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Education is a provincial responsibility here in Canada but AFAIK there is no big discrepancies between the provinces in terms of the quality of education being offered.  Funding is primarily through the provincial govt and local taxes but the Federal govt provides equalization payments to ensure all provinces are funded fairly.  I don't know what the consequences would be if one province went rogue and tried to sabotage public education the way some States have.  If the Cons get in I wonder if this is an area they'd try to slash funding for.  Wouldn't surprise me.

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20 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Education is a provincial responsibility here in Canada but AFAIK there is no big discrepancies between the provinces in terms of the quality of education being offered.  Funding is primarily through the provincial govt and local taxes but the Federal govt provides equalization payments to ensure all provinces are funded fairly.  I don't know what the consequences would be if one province went rogue and tried to sabotage public education the way some States have.  If the Cons get in I wonder if this is an area they'd try to slash funding for.  Wouldn't surprise me.

No major differences in what's taught, but the school system in Quebec is very different than the rest of the country.  What's interesting is their system resembles Britain (CEGEP being similar to Sixth Form Colleges) while the rest of Canada ends high school in Grade 12.  Some provinces (such as Ontario) have two years of kindergarten that is fully funded and is part of the regular school system, starting the year kids turn four while others only have one.   

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1 hour ago, PRgal said:

What's interesting is their system resembles Britain (CEGEP being similar to Sixth Form Colleges) while the rest of Canada ends high school in Grade 12.

I grew up in Montreal and in grade 11 my best friend moved to Ontario which at that time went up to grade 13 whereas we graduated in grade 11.  She was NOT happy about that!

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4 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

SCOTUS unanimously voted to uphold the TicTok ban.  The court who never agree on anything agree on this?  I don't know if that is good or bad.

Let us consider the actual facts:

CNS Maryland

https://cnsmaryland.org › 2024/05/16 › amid-controvers...

May 16, 2024 — Casual observers may be surprised to learn that the justices this term so far have issued unanimous decisions in nearly 75% of their rulings.

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5 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I grew up in Montreal and in grade 11 my best friend moved to Ontario which at that time went up to grade 13 whereas we graduated in grade 11.  She was NOT happy about that!

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I'll take Delusions for 500, Ken:

 

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And then in 2003, Ontario got rid of Grade 13.  My friend was part of that double cohort year and said how it was a nightmare for university applications.  

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4 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

In another typical craven move, ABC News reports that

President-elect Donald Trump said his inauguration will move indoors Monday due to the freezing weather expected in Washington, D.C.

Trump said he'll be sworn in and deliver his inauguration address inside the Capitol Rotunda.

"The various Dignitaries and Guests will be brought into the Capitol," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "This will be a very beautiful experience for all, and especially for the large TV audience!"

I'm of two minds about this - am I happy that he won't be able to enjoy the "yuuuuge crowds" and the "fabulous parade" (which will now be held in an arena that seats 20K instead of the 200K they were expecting on the mall (which I think was overestimating))?  Or am I unhappy that he and his "supporters" won't freeze to death?  Decisions, decisions...  

 

Meanwhile, I just read that congressional offices are instructed to tell ticket holders that their tickets are now "commemorative".  In other words - no refunds.  Too bad... 

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12 minutes ago, ebk57 said:

I'm of two minds about this - am I happy that he won't be able to enjoy the "yuuuuge crowds" and the "fabulous parade" (which will now be held in an arena that seats 20K instead of the 200K they were expecting on the mall (which I think was overestimating))?  Or am I unhappy that he and his "supporters" won't freeze to death?  Decisions, decisions...  

 

Meanwhile, I just read that congressional offices are instructed to tell ticket holders that their tickets are now "commemorative".  In other words - no refunds.  Too bad... 

What a bunch of rubes. He got what he wanted from them and now they can just fuck right off.

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5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

From WECT.com.

WILMINGTON, N.C. (WECT) - Rep. David Rouzer introduced a bill to the House of Representatives to eliminate the Department of Education on Monday.

The bill, titled ‘To provide for the elimination of the Department of Education and other purposes.’, was referred to the House Committee on Education and Workforce.

“I’ve introduced the States’ Education Reclamation Act in each Congress since I was first elected. Education should be handled at the state and local level without interference from the Federal government. This bill takes the funding appropriated to the Department of Education and gets it back to the states to use for teacher pay increases, new schools and/or whatever each individual state needs to enhance education,” Rouzer said in a statement.

