Second someone call Puerto Rico.I want to know how it worked out for them last time 

His fascination with Greenland is concerning. They must  have something he wants.  Minerals?  Oil?  Shipping Lanes? Does he want it so he can give it to Putin as Christmas gift? President Musk wants to slash 2 trillion dollars from out budget but I'm sure they can come up with a way to pay Greenland for becoming part of the US.  I mean Trump is a great negotiator right? And the fact he sent Beavis is laughable. 

2 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I am sure that if many of them could say what they really think it would not be in praise of Trump.

You know how when someone dies people who didn't like them will always come out and say good things about them. It will be the opposite with Trump.  Everyone who sucked up to him when he is alive will either stay silent or say they always knew he was a bad guy.  Meanwhile I will be dancing.

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2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

No, I genuinely don't understand what Obama did that "divided" people. 

Well aside from the crime of being elected while black he spoke up four years ago about Don the Con's baseless accusations of election interference (on the part of the Dems) and he's spent the ensuing years advocating for democracy.  This is divisive to the Republican party that exists right now.  Hopefully when the Time of Trump is over common sense will prevail once again instead of mindless hate.

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11 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I don't expect everyone to agree with or like everything I say, but I expect a little respect for having a different opinion, which I certainly haven't felt from a couple of people, one of which appears to have left the board. In fact I just went over the thread and find a history of certain posters zeroing in on opinions they don't agree with and making people feel defensive, criticized and unwelcome here, and not just me, but certain others as well.

I cautioned someone who gave the finger to someone in a cyber truck from potentially pissing someone off and getting into a road rage incident. I just cautioned that if it were seen by the person in the other car it could ignite their anger. Period, the end. I didn't criticize their feelings or their opinion either, although I did say that I thought there were better ways to express and deal with one's anger. I also said I wouldn't make presumptions about someone's politics based on their choice of car. And yet you'd think I was ripping someone a new one by the way I was treated. My words were twisted, even my sentiment. Like what I said was ridiculous. And I feel that was unfair. I hate Trump with the power of 1,000 suns so it certainly wasn't about THAT. I just know that today with the volatile situation we have politically we can't be too careful about what we do in public where someone else might see it. And our cars are not private places. Others can potentially see what we're doing in there. But I was made to feel like that was a stupid thing to think. And I'm sorry but I don't think it is. I am still at a loss to understand why that of all things was picked apart and found offensive. I can only imagine that some unfair things were being assumed about me.

And P.S. all of my subsequent responses (including this one) were in my own defense after being harangued over and over again about the same thing. I probably should have ignored it but I feel that I have a right to express my opinion here without being criticized and disrespected by someone. And I am not the only person who feels that way here. If you want to know why people feel unwelcome here this right now is a prime example of why.

And P.P.S. you can look through my posts with a fine toothed comb and you won't see me getting on anyone's back here in that way. I have disagreed with a lot of opinions here but I don't take people on about them over and over again in a personal way. Either I just let it go or I try to disagree respectfully. If I state an opinion I normally try not to get personal with anyone or in their face about it. I state it and disagree but I don't come down on them and twist their words and make them feel attacked and defensive, like I feel has been done to me by a couple of people. The only time I take anyone on is when I'm defending myself against their criticism of me. Like right now for example! Only I feel that I am justified in doing that. Coming down on others with condemnation for their opinions is in my opinion not justified and not respectful, and given my past of having been bullied as a child, I don't take that kind of stuff from anyone lying down. I have learned to defend myself both in real life and online.

And lastly, what gets me is that I agree BY FAR with most of what is written on this board. But a certain few people just love to zero in on anything I write that isn't lock step with them or the popular opinion and pick it apart until it bleeds. All I want is for what I write to be treated with respect like anyone else here. If I keep replying with posts it's because I'm not going to take that kind of disrespect without standing up for myself.

