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22 hours ago, Marley said:

Kanye doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but himself. Everything he does is for attention. 

Because he is so desperate for attention, people prey on him to accomplish some pretty hateful stuff. They massage his ego and he jumps through whatever hoop they hold up.

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10 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Because he is so desperate for attention, people prey on him to accomplish some pretty hateful stuff. They massage his ego and he jumps through whatever hoop they hold up.

Kanye is an adult and claims to be very intelligent, so I don't buy that he's so easily manipulated.

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28 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

Kanye is an adult and claims to be very intelligent, so I don't buy that he's so easily manipulated.

Kanye is a full-blown narcissist, as in narcissistic personality disorder. They manipulate, but can also be manipulated because they need a continuous source of “narcissistic supply.” Just as a narcissist plays on the vulnerabilities of others, he can also be played by those who understand the need for supply. Right now somebody wants him to buy Parler.

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I wonder how much longer companies will continue to provide Ye a platform.  
 

I just deleted the link about the Ye supporters in LA on the overpass.  I’m not clear what is considered political.  But, you can see it on TMZ.  Scary stuff.  

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Haven't posted in a few days, but found something good, & something absolutely hysterical.

First the good, it's about time

Vogue says it has ‘no intention’ of working with Kanye West in future

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“Anna has had enough,” an insider told us, adding, “She has made it very clear inside Vogue that Kanye is no longer part of the inner circle.”

Now the hysterical. We finally know why he kept coming after Pete

Why Kanye West screamed at Charlamagne tha God over Pete Davidson’s ‘10-inch penis’

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“He’s [West] basically trying to get me on board to s–t on somebody he knows is my friend, Pete Davidson,” the radio vet remembered. “He’s like, ‘we got to save the new Marilyn Monroe,’ talking about Kim. I’m like, ‘you know Pete is my friend, right?'”

Charlamagne further claimed that the “Donda” rapper got even more heated and went “on and on” for awhile, screaming, “My wife is out here f–king a white boy with a 10-inch penis, and you won’t help me? … You’re telling me that’s your friend, but you’re supposed to be culture?'”

Poor, poor Ye & his teeny little weenie 🤣🤣🤣

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11 minutes ago, GaT said:

Haven't posted in a few days, but found something good, & something absolutely hysterical.

First the good, it's about time

Vogue says it has ‘no intention’ of working with Kanye West in future

Now the hysterical. We finally know why he kept coming after Pete

Why Kanye West screamed at Charlamagne tha God over Pete Davidson’s ‘10-inch penis’

Poor, poor Ye & his teeny little weenie 🤣🤣🤣

Lord you got to laugh because otherwise you need to cry or just want to rage because the s*** is just so dysfunctional.

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Up to now I have merely dismissed all the Kardashian-Jenners and their various fake, so-called "romantic" partners and hangers-on as fake, phony, ridiculous, pathetic, obnoxious, shallow, mercenary, delusional, etc. In other words, who the hell cares? But with Kanye it's different. His combination of severe mental illness, delusional bizarre political affiliations, anti-Semitic rantings and mega pubic platform have actually created a dangerous in-the-streets situation. Kim and her family are not responsible for Kanye's rantings and do not support them, but Kim already knew that Kanye was mentally ill before she married/procreated with him in order to leverage his connections to the fashion "elite", aka Anna Wintour, (whose own relevancy expiration date passed years ago.)  So no, I do not blame Kim & Co. for the Kanye anti-Semitic shitstorm nor do I believe they share his sentiments, but for Kris J. and her price chess piece, Kim, Kanye was just a means to an end for fashion world legitimacy. Everything that goes around, comes around. Admit it or not, Kris & Kim, you helped to build this Kanye Frankenstein.

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1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Another one breaks ties. Why is Adidas staying silent?  That speaks volumes.  Aren’t they accountable to shareholders?  
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11349661/Kanye-West-DROPPED-Johnny-Depps-lawyer-Camille-Vasquez-talent-agency-CAA.html

This could be why Adidas is not really saying anything publicly

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Adidas has stayed silent amid Kanye West's continued anti-Semitic rants -- and now, folks are calling on a boycott if they don't cut ties, especially with their own Nazi history in mind.

