Chit-Chat: The Feels

[peacheslatour]

Just now, bluegirl147 said:

Primetimer has more courage than a lot places now. So many sites bar any political discussions.  Hell how many family gatherings have put a kibosh on talking about politics because uncle so and so can't stop bragging about how Trump is going to make America great white again.

I'm just glad my family members are a all filthy libs. We can talk just like we do here but we don't because it's not polite dinner conversation and my mom taught us good manners.

[Dimity]

[tres bien]

I think it started to crack when the Supreme Court handed the 2000 election to W. People lost confidence in the process. 
My husband didn’t vote again till 2016 (😡)

And yeah the sick racism that started bubbling in 2012 and has become the brand of MAGA. 
John McCain was a good and decent man. He pushed back on his voters calling Barack Obama a Muslim like a slur. But when birtherism became Trump’s entry into the Republican Party Mitt Romney stayed silent 

 

[Anela]

Once Biden was inaugurated, I wanted to avoid anything to do with trump. If I paid attention to anything, it was someone like Aaron Rupar, who would post what was said, so that I didn’t have to watch or listen to him - but I would if I wanted to confirm it. Also political streamers, but that wasn’t really until roe was overturned, and he made it clear that he wasn’t going anywhere.  
I’m going to continue to try to avoid him, and just be aware of anything I can do to help, if he succeeds in doing the things that he campaigned on. 

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, tres bien said:

I think it started to crack when the Supreme Court handed the 2000 election to W. People lost confidence in the process. 
My husband didn’t vote again till 2016 (😡)

And yeah the sick racism that started bubbling in 2012 and has become the brand of MAGA. 
John McCain was a good and decent man. He pushed back on his voters calling Barack Obama a Muslim like a slur. But when birtherism became Trump’s entry into the Republican Party Mitt Romney stayed silent 

 

John McCain was also one of the deciding votes against the repeal of Obamacare, which Republicans hate but when polled they love the ACA. 🤣

[bluegirl147]

I always make sure I refer to it as the ACA and it's unbelievable to me how many people will have a puzzled look on their face and I have to say Obamacare and then they know what I'm talking about.

I was not a John McCain fan and I do think he voted against the repeal just to fuck Trump.  But I still have insurance (at least for the time being) so thanks John.  

 

[annzeepark914]

I think we need to refer to it as the ACA and make sure it is known as the ACA (*not* as ObamaCare). I was not surprised to learn that many magas were against Obamacare but willingly open to the ACA. It's sad that we have to be so careful, but it is what it is. 

[kittykat]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm just glad my family members are a all filthy libs. We can talk just like we do here but we don't because it's not polite dinner conversation and my mom taught us good manners.

I had to side-eye my dad when I learned he voted 3rd party. He doesn't like Trump and I was soooooo relieved that he didn't vote for him. Plus he's in California so he's forgiven. Still I wish he'd had the gumption to just vote Harris but he fell for the whole Biden didn't do much so why would I vote for her.  Sigh, at least he didn't vote Trump.

[tearknee]

Brexit and the Two Trump wins show what happens when the university-educated middle class think they can insult and deride and condescend to the underclass ("Karens", "white trash", "Murdoch readers") for ages -- and then find out that they need their support for something, after all

(and, yes it serves them right -- as they caused their own failure).

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:05 AM by tearknee

[Bastet]

Repeating it won't make it true.

[bluegirl147]

35 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Brexit and the Two Trump wins show what happens when the university-educated middle class think they can insult and deride and condescend to the underclass ("Karens", "white trash", "Murdoch readers") for ages -- and then find out that they need their support for something, after all

(and, yes it serves them right -- as they caused their own failure).

 

You know there are plenty of Trump voters who aren't part of the "underclass".  The ones who want tax cuts and want ambassadorships and cabinet positions. And if anyone is looking down on the "underclass" it's Trump and the rest of the Republicans who are licking their chops at the opportunity to cut the safety net that a lot of Trump voters count on to survive.  And I would say serves them right but they won't be the only ones to suffer.

[Dimity]

24 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

And if anyone is looking down on the "underclass" it's Trump and the rest of the Republicans who are licking their chops at the opportunity to cut the safety net that a lot of Trump voters count on to survive. 

