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Small Talk: Over a Pint at the Trout Inn

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mishy

mishy

So, in today's chat Shaun Evans confirmed series 3 it doesn't seem official official because I don't see that ITV has confirmed series 3 but his word is better than no word. If you want to watch it you can see it on the link above.

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magdalene

magdalene

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So, in today's chat Shaun Evans confirmed series 3 it doesn't seem official official because I don't see that ITV has confirmed series 3 but his word is better than no word. If you want to watch it you can see it on the link above.

Did he say by any chance when this third series is supposed to air?

 

So I had a chance to watch the video chat and things I learned from it are

a) that Shaun Evans is nothing like his character. (He has such a lovely and infectious smile and a certain lightness of spirit to him.)

b) that there will be a third series

and c) it will most likely take place in 1966/67.

 

What year did the second series cover?

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jjj

jjj

The second series is in 1966, so the next series (heaven willing!) could pick up shortly after the scene in the jail.  Gaol. 

 

One thing to remember, unfortunately -- whenever you see a date, like 2015 for the next "Inspector Lewis" series, that is the British year for airing, and it might not be on PBS until 2016.  Shows get over here sometime in the following twelve months.  This second series starting airing in Britain in late March, so we did not have to wait long. 

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AntiBeeSpray

AntiBeeSpray

The second series is in 1966, so the next series (heaven willing!) could pick up shortly after the scene in the jail.  Gaol. 

 

One thing to remember, unfortunately -- whenever you see a date, like 2015 for the next "Inspector Lewis" series, that is the British year for airing, and it might not be on PBS until 2016.  Shows get over here sometime in the following twelve months.  This second series starting airing in Britain in late March, so we did not have to wait long. 

Dang. That's one long wait :(. I want my Inspector Lewis fix!

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jjj

jjj

I don't see an Inspector Morse thread, so I'll note here that on Netflix, which has the first four seasons of "Morse," there is an expiration date on the "Morse" episodes.  They will be available until September 17. 

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M. Darcy

M. Darcy

Kind of a surreal moment yesterday.  I was watching the second episode of Morse's Death Is Now My Neighbor staring a young Roger Allam and had to stop watching the recording for a few minutes and the channel my tv was on was WETA UK which was showing Endeavour.  So, I was switching from Young Thursday/Old Morse to Old Thursday/Young Morse. 

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SeriousPurrs

SeriousPurrs

I watched the video chat, and oh my goodness, that mustache.

 

Also, having only seen Shaun Evans in Endeavour and Wreckers, I was not expecting that accent.

 

Shaun with an American accent--in Being Julia DVD--with Annette Bening and Jeremy Irons from 2004. Took me awhile to get used to it and then in an interview--his normal accent.

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7-Zark-7

7-Zark-7

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Also, having only seen Shaun Evans in Endeavour and Wreckers, I was not expecting that accent.

I noticed Evans dropped his accent in Series 2 Episode 1 ("Trove"), when he, Thursday, Bright and the police all gathered in a cabin where a bunch of shady businessmen met which was also the blood stained crime scene where one of them left a cigar. Morse says something like "I doubt anyone else smoked A GIU LI ETTA HEEEER" and I thought "what the hell happened to his accent?" I thought it was Scottish, then I googled him and found out he was from Liverpool.

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

Anyone know if Morse ever married?

 

Im reading conflicting results.  I've read that he was a widow before the books but his wife's name was never mentioned.  I've read that it comes out in The Inspector Lewis series that Morse married Thursday's daughter Joan, and I've read that Morse never married.  I'm so confused.

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DHDancer

DHDancer

I don't believe he ever married.  He was engaged at least once.   I'm old enough to have watched "Morse" in the original run (and have the books and the DVDs), and Lewis and now Endeavour and don't remember any mention of a wife just unfortunate death of a fiancee (Susan?)