I hope all of you non-voters and Gaza purists are happy. Kids will probably be forced to sit in a church for 8 hours a day until they’re ready to work the mines, meat packing factory, or Amazon warehouse.

But remember, we're just overreacting and our concerns are "tedious"!! 

Fuck everything about the GOP and its supporters. Thanks for completely destroying what's left of our country. 

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7 hours ago, isalicat said:

Let us consider the actual facts:

https://cnsmaryland.org › 2024/05/16 › amid-controvers...

May 16, 2024 — Casual observers may be surprised to learn that the justices this term so far have issued unanimous decisions in nearly 75% of their rulings.

But as the link also says: "With about two-thirds of decisions this term still pending, the 6-3 conservative majority is more than likely to shrink that unanimity percentage" (and it did shrink: 50 percent of the 23/24 decisions were unanimous, a 25 percent drop.) This year is still in play, but 9-0 rulings usually land in the 30s/40s, with the occasional banner year. (66 % in 2013 - what the hell?)

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9-0 isn't rare, but it isn't common, either, which is why this ruling puts me in the  @bluegirl147 "good or bad?" camp.

eta: Trump must be furious. He hated Tik Tok until his media minions started posting video of him doing that "hands jerking the air like I'm masturbating two guys" dance, which his MAGA fans loved.

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9 hours ago, PRgal said:

But at the same time, the so-called "woke" philosophy and destruction of historical figures because of their unfavourable connections screams Cultural Revolution to THIS history major. 

Most of the mooks (soldiers, police, collaborators et al) who did the actual killings in the Holocaust got to die in bed as old men.

 

The focus on Dr Verwoerd in South Africa when Apartheid was a system maintained by millions of people over decades, as well.

 

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19 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Do you mean people had to buy ticket to stand outside and watch the inauguration? I didn't realise that.

That is so on brand for Trump.  Just more people he has stiffed. How many people have made travel plans to come to DC, rent hotel rooms to go to the circle of hell that will be the inauguration and now it isn't even going to be public.

It might not just be the frigid weather he doesn't want to deal with.  He might be afraid of protesters.  There are marches planned for the weekend.  Some might carry over to Monday.  

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BG147 seems to take at face value the impression that Columbus is to blame for what happened. The outcome would have been the same had an African or Asian made the trip.

It was inevitable whatever left-wing academics have said -- you'd need an unfeasibly large number of points of divergence and an equally unfeasible number of people to have a personality transplant.

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

That is so on brand for Trump.  Just more people he has stiffed. How many people have made travel plans to come to DC, rent hotel rooms to go to the circle of hell that will be the inauguration and now it isn't even going to be public.

It might not just be the frigid weather he doesn't want to deal with.  He might be afraid of protesters.  There are marches planned for the weekend.  Some might carry over to Monday.  

My cousin is going to the march tomorrow. I told her to be careful as there may be a lot of pi$$ed off Trump guys hanging around. She said, "Should be ok...I won't be carrying a F*** Trump sign") 🙄

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19 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I'm a New Yorker and I know what you're talking about, but Trump embodies a negative stereotype of a New Yorker. He was widely hated by a lot of New Yorkers even before he went into politics, especially those in real estate because they knew he was dishonest. And he was hated even more after he went into politics because we prefer our political leaders to say what they mean and mean what they say, not be full of hot air and baloney. With him you never can take what he says to the bank and I don't trust anyone that's full of shit like that and that has absolutely NOTHING to do with politics. Just my New York opinion.

I get this sense too - it's customary to give the classic "up yours" gesture every time you pass by Trump Tower 🫡

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9 hours ago, Anela said:

My passport hasn’t been renewed yet,  but I should still have dual citizenship. I might look into getting a British passport, too. I was born there, my mum and grandparents were both British nationals.  

Thanks to your post I just found out I qualify for British citizenship based on having a grandparent that was born there. My husband qualifies too thanks to his father having been born in Northern Ireland.

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

It might not just be the frigid weather he doesn't want to deal with.  He might be afraid of protesters.  There are marches planned for the weekend.  Some might carry over to Monday.  

My first thought was it was really a security move. He knows he is a target and that area would be hard to keep secure enough from a sniper.

4 minutes ago, Eri said:

I get this sense too - it's customary to give the "up yours" gesture every time you pass by Trump Tower 🫡

LOL, there was also the removal of the Trump name from several buildings in Manhattan, including the row of apartment buildings on the far West side that each bore his name in huuuge gaudy letters, even though he technically didn't own them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/nyregion/trump-name-removed-buildings.html

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10 hours ago, Anela said:

10 PRACTICAL THINGS TO DO TO PREPARE FOR THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

Can Biden Actually Ratify the ERA?

she removed paywalls for the second one.  The first one doesn’t have a paywall that I can see.  

