Tamra Judge: Naked Wasted

[Scrambled Fog]

LOL no worries, we all do it.

I think somebody might be desperate for new Tamra material and is seeing material where there really isn't any. I won't mention any names, but s/he might be scrambled.

[Scrambled Fog]

I don't know if this has been covered already, but I luurrv how Tamra pronounces the word disgusting as "de-scusting".

I don't know about anybody else, but I prefer people to speak a recognizable language. That's just MY OPINION!!!

[Snarky McSnarky]

I spotted this nugget regarding Tamra from an older real estate blog describing her video tour of Eddie's house:

 

"In the upstairs master bedroom she flops across her big ol’ bed and pretends to find a leather cat-o-nine-tails hidden under one of the 49,000 decorative pillows because, well, ever-lusty Tammy B. can not—at least it seems to Your Mama—go three damn minutes on camera without cracking a cringe-worthy sex joke. Don’t get Your Mama wrong. We love us some shade-tossing sassy-pants Tammy B., for sure, but, seriously girl, you need a new comedy shtick, unless you don’t mind coming off like a slightly creepy, sex-obsessed cougar. Cool it people. We’re not being catty. We’re just offering Miz Barney a little unsolicited image assistance."

 

Amen.

 

http://variety.com/2013/dirt/real-estalker/real-estate-roundup-the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-1201235614/

 

 

Bonus material from the comments section of the same article.  A link to the lawsuit filed by a former attorney at The Judge Law Firm, claiming Eddie was practicing law without a license and did a lot of shady stuff when he worked at his adoptive father's practice.  The lawsuit was later settled out of court:

 

https://quadracoll.egnyte.com/h-s/20130814/792d2ed3d1084d82

Edited September 9, 2014 by Bella Roche

[Ubiquitous]

When Bravo was up-the first season Alexis was on there was a poster who posted "Jugs for Jesus" across Alexis's chest-repeatedly.  So I concur-it was an old joke when Tamra used it.  I am not particularly religious but I do wish the producers would stop with the Jesus Barbie and Jesus Jugs stuff.  Imagine if Jesus was taken out an other religious figures were inserted.  The producers don't have to sink as low as Tamra and Andy needs to knock it off by repeating it.  Same with Kentucky Fried Titties-it is not even remotely funny.

 

I am thinking someone has offered her property to list so that is why she is re-hanging her shingle.  Probably think they can get exposure next season on Bravo.

 

The last property we saw a very married Tamra showing was the house of the sister of none other than Eddie.  I think Eddie should get his real estate license and chase some listings.

Tamra was showing the house to Jeff and Gretchen, wasn't she?

[NannyPants]

I just now read through the complaint on the lawsuit filed against the Judge Law Firm. Wow. No wonder Eddie married Tamra. Shared values are so important in finding a marital partner.

[zoeysmom]

Tamra was showing the house to Jeff and Gretchen, wasn't she?

 

Shortly before Tamra separated she decided she wanted to work with short sale homes. There was some nonsense about Simon not wanting her to work too much (fat chance of that). She was showing one (it wasn't actually a short sale) it was Eddie's sister's.  Tamra went on to claim this would beher career move.  Here is a story about the aforementioned: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/05/exclusive-interview-sister-says-real-housewives-tamra-barneys-boyfriend-turns/

Edited September 10, 2014 by zoeysmom

[MissMel]

Tamra was showing the house to Jeff and Gretchen, wasn't she?

I think Jeanna showed a house to Jeff and Gretchen as their introduction to the show.

[misschung]

Yes, that was Jeanna. I recently rewatched that season and wow, Gretchen looked young - so did Tamra!  She totally chewed up her face in the past few years.

[Bombdotcom]

Stay klassy Tammy!

 

Courtroom Catfight! Tamra Judge In Screaming Match With Ex Simon Barney’s New Girlfriend

[zoeysmom]

I think it is funny that Tamra's concerned for the taxpayer's resources being wasted.  I don't know what Simon expects out of this hearing but it would seem these two would be able to work it out.  Sounds like Tamra is a little jealous of Simon's girlfriend being 20 years younger.  I guess we will have to wait for the October hearing to read about the outcome.

[Scrambled Fog]

Tamra has been tweeting again. It looks to me like damage control because of the fight she got into with Simon's girlfriend.

She is also trying to convince the Universe she isn't a liar. Her arrogance is astounding.

[leisawoo]

So, Simon has "big boxes of" copies of every episode of RHOC? So, he wins, hands down. Right? He gets whatever he wants?

Also, interesting that Teefs started the whole thing by "pretending to film" the new girlfriend? Is he starting to stand up for Tamra or trying to hammer nails in her custody coffin? Maybe, he's just bored?

[Scrambled Fog]

So, Simon has "big boxes of" copies of every episode of RHOC? So, he wins, hands down. Right? He gets whatever he wants?

