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My last post about the poster - It's possible that the images used for Felicity and Laurel in the Season 3 poster are in response to some flack about the Season 2 poster which used sexed-up images of Felicity and Laurel. So in the Season 3 poster, Felicity is wearing a demure dress, while Laurel is wearing a lawyer-like pantsuit.

It's a catch-22 with Laurel at this point, isn't it? Because of the botched-up characterization of her during the past two seasons, the only way to make Laurel more understandable going forward is to give her more flashbacks and more screen time. But that would mean time diverted away from other characters. I'd like to understand Laurel better if she's remaining on the show, but I don't want to see more of her on my TV.

Thanks, wonderwall, Ceylon5 and others, for your great analyses. There is a difference between knowing a character's character and knowing a character's background. This discussion made me think of another show I'm watching called Legends. I'm getting to know the lead character on that show as an increasingly complex man through his behavior, his actions and his emotions (beautifully acted by Sean Bean), but I don't really know the character's background because it could all be a fake background (a "legend"). I don't know a lot about Felicity's background, but I've learned a lot about her character over two seasons through her words, actions and emotions, and how others interact with her.

Even though I think Sandhya contributed to other designers' dislike of her by her insensitive and thoughtless comments, I also felt like Korina was always resisting the urge to be really nasty to her but was conscious of the cameras and therefore limited herself to a few bad comments (probably watched the Gretchen season). I think Sandhya was just clueless as to why she was so disliked. It's really easy for a group of people to develop a pack mentality toward one person. I could easily see Korina, Amanda, Sean and maybe others going all 'mean girl' on Sandhya over the course of the season if she hadn't been eliminated. It also didn't help that she was winning challenges early on. I was waiting for the judges to comment on Korina's poor construction of some of those hanging chads - er, tabs. It was noticeable in the close-up view (loose threads). But nope, no comments. As others have said, Tim Gunn needs to stop helping - he isn't. Then he backtracks during the judges' up-close look at the garments. The close-up of Sean's face when the judges were praising Char's fringe when Tim had told him to remove his planned fringe, showed even the producers were aware of this issue. For once, I agreed with the judges' decisions. Kini deserved the win for his design this week and Sandhya's onesie deserved to be eliminated. I don't think Kini's design was super original, but it was very well made and fit the girl & doll perfectly. One quibble, though... From what I could tell, the American dolls all have different stories. Some are rich, some are poor. And they come from different eras. Yet it seemed like the top designs were all like something a well-off girl would wear. For example, Kini's design was definitely for a rich girl, so how would a girl from the Depression-era have a winning design?

RATINGS RAT RACE: Revamped ‘Dancing With The Stars’ Snags Smallest Crowd For Fall Debut by The Deadline Team September 16, 2014 9:35am http://deadline.com/2014/09/dancing-with-stars-ratings-record-low-835033/ Just wait until next Monday when The Voice and Gotham debut...

Quote Source: http://cwtvsource.com/2014/09/17/new-arrow-season-3-promotional-poster/

These websites both interpret the Season 3 poster as confirmation that Laurel has joined Team Arrow (in addition to Roy who joined end of last season)... New ARROW Season 3 Promo Art http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=107775 Arrow Season 3 Poster Highlights the Fortified Team Arrow http://tvline.com/2014/09/17/arrow-season-3-poster-oliver-felicity-diggle-roy-laurel/ To compare and contrast, here's a link to an article about last year's Season 2 poster: http://tvline.com/2013/08/27/arrow-season-2-poster-felicity-diggle-slade-laurel/ And here's Season 1: Maybe the CW didn't put much thought into each season's poster - who knows? But we're (meaning, fans) not the only ones who pay attention to cast placement on the poster.

I think I predicted many months ago that the Season 3 poster would have Oliver book-ended by Felicity and Laurel... FYI, source links for both full-length poster and close-up image below: http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/09/arrow-season-3-new-promotional-poster.html https://www.facebook.com/CWArrow

Moved to Media thread.

There was a time in Season 1 when I wanted Tommy and Felicity to get together because I thought they both deserved better than Laurel and Oliver.

At this point, I don't really care when Oliver first smiled or whether it was a genuine smile. My impression of Stephen Amell is that he's grateful for his Arrow gig, he works hard to promote the show, and he genuinely tries to be nice to his fans.

Colton Haynes interview: Arrow season 3, new DC characters Interview Caroline Preece 16 Sep 2014 - 06:30 http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/arrow/32095/colton-haynes-interview-arrow-season-3-new-dc-characters

‘The Flash': New interview with Grant Gustin Posted on September 16, 2014 by Staff in The Flash http://cwtvsource.com/2014/09/16/the-flash-new-interview-with-grant-gustin/

Arrow is his #1... Five Returning Shows to Watch This Fall By Chris King on Sep 15, 2014 http://www.tvovermind.com/lists/five-returning-shows-watch-fall-240379

The easy fix is just to have Laurel go live with her mother. That way, they can always bring her back if they want.

I think it's a double standard thing. It's like polygamy - it's almost always a man with multiple 'sister' wives, and not a woman with multiple husbands. It's the perception that a woman is more willing than a man to share the same sex/romance partner. So Oliver had sex with both Sara and Laurel, but both girls end up being okay with it (Laurel gives Sara relationship advice, Sara figuratively hands Oliver back to Laurel). But Diggle had qualms about sleeping with his brother's widow and ultimately broke up with her. Oliver was icked out after discovering he had had sex with his father's mistress, Isabel. I always thought that Laurel's initial problem with Sara and Oliver hooking up was less about love and more about pride, competitiveness and her fantasy future. When Laurel and Oliver broke up after Tommy's death, it was due to guilt over his death and not because of Oliver's hook-up with Sara.

