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Vicki's TH when she said that she likes nice people? We know you like rich people, Vicki. They are worthy of your attention and friendship. Did Vicki really say that she wasn't going to ask for Peggy's medical records - she wasn't going to go there. Really Vicki? The twit never ceases to amaze me. I half expected when she was telling Peggy that she would be there for her, she would add "If you need an IV in the middle of the night, just call me. I can arrange it". Peggy is an idiot if she has no idea of Vicki's cancer scam over the last couple of years. Not to mention the insurance selling cancer scam she was trying to disguise as a charity last year. WTF is wrong with you, Peggy? Way too much Vicki and Kelly in this epi. FF'd past Kelly's vag rejuv. Don't waste my time, Bravo. Mind you any time Kelly is on my screen is a waste of my time. I am glad that Ryan finally realizes that Simon was in fact trying to help him. From what I remember Ryan was a PITA, and Simon even went so far as to get him a job at the car dealership where he worked which Ryan blew. As I recall Ryan was lazy and unmotivated, and I don't in the least blame Simon for getting tired of supporting an adult who was mooching off him and being an ass at the same time. Being a step parent is no walk in the park, and it seems Ryan is finally realizing that since he is one now. I continue to be mortified for Tamra's daughter that Tamra continues to talk about her daughter shutting her out of her life. Wasn't the fact that her daughter felt Tamra chose TV over her one of the things that drove her away? Awesome regarding the post above about Shannon losing 15 lbs. On Shannon's thread someone posted an instagram pic of her with her daughters from 10 days ago or so, and she looks fantastic. Way to go, Shannon!! Bravo really made a mistake in bringing both Vicki and Kelly back. Besides the fact that they are both vile people, it is obvious that the cast can't/won't film together. Trying to piece together a few scenes here and there with Howives, and focusing on their own families is just not working. I hope your ratings are way down Bravo, because they deserve to be with the stupid casting decisions you made this season.

Regarding the Tracey Richter case - the woman is nuts. And obviously dangerous. Just based on the episode alone I didn't believe her story. Supposedly Dustin comes into her home, steals a computer which he then carries to his car parked out front of the house, then returns to kill Tracey. Oh, and brings another guy with him. But they don't bring any weapons. None. Supposedly death is to be by pantyhose, which just happen to be hanging on the stairs banister, drying. Hmmm, what would have been the murder weapon if the pantyhose happened to be drying in say, a bathroom or laundry room where most people would hang them? The strangle marks to me did look self inflicted. They only go across the front of the neck. Also Tracey had very long thick hair which one would think would impede being able to wrap the pantyhose tightly around the neck. One would think to get good contact the would be murderer would have to ask Tracey to lift her hair. Again, what self respecting murder-for-hire killer arrives with no weapon and then chooses pantyhose? Tracey said that she had no idea it was Dustin that she killed because it was too dark for her to recognize him. However she was able to, in the dark, reach the gun safe in the bedroom. punch in the correct code for the gun safe, open and locate a gun and shoot it multiple times. In the dark. And hit Dustin nine out of 11 times. I did end up doing a bit of searching, and Tracey's motive for trying to set up first hubby was that he was trying to take custody of their son, and also stop paying $1,000 a month in child support. In the 'diary' found, Dustin writes that first hubby hired him to make Tracey kill her (their) son, then commit suicide. Yeah, that seems plausible. Just what a father trying to get custody of his kid would want - for the kid to be murdered. Apparently first hubby did not provide a weapon to use to make Tracey do these things. So pantyhose it is. Google "Dentist - Tracey Richter tried to extort him". She is one twisted person. I also don't believe that first hubby sexually abused his son. Disgustingly, second hubby has to take their two kids together to visit Tracey in jail (he wanted to move back to Australia) because a moronic judge thinks she was a good mother, and deserves to see her kids. Ugh.

