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I don't like him as much either. He also looks too old to me. Wasn't William supposed to be 15 or 16 in this episode? The actor looks to be in his 20s. They should've used the previous actor and switched to this one when they get to the William and Kate years. The other Harry actor was also much more age-appropriate. Why did they switch to the older one? It's only been a few months since she died. You are so right. Diana was shy at first! There was a lot of talk about it in the press. They are trying to make Charles look like a sensitive, caring dad. This isn't the impression I've gotten from stories about the real Charles. The scene of them hugging did pull at my heart strings though. Understated but lovely. Anyone notice the stark contrast between Camilla and Diana in one of the phone scenes with Charles? Camilla is all, "Oh don't worry about me, I'm fine" stiff upper lip, unselfish, whereas they've shown many scenes of Diana as needy and erratic. Perhaps Camilla is a no-nonsense type of woman, but I can't help but think they're glossing her up as part of the Charles redemption arc. I remember William being very popular but were girls really screaming and carrying on like that?

Kat probably went into a rage when John Henry didn't affirm her and he got a glimpse of what a nut job she is. Glad he figured it out before marrying her.

Sutton wasn't asking her for medical advice though.

Sad about Kyle's friend. I didn't realize she had a best friend that long. I don't remember Lorene being mentioned on the show much, but I may have forgotten. Narcissists don't understand empathy. Just ask Erika.

Morgan looks bored with Kyle. She is phoning in her interest (no pun intended). Either that or she is low energy and has a strange way of behaving when she's into someone. The scene with Kyle and Mauricio was stilted. There is as much chemistry between them as there is between two house plants. I don't like Anna Marie. She was obnoxious with Sutton. She also doesn't seem to be very knowledgable in her profession. Erika, quit bragging about your "residency" in Vegas. You're not Adele. You booked 20 shows, probably at a lower end hotel. The instructions don't say it shouldn't be taken with alcohol. It says alcohol can increase the drowsiness. Sutton said her doctor said it was ok as she takes it when she goes to bed. Annamarie needs to mind her own business. These women are mean girls who have targeted Sutton. Annamarie wants to be in the squad and is Kyle's new flying monkey. It's disturbing. Kim looks rough.

Didn't take very long. https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/bachelor-in-paradise-stars-kat-and-john-henry-announce-their-breakup-days-after-engagement-aired/ar-AA1k3lvV?ocid=socialshare

Agree. I was disgusted. I don’t talk like this with my girlfriends. I got so fed up I fast-forwarded. If men talked like this we would call them pigs. Why do women on these shows get a pass?

Bankerchick didn't say you should dye your hair. She just said she's not a fan of gray hair. She's entitled to her opinion. I thought Emily was beautiful. If my hair looked like that, I'd wear it that way. But mine comes in ashtray gray mixed with mousy brown. I don't like the color so I highlight it. SassyCat , thanks for the tip. My eyebrows are so blonde they look invisible! I liked Susan the best. I'd like to see her come back as the Golden Bachelorette if they go that route. I'm not sure they'll pick her though or that she would be popular enough with the men. I know Joan is popular here and pretty from a distance, but I'd rather not watch her frozen face a whole season. I have no interest in watching Gerry and Theresa's wedding.

The women were right. Jody is going to get tired of it. No one wants to hear their partner going on about an ex, even if it's in anger. She needs to find a therapist and vent to that person about Lenny. Her anger is also bleeding into her relationship with her children, which is sad. The pizza episode showed how distracted Lisa is by what she's going through. She could barely focus on her kids long enough to eat with them, and she was testy with them. Her anger is understandable, but she needs help. I admit to fast-forwarding through a lot of Julia singing, but I did like the expression on Martina's face and how pleased she was after. It was a very sweet moment. I'm wondering why Larsa is on this show. I don't enjoy her at all. Is it because she's dating Marcus Jordan? It seems like before that, all the talk was about her friendship with Kim Kardashian. Then she started dating Marcus and now it's all about the two of them. It doesn't appear she is interesting enough by herself.

I've wondered if Denise has a substance abuse problem. She knew they were filming and it was her first opportunity to come back. Why would she show up in that condition?

This was my impression too. She wanted her TV moment. I thought Aven was reasonable and she was being ridiculous. I thought she handled herself pretty well. She didn't start crying and carrying on. She just said a few words and left. Good for her.