I was scanning some articles earlier and there was a mention of Dr. Oz going on the record as saying people who don't have insurance have no right to health.  Sigh, but sure let's talk about how the Dems are the ones looking down on people.

[tearknee]

JMO and YMMV but Democratic women candidates can't win the presidency as they are too easily stereotyped as radical feminists to the floating voters. Likewise, apart from the guy from the Love Boat, liberal and left actors who become politicians tend to not be elected to office outside Southern California because of the "Hollywood liberal" stereotype (see what happened to Nancy Kulp from the Beverly Hillbillies).

Republican actors like Sonny Bono, Clint Eastwood et al are seen by voters as "playing against type".

[Lantern7]

Watching CNN is my NYE tradition. Anderson Cooper called out those who are alone, those that aren't looking forward to 2025, and he told them they were seen. I hope that does something for people. In other news . .  .I understand why Kathy Griffin was cancelled, but I'd rather have her partner with Anderson than Andy Cohen. I'm not into Bravo, and she'd always try to get Anderson killed on NYE.

It's raining in NYC. That never happens on NYE. The Times Square celebrations make sense to me, but it seems like such an easy target after 9/11. Also, you're out there for several hours, you're nowhere near food or decent restrooms, and the temperature is usually at Witch's Teat.

As for the new year . . . maybe lots of bad things will happen to the bad guys. I don't think it's that awful of me to think.

[ebk57]

I want to say how glad I am that this thread is here and I appreciate the good conversation. 

Happy New Year all!! 🍾🥂🎉

 

(I just opened the champagne, so who knows how long I'll be awake...)

[peacheslatour]

6 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Brexit and the Two Trump wins show what happens when the university-educated middle class think they can insult and deride and condescend to the underclass ("Karens", "white trash", "Murdoch readers") for ages -- and then find out that they need their support for something, after all

(and, yes it serves them right -- as they caused their own failure).

 

 

41 minutes ago, ebk57 said:

I want to say how glad I am that this thread is here and I appreciate the good conversation. 

Happy New Year all!! 🍾🥂🎉

 

(I just opened the champagne, so who knows how long I'll be awake...)

Me too. We're watching the Twilight Zone marathon on Syfi. 

[kittykat]

Happy New Year everyone.  We'll see what happens.  I keep telling myself the best case scenario is that nothing gets done and the Republicans spend the next four years hair pulling.  But it's pretty piss poor to hope your government gets nothing done because the something they want to get done is monumentally awful.

I just finished binging Game of Squids so whatever you all did to calm anxiety I just did the exact opposite.

[Absolom]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

You know there are plenty of Trump voters who aren't part of the "underclass". 

I know far too many university educated middle class people who were taken in by Trump the first term and may have voted for him again or not voted this past November.  The not voting was a blessing in this case.

Edited Wednesday at 05:06 AM by Absolom

[Lantern7]

Happy 2025! May we be mostly free of the idiocy that’s often thrust upon us.

[peacheslatour]

39 minutes ago, Absolom said:

I know far too many university educated middle class people who were taken in by Trump the first term and may have voted for him again or not voted this past November.  The not voting was a blessing in this case.

Voting for Kamala would have been a bigger blessing and I wonder why people can't see that. Not voting was a vote for Trump.

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Me too. We're watching the Twilight Zone marathon on Syfi. 

Same. Spooky how relevant that show still is in so many ways. 

[Lantern7]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Me too. We're watching the Twilight Zone marathon on Syfi. 

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

Same. Spooky how relevant that show still is in so many ways. 

No kidding. Have you ever watched "He Lives"? *shudder*

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

No kidding. Have you ever watched "He Lives"? *shudder*

My favorites are Spur of the Moment, where the woman is chasing her younger self on horseback and The Howling Man about, well you know.

[Annber03]

28 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

No kidding. Have you ever watched "He Lives"? *shudder*

That episode and "Deaths-Head Revisited" should be required viewing in schools. Along with "Monsters are Due on Maple Street", though some schools have been known to show that one (mine did). 

[Eri]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-air-force-one-boeing-b2664046.html

Quote

President-elect Donald Trump is reported to be frustrated by delays to the new Air Force One, which means he likely won’t be able to fly on a new jet during his second term.

Boeing has reportedly told the Air Force that the new planes won’t be ready until after Trump leaves the White House, the Wall Street Journal reports.

