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Moved to Speculation thread.

Given the huge success of the Frozen movie, there's likely going to be a Frozen 2 movie. So anything they do on this show has to be consistent with that second movie - kinda like how Agents of SHIELD has to be consistent with the Marvel movies. Frankly, I think it was a mistake to bring in Elsa to this show, but I guess they're trying to up the ratings.

I always had trouble believing that Laurel deeply loved Oliver. Given everything we've learned in the past two seasons, I find it easier to believe that she loved the money and status that would come with marrying Oliver. When she believed that Oliver had died, she moved on to Tommy Merlyn, another rich guy from a powerful family. Then when Oliver returned from the dead and she found out he still had feelings for her, after Tommy broke up with her, she's back to Oliver. I find a lot of outfits worn by women who play lawyers and other professionals on TV to be ridiculously inappropriate for the workplace. I recall that in one episode, Laurel was wearing a midriff-baring, sleeveless top and red pants while at work.

If Thea shoots Laurel in the face with an arrow, then Laurel would need cosmetic surgery.... opening the way for the role to be recast with a different actress.

I'm not giving up on this show yet. I watched all previous seasons and I'm hoping the next couple of episodes bring some clarity to the mess that was the first episode of season 4. In addition to my other concerns about Lexi's aging, I'm puzzled as to why she suddenly has blonde hair. I get that she's wearing white and now her hair is blonde. But her mother is played by Moon Bloodgood, who's half-Korean. And both her parents are brunettes. Was the lighter hair color meant to symbolize her purity and god-like status? If so, then that's kinda racist, isn't it? EDITED TO ADD: When I first saw the older blonde Lexi, I immediately flashed back to watching Stephen King's The Stand mini-series. After the Nadine character (played by Laura San Giacomo) had sex with the Devil, her hair turned from brown to white. Lexi looks like a younger version of Nadine - same center-parted, long blonde hair, same round face with large eyes and slightly pug nose. So maybe, if I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt, Lexi's sudden blondeness is a sign of trauma.

The TV Guide article about the Falling Skies premiere referred to The Ghost as Tom's vigilante alter ego (see Spoilers thread for rest of article):

I've been researching Arrow EP Andrew Kreisberg and someone else had commented in some thread (don't recall where) that he wrote a series of DC Comics graphic novels about Green Arrow and Black Canary together. My fears about the direction the show is going with respect to Oliver, Laurel and Black Canary have been aggravated by finding one of those graphic novels in which GA (Ollie) proposes to BC (Dinah): http://www.amazon.com/Green-Arrow-Black-Canary-Game/dp/1401227090/ref=pd_sim_b_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=17YCZ6YHCK2NHF4MGQ5C Also read some of the customer reviews. I'm sure AK still gets royalties from those graphic novels so it's in his best interest to promote the GA/BC relationship. These graphic novels, along with AK's previous interview comments, indicate to me that AK is very invested in the Oliver/Arrow and Laurel/Canary relationship and will not let it go easily.

Unfortunately, we're stuck with an EP - Andrew Kreisberg - who actually wrote a series of DC Comics graphic novels featuring Green Arrow and Black Canary, including one in which GA (Ollie) proposes to BC (Dinah): http://www.amazon.com/Green-Arrow-Black-Canary-Game/dp/1401227090/ref=pd_sim_b_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=17YCZ6YHCK2NHF4MGQ5C So that's the universe that AK is probably going to have the tv show exist in...

I don't think the molar scene really was EBR's fave scene. Watching the WB interview, I don't think she was serious. I think she had to come up with an answer fairly quickly and she pulled that scene out of the air and was also trying to be funny.

The trick is to just not make the show all about the romantic relationship. Look at Tony Stark and Pepper Potts in the Iron Man and Avengers movies.

I'm still leaning towards the EPs remaining committed to making Laurel the Black Canary. But IF they've changed their minds, I can see two possible scenarios - both ways to try to make Laurel a more popular character with fans: 1. Laurel is faced with the option of becoming the Black Canary (upon Sara's death?) and she chooses not to go down that path. 2. Laurel does go dark and slowly becomes a villain, perhaps starting out with good intentions (ends justify the means).

I had forgotten how good this episode was - my thoughts: Detective Lance and his daughters - I really believed the love between Lance and Sara. PB and CL really sold it for me. Their scenes were heartbreaking. In contrast, I never really buy that Laurel loves her father because of the way she speaks to him. Sara as the Canary - Loved her fight scene in the Clock Tower. You can tell it's really CL in some of those shots. I try to imagine KC doing that same fight scene and can only hope that they find a great stuntwoman who greatly resembles KC in both face and body. Laurel - Cringed at her "everyone leaves me" self-pity speech. Everything really is about her, in the world according to Laurel. Also, I agree that she could've gotten out of being on the prosecution team due to her longstanding relationship with the Queen family. In the real world, she would never be assigned to that team in the first place. She just sounded more concerned with her new job than anything else ("But I just got this new job, Ollie! I have to prosecute your mother and try to put her to death if she doesn't take my fantastic plea deal. How else am I going to succeed in the D.A.'s office?" (my words)). Moira and her children - In the jail scene where Oliver and Thea convince Moira not to take the plea deal but to fight, they say that they will still love her and support her regardless of what secrets are revealed at trial. Ironic, considering how they each react later in the season when Moira's BIG secret is revealed.