I think she had much more than a drink or two. She was wasted.

It's triangulation and not uncommon in families like Kyle's when she was growing up. I had it in mine. It was very stressful because I never knew when I'd be the one who was on the outs. It was controlled by my mother. The other two sisters knew it was wrong but would do anything not to be the one ostracized. It's a sick, hurtful family dynamic that does damage for years. Yep. Kyle seems to always be on the outs with one of them. It does seem like Kathy is pulling the strings most of the time. I like Denise and wish she hadn't showed up at the dinner so drunk and out of it. At one point it looked like Kyle was helping her walk. Surprised how quiet Camilla was. I barely heard a peep out of her. What was Cynthia Bailey doing there? Has she moved to LA? Sutton's comment about Kyle's sisters didn't bother me because I loathe Kyle, especially this season. Hilarious and I loved the producers for showing the clip!

Bre seemed drunk during her tough chick rant. It came off to me that she was ticked off Cassandra was trying to get on the show. No need to be so nasty though. She could've just ignored her. I just finished watching the whole season including the reunion. The polygraph bit was amusing. Basically, they all think they're the hottest LOL! I wonder why Jason gets involved with women at the office while Brett seems to keep his distance? I knew Jason was short but didn't realize he was under 5'6. I thought all the women were just really tall. Marie-Lou did tower over him though so I see it now. I still don't like Chrishelle and didn't enjoy seeing her painted as a victim and Amanza sucking up to her. Chrishelle has changed a lot since the early seasons and not in a great way to me. She doesn't treat people very well. Surprised when she said she hated Nicole. They don't usually use the word hate on these shows. Will Bre stay at OG just so she can be on the next season?

If Kyle stays on the show, let's see how she holds up through divorce proceedings with Mo, which I think will happen. I'll bet she will want a lot of compassion and understanding. She has so little self-awareness, she probably won't even remember how she treated Sutton.

Larsa seems like one of the least intelligent HWs I've seen on these shows.

Gizelle is such a liar! She needs to go back and watch what she said about it on the last reunion, because she has changed her story. I don't blame Candiace for being ticked off. I was surprised when a few of the women broke the fourth wall and talked about Wendy not wanting Nneka on the show. Whatever the case, I believe Nneka. Wendy is not coming off well at all. I suspect there is a lot more going on with Mia and her husband than we're being shown.

So much for Leslie not saying anything about what he said because "it was just between us." Guess she changed her mind.

Good point. What I don't like is the ex is allowed to make these assertions without revealing her identity or allowing anyone to question her background and statements. Doesn't seem fair.

Wasn't sure so also posted this in media thread.

Kathy's facelift looks very fresh. Wonder when she had it done?

Megyn Kelly talking about the Hollywood Reporter story about Gerry--about 3 minutes.

Interesting because I think the “my person” thing was also from Grey’s Anatomy.

I understand why Leslie was upset and don't think she overreacted. I actually thought she explained herself pretty well on the after show. She seemed especially upset that he told her she was the one. She believed it and had no doubt, and then he did a 180 on in her in less than a day. It was sad to me when she mentioned wanting to "be chosen." I've heard that term a lot on these shows and even on Bachelor in Paradise. It strikes me as someone who wants to be affirmed by someone else... kind of a spin on the old book, I'm Ok, You're Ok. But instead they're saying "You said I'm ok, so I must be." I think when Gerry rejected her, Leslie thought she wasn't ok. She was back to being "broken" and the insecurity she's had for years was reinforced. I think she would greatly benefit from a few Brene Brown videos and a good therapist. Gerry did a poor job of explaining himself. He basically said he felt that way in the moment and then didn't a day later. Ok... sure Gerry. Understand you liked Theresa better, but you shouldn't have told Leslie she was the one. Just own up to that part of it.

Instead of addressing her own radically changed behavior, Kyle mocked Sutton's eating habits. Kyle deflects, deflects, deflects. That's one of her main tactics. Deflect, then attack. Someone mentioned upthread about how Kyle is acting towards others as she treats her sisters. I see this especially with how she treats Sutton. In the interview I saw the other day with Kathy (looked like she had a fresh facelift) she said Kyle is the youngest but bossiest. I believe it. I'd go beyond bossy and call her a bully. It really showed in this episode.