'Woke' Boeing keeping the world's president-elect away from the Air Force One HE DESERVES! UNACCEPTABLE! 😁

That's one way to start off the New Year lol

 

[Lantern7]

37 minutes ago, Eri said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-air-force-one-boeing-b2664046.html

'Woke' Boeing keeping the world's president-elect away from the Air Force One HE DESERVES! UNACCEPTABLE! 😁

That's one way to start off the New Year lol

Wow, looks like Boeing is going to start the new year by making up for all their mistakes and sins from 2024.

Edited Wednesday at 08:15 AM by Lantern7

[Anela]

5 hours ago, tearknee said:

JMO and YMMV but Democratic women candidates can't win the presidency as they are too easily stereotyped as radical feminists to the floating voters. Likewise, apart from the guy from the Love Boat, liberal and left actors who become politicians tend to not be elected to office outside Southern California because of the "Hollywood liberal" stereotype (see what happened to Nancy Kulp from the Beverly Hillbillies).

Republican actors like Sonny Bono, Clint Eastwood et al are seen by voters as "playing against type".

Then some citizens of this country need to catch up, instead of electing men who are too emotional, like trump.  

[tearknee]

31 minutes ago, Anela said:

Then some citizens of this country need to catch up, instead of electing men who are too emotional, like trump.  

I'm a psephologist, not a polemicist.

[Anela]

29 minutes ago, tearknee said:

I'm a psephologist, not a polemicist.

And I'm pointing out that some people need to catch up, and realize that women can be (and are) leaders. 

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, Anela said:

And I'm pointing out that some people need to catch up, and realize that women can be (and are) leaders. 

This. It's 2024, for cripes' sakes. Sam Elliott shouldn't have to be doing an ad to encourage men to go out and vote for a woman. It should just be a given that women are capable of being president and men's masculinity won't somehow be threatened by a woman being in power. 

We also shouldn't have to keep dealing with people who still haven't figured out, after fifteen years of this being law, that the ACA and Obamaacare are the same thing. Nor should we have to be reading stories about how people apparently had to Google if Biden was still running for president well after he'd dropped out. 

That has nothing to do with "intellectual elitiesl looking down on people", that has to do with voters being lazy and not paying attention to even the most basic, obvious things that don't require much research to understand. At some point voters need to start taking responsibility for their own ignorance of the issues. And they also need to grow the hell up and deal with their issues around the idea of having a president that isn't a straight, white, Christian male. 

[Spartan Girl]

9 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

As for the new year . . . maybe lots of bad things will happen to the bad guys. I don't think it's that awful of me to think

If it is, then save me a seat next to you in hell.

[bluegirl147]

10 hours ago, tearknee said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

 

That has nothing to do with "intellectual elitiesl looking down on people", that has to do with voters being lazy and not paying attention to even the most basic, obvious things that don't require much research to understand. At some point voters need to start taking responsibility for their own ignorance of the issues. And they also need to grow the hell up and deal with their issues around the idea of having a president that isn't a straight, white, Christian male. 

As I have said many times an uninformed electorate benefits Republicans. Their policies when they actually have them don't help and usually hurt anyone not rich.  How many times have we heard a Republican voter shocked because they are losing something? I always think back to that Trump voter who was in disbelief her husband was deported.  We are already hearing some buyer's remorse and Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet.

Being uninformed and being misinformed ends up with same result. Woefully inept and/or dangerous politicians getting elected. 

[tearknee]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

This. It's 2024, for cripes' sakes. Sam Elliott shouldn't have to be doing an ad to encourage men to go out and vote for a woman. It should just be a given that women are capable of being president and men's masculinity won't somehow be threatened by a woman being in power. 

We also shouldn't have to keep dealing with people who still haven't figured out, after fifteen years of this being law, that the ACA and Obamaacare are the same thing. Nor should we have to be reading stories about how people apparently had to Google if Biden was still running for president well after he'd dropped out. 

That has nothing to do with "intellectual elitiesl looking down on people", that has to do with voters being lazy and not paying attention to even the most basic, obvious things that don't require much research to understand. At some point voters need to start taking responsibility for their own ignorance of the issues. And they also need to grow the hell up and deal with their issues around the idea of having a president that isn't a straight, white, Christian male. 

"If you don't know, find out" did not work too well for the Yes campaign in Australia in the referendum they had in October '23. Because the floating voters saw it as another condescending and deep insult. Not to mention that the last thing that most people want to see on TV is another 'talking head' academic.