I would think the RHOC episodes alone would earn Tamra at least one 5150. At minimum.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(involuntary_psychiatric_hold)

OK. I'm joking. But only a little.

[Scrambled Fog]

Could this tweet from Tamra be true?

"never once have I made up a story. Sorry"

https://twitter.com/TamraBarney

I will have to consult a supercomputer to do some major number crunching to confirm, but I'm pretty sure Tamra has "made up a story" more than once.

ETA: link.

ETA again: Aww man! The supercomputer said, "Fatal Error! Too much to count!". And then it crashed.

So, Tamra did tell the truth in her tweet. She never made up a story just once, but countless times.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Scrambled Fog

[zoeysmom]

Could this tweet from Tamra be true?

"never once have I made up a story. Sorry"

https://twitter.com/TamraBarney

I will have to consult a supercomputer to do some major number crunching to confirm, but I'm pretty sure Tamra has "made up a story" more than once.

ETA: link.

ETA again: Aww man! The supercomputer said, "Fatal Error! Too much to count!". And then it crashed.

So, Tamra did tell the truth in her tweet. She never made up a story just once, but countless times.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

This isn't making up a story but if I were Simon and the way my children and I found out about Tamra suicide attempts and being institutionalized was on RHOC I would be pretty upset.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Tamra's FB is offline again.  Probably can't keep up with the comments (again).

[PhilMarlowe2]

Simon is so creepy.

[motorcitymom65]

Thanks for the laugh.

 

This isn't making up a story but if I were Simon and the way my children and I found out about Tamra suicide attempts and being institutionalized was on RHOC I would be pretty upset.

I may be in the minorty, and I don't like Tamra, but I would hope that the role she plays on a heavily edited/somewhat scripted Realty TV Series doesn't impact her custody arrangement. There are folks who play roles in movies, on TV shows, heck even porn stars, who are able to keep custody of their children. IMO is should be based on her qualifications as a mother to her children and nothing more. I would assume that Simon has been told the same thing, which is why he leaked the text messages about him questioning whether the kids had been bathed, etc. To me, the most disgusting thing I have seen in their debate was him leaking all of those texts, including the ones between Tamra and her daughter. If he is so concerned about the well being of his kids, he wouldn't want to put his daughter through that public viewing. Tamra acted like a petulant child in those messages, but they were still private and I cannot imagine that their daughter ever thought they would be released to the tabloids. The most horrible thing Tamra has ever done on the show is Naked Wasted, and Simon was sitting right beside her lauging at her antics at that time. You also had the episode where he used a beer bong right in front of the kids. His behavior was shown as horrendous while he was on the show as well. He was so controlling towards her. I would be surprised if he would want any of that footage to play into his qualifications as a father. There are no winners here, which is what is so sad for the kids.

[MatildaMoody]

 

I would assume that Simon has been told the same thing, which is why he leaked the text messages about him questioning whether the kids had been bathed, etc. To me, the most disgusting thing I have seen in their debate was him leaking all of those texts, including the ones between Tamra and her daughter. If he is so concerned about the well being of his kids, he wouldn't want to put his daughter through that public viewing. Tamra acted like a petulant child in those messages, but they were still private and I cannot imagine that their daughter ever thought they would be released to the tabloids.

Simon didn't leak the messages. They were taken from court filings. His attorney should have had the filing sealed, but that is a far cry from saying that he leaked the messages to the tabloids. He just filed them in his motion to modify the custody agreement and they became a part of public record.

[zoeysmom]

Simon is so creepy.

 

I think Simon is taking on a Herculean task and does not have the war chest Tamra has to fund this battle.  I have never figured out what they are going to court over-the oldest child's visitation/residence?  I think Simon loves his kids more than he loves himself or his girlfriend.  From what I have seen of Tamra I can't say the same.  She seems to put herself and her feelings first and seems ever so desperate to hang on to Eddie.  Having said that Simon does give off a crypt keeper vibe. 

Simon didn't leak the messages. They were taken from court filings. His attorney should have had the filing sealed, but that is a far cry from saying that he leaked the messages to the tabloids. He just filed them in his motion to modify the custody agreement and they became a part of public record.

I want to speak to "Simon's attorney should have had the file sealed".  It is nearly impossible because it is the public's right to know.  The Court doesn't just decide to seal a case because it might cause one party embarrassment.  Second, of all people who should not be given even a hearing on sealing a file it would be any type of reality TV star.  They get paid to put their life out there and then when the going gets tough they scream their privacy is being violated?

 

If there were allegations of sexual abuse the file would sealed, as to those allegations.

 

A agree Simon did not leak the story to the tabloids-it was just a recital of the court filings.

[MatildaMoody]

I think Simon is taking on a Herculean task and does not have the war chest Tamra has to fund this battle.  I have never figured out what they are going to court over-the oldest child's visitation/residence?  I think Simon loves his kids more than he loves himself or his girlfriend.  From what I have seen of Tamra I can't say the same.  She seems to put herself and her feelings first and seems ever so desperate to hang on to Eddie.  Having said that Simon does give off a crypt keeper vibe. 