The fact Adidas hasn't dropped the guy like so many other companies have done -- let alone issue a statement of condemnation over all this -- is speaking volumes in the minds of many ... and now #boycottadidas is trending, with a lot of folks claiming the shoe company is putting profits over ethics ... as their Yeezy line is still raking in big time cash.

Of course, the bigger backdrop of all this is the fact that the founders of the company -- a German-based family named the Dasslers -- have Nazi ties dating back to the '30s. The brothers joined the party, and they even supplied athletic footwear to Nazis in those days.

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Well, that didn't last long

Kanye West No Longer Working with Johnny Depp's Attorney Camille Vasquez

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Sources with direct knowledge tell us after Kanye doubled and tripled-down on his anti-Semitic remarks over the weekend, Camille informed her firm, Brown Rudnick, she would no longer work with Kanye.

We're told Brown Rudnick still attempted to work with Kanye, but only under the condition he publicly retract his hateful and anti-Semitic words. Our sources say Kanye refused to do so, and fired Brown Rudnick.

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9 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

But I'm just going to ask it: where was all this backlash back when Kanye was ranting about how "slavery was a choice"?

I have the same question. 

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I’m glad it’s reported that his fortune is crumbling.  Not sure if that’s true.  If he has less assets, perhaps, he’ll lose some steam in the hate department.  
 

I don’t see Ye as a victim though.  He chooses his battles and digs his heels in.  

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5 hours ago, carolinagirl81 said:

Adidas pulls the plug on Kanye and Yeezy

But I'm sure they about to make even more money on a massive cell before they pull his products from the market and I'm sure the resellers are making hand over fist from people still wanting Kanye product

Yeah, I'm so impressed with how fast you got on top of this Adidas. This is their actual statement:

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Notice the last paragraph, they own all the rights to Yeezy products they worked on. If they didn't do you think they would have ended the partnership?

Also, Gap removes all Yeezy merchandise and shuts down YeezyGap.com

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1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

But I'm just going to ask it: where was all this backlash back when Kanye was ranting about how "slavery was a choice"?

EXACTLY! 

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Yeah, I'm so impressed with how fast you got on top of this Adidas. This is their actual statement:

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Notice the last paragraph, they own all the rights to Yeezy products they worked on. If they didn't do you think they would have ended the partnership?

Also, Gap removes all Yeezy merchandise and shuts down YeezyGap.com

Of course not. They'll still get the money from Yeezy but just not give any to Kanye. 

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9 minutes ago, GaT said:

Yeah, I'm so impressed with how fast you got on top of this Adidas. This is their actual statement:

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Notice the last paragraph, they own all the rights to Yeezy products they worked on. If they didn't do you think they would have ended the partnership?

Also, Gap removes all Yeezy merchandise and shuts down YeezyGap.com

They probably took so long because their lawyers needed to go through the contract & check that they could get out of it cleanly.

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18 minutes ago, GaT said:

Yeah, I'm so impressed with how fast you got on top of this Adidas. This is their actual statement:

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Notice the last paragraph, they own all the rights to Yeezy products they worked on. If they didn't do you think they would have ended the partnership?

Also, Gap removes all Yeezy merchandise and shuts down YeezyGap.com

“Immediately.” 🤦‍♀️ Sorry, 2 days too late. I won’t ever be buying Adidas again. And when I boycott, it’s for life. I’m 54 and have still never even been in a Walmart. 

10 minutes ago, Welshman in Ca said:

They probably took so long because their lawyers needed to go through the contract & check that they could get out of it cleanly.

Too bad. They could have put out some kind of statement days ago, at least denouncing Kanye’s sickening statements, but they chose silence. Disgraceful. 

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Guess what folks, freedom of speech doesn’t mean no consequences.

you can say what you want, but companies and consumers are then free to say they want nothing to do with you. And that’s not “cancel” culture. It’s what republicans used to be all about, it’s Capitalism.

