Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Caoimhe]

29 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I just saw someone  mentioning that the deranged king was madly posting last night that he wants Beyonce and Bono prosecuted. Anyone know why? Other than for being decent people?

I’ve no sympathy for that pretentious pox Paul Hewson (aka “Bono”). Leave the others alone though! 

[bluegirl147]

9 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I dont think trump is demented either. It's even worse.  He is just stupid, looks for easy answers to everything and has no concept of management of complex problems. Plus he is a narcissist and a sociopath.  And i mean that truly, in the clinical sense if the meaning of those terms.  Not just perjoratively accusing him of it.  He easily meets those clinical definitions. 

All of this.  Trump is a wrecking ball.  A bull in a china shop. He makes the National Weather Service change a hurricane forecast so he isn't wrong. He changes the name of an international body of water.  He doesn't know what due process is.  He looks directly into the sun during an eclipse despite being told not to. It isn't just that he isn't smart, it's that he thinks he is smarter than everyone else and the people around him enable that delusion. 

[fastiller]

14 minutes ago, Caoimhe said:

I’ve no sympathy for that pretentious pox Paul Hewson (aka “Bono”). Leave the others alone though! 

My husband and I used to call Bono "Ponce2".  Sting was Ponce1.

[Dimity]

30 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

And no I dont think that is what was meant at all.  Just typical stupid maga ramblings by him. 

Agreed. I get to some extent the need of the Maga to defend Trump, I will never understand the bending over backwards to defend Don Jr and the rest.  No one who got out of high school could have been in any doubt about what Don Jr. meant. 

[Anela]

I don’t understand why people are insulting Jill Biden.  Anyone asking why she “let” this grown man do anything, who was elected by over 80 million people, could maybe ask themselves why Melania “let” trump run again. Why his family were fine with it. He is rarely coherent, he attacks people almost every day. He zoned out to music, at rallies. He looks like he’s falling asleep at public events.  He’s also a fascist, but none of them care about that, either.  

[PRgal]

A York University (in Toronto) study shows huge gaps in weight loss success between ethnic groups.  Unlike other studies (primarily ones from the US), it alludes that socio-economic status plays a huge role too.  

From the article:

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Each participant was asked to self-identify their ethnicity into the following broad groups: white/Caucasian, South Asian, East Asian, African Heritage/Black, Indigenous or a free-form field that would be categorized as Latin, Middle Eastern, Mixed or Other.

Among all the ethnic groups, white people experienced the most weight loss, losing an average 4.9 kilograms. East Asian ethnicities lost an average 4.3 kilos, while “other” ethnic groups lost 4.4 kilograms on average.

In comparison, Indigenous people lost an average 3.9 kg, South Asians lost an average 3.5 kg, Black individuals lost 3.3 kg on average, Latin ethnicities lost an average 3.0 kg and Middle Eastern people lost 2.7 kg on average.

 

Link to the full study

[Dimity]

15 minutes ago, Anela said:

I don’t understand why people are insulting Jill Biden.

It feeds into their false belief that Biden was incompetent.  They also lost their minds that there was a First Lady who was well educated and kept working in her chosen field.  The horror of it.

[Ohiopirate02]

16 minutes ago, Dimity said:

It feeds into their false belief that Biden was incompetent.  They also lost their minds that there was a First Lady who was well educated and kept working in her chosen field.  The horror of it.

It's also pure misogyny. Blame the woman for I guess not forcing her husband to go to the doctor without any evidence to back that claim up.

[bluegirl147]

12 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Blame the woman for I guess not forcing her husband to go to the doctor without any evidence to back that claim up.

The same woman they said was the puppet master who was running everything couldn't get her husband to see a doctor?

33 minutes ago, Dimity said:

They also lost their minds that there was a First Lady who was well educated and kept working in her chosen field.  The horror of it.

