Chit-Chat: The Feels

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Ruben Gallegos is a real disappointment. I don’t know anything about Mark Kelly but he was on Kamala’s list of possible VP’s so he must  not be one of the squishy dems

Senate Dems need to find and recruit the younger version of Bernie. He has the highest approval of any senator at 69%

 

I'm starting to think she should have picked Shapiro. He may have had baggage but he talks tough and I guess that's what people respond to theses days. 

[PRgal]

7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

They've already got this in Christian fundamentalism that make up s good chunk of his base. Smile! Keep sweet and multiply until your uterus falls out. 

Do the fundies believe that a widow should remain chaste rather than remarry and should listen to their son? 

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm starting to think she should have picked Shapiro. He may have had baggage but he talks tough and I guess that's what people respond to theses days. 

My husband feels the same way.  But my husband also thought that it would cause them the vote from certain groups.  

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Do the fundies believe that a widow should remain chaste rather than remarry and should listen to their son? 

My husband feels the same way.  But my husband also thought that it would cause them the vote from certain groups.  

The whole Gaza thing. You're right. His being Jewish would have been the same problem anyone not anti Israel would have had. If Hamas had not attacked Israel and if Israel hadn't gone full genocide over it, we may have won. But there was nothing any of us could have done about that.

[anony.miss]

7 hours ago, fairffaxx said:

The ignore function is so soothing, I recommend using it.

I agree.  It's important to try and have a fact-based dialogue, but after multiple rounds that go nowhere,  interacting with voters who chose a rapist and convicted felon can rapidly devolve into a waste of time. (Not always, but most of the time, imo.)  Trump's rapacious greed, immorality, and incompetence have been on full display for eight long years; there's nothing that can be said, at this point,  to those who chose to ignore his criminal record and history of sexual assault. For me, the "gut check" in this election was not really about policy, but about America's moral compass, which is gone. A felon who cannot legally own a gun, but can legally invade Greenland, will be president: that's the upside down universe we live in. Bad things are coming to America - and the world - and people need to save their energy for the fight ahead. JMO.

Edited Thursday at 10:19 PM by anony.miss

[Dimity]

I find it baffling that so many who claim to support Gaza and backed Trump are taking a victory lap right now. Absolutely nothing Trump has ever said indicates he would back Hamas over Israel.

Edited Thursday at 09:25 PM by Dimity

[PRgal]

9 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I find it baffling that so many who claim to support Gaza and backed Trump are taking a victory lap right now. Absolutely nothing Trump has ever said indicates he would back Hamas over Israel.

It has nothing to do with Trump.  It has to do with the Democrats. One ad I remember involved four boomer+ aged women (Jewish, if I recall correctly.  I think my husband would call the ad "Bubbes for Trump") talking about how Trump is pro-Israel.  

[Spartan Girl]

4 minutes ago, PRgal said:

It has nothing to do with Trump.  It has to do with the Democrats. One ad I remember involved four boomer+ aged women (Jewish, if I recall correctly.  I think my husband would call the ad "Bubbes for Trump") talking about how Trump is pro-Israel.  

That add was dripping in anti semitic stereotypes. It was so pathetic. The majority of Jewish voters that voted for Kamala saw right through it.

Edited Thursday at 09:43 PM by Spartan Girl

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, PRgal said:

It has nothing to do with Trump.  It has to do with the Democrats. One ad I remember involved four boomer+ aged women (Jewish, if I recall correctly.  I think my husband would call the ad "Bubbes for Trump") talking about how Trump is pro-Israel.  

I don't understand your point. I was referencing Muslim groups who backed Trump and who seem confused on what he wants in the Middle East.  But it's all good since they showed the Dems. Or something.

[Anela]

37 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

I agree.  It's important to try and have a fact-based dialogue, but after multiple rounds that go nowhere,  interacting with voters who chose a rapist and convicted felon can rapidly devolve into a waste of time. (Not always, but most of the time, imo.)  Trump's rapacious greed, immorality, and incompetence have been on full display for eight long years; there's nothing that can be said, at this point,  to those who chose to ignore his criminal record and history of sexual assault. For me, the "gut check" in this election was not really about policy, but about America's moral compass, which is gone. A felon who cannot legally own a gun, but can legally invade Greenland will be president: that's the upside down universe we live in. Bad things are coming to America - and the world - and people need to save their energy for the fight ahead. JMO.