I want to speak to "Simon's attorney should have had the file sealed".  It is nearly impossible because it is the public's right to know.  The Court doesn't just decide to seal a case because it might cause one party embarrassment.  Second, of all people who should not be given even a hearing on sealing a file it would be any type of reality TV star.  They get paid to put their life out there and then when the going gets tough they scream their privacy is being violated?

 

If there were allegations of sexual abuse the file would sealed, as to those allegations.

 

A agree Simon did not leak the story to the tabloids-it was just a recital of the court filings.

 

 

Thanks for the clarification. I thought that if it involved children, that there would be the option to seal the records so that the children would not be embarrassed. But, I agree that it is ridiculous to blame Simon (as creepy as he comes across), for leaking these to the press. These were all a part of the public record and the tabloids are constantly checking those for dirt.

 

I also agree that he has a huge task ahead of him. My understanding is that he is filing to have increased custody of all of the minor children. Right now they have equal custody, and he wants to have them more than 50 percent of the time. 

 

I suspect that if everything hadn't been so very public and Tamra didn't see this as the chance to milk it for sympathy, she would have probably been fine with the kids staying with Simon more than 50 percent of the time.

[Ubiquitous]

I think Simon is taking on a Herculean task and does not have the war chest Tamra has to fund this battle.  I have never figured out what they are going to court over-the oldest child's visitation/residence?  I think Simon loves his kids more than he loves himself or his girlfriend.  From what I have seen of Tamra I can't say the same.  She seems to put herself and her feelings first and seems ever so desperate to hang on to Eddie. 

I agree because Tamra shipped off her creepy firstborn after she got married to Simon and when he moved back in with them, Simon tried to set him straight but Tamra kept interfering, I presume b/c it interfered with them going out clubbing together.

[zoeysmom]

I agree because Tamra shipped off her creepy firstborn after she got married to Simon and when he moved back in with them, Simon tried to set him straight but Tamra kept interfering, I presume b/c it interfered with them going out clubbing together.

Tamra shipped off Ryan to her first husband before she and Simon got together.  The father of Ryan said Simon did a good job of taking care of Ryan.  At some point much later Ryan moved in with his grandmother-he may have been an adult.  I think it had more to do with Ryan being incorrigible than anything.

http://www.allabouttrh.com/lauri-peterson-hopes-vicki-gunvalson-can-now-see-never-lying-brooks-ayers/#comment-1648810

 

This is what Tamra does to stay relevant.  What a bitch. . . how does this story vindicate Tamra or Lauri?

[motorcitymom65]

 

A agree Simon did not leak the story to the tabloids-it was just a recital of the court filings.

I am not sure how anyone can know that. ROL called them "leaked text messages" when they did their story, and if memory serves they were the first to report on this. I am not a big believer in coincidences and they ran this story either right before or right after this season premiered. Even though they were a matter of public record, that doesn't negate the fact that someone might have called ROL and told them that there was something interesting going on with Tamra and her daughter and where to go look.

As much as I don't like Tamra, I never forget that I didn't like Simon first. He was unbelievably controlling towards Tamra and I am not one to believe that he wouldn't be just as controlling on this issue.

[Muffyn]

Both Tamra and Simon are so slimy, it all comes down to a case of he slimed, she slimed.  There are no winners in a steaming pile of wrong. 

[zoeysmom]

I am not sure how anyone can know that. ROL called them "leaked text messages" when they did their story, and if memory serves they were the first to report on this. I am not a big believer in coincidences and they ran this story either right before or right after this season premiered. Even though they were a matter of public record, that doesn't negate the fact that someone might have called ROL and told them that there was something interesting going on with Tamra and her daughter and where to go look.

As much as I don't like Tamra, I never forget that I didn't like Simon first. He was unbelievably controlling towards Tamra and I am not one to believe that he wouldn't be just as controlling on this issue.

The leaked text messages were attached as an exhibit to the "Notice of Motion for Modification for Child Custody", they were part of the moving papers.   The weren't included for publicity sake they were included to try and sway the court to modify custody.

 

If Simon was trying to use the media I think he would have given a comment.  He basically has just stayed out of the press.  He knows he has almost zero likeability.  The daughter on the other hand was out of line but I don't hold either Tamra or Simon responsible for her tweets-she is 15 years old and probably thought it was cute..  The way it works in California is reporters follow the days court filings-now they don't even have to go to the courthouse.  If they see an action is filed they can go down to the courthouse and check it out.  TMZ and Radar hang out at the LA County courthouse. I never found Simon any more controlling than Eddie.  I recall her asking Simon one time which dress to wear and he made a comment on not having certain body parts hang out.  For the most part I thought Simon saved Tamra from making a fool of herself.  I know he was big on her not breaking promises to the kids.  So I just don't recall  much "unbelievably controlling" behavior from him other than Tamra claiming it.  Oh he did ask her not to grab his dick in front of the gondolier.  I guess that was controlling.  He also asked Vicki to butt out of their marriage. . . hmmmm something Vicki is now asking Tamra to do in regards to her relationship with Brooks.