Same type of people who lost their minds that Hillary was known as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[shapeshifter]

7 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Cancer doesn't magically show up one day as STAGE FIVE. With all the doctors surrounding Biden, he had to have known. Jr's statement questioned this...in the same manner as his dementia cover-up. Not exactly an attack, but a simple question I think we'd all like to know.

I'm sure you didn't mean to metaphorically stab me in the heart, but it still feels that way.
BTW, there is no such thing as "Stage 5" cancer.
I had Stage 4 with a 15% chance of surviving 5 years. (That was 9 years ago.)
I had regular medical checkups every year and saw doctors in between.
One work friend was concerned about my weight loss, but my doctor was not.
My only symptom of a colon cancer growing in me for 7 years was an egg-sized lump over my liver, which I discovered myself. If I'd been 20 pounds heavier, I likely would have not noticed for at least another month, by which time it would have metastasized further to my lungs and I would have been deemed "untreatable."

Cancer gives us all perspective.

[Ohiopirate02]

9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

The same woman they said was the puppet master who was running everything couldn't get her husband to see a doctor?

Misogyny knows no logic.

[Affogato]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

The only sensitivity I have is when Dems try to compare Biden's dementia (he had ALL the outward signs that I witnessed firsthand) to some narrative about Trump, who has no outward signs that I'm aware of. Typical of Dems to parrot everything coming from the right. 

Agree the issue started years before, but Biden did nothing to stop it from the beginning. He should have nipped it in the bud instead of waiting until his last year. But instead, whoever was running the country thought it was okay to allow millions enter our country without the proper documentation.

Totally agree that Biden should have dropped out sooner. But he didn't. His "people" allowed him to flounder.

At least Reagan outwardly appeared okay...and perhaps there was less corruption in his administration that helped him through his tenure.

Then your experience of dementia is limited. 

I remember Kamala Harris, not the ‘border czar’ but going to South America to talk to countries that had immigrants. Thing is, why are there so many refugees? In Europe as well? Many are politifcal refugees and a lot of them are climate refugees. They will keep on coming because they have no choice.  I just want to point out that the problem is not being solved by Trump and his staff, not at all, and it is very expensive theater.

I understand that a lot of trump voters voted for him because they were dissatisfied with what the government was doing for them, saw no progress, and any movement they saw seemed to often be to help other people, while they were stalled or suffering.

Many of them may be elated to cautiously optimistic that things will get better, because they can see things happening, things like refugees being rounded up and deported, brave Trump and his operatives ‘cutting through the red tape’, also DEI is being abolished, which means white men and women will be able to get jobs. AND OF COURSE the Tariffs will bring manufacturing back to the rust belt (unlikely, since it left the ‘rust belt’ for the ‘sun belt’ a long time ago), but manufacturing is probably not in the cards anyway.)

The climate is getting worse and increased use of fossil fuels and fracking will make it worse. There will be more long term health problems for people even as Medicaid and other programs are on the chopping block. Not just the people who work in these fields, people who just hang out and breath. More people will be looking for new homes, some will be refugees within the US. Weather will become erratic, I include wildfires and tornados, and people will die and become homeless. People have already died because of the ill advised cutting of weather service personnel, and there will be more. 

We will grow older and there will be no societal helps for the elderly in place, people someone loves, or you, will suffer and die. Children will be unable to compete in the global market of ideas because they will have been malnourished, but also because they have been taught by people who believe the earth is flat and god created it in 7 days, but with fossils to confuse those without faith. 

 

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

It feeds into their false belief that Biden was incompetent.  They also lost their minds that there was a First Lady who was well educated and kept working in her chosen field.  The horror of it.

Plus she's a woman with a doctorate, and that's all the incentive some people need to tear her down.

[bluegirl147]

30 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Plus she's a woman with a doctorate, and that's all the incentive some people need to tear her down.

The fact so many people don't understand her doctorate makes her a Doctor of Education and not a medical doctor  tells me we need a better education system.