A felon who can’t own a gun, but will have the nuclear codes again. 

[Lugal]

17 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I find it baffling that so many who claim to support Gaza and backed Trump are taking a victory lap right now. Absolutely nothing Trump has ever said indicates he would back Hamas over Israel.

Loath as I am to give Trump any credit for anything, even Biden's own state department is giving him credit here.  Now I know Trump isn't doing this because he cares about Gaza (He used Palestinian as a slur, FFS), he cares about the optics and I'm sure he's promised Israel horrible things that will probably make life even worse for the Palestinians down the line.  But for now, the killing will stop, so I'll take that as a small victory.  It's a stain on Biden's legacy that he did not use leverage on Israel to stop this sooner and he absolutely could have:

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“All of our missiles, the ammunition, the precision-guided bombs, all the airplanes and bombs, it’s all from the U.S. The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting. You have no capability. … Everyone understands that we can’t fight this war without the United States. Period.” –IDF Maj. General Yitzhak Brick

[peacheslatour]

If he tries to pull off these tariffs he's so fond of. It will destroy the auto and construction industries.

Edited Thursday at 10:22 PM by peacheslatour

[PuddleJumper]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm starting to think she should have picked Shapiro. He may have had baggage but he talks tough and I guess that's what people respond to theses days. 

Not crazy about Shapiro but he's a dream compared to crazy uncle Walz and his jazz hands!

That guy is WEIRD on steroids! 🥴

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

I find it baffling that so many who claim to support Gaza and backed Trump are taking a victory lap right now. Absolutely nothing Trump has ever said indicates he would back Hamas over Israel.

Thank goodness!

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm starting to think she should have picked Shapiro. He may have had baggage but he talks tough and I guess that's what people respond to theses days. 

Shapiro will have a choice in 2028.  Primary Fetterman or run for President.  I like him.  He is charismatic. Smart.  And a fighter. 

I think the Dems need to start thinking about 2028.  If we are still a democracy we are going to need a candidate that can win.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Shapiro will have a choice in 2028.  Primary Fetterman or run for President.  I like him.  He is charismatic. Smart.  And a fighter. 

I think the Dems need to start thinking about 2028.  If we are still a democracy we are going to need a candidate that can win.

The better if we still want to have a country and not a Soviet style oligarchy.

[Anela]

100 executive orders on day one

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Donald Trump is preparing more than 100 executive orders starting Day One of the new White House, in what amounts to a shock-and-awe campaign on border security, deportations and a rush of other policy priorities.

Trump told Republican senators about the onslaught ahead during a private meeting on Capitol Hill. Many of the actions are expected to launch on Inauguration Day, Jan. 20, when he takes office. Trump top adviser Stephen Miller outlined for the GOP senators the border security and immigration enforcement measures that are likely to launch soonest. Axios first reported on Trump and his team’s presentation. 

“There will be a substantial number,” said Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D.

Allies of the president-elect have been preparing a stack of executive orders that Trump could sign quickly on a wide range of topics – from the U.S.-Mexico border clampdown to energy development to federal Schedule F workforce rules, school gender policies and vaccine mandates, among other day-one promises made during his campaign.

While executive actions are common on the first day of a new White House, as a new president puts a stamp on certain priorities, what Trump and his team are planning is an executive punch unseen in modern times as he prepares to wield power in untested ways, bypassing the legislative machinery of Congress.

 

[PuddleJumper]

3 minutes ago, Anela said:

100 executive orders on day one

"I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord..
And I've been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord"   

Yes! After 4 years of hell we finally have something to look forward to 🌞

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, Lugal said:

Loath as I am to give Trump any credit for anything, even Biden's own state department is giving him credit here.  Now I know Trump isn't doing this because he cares about Gaza (He used Palestinian as a slur, FFS), he cares about the optics and I'm sure he's promised Israel horrible things that will probably make life even worse for the Palestinians down the line.

This is exactly what I mean but didn't convey very well.  My point is that groups supportive of Gaza who backed Trump are in for a sorry surprise down the road.  He absolutely will not be in their corner.  There may be a short term benefit for them but in the long run it will never be Trump or the Republicans doing anything positive for them. 