[motorcitymom65]

So I just don't recall much "unbelievably controlling" behavior from him other than Tamra claiming it. Oh he did ask her not to grab his dick in front of the gondolier. I guess that was controlling. He also asked Vicki to butt out of their marriage. . . hmmmm something Vicki is now asking Tamra to do in regards to her relationship with Brooks.

Simon was a controlling dick. He really didn't want Tamra to work and made her feel guilty claiming she was neglecting him and the kids. He proclaimed no "girls only trips" back before Jim Bellino ever did.

The best example is that I believe Simon was the only husband on this show who ever blogged. Yep, he did. It was incredible. It seemed as though he couldn't just sit by each week and allow himself to be judged like the other husbands. No, he had to blog on Bravo's site each week and give his side of things. In some cases he would flat out call Tamra out on her behavior, or say when he disagreed with her or when she had handled things poorly. It was always beyond creepy to me. Too bad the comments on the blogs are not still up. Those would be a great read in all the ways he was controlling. Folks were ready to light him on fire. Several of his blogs were entirely dedicated to his anger at folks calling him controlling.

Can you imagine if Terry Dubrow was blogging about his role on the show every week and defending himself for 3 or 4 pages? Folks would go crazy.

Edited September 12, 2014 by motorcitymom65

[Snarky McSnarky]

If you never read Jim Bellino's Blog (not on Bravo), you missed out on some serious pontificating by Alexis' King.

 

My favorite was his dissertation on the mean old bank that didn't want to accept his proposed loan modification, even though he signed on the dotted line when he bought the property:

 

"The schoolyard bully mentality of today’s banks has destroyed the hopes and dreams of millions of American homeowners who quite understandably feel they have no power to do battle with these financial behemoths.  We certainly understand that we are just one family doing battle with one bank over one home, but we refuse to be scared into submission.

As we shared with you in August of this year, we had reached an agreement with JP Morgan Chase for a loan modification of our home.  After we had agreed, the bank changed the terms, demanding twice as much up front cash, and increasing the interest rate (has this happened to any of you?).  All we expect from the bank is that they live up to the original deal they made with us.

Despite the bank’s conduct in this matter, we remain willing to negotiate in good faith in an effort to reach a mutually agreeable resolution.  If forced to do so, however, we will not hesitate to pursue any and all legal recourse available to us under the law, and we will continue to follow the advice of our real estate attorney in this matter. JP Morgan Chase may be the Goliath in this scenario, but we will not sit by quietly and allow this financial institution to subject us to these unfair business practices without a fight."

 

Of course he did what he had done several times before.  He filed for bankruptcy and left someone else holding the bag.

 

http://jimbellino.com

[motorcitymom65]

If you never read Jim Bellino's Blog (not on Bravo), you missed out on some serious pontificating by Alexis' King.

 

My favorite was his dissertation on the mean old bank that didn't want to accept his proposed loan modification, even though he signed on the dotted line when he bought the property:

 

"The schoolyard bully mentality of today’s banks has destroyed the hopes and dreams of millions of American homeowners who quite understandably feel they have no power to do battle with these financial behemoths.  We certainly understand that we are just one family doing battle with one bank over one home, but we refuse to be scared into submission.

As we shared with you in August of this year, we had reached an agreement with JP Morgan Chase for a loan modification of our home.  After we had agreed, the bank changed the terms, demanding twice as much up front cash, and increasing the interest rate (has this happened to any of you?).  All we expect from the bank is that they live up to the original deal they made with us.

Despite the bank’s conduct in this matter, we remain willing to negotiate in good faith in an effort to reach a mutually agreeable resolution.  If forced to do so, however, we will not hesitate to pursue any and all legal recourse available to us under the law, and we will continue to follow the advice of our real estate attorney in this matter. JP Morgan Chase may be the Goliath in this scenario, but we will not sit by quietly and allow this financial institution to subject us to these unfair business practices without a fight."

 

Of course he did what he had done several times before.  He filed for bankruptcy and left someone else holding the bag.

 

http://jimbellino.com

Thanks for posting. I had never read his blogs. What an ass. I went to the site and read a few. I wish I hadn't. Now I don't know what to do with all the vomit.

[Scrambled Fog]

From what I saw, the idea that "Simon is controlling" came from Tamra and was perpetuated as part of her storyline at the time. The only sources of the "Simon is controlling" idea are Tamra, and by extension, the producers of RHOC.