Edited Monday at 04:34 PM by bluegirl147

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Cancer gives us all perspective.

A close friend of mine lost her sister to pancreatic cancer - she started to experience back pain and that was her first indication that something was wrong.  A month later she was dead.

Anyone who thinks they have all the answers to cancer should be aware that it can be like a "thief in the night".   

Further IMO they should be more concerned about the cuts this administration is making to cancer research than to when a person chooses, or does not choose, to share their cancer diagnosis. 

@Soapy Goddess one may  very well affect you  or someone you care about, the other most assuredly will not.

Edited Monday at 04:44 PM by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

17 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Further IMO they should be more concerned about the cuts this administration is making to cancer research than to when a person chooses, or does not choose, to share their cancer diagnosis. 

Our government does a pretty shitty job of looking out for it's citizens. One need only look at how hard it has been to keep funding for the first responders who got sick from working at Ground Zero after 9/11. 

[peacheslatour]

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

I just saw someone  mentioning that the deranged king was madly posting last night that he wants Beyonce and Bono prosecuted. Anyone know why? Other than for being decent people?

He’s not losing it, he’s lost it. If the bus driver opened the door and said anything in the manner that Trump currently says it, slurring his words: “welcome aboard!” You’d get your kid off the bus and call the cops.

[Absolom]

This weekend my daughter said  Mom I finally have to agree with you.  Trump does have dementia.  She said she watched a clip of him and he "sounded just like grandma." My mom died of an Alzheimer's related fall. 

[Ohiopirate02]

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

If this is true, and I don't disagree, then I am sure the same people outraged because they think Biden's doctors hid his cancer diagnosis will be similarly outraged that Trump's doctors have been covering this up - likely for years.  Like I'm really sure this will be the case.  I mean Maga aren't hypocrites or anything after all...

Trump's doctors won't be covering up any diagnosis like this because Trump is not seeing a doctor to get diagnosed. He gets a sycophant to release a letter and some carefully redacted health information, he's not getting any kind of examination.

[Affogato]

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/19/nx-s1-5403446/biden-metastatic-prostate-cancer-diagnosis-survival-rate

The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommends men aged 55 to 69 get screened for prostate cancer, and most men older than that should not get screened routinely.

Davies says that's in part because most prostate cancers found at that age are indolent: growing slowly and not causing considerable pain.

"If you screened a population of patients for prostate cancer in their 80s, you would be … adding unwarranted worry to those patients," he said. "So I would talk to your primary care physician about what it means to be screened, the pluses and minuses."

——-

so, not routine to screen at Biden or Trump’s age. 

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, Affogato said:

"If you screened a population of patients for prostate cancer in their 80s, you would be … adding unwarranted worry to those patients," he said. "So I would talk to your primary care physician about what it means to be screened, the pluses and minuses."

This is also true for some forms of cancer unique to women and some cancers more commonly found in women.  Which for most women means no routine pap smears after aged 70 and mammograms are less recommended as well especially once women reach 75. 

Edited Monday at 06:00 PM by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

6 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Which for most women means no routine pap smears after aged 70 and mammograms are less recommended as well. 

My mother took care of a woman in her 80s that went for pap smears every year.  I remember thinking why.  Since a lot of cancer screenings are considered preventive I wonder how many will continued to be covered since there is a case currently in front of the SCOTUS that wants insurance companies to be able to opt out of paying for preventive care including cancer screenings among other things.

[mostlylurking]

13 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Ran across this on Facebook:

Lovely. Simply lovely.

I mean saying nothing is an option.  We know Trump hates him and doesn’t wish him well.  And then there’s this ⬆️.  There is no depth to which they will not sink.

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

 We know Trump hates him and doesn’t wish him well.  And then there’s this ⬆️.  There is no depth to which they will not sink.

Before all is said and done they very well might sink to earth's core.  Isn't is supposed to be very hot there?  That would be nice for them.