[Anela]

3 minutes ago, PuddleJumper said:

"I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord..
And I've been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord"   

Yes! After 4 years of hell we finally have something to look forward to 🌞

Four years of hell? Would you care to describe what was so hellacious? 

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, Anela said:

Four years of hell? Would you care to describe what was so hellacious? 

It really doesn't pay to engage.

[Anela]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

It really doesn't pay to engage.

I know, but I’d like a real answer.  I know I won’t get one, but I can ask.  

[PuddleJumper]

1 minute ago, Anela said:

Four years of hell? Would you care to describe what was so hellacious? 

That's easy, Everything.

 

[Dimity]

[peacheslatour]

Anyone here with a WaPo subscription may want to rethink.

The Washington Post kills off its "Democracy Dies In Darkness" slogan

Now, the Post is focused on "Riveting Storytelling for All of America."

[Ceindreadh]

6 minutes ago, PuddleJumper said:

That's easy, Everything.

 

Translation, you don't have anything.  You're just looking forward to 'owning the libs'  

Ah well, at least the leopards won't be going hungry. 

Edited Thursday at 11:59 PM by Ceindreadh

[Dimity]

Just now, peacheslatour said:

Now, the Post is focused on "Riveting Storytelling for All of America."

Is that serious?  Because wow Katharine Graham must be spinning in her grave 😔.

[Lugal]

17 minutes ago, Dimity said:

This is exactly what I mean but didn't convey very well.  My point is that groups supportive of Gaza who backed Trump are in for a sorry surprise down the road.  He absolutely will not be in their corner.  There may be a short term benefit for them but in the long run it will never be Trump or the Republicans doing anything positive for them. 

I personally think a lot knew what they were in for, they just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Harris because she failed to distance herself from Biden.  And when they saw him as responsible for the murder of their family members, I can't really blame them for that.  It was just a shitty choice all around.

[kittykat]

Look billionaires we see you.  And frankly I see it all.  You're trying to seize all control of communication to make yourselves all into little kings.  You've already bought the Congress, the President, the Supreme Court and now you're going for whatever telecommunications you haven't gotten ahold of yet while squeezing out the remaining middle/lower classes of any agency.  At this rate we're on a fast track back to fucking feudalism.

[bluegirl147]

17 minutes ago, PuddleJumper said:

That's easy, Everything.

 

Then you will understand when we say the same in four years.

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Anyone here with a WaPo subscription may want to rethink.

The Washington Post kills off its "Democracy Dies In Darkness" slogan

Now, the Post is focused on "Riveting Storytelling for All of America."

Tell me again Bezos is a hands off owner.

8 minutes ago, kittykat said:

Look billionaires we see you.  And frankly I see it all.  You're trying to seize all control of communication to make yourselves all into little kings.  You've already bought the Congress, the President, the Supreme Court and now you're going for whatever telecommunications you haven't gotten ahold of yet while squeezing out the remaining middle/lower classes of any agency.  At this rate we're on a fast track back to fucking feudalism.

But I'm sure Trump voters will be more than happy to bend over and say thank you sir may I have another.

[PRgal]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

If he tries to pull off these tariffs he's so fond of. It will destroy the auto and construction industries.

A lot of US cars are built in Canada, so yeah, there’ll be issues.  

[Annber03]

10 hours ago, Dimity said:

With regard to the Felon and Daniels it will never make sense to me that the right calls her a whore but the man who was cheating on his pregnant wife with her is signing bibles and is considered admirable. Party of  family values? Ok.

I mean, we're talking about people who supported a guy who bragged about grabbing women by the p*ssy because "they let you do it", so... Misogyny is just part and parcel of being a Trump supporter.

10 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I'm reading a book about that trial and it was absolutely election interference. Trump only cared if his tryst with Stormy Daniels was exposed before the election. He himself said if it came out after the election it wouldn't matter if people cared about it or not.  He was only worried about voters thinking he was a pig since the Access Hollywood tape has just come out. 

Not even remotely surprised by that.

And yeah, "pig" is probably one of the kinder things one could call him after those tapes came out. Between that and his racist birther bullshit that he spewed towards Obama when he was president, that's just one reason of many I cannot sympathize with or excuse anyone who voted for him in 2016, either. Be it 2016, 2020, or 2024, if somebody voted for Trump in any or all of those three years, they made the absolute wrong choice. Always have, always will. There will never, ever, under any circumstances be a scenario where anyone supporting and voting for Trump could be justified or excused. 