Good to see that he's doing something to try and make some changes that will hopefully be untouchable by Trump, or at least prove difficult for them as they spend the first few months to years of his office in legal battles fighting things like this. I don't think it will stand up to a court challenge, but I like the move symbolically.

He should still pardon everyone from his administration to shield them from Trump, especially people who would be symbolic targets like Fauci.

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16 hours ago, PRgal said:

As long as they're still around for people to see and learn from the past. 

I don't think statues or insignias are necessary to learn about, remember and learn from history. In Germany, for example, there aren't any Nazi insignia or symbols on display and it's prohibited by law to own any. (Freedoms of speech, expression etc end where it infringes on the right of anyone else to exist). 
There aren't any statues of Nazi leaders anywhere (I don't know if there ever were any) and the gravesites of Nazi leaders are unknown. I learned that that was done so that there aren't any pilgrimage sites for sympathizers. (I was surprised to learn that Hitler's former vacation home was accessible to tourists when former Rep Cawthorn's visit was reported a few years ago. But I guess, the guided tour provides some control over the number of visitors and those who celebrate Hitler publicly would draw the attention of law enforcement). 

There isn't even one memorial for all of the German soldiers who died in WWII. Those who received proper burials were buried in 195 different cemeteries and others were buried in shallow graves in bombed front yards, for example. 

However, several concentration camps were preserved and I think it's more important to preserve those and set up memorials to the victims as that serves as a reminder of what the leaders did and the reason we shouldn't want it to happen ever again. 

I think the same is true for the US. I believe it's more important to preserve the slave quarters at plantations and everything connected to what slaves endured than statues of the leaders. 

Overall, though, I think what's most important is the teaching itself. Any statue, any concentration camp, any slave quarter is meaningless if we don't share the stories that go along with it and if we stop talking about it, if we stop telling the stories, we'll start to forget. 

 

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16 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

What a baby.  Seriously.  Leader of the free world and he can't handle the cold.  And you know it's all about him and his invited guests puppet masters. He doesn't give a fuck about all the peasants in the crowd.

The article I read made it sound like it wasn't his decision. 

Either way, I think this is a good decision. Having people stand outside in windchills in the teens for hours sounds just as irresponsible as having people stand outside in extreme heat for hours. Trump was (rightly, I think) criticized for the latter as well as leaving his supporters stranded in the cold at night years ago. So, I believe this is something he, or the organizers of the Inauguration, at least, should be given credit for. 

And it's not just the guests or his supporters. I might be wrong but I think moving it indoors also reduces the number of law enforcement officers and other first responders who have to be exposed to the cold for prolonged periods of time. 

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41 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:

However, several concentration camps were preserved and I think it's more important to preserve those and set up memorials to the victims as that serves as a reminder of what the leaders did and the reason we shouldn't want it to happen ever again. 

Just gonna share Rod Serling's ending monologue from the Twilight Zone episode "Deaths-Head Revisited" here (for context, a doctor who showed up at the end of the episode had just asked in frustration why the concentration camps are still standing):

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There is an answer to the doctor's question. All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus, the Belsens, the Buchenwalds, the Auschwitzes; all of them. They must remain standing because they are a monument to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget this, the moment we cease to be haunted by its remembrance, then we become the gravediggers. Something to dwell on and to remember, not only in the Twilight Zone but wherever men walk God's Earth.

 

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11 hours ago, Anela said:

This is a good example of why you (well I) need to deep dive for news.  My go to for headline news has stories about Trump branding his name and wanting to cut taxes but nothing at all about this or any of the other mean spirited nastiness he's about to spring on the US and the world.  If I based my opinion of Trump and the incoming administration on these carefully curated headlines I'd be living in blissful ignorance.

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Uh oh, somebody's not happy.

On Truth Social, the president elect wrote, "I am pleased to announce that Peggy Schwinn will be our next United States Deputy Secretary of Education. Peggy has a strong record of delivering results for children and families. She previously served as the Commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Education and, at the Texas Education Agency, as the Deputy Commissioner of Standards and Engagement, Deputy Commissioner of Special Populations and Monitoring, and Chief Deputy Commissioner of Academics. She was also the Assistant Secretary of Education of Delaware, and holds a master’s degree from Johns Hopkins, as well as a Ph.D. from Claremont. A former teacher herself, Peggy became the founding principal of a charter school, because she believes in the power of School Choice, and is committed to delivering the American Dream to the next Generation by returning Education BACK TO THE STATES."