There were times when Simon *seemed* to be controlling events and Tamra. During those times, it looked to me like Simon was attempting to protect his family and himself from Tamra's antics and all of the drama of the show.

Also, from what I observed, Tamra said anything she wanted, and did anything she wanted. If Simon was controlling, he sure did a crap-tacular job at it.

Now, if Simon's new girlfriend is really 20 years younger than him, that is kinda creepy.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Scrambled Fog

[zoeysmom]

Simon was a controlling dick. He really didn't want Tamra to work and made her feel guilty claiming she was neglecting him and the kids. He proclaimed no "girls only trips" back before Jim Bellino ever did.

The best example is that I believe Simon was the only husband on this show who ever blogged. Yep, he did. It was incredible. It seemed as though he couldn't just sit by each week and allow himself to be judged like the other husbands. No, he had to blog on Bravo's site each week and give his side of things. In some cases he would flat out call Tamra out on her behavior, or say when he disagreed with her or when she had handled things poorly. It was always beyond creepy to me. Too bad the comments on the blogs are not still up. Those would be a great read in all the ways he was controlling. Folks were ready to light him on fire. Several of his blogs were entirely dedicated to his anger at folks calling him controlling.

Can you imagine if Terry Dubrow was blogging about his role on the show every week and defending himself for 3 or 4 pages? Folks would go crazy.

Thanks Motor City Mom- I had forgotten about Bravo's experiment in guest blogging.  Here is the link if anyone else is interested http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/blogs/simon-barney they all are linked in one page.  I can see why they asked him as the marriage was already over when he started writing them.  Gone are the days when Evolution Media could offer a woman $20,000.00 and a chance to be on TV.  I can see where the stars were in Tamra's eyes and how she truly did outgrow Simon.  His desires to protect and provide for his family were no match for fame. How cold to tell your husband now that you are "famous" you could find someone richer and better looking.  Surprise she found Eddie.  Interesting Simon complaining about a certain married woman who misbehaved on girls only vacation and Eddie's response to Tamra's behavior in Mexico for her bachelorette party.  It is like Tamra found the same man in a smaller, toothier package.

 

Also the high level of utter bullshit put forth by Vicki.   Her wonderful marriage, her perfect kids. I was reminded why I always thought Vicki was truly a mean person.  Just reading one of her blogs from Season 5 where she attacks Alexis is a great reminder.  Geez Vicki was a jealous twit.

[Scrambled Fog]

Who is "Real Mr. Housewife" and when did he become Tamra's Minister of Propaganda?

[technorebel]

I just never did buy the whole Simon-is-controlling storyline. I know that's what Tamra said, though, I never saw it.

[zoeysmom]

From what I saw, the idea that "Simon is controlling" came from Tamra and was perpetuated as part of her storyline at the time. The only sources of the "Simon is controlling" idea are Tamra, and by extension, the producers of RHOC.

There were times when Simon *seemed* to be controlling events and Tamra. During those times, it looked to me like Simon was attempting to protect his family and himself from Tamra's antics and all of the drama of the show.

Also, from what I observed, Tamra said anything she wanted, and did anything she wanted. If Simon was controlling, he sure did a crap-tacular job at it.

Now, if Simon's new girlfriend is really 20 years younger than him, that is kinda creepy.

I went back and read the Simon and some of the corresponding Tamra blogs.  Bottom line was Simon did not want his wife or children portrayed in an unflattering light.  Simon and Jim didn't think it was a good idea for their wives to model lingerie and their wives apparently respected their wishes.

 

Twenty year age difference is rough especially if he doesn't want any more children and you raise his.  All I can say is she must have been very young when they met.

Who is "Real Mr. Housewife" and when did he become Tamra's Minister of Propaganda?

He comes off as quite the tool.  I had to laugh I went to his website where he had written a story about what a good friend Tamra is to Vicki.  As a disclosure he said Tamra would not comment. HAHAHA

[MatildaMoody]

 

Now, if Simon's new girlfriend is really 20 years younger than him, that is kinda creepy.

If she is actually 20 years younger than him, wouldn't that put her in her 30's? She would be younger than Tamra but still old enough that her decisions on whom to date shouldn't raise too many eyebrows in this day and age. I'm assuming that Simon is in his 50's since he hasn't had multiple 40th birthdays like his ex-wife.

Edited September 13, 2014 by MatildaMoody

[Scrambled Fog]

Twenty year age difference is rough especially if he doesn't want any more children and you raise his. All I can say is she must have been very young when they met.

He comes off as quite the tool. I had to laugh I went to his website where he had written a story about what a good friend Tamra is to Vicki. As a disclosure he said Tamra would not comment. HAHAHA

So, Simon's girlfriend really is 20 years younger than him. What the heck do they talk about?

Every time I go to the Mr. Housewife website, there is some story about why Tamra is right, and everybody else is wrong. I read the story about why Tamra is a good friend, also. That's why I posted the Minister of Propaganda question. I'm sure at some point in the future he will attempt to convince the world that Tamra's alleged beauty is au naturel.