Thank you, @Yeah No.  I feel the same way.  Here, on social media, just about everywhere.  I don't think people like to hang out with those who don't subscribe to their way 100% anymore, and aren't open to seeing WHY others aren't agreeing with them.  Or open to a different perspective.  For example, as a child of immigrants, I have a lot of issues regarding boundaries with the older generation.  It's considered disrespectful in many East Asian cultures to criticize someone elder than you are.  For example, if your child says something about their friend having two moms, some elder might say, IN FRONT OF THE CHILD, how they can't understand why it's legal for two women to be married.  Or have a baby (and in front of a donor conceived child, too!!!).  This past summer, my dad explained to my son what "marriage" was (because he said he wanted to marry all of his best friends when he grew up, which consisted (at the time) of both boys and girls (wouldn't that make a good reality show???  Sibling Spouses))  and that it was between a man and a woman.  I then corrected my dad and said TWO PEOPLE.  My dad was all like "let him figure it out when he's older" to me.  What?  At least he wasn't rude to me, telling me that I shouldn't be correcting him.  But that DOES happen.  Keep in mind that this is also a culture where until recently, you never addressed anyone by their given name.  It was always how they were related to you based on birth order, gender, side of the family, etc...I've explained this to people and while it's confusing, even to people FROM said culture, they always tell me that it's "WRONG."  Well then, try being a child (whether minor or adult) of traditional East Asian immigrants.  I thought we were all about diversity and inclusion.  Guess I was wrong.

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5 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Hopefully when the Time of Trump is over common sense will prevail once again instead of mindless hate.

I doubt it.  The Republican party took a turn after Obama was elected. And it wasn't just Republicans. My mother had friends who were lifelong Dems and they refused to vote for Obama. Trump used birtherism to put himself in the political world and when he ran in 2016  he used racism and bigotry to form his base.  Those people aren't going to disappear after Trump is gone.  They won't have their leader but the hate will still be there.  The Republican has driven out any moderate Republicans. We saw how some Republicans reacted to Speaker Johnson working with Democrats to avoid a shutdown.  And Johnson isn't even moderate.

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2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Also, the GOP has literally laid out their plans for what they want for this country with their Project 2025 nonsense. Hopefully they won't be able to put much, if any, of it into action, but just the fact such a plan exists, and the stuff they want to achieve listed in it, is terrifying. 

 

I pray that the provisions laid out in Project 2025 that would jail me for doing my job never happen, but there are too many GOP led states that have passed laws that frighten me. Currently in Idaho, any library that has books in their collection with LGBT+ characters in it has to keep them in a special adults only section where minors cannot access. And if that is not possible, then the library cannot allow children to enter without express permission of the parents.

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2 minutes ago, PRgal said:

I thought we were all about diversity and inclusion

This is something all children should be taught regardless of their culture or background.  Children are not born racist or having hate in their heart. That is something they are exposed to and told it's OK. I feel like raising our children to not be racists or bigots is the least we can do.

I often wonder what happened to those twin girl singers who sang white supremacy songs. They were in the middle of a custody battle. One parent was a white supremacist and the other was not and wanted to get custody and have their daughters stop singing those songs.

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6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

This is something all children should be taught regardless of their culture or background.  Children are not born racist or having hate in their heart. That is something they are exposed to and told it's OK. I feel like raising our children to not be racists or bigots is the least we can do.

I often wonder what happened to those twin girl singers who sang white supremacy songs. They were in the middle of a custody battle. One parent was a white supremacist and the other was not and wanted to get custody and have their daughters stop singing those songs.

I think extended family need to be taught too.  Especially the older generation.  I get that Canada is supposed to be a "multicultural country" where people can hold on to their traditions, but traditions also evolve.  It doesn't mean that if you came in 1965, you hold on to the culture your country had in 1965 (immigrant time warp is VERY REAL.  My mom says she can tell when someone from the Chinese community came to Canada based on their customs and expressions (as in terminology they use)).  And it most certainly does not include biases from said country (homophobia is pretty still strong in many Asian countries.  Yes, historically, there WAS public homosexuality (meaning people were "out" or having affairs with people of their gender) since the church wasn't there to teach them otherwise, but they were still expected to marry someone of the opposite gender.  Kinship and lineage was very strong too)).  

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1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Currently in Idaho, any library that has books in their collection with LGBT+ characters in it has to keep them in a special adults only section where minors cannot access. And if that is not possible, then the library cannot allow children to enter without express permission of the parents.

It's stuff like that that makes me want to buy a bunch of those censored books and hand them out to kids in places that do that. Is the future going to be like Prohibition and have speakeasies where people can secretly get books that have been banned?