[lookeyloo]

13 hours ago, Dimity said:

Recrudescense is what the stroke drs. called Mr lookeyloo's second set of exact symptoms after his stroke.  I don't understand all the medical stuff, something about can't have another stroke in same spot because that part of the brain is dead, but, can have a recurrence of symptoms.  anyway, medical folks will know or someone who has experienced.  But the word did bring up something for me!

[tearknee]

Recrudescense embiggins America?

 

[bluegirl147]

27 minutes ago, tearknee said:

"If you don't know, find out" did not work too well for the Yes campaign in Australia in the referendum they had in October '23. Because the floating voters saw it as another condescending and deep insult. Not to mention that the last thing that most people want to see on TV is another 'talking head' academic.

I find candidates like Trump and Vance and MTG and Boebert a deep insult.

And I would rather listen to a talking head academic than people like Hannity and Ingram and now Gaetz with his new gig.

[27bored]

On 12/31/2024 at 8:23 AM, Spartan Girl said:

That’s not what I saw this year. They made a big deal out of every little gaffe Biden made, while just shrugging off and sane-washing Trump’s verbal diarrhea as “Trump being Trump.” 

And I no longer trust any stories with unnamed staffers/people as sources.

I wouldn't call that "sane-washing". When you've gone in on someone for the better part of a decade, eventually there will be diminishing returns. And some of this boils down to the "I'm rubber and you're glue"/"speck of dust versus a stake" thing. The press writ large still did more complaining about Trump than they ever have about Biden, but to whatever extent they talked about Biden's gaffes, that was likely them gently nudging Democrats to get Joe to drop out before it was too late. 

 

[Ancaster]

On 12/29/2024 at 5:55 PM, tearknee said:

Also, it *shouldn't* be different for cis-het boys and guys to check out cis-het girls and women and find aspects of their body sexually or romantically appealing than if the genders are reversed. Sadly, while a cis-het boy or guy may be happy, even flattered, by such from a girl or woman, a girl or woman has to worry about what is likely to happen next :'(

What's "cis-het"? 

[PRgal]

As I said in the holiday cheer thread, I'm hoping for a happy and prosperous 2025.  And this goes for world politics as well.  It isn't really the best of times right now.  No wealthy country's leader is anywhere close to sane (actually, I'm not too sure about Japan.  Maybe he's more sane than other places.  Or Taiwan.  However, Taiwan has OTHER issues to worry about) and regular people are at odds with each other.  Voices are often gaslit, especially voices that differ from the majority in the group (this goes for left, centre or right).  Other voices are silenced, often for PERCEIVED disadvantaged groups.  And if individuals from PERCEIVED disadvantaged groups start talking about an issue that might be slightly different, then they're told that it's too anecdotal (even if it's not.  And trust me, this has happened).  Or groups are not seen as disadvantaged because, well, they don't fit the generalized description of being that way.  I think this needs to end.  And, unfortunately, it IS NOT (I'm seeing it here myself, especially when I bring up boy/male-specific issues.  Do you know why they don't bring it up themselves?  Because they're too scared to do so.  Because if they do, they'd be told that it's NOT an issue/it's mansplaining.  It's not always mansplaining.  And it's my duty as a mother to a boy to bring it because not only is he too young, but because once he's teenager, he'll be told that it doesn't matter.  We shut them down too early, people.  Way, way, too early.  Let's look at something else:  Chinese foot binding.  At least one of my great-grandmothers had bound feet. The foot binding practice ended with the help of Christian missionaries because it wouldn't likely have ended with just local activists alone.  And while it was banned in 1912, some families continued to bind their daughters' feet, so there are still a small handful of women, those who are approaching 100 or older, who have bound feet).  Anyway, I all voices heard in 2025.  I want everyone to be able to speak their minds equally.

 

Note:  according to Wikipedia, some feminists, towards the late 20th century thought:

some feminists introduced positive overtones, reporting that it gave some women a sense of mastery over their bodies and pride in their beauty

Errr....considering that girls are young minors when they HAD their feet bound, I don't think so.

[Absolom]

10 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Voting for Kamala would have been a bigger blessing and I wonder why people can't see that. Not voting was a vote for Trump.