[MatildaMoody]

So, Simon's girlfriend really is 20 years younger than him. What the heck do they talk about?

Every time I go to the Mr. Housewife website, there is some story about why Tamra is right, and everybody else is wrong. I read the story about why Tamra is a good friend, also. That's why I posted the Minister of Propaganda question. I'm sure at some point in the future he will attempt to convince the world that Tamra's alleged beauty is au naturel.

I'm in my 30's and converse with 50-somethings all the time. Granted, my husband is much closer to my age than the people I work with, but I haven't found it all that difficult to find common ground with them.

I mean Carol of NY is 50 and seems to have a good time conversing with her friends in their 30's and possibly younger. I guess if she were say in her early 20's I would definitely be asking what they could possibly have to discuss with each other. But, this just doesn't seem that major to me.

 

Re: Mr. Housewife, he seems to really love Tamra for some reason. He has defended Tamra and Lauri about their treatment of Vicki. Weird.

[happykitteh]

 

I may be in the minorty, and I don't like Tamra, but I would hope that the role she plays on a heavily edited/somewhat scripted Realty TV Series doesn't impact her custody arrangement. There are folks who play roles in movies, on TV shows, heck even porn stars, who are able to keep custody of their children. IMO is should be based on her qualifications as a mother to her children and nothing more.

 

I agree motorcitymom. I don't like Tamra at all, in fact I loathe her, but we don't know for certain how much of her onscreen behavior is real vs how much is her ramping it up to bring the drama and continue to be on the Bravo payroll. Personally, I think she's as much of a bitch in real life as she is onscreen but when it comes to something as serious a child custody you need to know, not assume based on tv footage what a parent's character and qualifications really are. Using footage from HW shows, whether in Tamra case or the Guidice case (as was speculated would be used had they gone to trial) should not, IMO, be allowed since it's not a REAL reality that's being filmed.

Edited September 13, 2014 by happykitteh

[happykitteh]

 

I'm in my 30's and converse with 50-somethings all the time. Granted, my husband is much closer to my age than the people I work with, but I haven't found it all that difficult to find common ground with them.

 

I think it's easier to converse with friends or people you work with who are older or younger because you aren't living with them or sharing a life. When you're married it's nice to have the same frame of references regarding what things were like in the era you both grew up in, shared music and movies from childhood and teenage years, etc. To me it's more fun to reminisce with people who share the same memories and "get" where I'm coming from.

Edited September 13, 2014 by happykitteh

[JAYJAY1979]

In the seven seasons Tamra has been on the show... Has there been a season she came off better then any other season?  How about where she's come off worse then any other season?

[zoeysmom]

I agree motorcitymom. I don't like Tamra at all, in fact I loathe her, but we don't know for certain how much of her onscreen behavior is real vs how much is her ramping it up to bring the drama and continue to be on the Bravo payroll. Personally, I think she's as much of a bitch in real life as she is onscreen but when it comes to something as serious a child custody you need to know, not assume based on tv footage what a parent's character and qualifications really are. Using footage from HW shows, whether in Tamra case or the Guidice case (as was speculated would be used had they gone to trial) should not, IMO, be allowed since it's not a REAL reality that's being filmed.

I don't think Simon is using the footage to lay claim to Tamra's character and qualifications.  I think he is wanting to use footage to show that it is not in his minor children's best interest to be part of the show.  I would say the best example of that would be last week's footage of the Real OC kids (both adult and minor) misbehaving. 

 

Just to say that there should be some legal presumption that any and all footage from reality shows should be barred based on the fact you don't feel it is real has no basis in law.  One example-Tamra's speech to 1,000 women at a conference that she proclaimed was sexually active at 14, and had tried to commit suicide and was institutionalized and she had never told her husband or minor children.  If you saw her speech on the evening news instead of RHOC-would that make it admissible or more real? 

 

Bottom line it is up to Tamra to object to the use of the footage it is not the court's responsibility sua sponte to declare reality show footage not reality.  Compare her speech to the stupid robot baby scenes-I would think the Court would sustain an objection to the use of the robot baby footage of Tamra's failing score as a parent, or that she stuffed the baby in the couch cushions.  It is up to Tamra's attorney to object though.

[MatildaMoody]

I think it's easier to converse with friends or people you work with who are older or younger because you aren't living with them or sharing a life. When you're married it's nice to have the same frame of references regarding what things were like in the era you both grew up in, shared music and movies from childhood and teenage years, etc. To me it's more fun to reminisce with people who share the same memories and "get" where I'm coming from.

I totally get it. I am just saying that when the couple in question is Simon and his girlfriend's age, the age difference isn't nearly as eyebrow raising to me. Tamra is trying to make it seem as though Simon is dating some young impressionable girl and not a 30 something woman who is perfectly capable of deciding whether or not this is a relationship she wants. Plus, while they may be in a committed relationship, they aren't married. They are exploring their relationship with all of the things that come with that. 