2 minutes ago, PRgal said:

where people can hold on to their traditions, but traditions also evolve

It kills me when I hear someone say about an old racist, well things were different when they were growing up.  Yeah no.  Racism was wrong back then too.

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6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

It's stuff like that that makes me want to buy a bunch of those censored books and hand them out to kids in places that do that. Is the future going to be like Prohibition and have speakeasies where people can secretly get books that have been banned?

It kills me when I hear someone say about an old racist, well things were different when they were growing up.  Yeah no.  Racism was wrong back then too.

Except to some groups, immigrants (especially non-White immigrants) can't be racist because they don't have the power.  Well, those people's views are still wrong, regardless of what your definition of "racist" is.  Good thing my dad doesn't interpret the "you MUST RESPECT YOUR ELDERS" rule as traditionally as some people.  Right now, my mom only talks to me when she HAS to because she felt I was rude to her after my son fell and she asked him why he was so clumsy.  Where was "are you okay?" or "where does it hurt?"

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4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

It's stuff like that that makes me want to buy a bunch of those censored books and hand them out to kids in places that do that. Is the future going to be like Prohibition and have speakeasies where people can secretly get books that have been banned?

It makes me go out and buy the gayest books I can possibly find for my library. I still follow my library's collection development policies when purchasing these titles. It just so happens that I have a handful of patrons who also want to read these books. Most of these titles are ebooks or eaudiobooks which makes it even easier to get them into kids' hands twirls mustache.

Seriously though, I am not peddling porn to minors. I am purchasing the materials my patrons want to read. And it has always been up to the parents to decide what their child reads including ebooks. I am confident that my library board will back me up if someone did complain.

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2 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Seriously though, I am not peddling porn to minors. I am purchasing the materials my patrons want to read. And it has always been up to the parents to decide what their child reads including ebooks. I am confident that my library board will back me up if someone did complain.

I know Bezos is all about making money but I wonder if Trump told him to have Amazon stop selling banned books or he would get punished in some way if Bezos would listen to him. I don't trust any of these billionaires to ever do the right thing.

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1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

I know Bezos is all about making money but I wonder if Trump told him to have Amazon stop selling banned books or he would get punished in some way if Bezos would listen to him. I don't trust any of these billionaires to ever do the right thing.

Amazon has always been weird about selling the more explicit books. They are there, but will not get promoted by the algorithms. And some authors of erotica have had their books removed from Amazon or Kindle Unlimited with little to no warning. The frustrating thing is Amazon does not have clear guidelines as to what is and is not acceptable for independent authors. Authors who write erotica for a major publisher have more leeway. Still not much though.

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11 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Amazon has always been weird about selling the more explicit books.

I just checked and I looked for two famous porn movies and they both popped up right away.

I wonder if the banning "objectional" books is less about those books specifically and more about reading books in general.  I'm sad to say in my offline life I only have one friend who reads books.  We know people who read books tend to be smarter and more well informed.  And we know how Republicans hate that.

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9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

How long before we see a movie remembering lying about what happened January 6, 2021?

What is so mind numbingly stupid is that we all saw it and there are hours and hours of video of it. C'mon Hollywood, you used to tell the truth about real events. I thought gritty, dark horror was all the rage these days.

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11 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

How long before we see a movie remembering lying about what happened January 6, 2021?

I'm sure the guy who wrote God's Not Dead, God's Not Dead 2, and Unplanned is working hard on the screenplay as we speak. Don't ask me who's funding it, but I just know it will star Kirk Cameron, Kevin Sorbo, and Gina Carano (sp? the former wrestler who lost her job with Disney).

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2 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm sure the guy who wrote God's Not Dead, God's Not Dead 2, and Unplanned is working hard on the screenplay as we speak. Don't ask me who's funding it, but I just know it will star Kirk Cameron, Kevin Sorbo, and Gina Carano (sp? the former wrestler who lost her job with Disney).

Kid Rock can do the soundtrack.