Edited Monday at 06:32 PM by bluegirl147

[mostlylurking]

4 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I dont think trump is demented either. It's even worse.  He is just stupid, looks for easy answers to everything and has no concept of management of complex problems. Plus he is a narcissist and a sociopath. 

💯 this.  I don’t think Trump has dementia, at least he doesn’t exhibit the outward signs Biden does (not a doctor, just a human with eyes).  However I think the fact that he can’t string two coherent sentences together because he’s just that incompetent at communicating is far worse than having a medical excuse for it.

[athousandclowns]

10 hours ago, Dimity said:

A close friend of mine lost her sister to pancreatic cancer - she started to experience back pain and that was her first indication that something was wrong.  A month later she was dead.

Anyone who thinks they have all the answers to cancer should be aware that it can be like a "thief in the night".   

Further IMO they should be more concerned about the cuts this administration is making to cancer research than to when a person chooses, or does not choose, to share their cancer diagnosis. 

@Soapy Goddess one may  very well affect you  or someone you care about, the other most assuredly will not.

I saw my husband kinda rubbing  his stomach one day and when I asked what was wrong he said he had a discomfort in his stomach for a couple weeks and I yelled at him to go to the doctor, CT scan then to UCLA for biopsy stage 3 PC. Not usually diagnosed till late ,95% die with 12-15 months. only 5 % lasting 5 years. When my husband did have to say he had PC damn strangers would list how many people they know died from it…so Jill had no duty to share anything to the public if in fact she knew. 
Sorry  I’m not apologetic about my wish for Trumps leaving this earth sooner than later he doesn’t give a crap about anyone. I remember when he was be airlifted to the hospital when he got Covid  heard to have asked  “ am I going to die? ” I remember him refusing to wear  a mask in an institution where it was mandatory.
I remember him saying he didn’t want to wear a mask because  he’d look like Bat Man . Yeah genius that’s what masks make you look like, that’s the f…king genius who’s running and ruining the country.  But hey we know how well hung some golfer was and he feels a big star supporting his rival should be punished WTF? Ok for him to a jet though ? 
. I hope more than anything Taylor and Springsteen and Beyoncé  have a massive concert on the same day of the ridiculous  military  parade for Trumps birthday.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:04 AM by athousandclowns
Wrong name

[LexieLily]

1 hour ago, athousandclowns said:

I hope more than anything Taylor and Bono have a massive concert on the same day of the ridiculous military  parade for Trump's birthday.

Add Beyonce to it too with Oprah in some capacity. Trump is yelling at them, too, for whatever reason 🙄 

[PRgal]

Speaking of paps and cancers, you’re eligible to get the HPV vaccine up to 45 in many jurisdictions.  It might even be available to people over that age.  I got mine a couple of years ago.  It’s not covered by provincial healthcare if you’re over a certain age though.  

[Mollywolly555]

17 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Add Beyonce to it too with Oprah in some capacity. Trump is yelling at them, too, for whatever reason 🙄 

To get off his lawn????

[PRgal]

Netflix to stream Sesame Street

PBS as well. 

[peacheslatour]

30 minutes ago, Mollywolly555 said:

To get off his lawn????

"Yeah, I'm going to need another $400M jet from you."

[peacheslatour]

Headline "Trump melts down over__________________."  Fill in the blank.

Edited Monday at 09:37 PM by peacheslatour

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Before all is said and done they very well might sink to earth's core.  Isn't is supposed to be very hot there?  That would be nice for them.

Right now someone is surely working on the 21st Century version of Rumplestiltskin.

[peacheslatour]

Just now, shapeshifter said:

Right now someone is surely working on the 21st Century version of Rumplestiltskin.

I don't remember. What happened to Rumplestiltskin?

[shapeshifter]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

I don't remember. What happened to Rumplestiltskin?

