S01.E01: Part One - Master and Apprentice / S01.E02: Part Two - Toil and Trouble

[FierceCritter]

1 hour ago, Shanna Marie said:

the book Splinter of the Mind's Eye

OMG, I LOVED that book. 

And would love to find a copy and re-read it now that we know Luke & Leia are siblings. 🤨

[Morrigan2575]

9 minutes ago, paigow said:

Rey was the last Jedi. If Ahsoka had been alive, Luke would have contacted her before dying. Similarly, Ezra would have killed Kylo easily. Odds are that both of them never made it back from the galaxy farther away.

Ahsoka was alive...at least that's what they said after RoS. 

4 minutes ago, Dani said:

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He is included in one of the Lego sets released for the show. That set also included to new Ghost crew members so he should appear soon. 

No one knows for certain but this was designed to culminate in a big finale movie with the other Filoni/Favereau shows so I would be surprised if it is one and done. 

Oh that was legit? I thought that stuff about a crossover movie was speculation.  I'd pay to see a Feloni/Favreau Universe movie, not sure about anything else Lucas Film is planning. 

[DoctorAtomic]

13 minutes ago, FierceCritter said:

I can see that kind of Empire loyalty, particularly if they had it better under the Empire than they do with the Republic. Like the doctor in Mandalorian Season 3.

Certainly. That's a big if. The doctor is quite different than a mechanic making hyper drive cores. My criticism is mainly the people they showed here. I generally agree conceptually. Also I don't know that we need this on every show. 

[FierceCritter]

1 hour ago, Uncle JUICE said:

As to the slow and somewhat expository pace, do you think maybe that's because they can't assume everyone knows who these people are? We have an existing relationship with these characters, and I think their biggest challenge is to hook those that don't. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to find the why. 

The uncharacteristically cynical part of me thinks the pace is to pad out the episodes because 1) Maybe they paid attention to viewers complaining about the short length of some of the other shows and 2) Opted to drag things out rather than write-in more dialogue and/or action.

[DoctorAtomic]

I'm not privy to all the TV business, but I assumed this was multiple seasons because Ahsoka is such a popular character and Thrawn has a huge history outside of TV and the movies. 

[Shanna Marie]

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

The new Republic really failed at dealing with the huge amount of people who worked for the Empire, they either let them go about their day without any kind of oversight, which let lots of Empire sympathizers have the opportunity to sow the seeds that will lead to the First order,

There are analogies in history, like the aftermath of the Civil War or even post WWII in Germany. When such huge amounts of the population were involved with the enemy movement, society can't survive without keeping around some of the former enemies in key roles. There might have been a lot of sympathy toward the rebellion, but a tiny fraction of the Empire was actually actively involved in the rebellion, and there's a good bet that anyone in any kind of critical role would have been at least paying lip service to the Empire or they wouldn't keep that job. These are all people who'd have grown up with Imperial propaganda. And, as was pointed out, there was greed involved. If the Republic isn't looking super stable, some may have wanted to hedge their bets. The Republic was pretty naive and trusting, but they were so worried about turning into another Empire that they went the opposite direction and left the door open. Anyway, it rings rather true when you look at history.

55 minutes ago, FierceCritter said:

Once I read somewhere that they were intended to look akin to wood carvings, I liked the animation style a LOT better. 

The movements/animation improved somewhat over time.

But why wood carvings? It doesn't really fit the story, unlike The Book of Life, in which the characters were supposed to look like those dolls/puppets (and Diego Luna voiced the main character, so I guess it's 2 degrees from Star Wars). There's no reason for wood carvings to be acting out this story. That's why I just see action figures acting out the story, which does fit. They did get better. I was able to watch the final seasons of both Rebels and Clone Wars, and The Bad Batch looks pretty good. Not current Pixar good, but maybe 90s Pixar good.

58 minutes ago, FierceCritter said:

I get really, REALLY tired of things going awry because someone was a bubblehead. It's why I can't watch re-runs of I Love Lucy now that I'm an adult, whereas I loved it when I was a kid. It's boring, frustrating, and infuriating, and I'm just short of yelling, "DON'T DO IT!!!" at my TV screen.

Even as a kid, I had to hide behind the sofa to watch reruns of I Love Lucy (also Gilligan's Island and everything else that relied on Idiot Plotting, in which the plot wouldn't happen if the characters weren't idiots). And I frequently yelled "Don't Do It!" at my TV screen during Rebels. I may have shouted "You idiot!" at Sabine when she was off on her own in an isolated place with the gizmo everyone was after.

1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

The master/apprentice then happened in the meantime, the aftermath we're seeing now. 