These were Republicans who at least didn't vote for Trump.  Yes, swinging over to vote for Kamala would have been better.  In their case not voting was not a vote for Trump.  They previously actually had voted for him.  They didn't increase his lead.

[Dimity]

4 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I find candidates like Trump and Vance and MTG and Boebert a deep insult.

Agreed.  While I can understand trying to find reasons why people are choosing not to vote for Dems, the bigger question has to be why on earth would people vote for Republicans like Trump and Vance and MTG and Boebert.  And I'll add people like Jim Jordan, Rand Paul and Nancy Mace into the mix.  Why?  Because people won't vote for intelligent candidates?  That's the answer?  I don't think so.

Edited Wednesday at 06:45 PM by Dimity

[peacheslatour]

35 minutes ago, PRgal said:

As I said in the holiday cheer thread, I'm hoping for a happy and prosperous 2025.  And this goes for world politics as well.  It isn't really the best of times right now.  No wealthy country's leader is anywhere close to sane (actually, I'm not too sure about Japan.  Maybe he's more sane than other places.  Or Taiwan.  However, Taiwan has OTHER issues to worry about) and regular people are at odds with each other.  Voices are often gaslit, especially voices that differ from the majority in the group (this goes for left, centre or right).  Other voices are silenced, often for PERCEIVED disadvantaged groups.  And if individuals from PERCEIVED disadvantaged groups start talking about an issue that might be slightly different, then they're told that it's too anecdotal (even if it's not.  And trust me, this has happened).  Or groups are not seen as disadvantaged because, well, they don't fit the generalized description of being that way.  I think this needs to end.  And, unfortunately, it IS NOT (I'm seeing it here myself, especially when I bring up boy/male-specific issues.  Do you know why they don't bring it up themselves?  Because they're too scared to do so.  Because if they do, they'd be told that it's NOT an issue/it's mansplaining.  It's not always mansplaining.  And it's my duty as a mother to a boy to bring it because not only is he too young, but because once he's teenager, he'll be told that it doesn't matter.  We shut them down too early, people.  Way, way, too early.  Let's look at something else:  Chinese foot binding.  At least one of my great-grandmothers had bound feet. The foot binding practice ended with the help of Christian missionaries because it wouldn't likely have ended with just local activists alone.  And while it was banned in 1912, some families continued to bind their daughters' feet, so there are still a small handful of women, those who are approaching 100 or older, who have bound feet).  Anyway, I all voices heard in 2025.  I want everyone to be able to speak their minds equally.

 

Note:  according to Wikipedia, some feminists, towards the late 20th century thought:

some feminists introduced positive overtones, reporting that it gave some women a sense of mastery over their bodies and pride in their beauty

Errr....considering that girls are young minors when they HAD their feet bound, I don't think so.

Just like female "circumcision" it's barbaric, forced and a violent act upon a child. It's an abomination.

[27bored]

16 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Primetimer has more courage than a lot places now. So many sites bar any political discussions.  Hell how many family gatherings have put a kibosh on talking about politics because uncle so and so can't stop bragging about how Trump is going to make America great white again.

Without getting too meta here, I did want to weigh-in on this topic as well. And again, in this election post-mortem I have to admit something that I know isn't going to win me any brownie points with my ideological side, but I've found it to be true to a big extent:

The Left can be way more difficult to deal with than the Right a lot of the time, and in many ways it's easier to be a liberal Democrat around a bunch of Republicans than vice versa.

See, I think this is mostly an NYC/LA/DC talking point. Where you have people who moved from one of the flyover states to the Big City either for college or for work, and you're surrounded by all these smart, progressive, college-educated people whom you just click with. Talking about and shooting the shit about politics is easy because you're mostly on the same page with most issues. But then, when you go back home during the holidays, you're confronted with the fact that 1) your extended family and many people in your hometown did not go to college**, 2) loyally watch FOX News (or keep it on in the background, kind of like how people do with MSNBC), and 3) they're just as game to spout talking points and can't see why any reasonable person wouldn't see it their way. And believe it or not, you can sort of get out of practice with conversing with these people because they're not part of your social circle and you can mostly avoid them online by either blocking or avoiding certain outlets. At most you may just have to hold the phone while your mom or dad rambles on about hating Democrats or "Wokeness" or whatever, but that's...kind of what you wind up doing with your parents on many topics you're not trying to talk about. So it's not a big deal. Thanksgiving dinner? Christmas dinner? Different story.