I think David Dooley did it as well. As usual when I watch a Dateline show these days I tried to find out more information as so much is left out of their shows. David and his wife had a contract for cleaning the offices for $1200 a month and were also paid hourly to clean the warehouse. The motive was supposedly double dipping - clocking in and then cleaning the offices which they were already paid a monthly salary to do. And I did wonder - if they were both supposed to be cleaning, why was his wife at home? I don't remember this being mentioned but Michelle's husband was second in command at the business, and had had a couple of previous run ins with Dooley as well over cleaning and what he was wearing to work. In one case Dooley told Michelle's husband to F-off. Not that that is of course a reason for murder but there was a history with hubby. Dooley had too many inconsistencies in his stories. One time he told the police that when his supervisor said there was someone lying there (in an area that was dark except for an emergency light) he just took their word for it but didn't see anything himself. (Obviously the supervisor went and looked. So Dooley just stood around twiddling his thumbs? Because if it is dark, how do you know the person isn't still alive and you could help? Unless you killed the person and know she is dead). There was another time he said to the police that he saw the feet of the person and did not want to see any more. He did say he was cleaning near there earlier but because it was dark did not see the body. From what I remember they said there was quite a bit of blood, so one would think he might smell something - blood has a pretty strong and distinct smell. (Unless he is lying of course, which I think he was). Also the wife changing her story? First when she is interviewed she said he didn't come home. Then she said he did. Kind of a huge fact not to know one way or the other. Also Michelle's body not only had blunt force trauma to the head which she died of, but her hands were tied, and there was a plastic bag over her head. Seems like kind of a personal thing to do to someone you are murdering. Now if random dude was the killer, and just happened to still be in the building hours after being spotted on video the night before outside the building, why would he bother to tie Michelle's hands and put a bag over her head? Wouldn't he just get the heck out of dodge? Of course there is no video of him the next morning leaving the property either. Because he wasn't the killer. And of course David refusing to take a polygraph. Why if you are innocent? The others took it. Dooley said that he did offer much later and they said it was too late. Don't believe that either. Dooley was sentenced to an additional 5 years for tampering with evidence, but I can't find what that relates to - seems like it has to be something tying him to the murder for him to get an additional 5 years for it. In any case I thought he was guilty as soon as he said to Josh that when they arrested him "I didn't know what to say or what to do. I was never going home". He starts crying and continues "I knew I was never going home". If you are innocent and are arrested. you would think this is a mistake, they have no evidence and I will be cleared. If you are guilty, you assume they have the evidence to convict you, and that you are never going home. Guilty.

After the shit show that was Monday's episode of RHOC, I enjoyed every minute of this RHONY episode. Wow, those flowers Scott sent to Tinsley were gorgeous! And I actually did believe that Scott sent them, unlike when Vicki G received flowers in Ireland. I loved that Sonja made Tinsley's 5 day long first date with Scott about herself. Something along the lines of Tinsley friend jumping once again. WTF does that even mean? Tins should not get so upset about the Page Six article. Anyone who knows Sonja would know that she is exhausting to be around, let alone live with. Most likely think Tins deserves a medal for lasting this long. I know I do. When Ramona was handing out the bags she bought the ladies all I could think of was the Oprah show where she announced "You get a car! You get a car! You get a car!". I hope they all thanked Lu, who actually bought the bags. Lu is just so much more fun without Tom around. Or even mentioned for the most part. I miss this Lu.

I have always assumed (and certainly could be wrong) that the stretch limos are provided by Bravo? Since it is essentially a work party they are going to that will involve drinking (the venue for the two year old's party had a beer garden) would they not be covering themselves, making sure that no one drinks and drives? If I were Shannon's girls I would have thanked Shannon for having a reason to leave a 2 year old's birthday party. I am surprised that the daughters went in the first place.

Regarding Shannon's house, when she first came on the show before anyone even knew about David's affair, David was pestering Shannon to sell the house. He never liked it, and never wanted a home that size. I think selling the house was a compromise, and Shannon realizing that she had to give and take and that giving David what he wanted - a smaller house - was part of moving their relationship forward after the affair. Regarding Shannon's health (which judging from this thread is the number one topic so Shannon is certainly earning her orange) we have no idea if Shannon is on medication. (Other than she would likely tell us, of course). I went on an anti depressant for a time after my mom passed, and one of the side effects was weight gain. Which made me depressed in its own right. Once I went off it I was able to lose the weight. I also tried 'western medicine' remedies for menopause, which had worse side effects than the ones I was trying to alleviate. A co worker suggested a supplement for menopause which could be purchased at a health food store. It ended up being a godsend, eliminating my symptoms of menopause with absolutely no side effects. So western medicine isn't always the answer (though it certainly can be for many things). In the picture above posted of Shannon at spring break she looks fabulous!

Regarding Peggy - the thing is, we all (I assume) have friends and or relatives who have come to the U.S. (or in my case, Canada) from other countries. I have friends who came from China, Italy, and other countries as young children. Even if they had relatives who did not assimilate and learn English, they certainly did. None have an accent and have understood English fluently since their early school years. My husband is first generation Canadian, and has cousins who came from Italy when they were under 10 years of age. Their mother never did learn English to any degree, but they certainly did at an early age. No one that I know who has come from another country as a child (or even teenager) is in his/her 40s acting like they just landed in the country. And never did, for that matter.