Thank you. I feel much saner now. I couldn't believe I'd missed something so major, but it turns out I didn't. So there were two time jumps in the Rebels coda. We jumped to right after ROTJ, showing the end of the war and Hera with her son, and then jumped 5 or so more years into the future after that (depending on how this slots into the Mandalorian timeline) to Sabine going off with Ahsoka to find Ezra. I doubt they meant for it to be that much later when they made the end of Rebels, but they didn't give a specific timestamp, so it's not exactly a retcon.

[paigow]

After WW2, the legendary Gen. Patton was appointed Military Governor of Bavaria. He was fired because he resisted De-Nazification of the civil service on the grounds that local infrastructure would collapse.

Edited August 25, 2023 by paigow

[magdalene]

Ahsoka doesn't seem to have a lot of personality, she is so stern. I remember though she did smile when she was with Grogu and came across as delighted with him. Of course that was Grogu.  She also seemed more lively with Luke and Din.  She and Sabine have anti-chemistry so far.

[Sakura12]

I'm going with Ahsoka is more serious now because she feels the real threat of Thrawn coming through the force and wants to prevent another war. 

When she was with Dinn, Grogu and Luke she had only heard rumors now she knows its possible for him to come back. If people haven't watched Rebels or read the books they don't know how much of a threat Thrawn is. I hope they can bring that to this show. Vader and Palpatine were angry villians, Thrawn is not. 

 

 

[DoctorAtomic]

Vader and Palpatine were practically unhinged compared to Thrawn. 

[formerlyfreedom]

Hello, all - let's please try to keep the non-episode talk to a minimum in here, since there will certainly be posters who have not watched the preceding series or possibly even *gasp* the movies. This isn't to say that you can't mention events from Star Wars Rebels or The Clone Wars in here, just please try to keep posts mostly about episode discussion.  Here's a topic for the deep dive discussions!

Thank you.

[Tachi Rocinante]

18 hours ago, FierceCritter said:

OMG, I LOVED that book. 

And would love to find a copy and re-read it now that we know Luke & Leia are siblings. 🤨

It can get a little skeevy.  Foster didn't know that little tidbit when he wrote it.

[paigow]

16 hours ago, Sakura12 said:

I'm going with Ahsoka is more serious now

This series could be called Gamora... 

[Shanna Marie]

1 hour ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

19 hours ago, FierceCritter said:

OMG, I LOVED that book. 

And would love to find a copy and re-read it now that we know Luke & Leia are siblings. 🤨

It can get a little skeevy.  Foster didn't know that little tidbit when he wrote it.

I'm going to take this to the general Star Wars thread on the Ahsoka forum.

[benteen]

I like it so far. As a fan of The Clone Wars from the beginning and Rebels, it's thrilling to see this story continue on live action. Lothal looks amazing "in the flesh", the FX is much better here than in recent Marvel productions and features a great Star Wars score. The story has real potential here to be epic.

The first episode needed tighter editing. Sequences went on for way too long like Ahsoka at the Temple. On the subject of "weird pauses" I've been concerned with what I see as stiffness in the acting. Fan of the Ahsoka character from the beginning and I like Rosario Dawson quote a bit but she has been very monotone from the beginning. Stiff and with exactly two facial expressions. I get that she is an older and wiser Jedi who has been through a lot. I wouldn't expect her to be her teenage self but I find the initial portrayel here along with Luke's portrayal in The Book of Boba Fett to be off-putting. Ahsoka left the Jedi Order and Anakin's unorthodox training allowed her to survive. She became her best Jedi leaving the Order. Luke was trained later in life and rejected established Jedi belief when he saved Anakin. This should be shown in their personalities instead of them becoming the rigid and dogmatic Jedi we've seen in recent appearances. I hope we'll see Dawson's portrayal of Ahsoka loosen up and made add some more facial expressions. Right now she is playing Ahsoka so stoic in voice and expression that it is sapping some of the energy out of her scenes.

Nice to see the late, great Ray Stevenson again. His character of Baylan is intriguing although has been strangely passive since his opening scene. Stevenson is capable of even more and I hope they let him cut loose. His Olson sister looking apprentice has potential too but hasn't been given much to do other than stare. Morgan seems to be the Lost intriguing villain so far and the Nightsister background explains a lot.

Love MEW as Hera. The character's likeabilty really bounces off of the screen. Like Sabine's portrayal too and the decision for her to train as a Jedi. It's interesting to see someone who doesn't have the Force do so and I think it works in these early days after the Empire. 

Clancy Brown! Chopper! Really liked the chase into space with Hera. Again, the FX and scope is impressive. Very happy to see Huyang again and David Tennant return to voice him.

I've heard some interesting theories on where this might be headed. I wish the awful sequel trilogy would be ignored though. That is definitely an anchor on things.

Despite some reservations, definitely looking forward to more.