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13 minutes ago, Wanda said:

Guess what folks, freedom of speech doesn’t mean no consequences.

you can say what you want, but companies and consumers are then free to say they want nothing to do with you. And that’s not “cancel” culture. It’s what republicans used to be all about, it’s Capitalism.

Yes things you say have consequences, however where was all this energy when Kanye was saying that slavery was a choice. 

All of these big corporations ending their professional relationship with Kanye is once again showing me what type of "animal" big corporate is and how performative they are.

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So, he could actually suffer financially.  
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11352523/Kanye-West-net-worth-2022.html

I can only speculate about Ye’s negative comments, but the latest ones target a group of people that he stated he would go death con on.  That actual physical threat is perhaps more impactful than the comment of his previous  opinion about slavery. 

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34 minutes ago, carolinagirl81 said:

Yes things you say have consequences, however where was all this energy when Kanye was saying that slavery was a choice. 

All of these big corporations ending their professional relationship with Kanye is once again showing me what type of "animal" big corporate is and how performative they are.

Not only corporations, but too many people are just blowing off what he says as either they don't care, or it's because of his "mental illness" People should have stopped buying his merchandise & his music the moment they heard him say slavery was a choice. Then him wearing the WLM didn't do it either, & even though a lot of people & corporations are finally saying something after the anti-Semitic remarks, there are still people who are supporting him. I don't get it, what does he have to do or say before people will realize that he's wrong? 

And I have to say something that has been circling in my brain for a while. I think Ye is saying all these things in a very calculated move. He doesn't care how people talk about him, as long as they're talking about him. This got me thinking, we know he's been diagnosed as being bipolar. Or do we? The reason we know this is because Ye said he was.  Ye said he was. And everyone just believed him, because why would anyone lie about that? Well, I think he would. He keeps using his "mental illness" as an excuse for saying anything he wants, but what if it wasn't true? What if it's just another one of his interesting "beliefs", or a way to get people talking about him. He even has the whole story about not taking his meds, well, that would also work if he had never been diagnosed to begin with. Just something that I've been wondering about.

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1 minute ago, GaT said:

Not only corporations, but too many people are just blowing off what he says as either they don't care, or it's because of his "mental illness" People should have stopped buying his merchandise & his music the moment they heard him say slavery was a choice. Then him wearing the WLM didn't do it either, & even though a lot of people & corporations are finally saying something after the anti-Semitic remarks, there are still people who are supporting him. I don't get it, what does he have to do or say before people will realize that he's wrong? 

And I have to say something that has been circling in my brain for a while. I think Ye is saying all these things in a very calculated move. He doesn't care how people talk about him, as long as they're talking about him. This got me thinking, we know he's been diagnosed as being bipolar. Or do we? The reason we know this is because Ye said he was.  Ye said he was. And everyone just believed him, because why would anyone lie about that? Well, I think he would. He keeps using his "mental illness" as an excuse for saying anything he wants, but what if it wasn't true? What if it's just another one of his interesting "beliefs", or a way to get people talking about him. He even has the whole story about not taking his meds, well, that would also work if he had never been diagnosed to begin with. Just something that I've been wondering about.

I mean it  was in the hospital under a 5150 and due to HIPAA we can't view his hospital records for his stay that weekend but he was hospitalized by his personal doctor due to his alarming behavior prior to his diagnosis.

I am inclined to believe that he does have bipolar disorder but he's still a problematic man who's saying/doing extremely problematic things. Both things can be true.

Before these incidences over the last few days and weeks If you go back through all of his career from the early days and his various interviews and whatnot He's always said off the wall things but that was when people were kissing his ass and singing his praises and some of them are still kissing his ass and singing his praises no matter what.

33 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

So, he could actually suffer financially.  
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11352523/Kanye-West-net-worth-2022.html

I can only speculate about Ye’s negative comments, but the latest ones target a group of people that he stated he would go death con on.  That actual physical threat is perhaps more impactful than the comment of his previous  opinion about slavery. 

Not in my opinion.