This in a nutshell is why, after only seeing her on my screen for two episodes, I have no use for Peggy. I am sure her kids, who she claimed to have had the operation for, would be just as devastated to lose their mother due to her own careless driving, something completely avoidable. Moron. I also give a side eye to Peggy talking about English being her second language (and implying that she doesn't understand it all that well). She moved to the U.S when she was all of one year old. So even if she was surrounded by Armenians and family members not speaking English I assume she went to school? Graduated? Had lots of people around her who did speak English? She is in her 40s FFS. And has three kids, two in their late teens, who I am sure speak perfect English. Peggy barely even has an accent, if at all. I think this is her story line - she is an immigrant trying to understand the confusing ways of Americans. Not buying what you are selling, Peggy. Your reaction to Shannon's conversation regarding the house she built, and the rumors about David were just plain ignorance, nothing else.

That was so annoying! Apparently because Peggy is driving Cruella Deville's car, she thinks she is invincible? And WTF was Lydia doing, giggling like a little kid who has never been in a convertible before? Peggy is obviously only impressed by OTT spending, so Shannon should have told her about the basketball court in the basement of the house she built. I am sure Peggy would have been impressed, seeing as her child has to play basketball in the foyer of her house. Maybe mommy and daddy should sell a few holstein cars and build the kid a proper court.

First of all Shannon, you are my hero. To go on TV and not only show your body but your weight takes a lot of guts. And then to go on and be vulnerable with all of the ladies, including the vile Kelly? Heartbreaking. Because Bravo has set you up to be the ongoing target for the mean girl. And I detest Bravo for it, as much as I detest Kelly. Peggy is an idiot. When Shannon tries to share why she built her house as she did, Peggy tells her to put in humidifiers. (I think that was her solution - my mouth was gaping open and I was a bit distracted). When Shannon shares the lies that were told about her husband, Peggy decides it is a joke. What a twit. And the way she turned her head when he hubby tried to kiss her tells me it is not all paradise in her relationship. STFU Peggy. So Vicki claims that an employee embezzled from her? That is her new storyline? So freezing and reading what was actually shown under the headline, Vicki did not bother filing charges against this employee. And the employee also poached clients from her son Michael. But Vicki only employed this person for two months. Sounds like another made up crisis, and Vicki is the victim once again. She is just too darn nice. I have a casserole in the oven as I type this.

Some people do that. I never have. I once had a friend request from someone who was friends with my husband's three nephews, and from his hometown. I asked one nephew who she was as I thought I may know her under a different last name and had forgotten. He said he had no idea who she was. I told him "Well you and your brothers are friends with her on FB". I have never understood why someone is friends with someone they do not know, even if they have friends in common. What is the point? I know, I know, the point is to have as many 'friends' as possible for some people. Apparently Bonnie knew these people would be just that vain. I get friend requests from people I don't know (some are friends of friends, some not) and they stay just that - people I don't know.

I would agree JudyObscure that all three loved the drama. And as people on the 48 Hours site pointed out, Frances could have easily blocked Bonnie from sending texts to her. And whoever started the texting had to get the others number from Bill. Same with Bill's daughter who called Bonnie. She either got the number from her father or mother, but my money is on her mother. I did laugh when the daughter complained that Bonnie had made up a fake Facebook account and then friended all kinds of people in family, including aunts and uncles from what I remember, in order to stalk the family. Why did all these people accept a friend request from someone they do not know (and clearly does not even exist - lol). Stupid, stupid people.

I think Dateline showed Bill's tombstone but not close up? I guess they did on the 48 Hours show, and according to poster RedheadZombie it has Frances and Bill's wedding picture and the date of their marriage on it. Who does that? RHZ made a hilarious comment that all it lacked was "Here lies Bill, killed when his selfless wife ran him down". The posters on PTV never fail to crack me up.

I just went onto the 48 Hours thread since this case aired on that show last fall. There are several posts regarding it, starting around October 16th, and interesting to see views of the same case from a different site.