9 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I just can't get over how people make excuses for him and compartmentalize his offensive, nasty, mean spirited comments and behavior like they are irrelevant or not to be taken seriously.

That's the part that I do not think I will ever understand for as long as I live. What IS it about this guy? What is this sick, demented hold he has on people? I do not get it. No other politician would ever get by with even half the stuff Trump's been able to get by with. 

He doesn't care about you, Trump supporters. He never has, and he never will. Wake the goddamn hell up. 

[bluegirl147]

Why did people follow Jim Jones?  Or David Koresh?  Or even Hitler.  Trump and all of them offered something to their followers that they wanted.  We don't see it because we don't want it.

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Lugal said:

I personally think a lot knew what they were in for, they just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Harris because she failed to distance herself from Biden.  And when they saw him as responsible for the murder of their family members, I can't really blame them for that.  It was just a shitty choice all around.

So they handed their vote to the guy that increased Islamophobia and banned any Muslims from entering the country and will let Israel’s president turn Gaza into a golf course. Sorry, that will never make any sense to me, and I can’t forgive them for screwing the rest of us over. But they can have fun feeding the leopards.

[Eri]

2 hours ago, Lugal said:

I personally think a lot knew what they were in for, they just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Harris because she failed to distance herself from Biden.  And when they saw him as responsible for the murder of their family members, I can't really blame them for that.  It was just a shitty choice all around.

Yeah unfortunately, it was a big deal with a lot of non-voters and independents: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll

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The survey showed that the issue of Gaza was most salient among white voters, 34 percent of whom said it was the top reason they didn’t vote for Harris, and Hispanic voters (27 percent), while less so with black voters (just 9 percent).

The issue factored most heavily in Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and less so in Pennsylvania (19 percent cited it as the top reason not to vote), Nevada, (13), and Georgia (6), according to the survey.

Arizona: 38%

Georgia: 6%

Michigan: 32%

Nevada: 13%

Pennsylvania: 19%

Wisconsin: 32%

Post-election speculation that Democrats lost support primarily because they were too progressive or listened too much to activists is not backed up in this polling. 

Voters who voted for Biden 2020 and did not vote for Harris are most likely to describe the Democratic Party as “too beholden to wealthy donors and billionaires (46%), “ignoring the demands of voters who usually support Democratic candidates (46%), and “did too much to support Israel in its invasion of Gaza” (44%). 

More key findings:

Among Biden 2020 voters who did not vote for Harris, 53% say President Biden’s support for Israel was “too much” vs. 6% who said “Not enough.” 39% say Harris’ support for Israel was “too much” vs. 10% who said not enough. 

A majority of both Biden 2020 voters who did not vote for Harris (55%) and who voted for Harris in swing states (56%) say they believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. 

https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling 

I don’t think this is the sole reason she lost, but I've noticed a significant amount of this sentiment among younger voters and progressives/independents on other forums I visit, who either voted reluctantly for her or considered it a deal-breaker. Not that it helps us in the longer term but here we are 🙁

Edited Friday at 02:06 AM by Eri

[Anela]

Protests are apparently starting @Lantern7 I’ve just seen some on TikTok. 

I won’t be able to leave the house on Monday, so I don’t know what I’m going to do. Maybe watch movies with my dad.  And try not to scream.  

[peacheslatour]

Irony is dead.

Actor Mel Gibson said on Thursday that he “was just as surprised” as everyone else by President-elect Donald Trump naming and two other pro-MAGA actors “Special Ambassadors” to Hollywood.

“It is my honor to announce Jon Voight, Mel Gibson, and Sylvester Stallone, to be Special Ambassadors to a great but very troubled place, Hollywood, California,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform earlier in the day.

[Dimity]

46 minutes ago, Eri said:

Yeah unfortunately, it was a big deal with a lot of non-voters and independents

How nice to feel that they could squander their vote over an issue that, while important, does not actually impact their day to day life or the lives of their friends.  I hope their cloak of self righteousness provides them some comfort as their rights are stripped away over the next four years.  Or do they think they won't be affected by an administration determined to impose their own twisted brand of morality on the country? 

Edited Friday at 02:45 AM by Dimity

[Annber03]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Irony is dead.