Regarding the mask scene - to me, it's like the classic scene in medieval or medieval fantasy movies (like LOTR) when the knight or king prepares for battle and his squire or second is the one to strap on his body armor and gauntlets.

Maybe they'll have the child magically age up to a CW demo-appropriate teenager, due to some magical serum like mirakuru. This has certainly happened on other shows...

Miscasting, miscasting, miscasting. Laurel on paper - Warm and compassionate lawyer who fights for the downtrodden and who always knew the real Oliver beneath the superficial playboy. Laurel as portrayed by KC - Disdainful and cold lawyer who uses blackmail to get what she wants and who hadn't a clue that Oliver was the Arrow. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Laurel really knew Oliver the best, then she would've been the first to suspect that he was the vigilante in Season 1.

In my opinion, Willa Holland and Emily Bett Rickards are about the same in terms of acting ability. WH has had more "dramatic" scenes in the past two seasons, but EBR has had more "comic" scenes. Sometimes comedy - having the right comic timing - is more difficult to do than drama. (I'm not talking about sitcom comedy but understated humor.) Both WH and EBR are much better actors than Katie Cassidy - again my opinion.

A perfect example is "Unthinkable". Felicity got Oliver thinking with her "let him [slade] outsmart you" comment, but Oliver was the one who came up with the idea of using Felicity as bait to get close enough to Slade to inject him with the mirakuru. He also had the guts to do the unthinkable in order to save the city. If Oliver was so dumb, then Diggle would not be letting him be the leader of Team Arrow and neither he nor Felicity would ally with him. I don't think Felicity is a Mary Sue. As others have mentioned, she is not liked by everyone and she is not perfect at all. She sometimes says things that are unworthy (like her Fantasy Island comment). I also don't see her "crush" on Oliver as teenager-like. Men and women of all ages can have "crushes" - look at all the celebrity worship that goes on in today's culture. It's how or if you act that matters.

I can see a lot of guys being interested in Felicity and Felicity being oblivious to that interest. I just picture some poor guy working in the IT department at QC making a point to pass by Felicity's office every day to say 'hi'. Then just when he works up the nerve to ask her out, she gets transferred to the corporate offices to become Oliver's executive assistant.

Helen Mirren played an older woman kicking ass in the Red movies. Liam Neeson played an older man kicking ass in a lot of recent movies. Tom Cruise is 50 years old, looks a lot younger, and played younger men kicking ass in his recent movies. I think both male and female actors want to play as young as they can get away with in order to expand their choice of acting roles.

Well, that was a disappointing mess of an episode. I hated the Lexi storyline. I got shades of Adria from Stargate SG-1, a young Glory from Angel (with her creepily delivered peace message), and even shades of Stephen King's The Stand (from Lexi's fake blonde appearance) - not to mention the special half-alien girl from V. The "Hitler youth" party has also been done in various shows, including V and the old children's show Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future. Then, Tom Mason as a masked hero was like a parody on a different show. This show started out as trying to be realistic - or as realistically as a show involving aliens can be - and has devolved into familiar sci-fi tropes.

The Arrow/Deathstroke final fight scene in "Unthinkable" made Entertainment Weekly's list of "The Fifty Best Scenes" (June 20, 2014 issue). EW viewed every episode of every show on TV over the past year to come up with this list of what they considered the 50 most award-worthy performances. This scene was #40 on the list. Reason: It's pretty impressive that Arrow got any recognition at all, considering the competition.

I watched the debut episode for Anthony Head but his accent changed from northern to southern American at times. I was also distracted by little Cosette (I think her name is Bixby?) which took me straight to Les Miz. The other upper tier angels allied with Gabriel looked like a cross between Power Rangers and Magneto. I think Claire is going to betray Alex - just a feeling.

I can see the scenario posted above by SonofaBiscuit happening. The EPs don't want to lose any fans but they also seem committed to Laurel becoming the Black Canary (with the jacket hand-off, etc.). Unfortunately, I don't see Laurel being killed off anytime soon. It's more likely that Sara will be killed off. They didn't kill Sara off in Season 2 because they already killed off Moira (one big death per season?) and because, I think, people expected it and there would've been a huge backlash. Maybe they think there will be less of a backlash if they further prop Laurel up in Season 3 and end it in a big dramatic arc with Sara's death.

When Laurel went to see her friend about a job (after she was fired from the DA's office), her friend told her that they couldn't hire her because there were legal disciplinary proceedings (for disbarment) pending against Laurel. Later, when Donner(?) hired Laurel back at the DA's Office (as part of the set-up), he told her that he had taken care of canceling those disciplinary proceedings. That's my recollection, but I could be wrong.

Given all the spoilers I've read, I'm starting to lean towards agreeing with those who think that Season 3 will include a real exploration of the Oliver/Felicity relationship (including drama involving 'Daniel' and the baby mama, and culminating in a real romance), plus a host of "Batman villains" - all as a way of offsetting the backlash of showing Laurel's journey toward becoming the Black Canary. I'm afraid, though, that Season 3 will end this way: the villains are defeated, but the Oliver/Felicity romance is over or suspended because it threatened their ability to defeat bad guys; and Laurel either becomes or is significantly on her way towards becoming the Black Canary because Sara has died.