After a few triggered holidays, you start looking for excuses to either not go home or try to find any way to avoid talking about politics. 

I think those of us on the Left don't realize how condescending we can come across at times. It's not that there's anything intrinsically condescending about progressive ideology, it's the way progressives present their ideas that we wind up co-opting as our general disposition. We can understand how Uncle Frank who is just loud and wrong about stuff can be irritating, right? Yeah, there's a Big City Liberal condescension that's also pretty annoying. Time they hear an opinion they don't like, they turn into Jon Stewart and Bill Maher with the clapback. And you have to remember that what might fly on an "entertainment show" or cable news panel doesn't necessarily work around the kitchen table. 

And I think one of the reasons Trump made such in-roads with virtually every demographic is not because he's such a great man, but because so many people have been alienated over 1-2 issues that don't track with the Democrats' platform. I have a friend (who's a Democrat) who posted a several weeks before the election that liberals need to 1) remove their pronouns from their bios/work correspondence (unless you're trans), 2) stop talking about reproductive rights as if it's a federal issue, 3) do not even entertain the idea of "family-friendly drag shows, and 4) stop calling people who want to deport illegal immigrants "xenophobes", and he got raked over the coals. His point was that these things make us look more "fringe" than we can afford going into an important election. 

I'd forgotten he even said that until I saw stories about AOC dropping the pronouns from her Twitter/X bio after the election. 

I still believe what I believe, but I have to be honest, I've softened a bit to the right-wing people in my life and in general. In my experience it's way easier to converse with them, debate, and disagree without getting yelled at, cursed at, name-called or blocked/banned. Usually when I'm faced with that type of reaction, it's one of the handful of times I pipe up about dissenting with the left (whom I mostly agree with). Go figure. 

**btw: I wanted to mention that I wasn't emphasizing going to college as a way to talk down about anybody from an intellectual standpoint. I'm just saying you meet different people, you get exposed to different points or view and ideologies, and you learn to think critically (and hopefully how to form a cogent argument) in college. You come to learn to expect and respect that trait in others...not realizing there's a whole world of people who don't. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:31 PM by 27bored

[Absolom]

I read a scary (to me) article this morning.  It said the gaps that divide the country are narrowing.  That sounds like a good thing, right?  It was posited as a good thing in the opinion piece.  However, the reason the gap is narrowing is that overall people are polling and voting more to the right.  Groups that are traditionally more liberal are moving closer to the conservatives that is women, people of color, and young adults are polling more conservative by several percentage points in the course of a very few years.

[PRgal]

5 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Just like female "circumcision" it's barbaric, forced and a violent act upon a child. It's an abomination.

Like female "circumcision," those who believed that banning foot binding was forced westernization/a colonialist mindset somehow aren't using their heads and remembering that it's CHILDREN we're talking about.  

[Absolom]

4 minutes ago, 27bored said:

I still believe what I believe, but I have to be honest, I've softened a bit to the right-wing people in my life and in general. In my experience I it's way easier to converse with them, debate, and disagree without getting yelled at, cursed at, name-called or blocked/banned. Usually when I'm faced with that type of reaction, it's one of the handful of times I pipe up about dissenting with the left (whom I mostly agree with). Go figure. 

I relate to that.  It's like the old catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  I like as people some conservative folks and didn't realize their not outspoken values until COVID and somewhat with Trump term one. But getting into a long argument isn't going to change anything or do anything but raise my blood pressure.  So I throw in the occasional question or sound bite or walk away from the conversation and let my silence speak.

[tres bien]

Trump’s appeal apparently was his “strong “ stance on border security, immigration reform and low inflation. He thinks he won a mandate.

In a few weeks we’ll see if he accomplishes any of those things or anything at all. My money is on no. I’ve got my Bingo card ready 

[tearknee]

24 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Just like female "circumcision" it's barbaric, forced and a violent act upon a child. It's an abomination.

And FB was mostly done by the mothers.

 

[Dimity]

9 minutes ago, tres bien said:

In a few weeks we’ll see if he accomplishes any of those things or anything at all. My money is on no. I’ve got my Bingo card ready

 

[peacheslatour]

Yes, truly a man of the People. The salt of the earth who understands the problems of the working class, small town, average American.