He then added, "Congratulations to Peggy and her wonderful family!"

That led to a wave of complaints from supporters who reminded him he promised to shutter the Department of Education.

Self-described MAGA veteran Ken G, asked, "Why are we staffing this department up? You need to dismantle the 'Education' department..."

Kirk Womack claims "Trump is our President" protested, "I thought we were going to get rid of the Federal Bloated Department of Education?"

"You promised to shut down the Department of Education! Don’t you dare start reneging!" accused Jon Crawford.

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22 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

"You promised to shut down the Department of Education! Don’t you dare start reneging!" accused Jon Crawford.

Or what, Jon Crawford?  You won't vote for him next time?  You'll hold your breath until your face turns blue?  You'll turn rogue and :gasp: vote for a Democrat next time?  Awaiting developments from Jon...

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6 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Or what, Jon Crawford?  You won't vote for him next time?  You'll hold your breath until your face turns blue?  You'll turn rogue and :gasp: vote for a Democrat next time?  Awaiting developments from Jon...

That person you are mocking -- rightfully so! -- obviously typed their first name too fast.

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Random observation - today on my FB feed I've been seeing post after unsolicited post purportedly from women (I have my doubts these are real) who are either (a) talking about how they wasted their life getting a degree and working and now realize all they want is to stay home and care for their garden and their house and their family, or (b) insist their children will never go to school because all they want is to stay home and have their life revolve around their children.

Coincidence that FB is being flooded with these kinds of posts just as Trump/Project 2025 is about to happen?  I don't think so.

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1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Uh oh, somebody's not happy.

On Truth Social, the president elect wrote, "I am pleased to announce that Peggy Schwinn will be our next United States Deputy Secretary of Education. Peggy has a strong record of delivering results for children and families. She previously served as the Commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Education and, at the Texas Education Agency, as the Deputy Commissioner of Standards and Engagement, Deputy Commissioner of Special Populations and Monitoring, and Chief Deputy Commissioner of Academics. She was also the Assistant Secretary of Education of Delaware, and holds a master’s degree from Johns Hopkins, as well as a Ph.D. from Claremont. A former teacher herself, Peggy became the founding principal of a charter school, because she believes in the power of School Choice, and is committed to delivering the American Dream to the next Generation by returning Education BACK TO THE STATES."

He then added, "Congratulations to Peggy and her wonderful family!"

That led to a wave of complaints from supporters who reminded him he promised to shutter the Department of Education.

Self-described MAGA veteran Ken G, asked, "Why are we staffing this department up? You need to dismantle the 'Education' department..."

Kirk Womack claims "Trump is our President" protested, "I thought we were going to get rid of the Federal Bloated Department of Education?"

"You promised to shut down the Department of Education! Don’t you dare start reneging!" accused Jon Crawford.

He got her name wrong. It's not Peggy it's Penny.

16 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Random observation - today on my FB feed I've been seeing post after unsolicited post purportedly from women (I have my doubts these are real) who are either (a) talking about how they wasted their life getting a degree and working and now realize all they want is to stay home and care for their garden and their house and their family, or (b) insist their children will never go to school because all they want is to stay home and have their life revolve around their children.

Coincidence that FB is being flooded with these kinds of posts just as Trump/Project 2025 is about to happen?  I don't think so.

I hope to God women decide for themselves what they want to do with their lives and don't look to FB for guidance.

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The minute I heard that the inauguration was being moved indoors because the forecast is calling for bitter cold and high winds, I jokingly but not jokingly, told my husband that it's all about the hair.  Trump can't very well wear his trusty red MAGA ball cap to lock that Thing down on inauguration day after all, so moving it inside saves him and his hair because for him, sometimes it really is all about the hair. 

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1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

"You promised to shut down the Department of Education! Don’t you dare start reneging!" accused Jon Crawford.

I'm impressed that Jon managed to spell 'reneging' properly.  Good for you, Jon!

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24 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I hope to God women decide for themselves what they want to do with their lives and don't look to FB for guidance.

I agree and in a perfect world I would hope no one is taking cues on major life decisions from social media but I think there are people out there who do.   But my concern with the tsunami of posts like the ones I mentioned is that they are trying to normalize decisions that are really not in the best interests of most young women.   They are trying to paint a happy 1950s lifestyle to aspire to that is just not realistic.