 

It's not like Tamra has an issue with the kids being in her presence. Tamra had nothing but praise for the woman when she was trying to engender goodwill for her wedding spinoff. So, why is the age difference an issue in this case?

 

Tamra and Eddie thought it would be a good idea to taunt Simon's girlfriend outside of a court hearing determining the modification of Tamra and Simon's custody agreement. To me, it doesn't matter how much younger than Simon his girlfriend is. Tamra completely showed her own maturity level with that action.

 

ETA: I totally agree with zoeysmom. I don't think that Simon wanting the videos in evidence is about Tamra so much as it is about what their kids are and will continue to have to deal with. Whether Tamra's behavior is scripted or not their kids are feeling the brunt of it while it is still being billed as "Reality Television." 

Edited September 13, 2014 by MatildaMoody

[zoeysmom]

In the seven seasons Tamra has been on the show... Has there been a season she came off better then any other season?  How about where she's come off worse then any other season?

The first year she was on she came off happy.  She had her 40th birthday on a yacht and received a Rolex-much to Vicki's chagrin.  Oh I think that was the season she and Vicki sealed their friendship with a big old kiss.  Most of her drama was based around the fact that Ryan was unemployed and moving back in. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

I found Simon to be an emotional infant. He actually tried to blame Vicki for the problems in his marriage, which is laughable. And he would also be so vocal about how he would never control Tamra, which, what the fuck? Why would that even come out of your mouth if you're not controlling? I have never used that as leverage in a relationship: "I never try to control you!" Well, why would you? Why would that thought even cross your mind? Why would you think you deserve some reward for that? I actually went and looked up the episode where Simon and Vicki have tension at the Curtin's dinner party. Simon storms out like a baby at one point, and Tamra follows him, and this is what Simon has to say:

 

"She doesn't like the fact that we're happy. You want to be married to me? Be married to me. I give you the best. You stop listening to other people...I love you. I've always loved you. I've let you do whatever you want. I've never controlled you. Right? All the issues we've had is since you've been talking to her. Go back before her. How thick was our marriage? How in love were you with me? How in love was I with you? And you're going to let this person interrupt our marriage? Huh?"

 

None of this makes sense to me. He was just a constant victim and he has this weird brainwashing way about him where it's his way or the highway. He applied so much weird pressure on Tamra (and she fed into it hook, line and sinker). I will never buy him as a man who was simply concerned for the good of his wife and children. I see Simon as a big whiny baby who would deflect on anyone and everyone before taking any scrap of self-responsibility for his personal problems.

 

ETA What's amazing watching this dinner again is that Vicki was kind of the voice of reason that night - her utter revulsion at Tamra talking about Simon in bed, her boredom over Alexis' ridiculous story and her classic "He works!"in defense of Donn not going on the "girls' trip" - because it was totally true, they were the only couple with honest jobs at the time.

Edited September 13, 2014 by PhilMarlowe2

[MatildaMoody]

I found Simon to be an emotional infant. He actually tried to blame Vicki for the problems in his marriage, which is laughable. And he would also be so vocal about how he would never control Tamra, which, what the fuck? Why would that even come out of your mouth if you're not controlling? I have never used that as leverage in a relationship: "I never try to control you!" Well, why would you? Why would that thought even cross your mind? Why would you think you deserve some reward for that? I actually went and looked up the episode where Simon and Vicki have tension at the Curtin's dinner party. Simon storms out like a baby at one point, and Tamra follows him, and this is what Simon has to say:

 

"She doesn't like the fact that we're happy. You want to be married to me? Be married to me. I give you the best. You stop listening to other people...I love you. I've always loved you. I've let you do whatever you want. I've never controlled you. Right? All the issues we've had is since you've been talking to her. Go back before her. How thick was our marriage? How in love were you with me? How in love was I with you? And you're going to let this person interrupt our marriage? Huh?"

 

None of this makes sense to me. He was just a constant victim and he has this weird brainwashing way about him where it's his way or the highway. He applied so much weird pressure on Tamra (and she fed into it hook, line and sinker). I will never buy him as a man who was simply concerned for the good of his wife and children. I see Simon as a big whiny baby who would deflect on anyone and everyone before taking any scrap of self-responsibility for his personal problems.

I also recently watched that scene. I saw it very differently though. Prior to this scene, Tamra had been playing Vicki and Simon against each other - constantly. She was doing it so much that she probably didn't even notice that she was doing it and had started to believe her own victim mentality. 

 

Tamra would tell Vicki things that Simon didn't like about Tamra's behavior when she was with Vicki. Vicki would get offended and tell Tamra exactly what she thought about Simon's complaints. Tamra would appear to take Vicki's advice to heart under the guise of "girl power" (which was ridiculous considering that neither of these women had been girls for a very long time).