Moving to Relationships thread.

I don't know if I'll actually be able to watch all of these shows, but here's my list.... New Shows - Agent Carter, Constantine, The Flash, Forever (for Ioan Gruffudd), Gotham, Gracepoint (for David Tennant), Stalker (for Maggie Q) Returning shows - Agents of SHIELD, Arrow, Castle, Doctor Who, Elementary, Hawaii Five-0, Once Upon A Time, Orphan Black, Person of Interest, Sleepy Hollow, The Voice, The Walking Dead If I had the channels, but I don't, so I can't watch - Game of Thrones, Outlander

I don't know if I can sit through another hour of watching this stupidity and yelling at the TV screen. Ben's sudden re-appearance (and with speaking lines) was strange. It's like, yes, there's another minority still living under the Dome. Even the Dome rejected Julia as a sacrifice. Speaking of Julia... Did Julia ever love her husband? It sure didn't seem like it. When she was packing stuff and looked at the picture of her husband, and Barbie says "you can take that" (gee, generous of you, Barbie, considering you killed her husband), Julia decides to leave the picture behind and dismisses her dead husband by saying "that's my past life". Rebecca sees a big (fake looking) strand of Melanie's hair is coming out of her head and, yet, when we see Melanie recovered, her hair all looks fine - no bald spots. Isn't it strange that no one mentioned that Sam was the one responsible for Angie not being there when they were assembling all 7 hands on deck to save Melanie. It's like the show forgot he's a cold-blooded axe murderer. And ick, on Sam reaching out his hand to help Rebecca up from the stairs. He's a murderer, Rebecca! Is Sam the only doctor in town? Wasn't he hiding out in the woods when the show started? Where's the regular town doctor? Pauline's visions are one of the most contrived plot devices I've ever seen. Whenever the characters need to know or do something, there's a convenient vision to show them the way (for example, the red door portal). Even when it's inconsistent with the show's own "logic" (can I say that without laughing?). The egg leaves the Dome and Pauline's visions stop. Oh wait, they need one more vision to do the whole hands-on Melanie thing, so Pauline has one more vision even though the egg is still outside the Dome. The song "Turn" playing at the end made no sense to me. Does the Dome have to go through all four seasons? Oh, I know why the people didn't wear heavy overcoats when it was so cold and why the "winter" lasted so short. We have to be able to see the actors' fit bodies - biceps on the tee-shirt wearing men and the figures on the women.

Maybe that's what Andrew Kreisberg meant when he compared Laurel to Lois Lane (add sarcasm) - Sara is Chloe and Laurel is Lois.

Velocity23, thanks for the deleted scene and EBR interview link. That liveblog was really hilarious (although I think Arrow is a better show than this blogger thinks). If "she" refers to Laurel, then this line sums up the problem with If "she" refers to Thea, then it makes no sense except to showcase her immaturity. I just don't remember that scene. Some of the funniest blog lines: The line at 3:53 reminded me that Diggle used to have this thing for his brother's wife, now widow, but felt uncomfortable hooking up with her because... you know, brother's wife. But yet, the show has no discomfort with Oliver hooking up with two sisters.

The "saving the world" quote reminded me of Buffy's tombstone epitaph (after she died to save her sister) - "She saved the world... a lot". However, Buffy was a true hero. Laurel is just Laurel. The "saving the world" quote was, I think, a way to explain Laurel's motivation to become a vigilante and future Black Canary. Probably, at some point, being a DA isn't going to be enough.

I'm about fed up with this show. Even though I'm happy Romeo is gone, I don't think I can sit through another episode of Tyra manipulating the results. There is no way that Lenox deserved a 1. There have been worse models than her in the past that Tyra has scored a 5 or 6. Even Adam was worse than Lenox and he didn't get a 1. Tyra was just punishing Lenox for being unwilling or unable to act and pose like a porn star. To me, Tyra's lessons on how to be sexy were more borderline porn star than fashion model sexy - just my opinion. In fact, in a past season, wasn't there a model that Tyra constantly criticized for modeling too sexy? It's clear that Tyra has her favorites and those she wants to send home. At judging panel, the runway stilt-walk/posing wasn't even considered in the scoring. Ben won the runway but didn't really win anything, did he? I'd bet that if Keith, Will, Raelia or Mirjana had done poorly in the sexy spider commercial and really good in the stilt-walking runway, then Tyra would have critiqued both sessions in scoring the models. I will be surprised if Keith doesn't win at the end of this season. The pairings for the spider commercial were obviously rigged. Just more of Tyra's manipulation.

I was disappointed that Beach Cruisers were eliminated because I liked their healthy approach to food and their attempt to price reasonably. Now we're left with three food trucks who all make heavy cholesterol, meaty foods. I am completely turned off of Lone Star's price gouging the customers. I hope karma bites them next week. Maybe it was the editing, but Tyler seemed to help Let There Be Bacon more than any of the other food trucks. He not only gave them tips but also actively helped them prepare their food.

At this point, my favorites are Luis on Team Rachael and Sean on Team Guy. I actually thought the show was trying not to have Sean win again by having Guy assign him octopus to cook - very difficult to do well. I hate to criticize kids, but my least favorites on any team are Gibson and Helen.