I worry about these young women who will eventually reach an age where the kids are out of the house, they have no marketable skills and are totally reliant on a spouse to support them.  Retirement is going to be hard on them.

 

 

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Oh dear.

13 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I agree and in a perfect world I would hope no one is taking cues on major life decisions from social media but I think there are people out there who do.   But my concern with the tsunami of posts like the ones I mentioned is that they are trying to normalize decisions that are really not in the best interests of most young women.   They are trying to paint a happy 1950s lifestyle to aspire to that is just not realistic.

I worry about these young women who will eventually reach an age where the kids are out of the house, they have no marketable skills and are totally reliant on a spouse to support them.  Retirement is going to be hard on them.

 

 

Indeed. You can't be a tradwife without a tradhusband and they're not making those anymore. Men today expect their wives to work full time, do all the household cleaning and maintenance, childcare, social calendar management and every other little detail that makes up modern life. They expect to go to work (maybe) come home and sit down to a six course meal while their fuck maid readies the kids for bed and slips into her stinkiest lingerie so she can do all the stuff they see in porn.  It's the worst kind of trap but at least unlike the foremothers they have some money and a career. The influencer SAHMs who don't work at all are in for a very rude awakening.

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11 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Oh dear.

Indeed. You can't be a tradwife without a tradhusband and they're not making those anymore. Men today expect their wives to work full time, do all the household cleaning and maintenance, childcare, social calendar management and every other little detail that makes up modern life. They expect to go to work (maybe) come home and sit down to a six course meal while their fuck maid readies the kids for bed and slips into her stinkiest lingerie so she can do all the stuff they see in porn.  It's the worst kind of trap but at least unlike the foremothers they have some money and a career. The influencer SAHMs who don't work at all are in for a very rude awakening.

I'm that 21st century wife.  I'm tired.  I'm also dealing with discipline issues at school - the boys in my little guy's class have been have been a little bit rough on the playground lately... :( 

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17 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

You can't be a tradwife without a tradhusband and they're not making those anymore.

And even when they do, even if you've got a high earner who actually does "help" around the house and shoulders some of the childcare and yada yada, what happens if your husband decides to move on to greener pastures?  What happens if he gets sick or disabled or, worst case scenario, dies?  Tradwife better hope he has/had awesome insurance.

Not being able to support yourself as an adult because you trust someone else to support you is not a good decision. 

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2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Where is your husband in all of this?

He's given the little guy tips, but it's totally not working.  My dad, on the other hand, thinks the little one needs to go into tae kwon do but the thing is, even if we got the kiddo in, he's NOT SUPPOSED to use what he learns on the playground and/or with people who are not properly trained.  So it doesn't matter.  In any case, we're working on it.  We have ALL school communication sent to our joint email account but he NEVER reads ANY of those emails.  In fact, he's accidentally deleted them a few times.  I had to fish them out of them out of the trash.  I had to remind him of the head of school's name.  

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23 minutes ago, PRgal said:

He's given the little guy tips, but it's totally not working.  My dad, on the other hand, thinks the little one needs to go into tae kwon do but the thing is, even if we got the kiddo in, he's NOT SUPPOSED to use what he learns on the playground and/or with people who are not properly trained.  So it doesn't matter.  In any case, we're working on it.  We have ALL school communication sent to our joint email account but he NEVER reads ANY of those emails.  In fact, he's accidentally deleted them a few times.  I had to fish them out of them out of the trash.  I had to remind him of the head of school's name.  

Oh dear. You need to have this out with him. I understand some men from more traditional backrounds don't really comprehend everything that goes into parenting. That was one of the best things about always at least having a part time job while my son was growing up. "Nope, I can't take Jr. to doctor appt/sports game/birthday party, gotta work that day!" My husband had no problem stepping up.

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34 minutes ago, Dimity said:

What happens if he gets sick or disabled or, worst case scenario, dies? 

 

34 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Not being able to support yourself as an adult because you trust someone else to support you is not a good decision.

Mama was right when she said you can't depend on a man.  The mister died while the kids were still in school.  So there I was with three kids to get out of high school and through college and graduate school.  I was thankfully prepared, had a job that paid the bills, they all got scholarships that covered a lot of undergrad, and we all made it through fairly well.  Vacations were not elaborate for a few years, but my parents stepped in and helped with holidays and summers.  I can't imagine if I had never worked and had to begin from scratch while grieving. 

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