 

Tamra would then go back to Simon and say, Well Vicki thinks that you are controlling, I don't think that but she thinks it's strange that you don't trust me to go on girls's trips without you (or something similar). Simon would ask why Vicki had a say in their marriage. Tamra would respond with something about how Vicki was her closest friend. Then, she would do a talking head about how torn she was and how she hated being put in the middle between her husband and her best friend. 

 

Then, she would go back to Vicki and talk about how awful Simon was and tell her that Simon said Vicki should mind her own business. Vicki would respond by saying that it was her business because Tamra and Simon were now discussing her, and Tamra asked her advice on how to proceed. Vicki even told Tamra that if Tamra didn't want her advice, she should leave her out of the discussions.

 

That was when Tamra decided that she should leave Simon. Tamra worked hard that season to make sure that she got a scene of asking for a divorce on camera. I suspect that is when she saw such a huge raise in her seasonal salary.

 

This was classic Tamra Barney manipulation. She was playing both sides against each other with her as the poor hapless victim stuck in the middle. I actually miss that Tamra. She was so much better at manipulating people back then. I think that was Tamra's peak as a manipulative cast member. She has never been as good at it as she was then. Maybe she has started to lose a step or two as she has committed more evidence to the internet and text messages.

[PhilMarlowe2]

Oh, I totally agree that Tamra was manipulative and played her part in the whole thing. But it still says something to me that Simon would blame a friend for troubles in his marriage. If there are troubles in the marriage, it's because of you and your partner, not some outside person. The fact that he tried to badger Tamra into colluding against Vicki as the source of their problems was just creepy to me.

[Scrambled Fog]

1. Tamra's Twitter fight with her *15 year old* daughter did not take place on TV. It did, however, take place on the very public Internet with very real consequences. When I compare the language used by Tamra in those tweets with the language she used in the reunion, I see obvious commonalities.

2. Tamra's doxing of Lizzie did not take place on TV, but on the very public Internet. Lizzie's safety and the safety of her family were compromised because of that very real stunt Tamra pulled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing

[Ubiquitous]

In the seven seasons Tamra has been on the show... Has there been a season she came off better then any other season?  How about where she's come off worse then any other season?

I'd say her best was the first season she was on this show and the worst was the season she got Gretchen "naked wasted".

[zoeysmom]

Oh, I totally agree that Tamra was manipulative and played her part in the whole thing. But it still says something to me that Simon would blame a friend for troubles in his marriage. If there are troubles in the marriage, it's because of you and your partner, not some outside person. The fact that he tried to badger Tamra into colluding against Vicki as the source of their problems was just creepy to me.

Tamra had kind of a weird dynamic in her marriage.   Ryan was no longer living off of Simon and Tamra, was asked to watch his sibs until grandma got to the house. His license was suspended, he decided to take Simon's car out for a spin.  Simon demanded an apology before Ryan could return to his house.  Ryan refused to apologize and all Tamra could say is I am caught in the middle between my son and my husband.  Well no Tamra-it is pretty obvious Ryan needed to apologize.  Just another example of this drawing in of third parties.  She pretty much said she was caught in the middle between Vicki and Simon.  These aren't difficult choices.

 

I think Simon's complaint about Vicki also had a little to do with how she treated Donn.  According to Simon Donn wanted to go on the trip to Florida and Vicki told him he couldn't because she wanted a girls trip.  In reality she was meeting Brooks in Florida.  Although it came out after the Barney divorce there were some things Vicki was doing that weren't cool.  Simon was also upset about Vicki's behavior in previous girls' trips to San Diego and Las Vegas.  In the end the real third party in the marriage was the show and Tamra's lust for fame.

[happykitteh]

 

Just to say that there should be some legal presumption that any and all footage from reality shows should be barred based on the fact you don't feel it is real has no basis in law.  One example-Tamra's speech to 1,000 women at a conference that she proclaimed was sexually active at 14, and had tried to commit suicide and was institutionalized and she had never told her husband or minor children.  If you saw her speech on the evening news instead of RHOC-would that make it admissible or more real?

 The "basis in law" would be that these so called reality shows have been outed as being scripted to some degree, scenes reshot, heavily edited and recut to make a character look good or bad depending on the whim of production. In no way could tapes of these shows be seen as "evidence" of anything real regarding a persons motives or character. Very easy for a lawyer to get that dismissed as evidence. All one would need to do is claim production told them to say, do, or act a certain way. Tamra's speech is thought by many to be full of lies and /or exaggerations and a sympathy ploy - a way to create drama for her character. She was giving that speech as "Tamra of The Real Housewives", not as an actress on the news giving a speech as her real life self. I do think the tapes could be used to demonstrate why the kids should not be allowed to film, just not, IMO, as a measure of what kind of parent one is in real life, although I do believe Tamra is every bit as vile in RL as she is on this show.