And yes he's suffering financially slightly but he won't be regular person broke by no means. 

He is still a multi-millionaire Still bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions in income.

He's got a million different streams of income from his music albums to being writers on other people's music to being producers on other people's music, He's getting royalty checks for all that. Among all his other things.

The Gap and Adidas were like his two biggest contacts/deals

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3 hours ago, carolinagirl81 said:

Yes things you say have consequences, however where was all this energy when Kanye was saying that slavery was a choice. 

All of these big corporations ending their professional relationship with Kanye is once again showing me what type of "animal" big corporate is and how performative they are.

There WAS a dust-up when Kanye said slavery was a choice.  Appalling opinion at the time - still is.  Many folks could have cut ties with Kanye then - some may have, many did not.  Whether written off as a one-off bi-polar rant or excused or ignored - people continued to buy his shoes, clothing & music, attend his concerts.  He was still invited to Trump's White House.  Still lauded as a genius by some.  Entitled to his opinion and lst amendment rights. To me, the media focus was primarily on African-American backlash but they weren't the only group that commented - and not the only group ever enslaved.  Jews were slaves in Egypt & slave labor in German death camps. Other groups have been enslaved too.  What "choice" does ANY slave have - no matter their race, religion or creed?  His opinion was offensive to MANY.   

But now he's gone BEYOND offensive opinion - he's wished DEATH on an entire group of people based on their religion.  (Happens to be a people who vowed "NEVER AGAIN" after 6 million were wiped off the earth for nothing more than being born into that religion.) When questioned, he simply doubled down.  And triggered others who agree with him. (Like those on the 405 overpass. If you know anything about L.A., don't mess with the friggin' traffic - it's bad enough!)

He wants to be provocative. As with WLM.  But does he know or care where to draw the line? So he's being dropped NOW - not because it depends on whose "ox is gored" or which groups are more vocal - but likely, because some think a DEATH threat should be the LAST straw, enough is enough.  It's not just a tremendously stupid opinion or provocative behavior - it's wishing DEATH on people. And cummulative now when put together with his history of stupid comments.  And which companies cannot fund or give a platform to - lest he call others to action.

It's matters not what type of "animal" or how "performative" a company may be or which group of people complains.  A company is a BUSINESS - capitalism - money.  I'd bet NONE of these companies took lightly the loss of business & financial hit they'll take. But where the company is forced to look at the values of who they sponsor & the platform that person chooses to take - if it doesn't match the company values -- or simply a liability - it's time to sever ties. And they did.  They drew the line because Kanye did not.  And before he did even worse.

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1 hour ago, carolinagirl81 said:

He is still a multi-millionaire Still bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions in income.

He's still got his Prayer Academy for Future Philosophy Majors income stream. 

I don't have the answers as to why 'slavery was a choice' didn't have as much traction. It should have. But I can promise you that like all the companies and donors that ran away during a certain event in early January 2021 and then came crawling back once the heat died down...Ye will get his major sponsors back. People have no long term memories for anything any more. He won't be broke. He still has a platform. The only way Kanye will feel the pain is if people stop paying attention to him.

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3 hours ago, carolinagirl81 said:

Yes things you say have consequences, however where was all this energy when Kanye was saying that slavery was a choice. 

All of these big corporations ending their professional relationship with Kanye is once again showing me what type of "animal" big corporate is and how performative they are.

You’re absolutely right. Where were they then? Some of us have been done with him for many years now .

28 minutes ago, realityplease said:

There WAS a dust-up when Kanye said slavery was a choice.  Appalling opinion at the time - still is.  Many folks could have cut ties with Kanye then - some may have, many did not.  Whether written off as a one-off bi-polar rant or excused or ignored - people continued to buy his shoes, clothing & music, attend his concerts.  He was still invited to Trump's White House.  Still lauded as a genius by some.  Entitled to his opinion and lst amendment rights. To me, the media focus was primarily on African-American backlash but they weren't the only group that commented - and not the only group ever enslaved.  Jews were slaves in Egypt & slave labor in German death camps. Other groups have been enslaved too.  What "choice" does ANY slave have - no matter their race, religion or creed?  His opinion was offensive to MANY.   