I remember this case previously as well, so googled it and it was covered on 48 Hours last fall. Pretty much an identical show with still lots of holes in the reporting (unusual for 48 Hours). Like cooksdelight I wondered why they could not prove who was lying about what with regards to the texts. The wife claimed that the mistress sent her texts of she and Bill having sex, mistress said she did not. Since wife didn't have them to show I assume she is lying. With regards to the experiment that the expert did with the two cars and a coin to represent the purse? I did it as well, and the coin went backwards. However since in an actual car there would be a barrier (ie the back of the passenger car seat) I did it again with a barrier dividing the box, and the coin did indeed fly forward. So I give a bit if a side eye to the expert, who should have been able to come up with a more realistic experiment. Of course though that might not have fit the outcome he wanted. However if I were Bonnie I would have been putting the brakes on too (if she indeed did, and I wouldn not have felt the need to lie about it). Why would you continue to go faster while this out of control woman chases you? Heck, if I have someone tailgating me I touch the brakes so my brake lights come on and they know to back off. Trick taught to me by my dad when I was a teenager - works every time. In this epi the cousin alluded to Bill having lots of women. In the write up on the 48 hours site he said that Bill had lots of women over the years, and that Francis looked the other way. So I also give a side eye to her claim that she had no idea that Bill had been cheating on her for 3 years, and had tears in his eyes when he told her, since he had cheated on her for years with other women. I do think she was threatened that this one was such a long affair though. In another article it reported that the 911 caller said that an Escalade side swiped a motorcycle, and that the rider was in need of medical attention. I don't believe that Frances did not know that her back window was blown out. In any case she put many people in danger by deciding to chase after Bonnie, and is just lucky that she did not kill an innocent person. IMO had she she would be serving a lot more than two years. A side note when I googled this case: the two adult children are embroiled in a fight over the father's business which has been languishing since he died. The daughter has apparently transferred assets and money to her own company, as well as to her boyfriend. And also sold property to her boyfriend way below assessed value. The brother is suing her. Looks like the mother's actions have had far reaching consequences. Especially Bill, IMO.

I don't get WWHL, so just wondering - do you mean that Lu was on the show tonight and Andy brought this up in front of her? Also is Page 6 reliable? If so it doesn't surprise me, and though I thought Lu was crazy to rush into marriage (especially with someone like Tom) I would honestly hate for her marriage to implode so quickly.

Wow. Despite the fact that Ramona and Sonja acting like Goldilocks on drugs every time they go on vacation is getting really old (and took up almost a third of this epi), it was one of the funniest episodes I have seen in ages. It is a good thing that I was already lying on the couch when Lu fell not once but twice, as I would have had to lie down, I was laughing so hard. This is the Lu I miss. Not that I want her to hurt herself, but she was genuinely funny, easy going, and not one word about you-know-who. Carole was hilarious in her THs. The first time I saw the balloon game on Ladies of London, I had the same reaction as Carole. WTF?? I could not believe that supposedly classy ladies thought this was fun. Still shaking my head. Loved Bethenny not letting Sonja and Ramona get away with the room shit again. Good on you. I also loved that Beth pointed out to Ramona how lucky they are to be there in the first place, and that the people working there would love to have that life. (Sorry, I am paraphrasing). And loved Dorinda saying that she was so happy to be there she would sleep on the lawn. Best line of the night was Sonja saying that Ramona's face looked like a pizza pie without the cheese. Priceless!!

I find it interesting that some are piling on Shannon for her weigh gain, and being unhealthy. Too bad for Shannon that she is a stress eater. Personally when I am stressed I don't eat. So if I were in Shannon's position, I would most likely have lost weight and people would be complimenting me on how great I look. But I would be just as unhealthy as Shannon because I would not be eating healthy either. Perceptions. I went through menopause in my early 40s, and since then have said that it used to take me a year to gain 10 lbs, and two weeks to lose it. Now (since I went through menopause) it takes me two weeks to gain 10 lbs and a year to lose it. A bit of an exaggeration, but not much. And I have barely drank since going through menopause as it definitely causes me to gain weight. As I tell people who think I don't drink because I frown on it, I would rather eat my calories than drink them. I consider many of the HWs in the series I watch to be boozehounds (much more than Shannon). Most of the RHONY gang, including Lu, Sonja, Ramona and Dorinda. Especially Dorinda. Either they are blessed with metabolisms that can handle it, or take something to counteract weight gain. My money is on the latter.

I equally blame Vicki, and the producers for the mess this season is so far. Vicki should never have been brought back, when she conned (or attempted to con) every other cast member. Shannon has every right to her anger towards Vicki. She was a good friend to both Vicki and Brooks, even going so far as to set up an appointment for Brooks with a cancer specialist. One he did not attend of course, because he never had cancer. Then when Shannon does not forgive Vicki for her lies, and using Shannon's friendship to further her lies, she turns on Shannon and makes up more lies with Shannon as the target. The producers have brought Lydia back as they need someone to film with both Vicki and the rest of the cast (for the most part) that she has alienated. I think it will end up costing them viewers. It is obvious that Lydia's job is to stir shit. Personally, I only tuned back in this season for Shannon as I have always liked her, and still do. She likely should not have returned, but that fact that the producers are continually shoving Vicki in her face, and in turn my face, disgusts me.