Edited August 25, 2023 by benteen

[cmfran]

Dropping in here to figure out if I should watch. Except for the first 2 seasons of the Mandalorian, I have not been a fan of any of the Disney series so far. Obi-Wan and Book Of Boba Fett were both meh for me, and I got 2 eps into Andor before I bailed out. I couldn't understand what was going on in that one for the life of me.

[Captain Stable]

On 8/24/2023 at 5:39 PM, FierceCritter said:

I never actually saw ANY Jedi have this ability [Force healing] until Rise of Skywalker.
 

There is an argument that Obi-Wan used Force healing on Luke in New Hope, when he first appeared. Luke had been knocked unconscious by the Tuskens, Obi-Wan frightened them off, then placed his hands on Luke's forehead. Luke then woke up right away.

Now I know in the real world this was never planned, but it could be Retconned ot be Force Healing :) 

[Grimnar]

I think for these who didn't see Rebels or don't know at least basic about story and characters can be little lost  before they catch up in later episodes.

As mentioned before pace was little slow.

I wonder if they are going to explain why they didn't involve/mentioned Luke so far. While Ahsoka is more experienced than Luke, another Jedi would help if they are going againts several Force users.

About the workers loyal to Empire, there is no way how New Republic is going to replace all  mid to low levels workers in every big company, because they can be loyal to Empire. But I agree that there is no reason why they would be loyal to Empire as long nothing changed for them under New Republic.

[DoctorAtomic]

I think the easy out would be that Luke is trying to form a new academy and is preoccupied to go to another galaxy. 

[Ottis]

I’ve watched literally the first 4 minutes, and it comes across as Spaceballs. The uniforms on the Imperial cruiser look like a kids show. I hope the story is better.

[tkc]

On 8/23/2023 at 1:42 AM, thuganomics85 said:

I think it did a good job at establishing Ezra Bridger as someone important to Ahsoka, Sabine, and the rest of the gang...

Those who have watched Rebels: Where is Ezra Bridger?

Those who have not watched Rebels: I'll do you one better: Who is Ezra Bridger?

Drax: I'll do YOU one better: Why is Ezra Bridger?

[Kel Varnsen]

I never watched any of the cartoons that led into this so I am not yet sure if I care for the actual story. It did make me have a bunch of random thoughts though.

When those evil former Jedi took over that ship and did all of the blaster blocking, all I could think of was if you got rid of those blasters and used a real gun, where you can't see the bullets, it would be a lot harder to stop. On the other hand Ahsoka fighting those droids on the temple planet and using a combination of her light sabres and the force was pretty cool. 

I also find it kind of annoying that there is Wren on this show and Kylo Ren in the movies. I know they are not connected but it's weird.

When they were chasing that ship with the hyperdrive I was shocked to see a Star Wars ship that actually had guns that could shoot backwards. How many times would those have come in handy in the movies. But the droid actually using his arms to throw the tracker looked dumb.

On 9/1/2023 at 4:34 PM, tkc said:

Those who have not watched Rebels: I'll do you one better: Who is Ezra Bridger?

I have no idea who Ezra is, so every time they mention him I think of that awesome Norm MacDonald joke about how Better Than Ezra was #1 on the college music charts and at number 2: Ezra.

[johntfs]

On 9/1/2023 at 3:34 PM, tkc said:

Those who have watched Rebels: Where is Ezra Bridger?

Those who have not watched Rebels: I'll do you one better: Who is Ezra Bridger?

Drax: I'll do YOU one better: Why is Ezra Bridger?

Questions in order:

We don't know where Ezra is but the other characters hope that finding Thrawn will lead them to him.

Ezra was a teen and eventual apprentice Jedi of Kanan, the father of Hera's kid and another member of the core Rebels group.

Well, when a mommy Bridger and a daddy Bridger love each other very, very much...

[Kirbyrun]

On 8/24/2023 at 2:36 PM, FierceCritter said:

OMG, I LOVED that book. 

And would love to find a copy and re-read it now that we know Luke & Leia are siblings. 🤨

Still have my copy and actually re-read it recently. 
 

It’s…pretty incesty. 

[Shanna Marie]

36 minutes ago, Kirbyrun said:

Still have my copy and actually re-read it recently. 
 

It’s…pretty incesty. 

Think of it as taking place in an alternate universe in which Luke and Leia weren't related at all and weren't related to Darth Vader, since that's the universe in which it was written, as Lucas hadn't yet decided on the family connections at that time.

[aemom]

So we've been watching Rebels as a family for about the last six months and finally got it finished to start watching Ahsoka.

We watched the first two episodes and it was cool to see some of the animated stuff in live action.  Lothal and the Loth-cats were well done.

We were about 5 minutes into episode when my husband remarked: "I just realized this isn't animated." We all cracked up! 🤣