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2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Yes, and I think a much greater case can be made for Trump being motivated by spite and sabotage of Democrats in general. It can all be substantiated by what's come out of his own mouth going back years now. What do we think the whole "drain the swamp" thing was all about? He has built his whole career around grievance politics, grudges and hatred for his "opposition". I see no such evidence to accuse Biden of that. He has come out late in the game with some condemnation of Trump but after how many years of just taking it and "taking the high road"? I don't blame Biden one bit for it. Trump deserves that and more from him considering what he's endured. And everything Biden does can ultimately be traced to being motivated by his political beliefs and principles, not getting even with political parties and people on hate lists. In fact the major reason he pardoned his son is because he believed that he was being made a scapegoat unfairly just to get his dad's goat. And there is evidence to show that this was in fact the case. Who would have given a rat's ass what Hunter did if not for him being Biden's son? He certainly wouldn't have been dragged through the mud like he was. It was more than obvious that Hunter was singled out because they couldn't find anything on Joe to hurt him. 

I know that Republicans believe that the cases against Trump were motivated by politics, but come ON, the guy was found guilty of a things that are pretty undeniable and illegal, especially for a president. Hunter Biden was never a president and his transgressions were relatively minor by comparison. Even if there were a spite aspect to going after Trump, there was much more meat there to substantiate it on its own.

I don’t know about the general public, but I recall most of the GOP being against trump, until he got elected.  They fell in line, to accomplish things like getting Roe overturned.  I also think they’re scared of trump supporters.  

 

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14 minutes ago, Anela said:

I don’t know about the general public, but I recall most of the GOP being against trump, until he got elected.  They fell in line, to accomplish things like getting Roe overturned.  I also think they’re scared of trump supporters.  

 

All true. They all fall in line to keep their seats. To keep their access to power.  To continue to line their pockets with donor and lobbyist money.  I hope history remembers them accurately.

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Trump is also "refusing" to rule out using military force to take over Greenland and Panama.  He wants to be another Putin, and congrats all you Trump voters you may just have helped him get his wish.

My only hope, and I admit perhaps it's a forlorn one, is that he will never get the support from Congress to push things like this forward.

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14 hours ago, Yeah No said:

don't expect everyone to agree with or like everything I say, but I expect a little respect for having a different opinion,

If it helps I have always enjoyed reading your posts.  I don't agree with them 100% of the time but they are always well articulated, which I value.  Its a tough road to mine because we all came in so hot, we're angry, we're frustrated and I think a lot of us feel betrayed.  Every time we feel a modicum of progress edging in our direction we get the damn rug pulled out from under us. Anyway I enjoy getting different insights from every generation, younger and older, to draw a road map as to how the hell this happened.  

I've been busy these last two weeks with entertaining family and a small vacation.  Now that I've had time to sit and process i thought the holiday would loosen the sting and holy hell it has not. It's still just as depressing and the fact that inauguration is two weeks away is not helping.  I mean the man is not even in office and I feel like four years have already passed.

At least we can all add a 1 to our "Election Cycles With a Peaceful Transition of Power" signs.

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A retired school librarian here. Way back in the late 70s/early 80s I was working in an elementary school. I was truly shocked at the books some parents came in and wanted banned. Most of the "Ramona" books, the one or two Judy Blume books (not shocking); we kept them in the section of the library reserved for the 4th and 5th graders, The Santa Clauses - because it had "bah, humbug" in it (( think that was the reason; been a long time) . Dr. Seuss. etc.  So many more - most that were classic children's books. But.  We had a principal who basically said "not going to happen" - luckily the parents never went to the school board about it. Unlike now.

Then I worked in a high school library of about 2300 teens. But even in a high school... parents wanted some books off the shelf. And again, principals and school boards stood up to them. Most of the time. I particularly remember a book about gnomes; it had award-winning illustrations. A parent (just one)  objected to the illustrations. So that one we had to put behind the desk and kids had to come and ask for it.  I cannot imagine how bad it is now. It is shocking what we have become. Or have allowed things to become.

***sorry, this post is too long but I don't know what to edit. I will keep my posts as brief as possible going forward.

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2 minutes ago, Kemper said:

A retired school librarian here. Way back in the late 70s/early 80s I was working in an elementary school. I was truly shocked at the books some parents came in and wanted banned. Most of the Judy Blume books (not shocking), The Santa Clauses - because it had "bah, humbug" in it (( think that was the reason; been a long time) . Dr. Seuss. etc.  So many more - most that were classic children's books. But.  We had a principal who basically said "not going to happen" - luckily the parents never went to the school board about it. Unlike now.