More producer driven b.s. on this show. I know Shannon has been into feng shui before, but would she not have had this woman check out the rental house before she moved into it to make sure all was well? The FS lady was talking about applicances and where the toliet was in a bathroom - hardly things you can move. So Vicki and Steve just happened to drop in at Brianna's when the cameras were filming, unaware that Brianna and the kids were going to Ava's birthday party. And Tamra in all these months has never mentioned to her almost-daughter-in-law that she no longer talks to Brianna? Sure. The biggest b.s. of course is coming out of Lydia's mouth. I didn't mind Lydia first time around, though I thought she was a little tame for the OC. Obviously to regain her orange she was told to stir the shit, and particularly where Shannon and Vicki are concerned. Apparently she did not ask the big guy above if it was a good idea, as I am pretty sure he would have said no. And as someone else has posted, it seems like a lost soul would not have a bright light shining from within. So as much as I like Lydia's mother, she needs to lay off the weed. And she needs to tell her daughter that her soul has gone dark. Hmmm, I wonder if Meghan might be suffering from some postpartum depression? She seems very overwhelmed, for someone who could not wait to be a mother. Or it is just two months of not much sleep.

I find Dateline very frustrating as they often leave out what I would think would be important info, even when it is a 2 hour episode. On their website they also stated that neither of the other cases that they brought up at the first of the show have been solved. So even though they spent time reporting on the two other cases at the first of the show they could not be bothered to give this piece of info at the end of the episode.

Regarding the case of Tony killing Rob, I googled the case as often I find Dateline leaves out important information as to why someone ends up being convicted. Tony was served with divorce papers three days before he killed Rob. I don't think Dateline said this in the show, though it is on their website. Maybe up until then Tony was hoping Sophie would come back to him? Tony installed spyware on Sophie's computer, which is how he found out about the relationship in the first place. One Valentines Day he gave Sophie a card with the same phrasing as an email she had sent to Rob. Creepy. Also though Dateline said that Tony had shown Sophie a bag containing a gun, Sophie testified at the trial that when Tony showed her the gun, he also said that she and Rob were "in danger". I don't think Dateline reported this, though it seems like rather an important comment that Tony made directly to Sophie. Sounds like a threat to me. Several sites reported that Tony felt that Rob had "ruined his life". Since those words were in quotation marks, Tony must have actually said that Rob ruined his life. I would have had no problem if I was on the jury, convicting Tony.

I thought that Tony was guilty. And yes, though the evidence was circumstantial, there was just way too much of it. The stalking of Rob, sending him anonymous emails regarding Sophie, going to see Rob in person multiple times, trying to buy a gun of the caliber that killed Rob, and then actually having a gun, leaving his apartment, wiping his computer clean at 2 in the morning right after the murder. And even though Sophie had been seeing Rob for awhile, it seemed that one daughter announcing only a couple of hours before the murder that she had met Rob that day pushed Tony over the edge. Maybe until that time he held out hope that Sophie would come back to him. The fact that he was annoyed that Rob took her to the basement to have sex seemed to point to him still having her on a pedestal. He seemed more mad at Rob for having sex in his basement bedroom with Sophie, than the fact that his wife was cheating on him. I don't think many of his answers to Andrea were believable. He said that he just happened to ask this stranger in Texas about buying a gun because, well, he lived in Texas where guns are cheap. Why did he want a gun in the first place? I have friends in Texas, and I have never once thought to ask them to send me a gun. Also when Andrea asked him about having the gun in a bag and showing it to Sophie, he said that he was holding it for "someone". Why didn't his attorney produce this "someone" who owned the gun, to testify to that? Because it was a lie, that's why. I think that Tony is exactly where he should be. I guess the only positive is that Tony didn't kill Sophie, so that the three daughters still have their mother. Too bad though that Rob's daughters don't have their father. I liked that Sophie and Rob's ex hugged. Obviously they both loved him and were grieving his loss. Edited to add - like others I was annoyed that Dateline did not bring up the other two murders, even if only a sentence or two to say if either case has been solved. Sloppy reporting, Dateline!

Good point! Since she was their Uncle Jack's wife, shouldn't they already know her as Aunt Phyllis?

I am glad it is not just my imagination. I have watched the show since DG started, and I don't remember this constant whispering in other years. I laughed out loud when Phyllis told Billy that she was not used to hanging out with pre schoolers. That is only because your grandchild doesn't live in GC, Phyll. I totally expected Victoria to go ballistic when she walked into her home and Phyllis was there. Maybe because she was with Reed she held back? But to me, if someone says they don't want their children at the house you share with your girlfriend, that person likely doesn't want the girlfriend in her home either.