Actor Mel Gibson said on Thursday that he “was just as surprised” as everyone else by President-elect Donald Trump naming and two other pro-MAGA actors “Special Ambassadors” to Hollywood.

“It is my honor to announce Jon Voight, Mel Gibson, and Sylvester Stallone, to be Special Ambassadors to a great but very troubled place, Hollywood, California,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform earlier in the day.

Waiting for the right to insist these celebrities stay out of politics, too, the way they're always quick to suggest that when it comes to liberal ones. 

(I know it'll never happen. Just making a point.)

[Dimity]

[ebk57]

48 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Irony is dead.

Actor Mel Gibson said on Thursday that he “was just as surprised” as everyone else by President-elect Donald Trump naming and two other pro-MAGA actors “Special Ambassadors” to Hollywood.

“It is my honor to announce Jon Voight, Mel Gibson, and Sylvester Stallone, to be Special Ambassadors to a great but very troubled place, Hollywood, California,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform earlier in the day.

Sometimes there is not a reaction emoji that fully describes my reaction to a post.  This is one of those posts. 

Sigh...

[ProudMary]

3 hours ago, PRgal said:

A lot of US cars are built in Canada, so yeah, there’ll be issues.  

Yes, and Mexico. General Motors, Ford and Stellantis all have plants in Mexico, along with Nissan, Volkswagen, Toyota, Honda and most of the other big names.

[Lantern7]

Saw the address. I get the feeling that we’ll be viewing it again as soon as six months, interrupted by the succeeding administration ignoring his words and generally screwing things up. Joe comes off way less bitter than I would like. My idea for last words? “Well, me and Jill are going to strip as much of the copper wiring as we can, and then we’re going to burn this place to the ground.”

1 hour ago, Anela said:

Protests are apparently starting @Lantern7 I’ve just seen some on TikTok. 

Are they for what’s going to happen Monday, or are they centered on the impending death of TikTok? Or is it both?

”I’m a friend to the Jewish people. Biggest friend. Now I’m going to appoint a well-known anti-Semite to an honorary position, along with two other over-the-hill actors. Biggest friend.”

Edited Friday at 04:25 AM by Lantern7

[Anela]

3 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Saw the address. I get the feeling that we’ll be viewing it again as soon as six months, interrupted by the succeeding administrating ignoring his words and generally screwing things up. Joe comes off way less bitter than I would like. My idea for last words? “Well, me and Jill are going to strip as much of the copper wiring as we can, and then we’re going to burn this place to the ground.”

Are they for what’s going to happen Monday, or are they centered on the impending death of TikTok? Or is it both?

”I’m a friend to the Jewish people. Biggest friend. Now I’m going to appoint a well-known anti-Semite to an honorary position, along with two other over-the-hill actors. Biggest friend.”

They were protesting trump, in Berkeley.  I’ve heard there are protests over the weekend, and Monday.  I won’t be able to get to them. 

[annzeepark914]

2 hours ago, Anela said:

Protests are apparently starting @Lantern7 I’ve just seen some on TikTok. 

I won’t be able to leave the house on Monday, so I don’t know what I’m going to do. Maybe watch movies with my dad.  And try not to scream.  

Hey...you can be a part of the *Tank the Inauguration* movement. Have your TVs set to anything other than the inauguration on Monday (e.g , HGTV, Food Network, ESPN, a movie, etc). The low ratings are supposed to drive him nuts. Who knows? 

[anony.miss]

Trump recreated his mug shot for his official portrait:

Tacky as hell but then again, it could be a sign of real growth - conceding you're a convicted felon in your official portrait is the first step!

I'm genuinely amazed he let this photo stand. Even with the retouching and lighting,  he still looks like death warned over.

Edited Friday at 05:35 AM by anony.miss

[Annber03]

27 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Hey...you can be a part of the *Tank the Inauguration* movement. Have your TVs set to anything other than the inauguration on Monday (e.g , HGTV, Food Network, ESPN, a movie, etc). The low ratings are supposed to drive him nuts. Who knows? 

Isn't it also supposed to be very cold with rather bleh weather on Monday? Even Mother Nature's making her stance on this insanity clear :p. 

[anony.miss]

7 hours ago, Anela said:

A felon who can’t own a gun, but will have the nuclear codes again. 