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LadyChaos

LadyChaos

4 hours ago, DHDancer said:

I don't believe he ever married.  He was engaged at least once.   I'm old enough to have watched "Morse" in the original run (and have the books and the DVDs), and Lewis and now Endeavour and don't remember any mention of a wife just unfortunate death of a fiancee (Susan?)

I wonder if the Endeavor series will change that.

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DHDancer

DHDancer

On 2/25/2018 at 8:05 PM, LadyChaos said:

I wonder if the Endeavor series will change that.

That would be changing the canon fundamentally and I think would undermine the running theme of Morse's relationships with women.

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SusanSunflower

SusanSunflower

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And now with Cartouche, season 5 episode 2, I think we have the framework of the rest of the season snugged in place having to do with Eddie Nash (local Kray type underworld jack-of-all-trades) and the protection paying Cafe owner (and his daughter),  with Thursday's living-above-his-means flashy brother (and hot-to-trot vs. "slutty" daughter) 

I again spent some time on Wikipedia trying to find out just how "big" and influential the English underworld was -- aside from the Kray twins and their rivals The Richardson Gang (they had a gang war which is what seems to be being foreshadowed in Cartouche.   The crime syndicates mostly seem to have trafficked drugs (pills uppers/downers and cannabis).  The Krays had celebrity friends like Deanna Dors and Frank Sinatra, but seem to have been London centered.  The Krays were eventually brought down on murder conviction.  The Richardson Gang was notorious for both torture and mock-trials. 

There have (afaict) been serial scandals involving the Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) most recently this century 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exclusive-scotland-yard-s-rotten-core-police-failed-to-address-endemic-corruption-9050224.html

Although Operation Countryman in the late 1970s involved police complicity in actual crimes rather than the prior bribery and general "leakiness" by officers to the benefit of criminals 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/scotland-yard-in-corruption-scandal-private-investigators-target/ 

FWiW,

I still can't confirm or link "organized crime" to Oxford or to George Gently's part of the world or the mean streets of the industrial north (Get Carter)  ... it's so juicy red meat of story potential, I can't tell how pervasive they were ...like the mafia in New Jersey ... versus "the mafia" in the rest of the United States where they were in competition with other locally based networks.  It is often said that there is "no organized crime" in the U.S..... and then the Russian mafia does something or other ... or various black and Hispanic gangs make excited headlines .... their significance and "danger" apparently can shrink or expand to fit the need. 

The English underworld was credited with keeping the Italian mafia out of the UK (by and large).  I read last week that the Sicilian mafia has never been stronger and is expanding (geographically) and has expanded into migrant smuggling and trafficking.  (Organized crime is not often discussed in the United States as a "real thing" ... there are drug gangs and distribution networks, but if they have connections with politics and apparently legitimate businesses, crickets.  A few years ago, Walmart was cited because they had subcontracted their housekeeping/maintenance to a company that was found to operate using crews of near-slave illegal immigrants in quite northern locations ...  Meat packing is perennially being raided by ICE but seem dependent (atrocious working condition and hard labor) on successive waves of immigrants to fill extremely undesirable jobs. 

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SusanSunflower

SusanSunflower

It's funny to me because as an American, I think of Scotland Yard and the Met as the prototype professional and scientific police force on which much of American policing was based.  (prior to that independent contractor forces (like the Pinkertons) were contracted to provide security by those who could afford such things (big businesses, mine and factory owners, etc. which led to a definite anti-"proletarian" bias particularly wrt labor organizing. ... I don't think immigrants were much "trusted" either.  Anyway, I was confused by repeated references in Morse (and Endeavor) to the crookedness of the Met.  In elementary school (some 50 years ago) I was told that where really wasn't much, if any corruption, in the USA .... I never really believed we could be somehow immune and wondered often as to how some "illegal" operations seem perennial despite what we were assured was maximal efforts (kiddy porn on the massively surveilled web or our current opioid crisis which requires a steady and resilient supply chain to meet the needs of addicts or a series of newly-manufactured gun shipments from the railyards of Chicago) 

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