In the version I'm familiar with:

• “…Rumpelstiltskin driving his right foot so far into the ground that he creates a chasm and falls into it, never to be seen again.”
  (wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpelstiltskin#Plot).

[Affogato]

17 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I don't remember. What happened to Rumplestiltskin?

A peasant girl can spin straw into gold, and she is taken by the king and made to do this in increasing amounts under threats. This impy guy makes a bargain that he will do it for her, in exchange for her firstborn. She marries the king and when her child is born he comes for it, but agrees to let her keep the child if she can guess his name, which is Rumplestiltskin. She overhears him gloating about it, and tells him his name, and he has a tantrum and disappears. there are varying degrees of terrible consequences. In one he stamps his foot into the ground, pulls it up and ends up tearing himself in two. In another he creates a terri ble pit with his stomping and falls into it. If I remember correctly. Different versions.  It is one of the Grimm tales.

Edited Monday at 09:55 PM by Affogato

[peacheslatour]

7 minutes ago, Affogato said:

A peasant girl can spin straw into gold, and she is taken by the king and made to do this in increasing amounts under threats. This impy guy makes a bargain that he will do it for her, in exchange for her firstborn. She marries the king and when her child is born he comes for it, but agrees to let her keep the child if she can guess his name, which is Rumplestiltskin. She overhears him gloating about it, and tells him his name, and he has a tantrum and disappears. there are varying degrees of terrible consequences. In one he stamps his foot into the ground, pulls it up and ends up tearing himself in two. In another he creates a terri ble pit with his stomping and falls into it. If I remember correctly. Different versions.  It is one of the Grimm tales.

I knew most of the story but I didn't remember that part, thanks! I have a version of Cinderella where at the end, her stepsisters are made to dance in red hot iron shoes until they die. Some of those stories are really tough to take. I used to change the end of Hansel and Gretel when I read to my son. I said the witch got distracted watching her soaps and the kids were able to sneak out.

[Dimity]

Quote

If you're attacking someone after they announce they have cancer, you seriously need to get therapy.

I saw this quote a few minutes ago and it expresses so well how I am feeling  about Trump's son and the Maga out there piling on the hate towards Biden and his family right now.  Contemptible, absolutely contemptible.

Edited Monday at 10:06 PM by Dimity

[Affogato]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

I knew most of the story but I didn't remember that part, thanks! I have a version of Cinderella where at the end, her stepsisters are made to dance in red hot iron shoes until they die. Some of those stories are really tough to take. I used to change the end of Hansel and Gretel when I read to my son. I said the witch got distracted watching her soaps and the kids were able to sneak out.

Hans Christian Anderson was harder for me, still is. Excepting Holger the Dane. 

3 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

💯 this.  I don’t think Trump has dementia, at least he doesn’t exhibit the outward signs Biden does (not a doctor, just a human with eyes).  However I think the fact that he can’t string two coherent sentences together because he’s just that incompetent at communicating is far worse than having a medical excuse for it.

Mary Trump says he exhibits the signs his father did.  I’d think that would be more credible. He clearly is a different person than Biden. When he forgets something he doubles down and talks louder. 

[bluegirl147]

28 minutes ago, Affogato said:

 

Mary Trump says he exhibits the signs his father did.  I’d think that would be more credible. He clearly is a different person than Biden. When he forgets something he doubles down and talks louder. 

Didn't his mother also have a form of dementia?  The odds of him having dementia has to be high.

[peacheslatour]

6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Didn't his mother also have a form of dementia?  The odds of him having dementia has to be high.

Just severe osteoporosis as far as I know.

[Dimity]

At least if he has dementia that would explain so much.  If he doesn't have it then he's just another cruel schoolyard bully pushing people around and lining his pockets rather than governing his country.

 

[Spartan Girl]

Naomi Biden (his granddaughter) has some thoughts about Jake Trapper’s book:

[bluegirl147]

10 minutes ago, Dimity said:

At least if he has dementia that would explain so much.  If he doesn't have it then he's just another cruel schoolyard bully pushing people around and lining his pockets rather than governing his country.