A felon who has chosen an alcoholic for Secretary of Defense - a DUI hire - what could possibly go wrong?

[annzeepark914]

23 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Isn't it also supposed to be very cold with rather bleh weather on Monday? Even Mother Nature's making her stance on this insanity clear :p. 

Oh, yeah. 23°, wind 13 mph & wind gusts 32 mph. We still have lots of snow on the ground (although rain on Saturday will get rid of some of it).

[Yeah No]

14 hours ago, Dimity said:

The true MAGA will forgive everything but those who claim they held their nose and voted for him because "it's the economy, stupid" hopefully will be having buyers remorse soon.  Not because I don't want the prices to go down but because it's not going to happen under Trump any faster than it would have under Harris.  And likely not even as fast because despite what Trump believes tariffs are not going to help the average American consumer pay less for their groceries, house or other consumables.

I think he's going to backpedal not only on lowering grocery prices but on the tariffs as well. Either they won't happen at all or they'll happen on a much smaller scale than he originally said they would. So those disastrous effects of the tariffs won't happen and they will still forgive him.

12 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

They want white babies born. That is why they want a national abortion ban and a mass deportation.  They are absolutely terrified of white people being the minority in this country.

Someone should tell them that the highest percentage of abortions in the US are gotten by black women to the tune of 38% of all abortions performed.

7 hours ago, Annber03 said:

That's the part that I do not think I will ever understand for as long as I live. What IS it about this guy? What is this sick, demented hold he has on people? I do not get it. No other politician would ever get by with even half the stuff Trump's been able to get by with. 

He doesn't care about you, Trump supporters. He never has, and he never will. Wake the goddamn hell up. 

One of the reasons is that I think they admire that he gives them the freedom to be assholes. He makes them feel OK for having whatever anger they were holding inside because "society" (AKA Democrats) told them they were wrong about a lot of stuff. He made them feel OK for being racist, misogynist, hating of other cultures, etc. He is proof that someone can be a flaming asshole, still be successful and tell everyone off in the process that expects them to grow up and be decent people. So he is their hero. He does to us and the rest of the world what they wish they could do.

Obviously there are a lot of people in this country that weren't raised right.

[Soapy Goddess]

18 hours ago, Annber03 said:

At worst they're totallly okay with and fully support a president exhibiting authoritarian rule.

Those that support him don't see that exhibition. Not that they're blind, but because it's bluster. Do you really think he's going to turn into Hitler? I know that's what a lot of lefties think, but they don't know NY "speak". Especially now with all the support he has.

Even Martha R (ABC News) gave Trump credit for returning of hostages...because he said there would be "hell to pay". 

 

18 hours ago, Annber03 said:

As noted elswhere, the Democrats were "after" him because he, y'know, committed crimes. But way to totally be dismissive of those criminal charges - which I will remind you were not just about Stormy Daniels, but also his general shady/illegal business dealings and his attempts at election interference up to and including, once again, his attempted violent coup of a democratic election. 

Call me crazy, but I think people should be charged and persecuted for that stuff. Don't you?

Also, "only the Dems can prosecute a man for fucking a whore" - I'm sorry, did you completely forget the GOP going after Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky back in the '90s, or...? You know, back when they still tried to paind themselves as the party of "good Christian family values"? 

I'm not against people being charged for their crimes, but as we see it, the Dems have been after Trump from the very beginning LOOKING for something to prosecute him with. Ok, so he put the hush money in the wrong column. Do you really think he's the only rich person to do something like that? IOW, do you really think other rich men don't fudge their tax returns? Of course they do! But if your name is Trump, you're the only one who gets prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. 

No, I haven't forgotten about blue denim dress. But did Clinton get prosecuted and go to trial over it? I don't think so. Sure he was ridiculed and made fun of by late night hosts/comedians, but we're not calling him a felon because of it.

Edited Friday at 08:34 AM by Soapy Goddess

[Soapy Goddess]

18 hours ago, tres bien said:

For the I support the man not the party or visa versa people. There’s no such thing!

Yes, there is. Those I've spoken with are not happy about the PARTY overturning Roe v Wade. But by the same token, we're not happy about putting the MAN through several assassination attempts. You may not like him, and that's your prerogative. But wishing someone dead? Not exactly something anyone should wish for.