But now he's gone BEYOND offensive opinion - he's wished DEATH on an entire group of people based on their religion.  (Happens to be a people who vowed "NEVER AGAIN" after 6 million were wiped off the earth for nothing more than being born into that religion.) When questioned, he simply doubled down.  And triggered others who agree with him. (Like those on the 405 overpass. If you know anything about L.A., don't mess with the friggin' traffic - it's bad enough!)

He wants to be provocative. As with WLM.  But does he know or care where to draw the line? So he's being dropped NOW - not because it depends on whose "ox is gored" or which groups are more vocal - but likely, because some think a DEATH threat should be the LAST straw, enough is enough.  It's not just a tremendously stupid opinion or provocative behavior - it's wishing DEATH on people. Which they will not fund or give a platform to - lest he call others to action.

It's matters not what type of "animal" or how "performative" a company may be or which group of people complains.  A company is a BUSINESS - capitalism - money.  I'd bet NONE of these companies took lightly the loss of business & financial hit they'll take. But where the company is forced to look at the values of who they're dealing with & the platform that person chooses to take - if it doesn't match the company values - or is simply a liability - it's time to sever ties. And they did.

Believe it or not, I just spent the past hour arguing with people on Twitter who are supporting Kanye’s comments about slavery being a choice. Yes, they’re agreeing with him. There is no bottom to some people’s sickness. 

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21 minutes ago, FancyRhubarb said:

He's still got his Prayer Academy for Future Philosophy Majors income stream. 

I don't have the answers as to why 'slavery was a choice' didn't have as much traction. It should have. But I can promise you that like all the companies and donors that ran away during a certain event in early January 2021 and then came crawling back once the heat died down...Ye will get his major sponsors back. People have no long term memories for anything any more. He won't be broke. He still has a platform. The only way Kanye will feel the pain is if people stop paying attention to him.

He absolutely will, Just like Mel Gibson and countless others got their redemption Welcome back after saying/doing things so too will Kanye.

In my circle of associates and friends we always notice how big corporate is "fake outraged" When it comes to our community and the disgusting things that make it to mainstream media and they toe the PR line as not to hurt their wallets so it's not surprising that "MAGA Kanye" didn't get these same public shunning because "they" agree with that Kanye and support him.

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This is the kind of stuff he really cares about, so I'm happy to see it.

Kanye West Loses Billionaire Status After Adidas Terminates Deal

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Forbes made it official Tuesday ... saying Ye had lost his billionaire status in the wake of Adidas ending their partnership with the guy. While Adidas on its own might not have technically torpedoed his billions -- they say it's a combination of several deals, including Gap, falling apart of late -- Forbes does note it was a HUGE part of his wealth, and the final nail in the coffin.

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5 hours ago, carolinagirl81 said:

Yes things you say have consequences, however where was all this energy when Kanye was saying that slavery was a choice. 

That is so true. However, Black people did not cancel him when he said that Harriet Tubman never did anything for Black people.  We in the Black community accept any fuckery from our fellow Black person especially when it is a Black man. A problematic Black woman would not have gotten all of the grace that Kanye got for shitting on the Black community as he has been doing for years.

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27 minutes ago, Pearson80 said:

That is so true. However, Black people did not cancel him when he said that Harriet Tubman never did anything for Black people.  We in the Black community accept any fuckery from our fellow Black person especially when it is a Black man. A problematic Black woman would not have gotten all of the grace that Kanye got for shitting on the Black community as he has been doing for years.

Facts. Perfect example of that is Robert Kelly and he is just now getting the consequences for his actions. 

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And, I may add Chris Brown…..man was he tolerated, worshipped, defended……still is.

So, this says Forbes reports Ye has gone from 1.3 billion to 400 million.  For someone like him that might hurt. Because Taylor Swift’s net worth is reported as $450 million!  Lol

https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/25/kanye-west-loses-billionaire-status-after-adidas-terminates-deal/
 

https://www.sssamiti.org/taylor-swift-net-worth/#:~:text=Taylor Swift has an estimated,so she endorses various brands.