 

Both can be true.  He is a sociopath with dementia.   But seriously his personality changed as he got older.  He was always a self promoting blowhard but starting with the birther thing he became mean and cruel.  He might have always been that way but he was publicly acting like that way now.  Trump will never acknowledge any mental decline.  He would consider it a sign of weakness and we all know he sees himself as some sort of super hero or something.

[Annber03]

7 hours ago, Milk-Eyed Mender said:

Fetch the fainting couch! What is the big deal about wishing someone hellbent on increasing rather than reducing human suffering were no longer around to rain hell on the rest of us? Like Hitler and Stalin before them, Putin, Kim, Trump and their ilk won't stop their reign of terror until they're dead, so, good riddance whenever that day comes, and may the healing commence.

(I understand Trump is not at the level of the others mentioned, but it's clear as crystal he would like to be). 

I was just going to say, given all the incredibly cruel and awful things he's said and done to other people, all the insults he's happy to throw around, you'll pardon me if I"m not exactly bothered by people expressing those kinds of sentiments about him. He's made so many people's lives utterly miserable and he's exhausting as hell and he just causes destruction and chaos everywhere he goes. We're tired. And we want him to go the fuck away already. I don't care how that happens, I just want it to happen, preferably as soon as humanly possible. 

5 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

My mother took care of a woman in her 80s that went for pap smears every year.  I remember thinking why.  Since a lot of cancer screenings are considered preventive I wonder how many will continued to be covered since there is a case currently in front of the SCOTUS that wants insurance companies to be able to opt out of paying for preventive care including cancer screenings among other things.

This was on my mind, too, yeah - I know a lot of people are often hesitant to go to the doctor, even when they know they should, because that's just added medical expenses that they and their family will have to deal with, and which will just add to their stress.

Now, if we had an actual decent, properly functioning healthcare system in this country, one that was run and overseen by actual medical experts who knew what the hell they were talking about instead of anti-vax/anti-science morons like RFK, Jr., that wouldn't be a problem.

Unfortunately, that is not the world we currently live in. 

Edited Monday at 11:24 PM by Annber03

[Affogato]

24 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Both can be true.  He is a sociopath with dementia.   But seriously his personality changed as he got older.  He was always a self promoting blowhard but starting with the birther thing he became mean and cruel.  He might have always been that way but he was publicly acting like that way now.  Trump will never acknowledge any mental decline.  He would consider it a sign of weakness and we all know he sees himself as some sort of super hero or something.

Narcissists don’t change. No come to jesus moments. 

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Some of those stories are really tough to take. I used to change the end of Hansel and Gretel when I read to my son. I said the witch got distracted watching her soaps and the kids were able to sneak out.

Thanks! I’ll share this with my daughter, who similarly revises the grimmer Grimm’s and other tales.

 

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

At least if he has dementia that would explain so much.  If he doesn't have it then he's just another cruel schoolyard bully pushing people around and lining his pockets rather than governing his country.

The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

My aunt who recently passed with Alzheimer’s never got mean.

[SoMuchTV]

47 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

He was always a self promoting blowhard but starting with the birther thing he became mean and cruel.  He might have always been that way but he was publicly acting like that way now.

I haven’t followed every detail of his history, but wasn’t the Central Park 5 thing well before the birther thing? So he wasn’t exactly suppressing the mean and cruel side by that point. 

[Affogato]

29 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Thanks! I’ll share this with my daughter, who similarly revises the grimmer Grimm’s and other tales.

 

The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

My aunt who recently passed with Alzheimer’s never got mean.

Trump is mean. Probably will stay mean. 

[shapeshifter]

Dr. Céline R. Gounder would be an excellent head of Secretary of Health and Human Services whenever RFK Jr.’s poor personal health choices finally incapacitate him, and You Know Who skips town: