S07.E10: All Fall Down (2)

[Irlandesa]

9 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

The kid who plays Christopher is recurring, he's not under contract.

He was only recurring in his first season.  He's listed with the main cast in the credits. 

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Nicolette said:

Could someone remind me what episode it was that Hen didn't save the councilwoman's son? 

2.7 “Rock the Boat” in which

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The disastrous cruise continues when Bobby and Athena respond to the ship's explosion, racing to aid injured passengers; Hen questions her instincts in a life-taking call and grows concerned about Athena and Bobby's whereabouts.

 

[possibilities]

I just looked up his page on IMDB, and I don't know when it was written, but if it's at all current, it seems like Gavin would NOT be asking to leave the show:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7320732/bio/?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

 his favorite thing in the world is "going to set" in order to act and make new friends. Gavin loves his character on "9-1-1" so much that he asks to be called "Christopher" "all the time--not just on set."

[marceline]

I agree with a lot of what's already been said but I do have one question: what was the point of the neighbor Athena found lurking about the property? I thought we were going to find out that she started the fire for some reason, like she was cooking meth. That would've made more sense than what we got.

I'm okay with Christopher leaving. He's at that age where he isn't "cute" anymore and there are plenty of younger, cuter kids on the show: Denny, Jee, now Mara. Eddie can go too.

I don't know who the Buck and Tommy daddy joke was for but I hope they enjoyed it because it just reminded me of why I don't like this couple. Tommy can do better.

Edited June 2 by marceline

[MrsDixon2U]

NGL the finale was underwhelming to me and I say that as a ride or die Bathena fan. The writing for this episode felt un-even, un-inspired, un-true to the characters we have grown to know over the years. Was the 118 collectively sedated at the hospital? Bobby, your Captain, mentor & friend just lost his home to a fire, managed to rescue his wife (who is also hospitalized) from said fire before having his heart stop for 14 minutes, is now on a ventilator, and the most you can muster up is a muted emotional response while standing around looking stupefied? Buck who loves Bobby like a father barely registered any emotion at all. I wanted Buck to Buck. Instead, what could have been a poignant callback to S6E11(with Buck holding vigil at Bobby’s bedside) never materialized and I feel cheated.

Sure, Athena is a fireball prone to act impulsively succumbing to her worst instincts, but there is no way you can convince me that the Athena who loves Bobby down to his dirty drawls would just up and disappear while he remained in such a vulnerable state. Yes, I fully expected Athena to go hunt down Amir (MJW was fabulous by the way) but given the circumstances she faced; would she really risk it all to seek retribution first? One could argue she wasn’t thinking clearly, being too consumed with anger & guilt but just how much guilt would she be carrying if Bobby had died, and she wasn’t there? On a positive note: My little heart went pitter-patter when Bobby “came back” to Athena. It was also good to see May & Harry again, reuniting the Grant-Nash family unit. Is there some unwritten rule on how many kisses Bathena can share each season? lol It just seemed odd with all the reminiscing, romantic vibes, and loving looks passed between them that they didn’t kiss in that moment. Bobby especially looked like he wanted to sop Athena up with a biscuit.  

I understand Christopher turning to his grandparents because his dad being a doofus hurt him; (obviously Eddie has some issues to work thru) and they are a safe space. What I’m giving the side-eye to is them blindsiding Eddie. They have been chomping at the bit for years for Christopher to come live with them; just showing up on Eddie’s doorstep like that (even at Christopher's request) didn’t sit right with me. And what’s the deal with Buck, he has been subdued all episode. The date he had with Tommy was kinda awkward and boring too. I don’t really care who Buck ends up with as long as he’s in a happy, healthy relationship but I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’m a little concerned about the 118 dynamic if Buddie comes to fruition. Would that break-up the team? Who would transfer out?

It was lovely of Madney to step-in and do a solid for Henren. I like how the two couples have gotten closer these past couple of months. It’s great to see the kids interact too! (shakes fist at Eddie) Henren needs a plan to fight back against that hateful wrench Councilwoman Ortiz. She is a garbage person for the pain she is inflicting on their household. Go to the press expose her trifling ass and put her abuse of power on blast! Speaking of trifling I knew Captain Gerard showing up last episode was bad news. I can’t wait till this rat faced fvcker gets his comeuppance and gets the hell off my screen.

I’ve seen the posts floating around these here interwebs bemoaning the screen time afforded AB & PK. I believe this season was an anomaly of sorts. Shortened season on a new network. When trying to bring in new viewership you bring out the big guns. AB & PK are the highest ranked actors, EPs and have the greatest name recognition (otherwise known as star power). While the 3-episode season opening cruise arc was still airing, the show was quickly picked up for its 8th season. The departure from the main premise of the show is not appreciated by many long-time viewers, myself included. I missed seeing the mix of drama, humor & crazy ass rescues that they do so well. Here’s to S8 making a return to the show we all know & love.

 *It might have given me a nervous breakdown during the show’s hiatus, but in hindsight the prior episode should have been the finale.

[Crashcourse]

1 hour ago, marceline said:

I agree with a lot of what's already been said but I do have one question: what was the point of the neighbor Athena found lurking about the property?

I think the point of the neighbor being there was so Athena could borrow her car to go look for the cartel guys.  (Or maybe Amir, I can't remember, but she needed to borrow the car.)  

[jabRI]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

I think the point of the neighbor being there was so Athena could borrow her car to go look for the cartel guys.  (Or maybe Amir, I can't remember, but she needed to borrow the car.)  

It just seemed a big set up for little payoff.  Can't think Athena would be without resources witha car.

[eel2178]

On 5/31/2024 at 8:35 PM, Calvada said:

Another thing - there's no follow up on why Bobby's heart stopped? It's not like he sneezed for 14 minutes straight, which you might wave off, his heart stopped!!  How was he so quickly approved to return to work? And Athena was fully cured from her smoke inhalation immediately as well.  Lourdes has nothing on this hospital.

They did explain that. It was from smoke inhalation. The exertion of rescuing Athena in the process probably contributed, too (that would have increased the heart muscle's need for oxygen).

When you are deprived of oxygen, your heart first slows down, then beats erratically, then stops altogether. However, as usual, the writers completely botched the resuscitation. 

With a young person or someone middle-aged who is very, very athletic, it is possible to bring back the heart rate with oxygen and an ambu bag. Bobby did it right when he immediately opened Athena's airway and started mouth to mouth. Had the paramedics immediately intubated Bobby, bagged the hell out of him with 100% oxygen, and hit him with a dose of atropine they probably would have been able to recover his heartrate immediately as well. In an older person or someone with a very unathletic heart, once he'd reached asystole, there would probably be no chance of successfully restarting the heart.

Instead, they used the usual Hollywood response of diving right into chest compressions and defibrillation before even checking his airway. A defibrillator requires some electrical activity to still be present in the heart. Thus, it can only restore your heartrate if you are in ventricular fibrillation (hence the name of the device DE-fibrillator aka "undoing the fibrillation"). Ventricular fibrillation doesn't happen with hypoxia. That would be asystole or absence of all electrical activity in the heart.

Anyone who has taken Advanced Cardiac Life Support (which should be pretty much every character on this show) knows that the algorithm for treating asystole is:

All = atropine

Trained = transcutaneous (across the skin) pacing

Dogs = dopamine

Eat = epinephrine

Iams = isuprel

If oxygen and atropine hadn't worked on Bobby, they would have moved on to an external pacemaker and the other 3 drugs, but the possibility of a successful resuscitation would have decreased as they moved down the list.

[eel2178]

On 5/31/2024 at 8:29 PM, Attatude said:

Bobby didn’t die. Peter Krause isn’t leaving.

However, he was supposed to have been dead for 14 minutes, so maybe now he'll see Ghosts.

Maybe he'll go back to MN to see his family.

Maybe he'll be at the scene of the rescues and not know which victims are Livings and which are Ghosts.

(okay, I know I have the wrong TV network for this but think of the crossover episodes)

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, eel2178 said:

Maybe he'll be at the scene of the rescues and not know which victims are Livings and which are Ghosts.

(okay, I know I have the wrong TV network for this but think of the crossover episodes)

He can get tips about talking to ghosts from JLH, the ghost whisperer herself.

[Kip Hackman]

On 5/30/2024 at 9:05 PM, Crashcourse said:

Amir didn't start the fire.

 

It was always burning, since the world's been turning.

[Clanstarling]

11 hours ago, eel2178 said:

However, he was supposed to have been dead for 14 minutes, so maybe now he'll see Ghosts.

Maybe he'll go back to MN to see his family.

Maybe he'll be at the scene of the rescues and not know which victims are Livings and which are Ghosts.

(okay, I know I have the wrong TV network for this but think of the crossover episodes)

Doesn't seem that far fetched for this show- didn't they have a plot when Buck was in a coma or something, and he "walked around" the hospital and came out of it as some kind of genius (math?). Which then tapered off.

I found this story on "Soaps" that seems to think that Gavin McHugh might be leaving, but the network hasn't commented on it. So it's speculation too.

https://soaps.sheknows.com/soaps/news/732971/christopher-leaving-911/

[Attatude]

On 6/1/2024 at 8:25 AM, KatWay said:

really? I thought the opposite. They basically got together and came out as a couple in like 2 eps and then never shared any significant scenes again. They're sorely lacking in development as a couple for now. Aside from his backstory at the 118 Tommy is basically at Marisol "just kinda there" levels of love interest.

there's surely a better middle ground between "centerpiece of the show" (which I don't think they ever were? other characters had storylines too in the two episode(s)) and "barely relevant" that I'd like the writers to cover with them.

The show needs balance. We’ve also seen a lot of Bobby lately, almost too much.  Tommy is not a main character and will never be. He’s only there as part of Buck’s story. They already have a huge cast.  Karen may seem like a minor character to us as well, but she’s not a principle, she’s a recurring.  Buck will get more air time next season.

On 5/31/2024 at 1:56 PM, DearEvette said:

Yeah. Honestly, I have not watched the last two episodes and that has never happened. This season had felt like what Lone Star feels like all the time.  That show has always prioritized the misfortunes of their main cast and Rob Lowe over the actual 911 calls.

And while this show has also had its fair share of main cast trauma, it always had a much better balance with humor and interesting rescues.  I honestly would need to go back and look and see how many rescues they did this season that did not directly involved one of their own being the rescuee.

I am crossing my fingers that the lack of rescues is a by-product of the short episode count (10 as opposed to the normal 18) and the restricted time they had in getting the shows up and going after the strike.  I checked the episode writers and they are the same people who have written rescue heavy episodes in the past.  So I am hoping a full season to course correct is on the horizon.

I will of course watch when it comes back, but if it doesn't get back that balance I'll probably not watch as regularly.

Lonestar is cringeworthy most of the time.  I don’t know what happened to that show but 9-1-1 is going the same way.

[Attatude]

On 6/1/2024 at 8:36 AM, Clanstarling said:

In this case, it's the foster parents who don't agree with the changing of the placement. So they should get their own lawyer.

3 - After that trauma, I imagine Christopher didn't get any sleep at all.

6 - Valid question, though after having gone through the desert ordeal, the house burning, and almost dying, it might have slipped his mind. (I'm not sure, now, if the desert stuff was before he quit or not)

If the actor who plays Christopher is leaving, he didn't necessarily break his contract. As I understand it, Actors aren't contracted for the run of the show, but usually season to season. Some may be contracted for multiple seasons, I'm not that familiar. But actors, especially secondary characters, do leave shows fairly regularly. Some by choice, some not.

Except Christopher is in the opening credits so he’s a principle.  I thought that because I remember thinking it was interesting he is a main character. Children usually are not in a drama and he’s not part of the firehouse. I’m posting from memory but I think the principles are Bobby, Athena, Maddie, Chimney, Hen, Buck, Eddie and Christopher.  That is more than most shows.  Now I have to go back and watch the opening credits again. Maybe someone else knows the type of contracts each actor has.

I just rewatched the opening and those I listed are all “Starring.” The credits that follow are Guest Stars.

 

Edited June 2 by Attatude

[agathapenny]

16 hours ago, MrsDixon2U said:

NGL the finale was underwhelming to me and I say that as a ride or die Bathena fan. The writing for this episode felt un-even, un-inspired, un-true to the characters we have grown to know over the years. Was the 118 collectively sedated at the hospital? Bobby, your Captain, mentor & friend just lost his home to a fire, managed to rescue his wife (who is also hospitalized) from said fire before having his heart stop for 14 minutes, is now on a ventilator, and the most you can muster up is a muted emotional response while standing around looking stupefied? Buck who loves Bobby like a father barely registered any emotion at all.

This was just one of the very underwhelming parts of the episode. Nobody seemed especially worried. They all just sort of stood around. What the heck? Buck even said later on his date with Tommy that Bobby was a father to him, and Bobby has a similar dynamic with Eddie (though different child, different relationship, lol), yet it was like they could barely muster up mild concern. I put the blame for that squarely on the writing and directing because we've seen these actors deliver in similar circumstances before. And as others have pointed out, the fact that there were no other firefighters/first responders there just rang completely false.

16 hours ago, MrsDixon2U said:

I understand Christopher turning to his grandparents because his dad being a doofus hurt him; (obviously Eddie has some issues to work thru) and they are a safe space. What I’m giving the side-eye to is them blindsiding Eddie. They have been chomping at the bit for years for Christopher to come live with them; just showing up on Eddie’s doorstep like that (even at Christopher's request) didn’t sit right with me.

I didn't think it felt like Chris was reaching out to them as a safe space, honestly, I thought it felt like he reached out to them to punish Eddie (as a teen might in such a situation). He can't be ignorant of the situation and tension between them. And I think Eddie played into their hands should they decide try for custody, which seems entirely possible given their past attitude and behaviour. They long ago gave up on Eddie as a "failure" (which is frankly bizarre) and have been trying to take Christopher ever since. With the way the writing has gone, I can see those in charge thinking that a custody battle would be a super fun storyline.

16 hours ago, MrsDixon2U said:

And what’s the deal with Buck, he has been subdued all episode. The date he had with Tommy was kinda awkward and boring too. I don’t really care who Buck ends up with as long as he’s in a happy, healthy relationship but I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’m a little concerned about the 118 dynamic if Buddie comes to fruition. Would that break-up the team? Who would transfer out?

This is TV — nobody would have to transfer out. Buck has been subdued the last number of episodes, and I was also not very inspired by the date ("Daddy issues" was gross). I still think the show should do Eddie and Buck, but if not I just want both guys to have interesting relationships.

16 hours ago, MrsDixon2U said:

Go to the press expose her trifling ass and put her abuse of power on blast! Speaking of trifling I knew Captain Gerard showing up last episode was bad news. I can’t wait till this rat faced fvcker gets his comeuppance and gets the hell off my screen.

Yup. These two cannot exit stage left fast enough for my taste, but I don't think that's going to happen.

16 hours ago, MrsDixon2U said:

I’ve seen the posts floating around these here interwebs bemoaning the screen time afforded AB & PK. I believe this season was an anomaly of sorts. Shortened season on a new network. When trying to bring in new viewership you bring out the big guns. AB & PK are the highest ranked actors, EPs and have the greatest name recognition (otherwise known as star power).The departure from the main premise of the show is not appreciated by many long-time viewers, myself included. I missed seeing the mix of drama, humor & crazy ass rescues that they do so well. Here’s to S8 making a return to the show we all know & love.

I love Bobby and Athena, so I haven't been as annoyed as some, but yes, the disparity in the screen time was pretty glaring for this show. I think you're right about why. That wasn't even my main issue with the season. I think they totally dropped the ball by turning the show into a misery porn soap opera rather than the successful formula of mixing action, humour and drama they had before. And terrible retread storylines for like, half the cast.

Edited June 2 by agathapenny

[Diana Berry]

21 hours ago, possibilities said:

I just looked up his page on IMDB, and I don't know when it was written, but if it's at all current, it seems like Gavin would NOT be asking to leave the show:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7320732/bio/?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

 

 

I read on some boards his family leaving LA. 

[Irlandesa]

24 minutes ago, Diana Berry said:

I read on some boards his family leaving LA. 

From what I've read, there has been some misinformation around that. His family has already left LA and he has been commuting for the past couple of seasons.  I could see him dropping down to recurring, though, if the juggling for both the show and the actor has become too much.

[Diana Berry]

9 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

From what I've read, there has been some misinformation around that. His family has already left LA and he has been commuting for the past couple of seasons.  I could see him dropping down to recurring, though, if the juggling for both the show and the actor has become too much.

If he was going to recurring why not just give him a happy storyline.  He could have been accepted into some cool school that out of state. 

[Attatude]

7 hours ago, Diana Berry said:

If he was going to recurring why not just give him a happy storyline.  He could have been accepted into some cool school that out of state. 

Because they have to keep dumping on Eddie.  I felt so badly for him, but he hasn’t been the best father lately.

[agathapenny]

56 minutes ago, Attatude said:

Because they have to keep dumping on Eddie.  I felt so badly for him, but he hasn’t been the best father lately.

The guy made one mistake as a dad (even though he clearly had no intention of ever letting Christopher meet Kim, and it was just bad timing) and hurt his son emotionally, and immediately owned it.

I see some people (not you) saying he should lose his son over it and I think that's ridiculous in the extreme. Parents, people, aren't perfect. Eddie's actually been shown to be a pretty awesome dad for what, the last six/seven years? Even now, he's trying to do what's best for his son at the expense of his own heart. I think he's earned some grace here.

And honestly, if the actor doesn't want to work as much they didn't even need a story to explain it. A throwaway about him spending a night at a friend's place is really all that would have been needed occasionally. It's not like the other kids are a constant presence, especially if we could actually go back to 9-1-1 being a show primarily about first responders doing their jobs.

And if the actor want to leave — recast.

Edited June 3 by agathapenny

[Attatude]

On 6/2/2024 at 8:10 PM, agathapenny said:

The guy made one mistake as a dad (even though he clearly had no intention of ever letting Christopher meet Kim, and it was just bad timing) and hurt his son emotionally, and immediately owned it.

I see some people (not you) saying he should lose his son over it and I think that's ridiculous in the extreme. Parents, people, aren't perfect. Eddie's actually been shown to be a pretty awesome dad for what, the last six/seven years? Even now, he's trying to do what's best for his son at the expense of his own heart. I think he's earned some grace here.

And honestly, if the actor doesn't want to work as much they didn't even need a story to explain it. A throwaway about him spending a night at a friend's place is really all that would have been needed occasionally. It's not like the other kids are a constant presence, especially if we could actually go back to 9-1-1 being a show primarily about first responders doing their jobs.

And if the actor want to leave — recast.

It’s another bad mistake made by the writers this season.  Even Mae and Henry were quietly written out until this season.  They didn’t need to be so drastic.

 

Edited June 6 by Attatude

[Mod-Tigerkatze]

Hi everyone, 

just dropping in with a quick reminder to please speculate in the spoiler and speculation topic. 

Thank you and carry on. 

[shapeshifter]

9 hours ago, Mod-Tigerkatze said:

Hi everyone, 

just dropping in with a quick reminder to please speculate in the spoiler and speculation topic. 

Thank you and carry on. 

Maybe it would help if there was also a Non-Spoiler Speculation thread?🤷🏻‍♀️

I can start one if all y'all want one.

Edited June 5 by shapeshifter

[KeithJ]

On 6/1/2024 at 7:47 PM, MrsDixon2U said:

Councilwoman Ortiz. She is a garbage person for the pain she is inflicting on their household. Go to the press expose her trifling ass and put her abuse of power on blast! Speaking of trifling I knew Captain Gerard showing up last episode was bad news. I can’t wait till this rat faced fvcker gets his comeuppance and gets the hell off my screen.

I know this show is a drama but creating drama like this just for the sake of drama is so annoying and not needed.

[buttersister]

For a moment, I thought Bobby had one of those Jack Pearson heart attacks. But Jack was already in a hospital, so…never mind.

Edited September 23 by buttersister

[mostlylurking]

On 5/30/2024 at 11:21 PM, agathapenny said:

Eddie was absolutely heartbreaking. I don't give a crap whether we see either of the women again, but the punishment here does not, in my estimation, fit the "crime" — which was basically Eddie trying to figure out a way to finally move on (no matter how much I hate this rewriting of history that somehow he was still hung up on Shannon in the first place). i hate that his parents managed to manipulate him in a moment of weakness to give up his child, thinking he's doing the right thing. You can see what a great dad Eddie is with him telling Chris, while his heart is breaking, that he loves him and will always be there for him, no matter what, swallowing his own feelings to do what he's being told is right.

I did like that Buck was part of the whole thing. Buck, Eddie and Chris are family, no matter the framing you put on it.

I hated that Christopher was allowed to go with the grandparents, and for an open ended period of time at that!  5 days, 5 months, 5 YEARS?!  Just no.  Like some others said, Eddie has a lot of problems but he is not a dead beat dad.  He loves Christopher so much and the fact that his parents are so gung ho on taking Christopher away instead of encouraging the two to work out their differences is awful.  The way they showed up on his doorstep without any warning because of a phone call was out of line.  I did like Buck stepping in to help.

I’m glad Bobby’s yearly existential crisis was wrapped up and I hope we don’t get another for a good long time.  I will miss MJW though.  I thought it was weird that Maddie would just give Athena Amir’s address all willy nilly but then I realized she thought Athena was on duty.  And I loved Maddie answering the phone with her married name!  I just love Maddie and Chim.