Then I worked in a high school library of about 2300 teens. But even in a high school, parents wanted some books off the shelf. And again, principals and school boards stood up to them. Most of the time. I particularly remember a book about gnomes; it had award-winning illustrations. A parent (just one)  objected to the illustrations. So that one we had to put behind the desk and kids had to come and ask for it.  I cannot imagine how bad it is now. It is shocking what we have become. Or have allowed things to become.

***sorry, this post is too long but I don't know what to edit. I will keep my posts as brief as possible going forward.

I remember that book, it was adorable. I have it's cousin Faeries, I know what they'd want to do about the illustrations in that one.

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12 minutes ago, tres bien said:

guess while I wasn’t paying attention today the main mashugana of MAGA has decreed we will be changing the name of The Gulf of Mexico to The Gulf of America 

He can call it whatever he wants but the rest of the world and anyone in this country not a Trump......supporter will continue to call it the Gulf of Mexico.  This reminds me of Freedom Fries being served in the Capitol cafeteria.

12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Trump is also "refusing" to rule out using military force to take over Greenland and Panama.  He wants to be another Putin, and congrats all you Trump voters you may just have helped him get his wish.

My only hope, and I admit perhaps it's a forlorn one, is that he will never get the support from Congress to push things like this forward.

Even with Congressional support there are so many countries that benefit from the Panama Canal I doubt they would just let us take it.  You know Trump wants it so he can charge astronomical fees for using it. And Greenland is a member of NATO so I would hope the other NATO countries would tell Trump to fuck off or face their protecting Greenland.

The fact we are even talking about this tells me the next four years, hell the next four months are going to be worse than we thought.

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19 minutes ago, Kemper said:

A retired school librarian here. Way back in the late 70s/early 80s I was working in an elementary school. I was truly shocked at the books some parents came in and wanted banned. Most of the "Ramona" books, the one or two Judy Blume books (not shocking); we kept them in the section of the library reserved for the 4th and 5th graders, The Santa Clauses - because it had "bah, humbug" in it (( think that was the reason; been a long time) . Dr. Seuss. etc.  So many more - most that were classic children's books. But.  We had a principal who basically said "not going to happen" - luckily the parents never went to the school board about it. Unlike now.

Then I worked in a high school library of about 2300 teens. But even in a high school... parents wanted some books off the shelf. And again, principals and school boards stood up to them. Most of the time. I particularly remember a book about gnomes; it had award-winning illustrations. A parent (just one)  objected to the illustrations. So that one we had to put behind the desk and kids had to come and ask for it.  I cannot imagine how bad it is now. It is shocking what we have become. Or have allowed things to become.

***sorry, this post is too long but I don't know what to edit. I will keep my posts as brief as possible going forward.

Your post wasn’t too long. :)

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I remember that book, it was adorable. I have it's cousin Faeries, I know what they'd want to do about the illustrations in that one.

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I love Froud’s faeries.  My sister owned at least one book, and I have an oracle deck based on them. I went through tarot phase. 

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9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Didn't most of his family disown him?

 

David Glosser is the uncle of Stephen Miller, senior policy adviser to President Donald Trump. Glosser, a retired neuropsychologist, has written and spoken publicly about the stark contrast between his nephew’s family background and the immigration policies he advocates in his role in the White House.

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

 Same press conference, he mentions using "military coercion" to get Greenland away from the Dutch. The Dutch.

Well that's one way to win a war...

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6 minutes ago, nokat said:

I read so much that let me know I wasn't gay, but I knew not to hate people.  Letting kids read and enjoy books, how does that hurt anyone.

Different parenting styles.

Unfortunately, while well-intended and meant to protect LGBTI students, the "knowledge is earned, not an entitlement" guideline in some schools in the anglosphere has tended to backfire badly when it is discovered-- given that parents can vote.

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5 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

His fascination with Greenland is concerning. They must  have something he wants.  Minerals?  Oil?  Shipping Lanes?

When the ice caps melt, rare earth metals (which we currently buy from China, and which Elon needs to make his electric cars) become more accessible.  The Northwest Passage shipping lanes.  The US has an air base in northwest Greenland, because it's about halfway between Moscow and NYC -- it has long been regarded as the first defense against a Russian attack.  Now that Trump has play dates with Putin ...

Truman tried to buy Greenland back in the '40s (by, you know, making Denmark an offer, not just declaring he wanted it and intimating he may use the military to get it). 

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