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3 hours ago, carolinagirl81 said:

I came across this opinion piece on Kanye via my Facebook feed and I could not agree more with this persons statement.

Op-ed about Kanye

Without straying too far from the topic, I saw somebody post an opinion that made sense to me. Before, Ye was coming out with a lot of anti-Black statements (Harriet Tubman, slavery is a choice, George Floyd, etc.) without getting the blowback you would expect, especially from the Black community. The person's opinion was that it was because he's Black, so he's allowed to say these things, kind of like using the N word. There's a big difference between a POC & a White person using that word. So very simply, Ye started getting called out when he attacked the Jewish people because he is not Jewish. If he had stuck to attacking the Black community, I bet he would still have all his business relationships.

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14 minutes ago, GaT said:

Without straying too far from the topic, I saw somebody post an opinion that made sense to me. Before, Ye was coming out with a lot of anti-Black statements (Harriet Tubman, slavery is a choice, George Floyd, etc.) without getting the blowback you would expect, especially from the Black community. The person's opinion was that it was because he's Black, so he's allowed to say these things, kind of like using the N word. There's a big difference between a POC & a White person using that word. So very simply, Ye started getting called out when he attacked the Jewish people because he is not Jewish. If he had stuck to attacking the Black community, I bet he would still have all his business relationships.

FACTS! Everything you just said is all true. 

And that is my issue with this entire situation. 

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14 minutes ago, carolinagirl81 said:

FACTS! Everything you just said is all true. 

And that is my issue with this entire situation. 

Mine too, it's all wrong no matter who he's attacking. Of course, this theory doesn't hold when he attacks women, he's still getting a pass on that one.

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58 minutes ago, GaT said:

Mine too, it's all wrong no matter who he's attacking. Of course, this theory doesn't hold when he attacks women, he's still getting a pass on that one.

Right. It's all wrong all around and on all sides but this AUDACITY  makes my ass itch.

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Today, Kanye was escorted out by executives at the Skechers athletic footwear headquarters in L.A.     Kanye was not invited & just started unauthorized filming inside the premises.  He was asked to leave & ultimately escorted out.  Kanye does not have any contracts or connection to Skechers.  Skechers founder & CEO is Robert Greenberg, (formerly, a founder of L.A. Gear.)  The Greenberg family is Jewish.   

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35 minutes ago, realityplease said:

Today, Kanye was escorted out by security at the Skechers athletic footwear headquarters in L.A.     Kanye was not invited & just started unauthorized filming inside the premises.  He was asked to leave & ultimately escorted out.  Kanye does not have any contracts or connection to Skechers.  Skechers founder & CEO is Robert Greenberg, (formerly, a founder of L.A. Gear.)  The Greenberg family is Jewish.   

I saw that and in my opinion the fact that the CEO and founder of Skechers is of the Jewish faith makes no matter Right now Kanye is the flaming bag of s*** on your doorstep that nobody wants to touch. 

And even though he was trespassing at the company headquarters nobody's going to give him no type of contract ordeal on any type of shoes /clothing or anything else. 

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22 minutes ago, carolinagirl81 said:

I saw that and in my opinion the fact that the CEO and founder of Skechers is of the Jewish faith makes no matter Right now Kanye is the flaming bag of s*** on your doorstep that nobody wants to touch. 

And even though he was trespassing at the company headquarters nobody's going to give him no type of contract ordeal on any type of shoes /clothing or anything else. 

Doesn't say whether he was seeking a contract, looking to stir up trouble or engaging in further hate speech.  Skechers said in a release "We condemn his recent divisive remarks and do not tolerate antisemitism or any other form of hate speech.  The Company would like to again stress that West showed up unannounced and uninvited to Skechers corporate offices."

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Discussion of Kanye's run for the US Presidency is off-limits here, unless and until the run appears on the show itself, as per our Politics Policy. https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/94644-politics-primetimer-updated-070319

 

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