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Yeah, that's how I saw it too. I mean Luke telling Lorelai he didn't want her doing the party because he felt she would do it so much better than him (which she ended up doing). I got that Luke didn't know how to really be a parent around a girl full time. I mean he had been involved with Jess (a boy). While he was in Rory's life a lot growing up, it wasn't like he was taking her community events, planning birthdays, ect. However, I felt like it made Luke seem more like an idiot. First, he only told Liz about April about finding out. When April said who she was to Lorelai, he basically went into panic mode and even April didn't know about Lore was engaged to her dad. It came across not only forced, but also made Luke seem like he didn't know how to think like a normal person. It was about secret this and secret that and Anna might makes things even more hard even though she caused this mess in the first place thinking Luke would hate kids and even worst having Luke think in that moment that he probably would have been a bad dad. Which even made less sense and I can't believe Soctt Patterson didn't say to change that line. To something like: "I'm sure I would have been shock, but who knows how I would have acted or been a good dad or not." "You robbed me of that Anna!" "You were still selfish then just like were during our relationship." Because then you would have had a hurt Luke but also calling out that Anna had always been like that and why their relationship didn't work. Instead, it was they just broke up, opps Anna found out she was pregnant, but during one dinner date she immediately assumed Luke hated kids. Because given the long established GG history, Luke was constantly running to the city to help Liz with Jess and was a father figure to him during that time. So, really, that didn't speak anything to Anna that Luke would have stepped up and been a dad? I still hate the story to this day, it was take your stupid pills and ignore everything that was established with Luke just so AS-P could break up L/L.

Right on all points. I agree with others, that kind of revelation would shake me to my soul, but at the same time. There would have been some choice words with Anna instead of how Luke went around with it. Luke didn't do anything until Anna said they were moving away to care for her terminally ill mother. Which was more bullshit of how much control they gave Anna. Not the fact that him acting and not telling anyone else but only Liz about April. The fact that the revelation was found out completely by accident and Luke handled that even worst. Then the entire Lorelei ultimatum followed by the pain that was Christopher coming back as a result. It was April telling her father: "grandma is dying and mom wants to pack up everything move there until she dies." Then Luke finally told Anna: "She's my daughter too." "You don't always get your way." Which is what he should have said since day 1. He let Anna get away with everything. I was on Anna's side when Lorelei yelled at Anna about things, but Lore was in the wrong there. Even worst, Lorelei would have acted like Anna if their roles were reversed. Of course, Lorelei always left the door open, Anna took words way to literally from others and figured she knew better than everyone. Why I hated her character, she put Emily shenanigans to shame. At least Emily had a warp POV. Anna was more of crazy woman.

I completely agree. They were used so much and the point was to just use them to fill plot. We never got their home lives, inner workings, how they came into being. Then magically *poof* gone and never seen again. They were so busy getting ready to write off Jess and Dean at the end they could have spent time with the pay off of Rory and Jess and Dean breaking up. Instead Shane just happened to be with Jess when summer was over. Lindsey just happened to be dating Dean and they were apparently "serious" when the hockey game happen. If season 3 did anything, it sadly started the force of how over board Taylor went on things and Kirk started going from quirky guy to doing some very strange things that lead to even worst stuff down the line. I think the writers were so focused on getting to the end of the season with the spin off that never was and Rory graduating from Chilton. They didn't know what else to do that season.

Its such a huge plot hole for years on what is being spent on the rent between two professionals making at least 70K a year (140K total) before taxes and someone who has been in and out of jobs for several years (Penny). I get that Lenoard and even Sheldon have gone overboard on spendings (Sheldon's trains). However, when you throw out the constant "student debt" its very stupid at this point in time. Leonard would have had something paid off by now. Even before the series began, we know that Leonard was keeping money stashed and then buying big things with it when he had enough, but kept plenty of back up for things. Then just like Raj, the student loan debt just magically became a thing again because his parents cut him off when he would have had international grants and so forth. Its just a tired plot of how Chuck Lorre and the writing staff don't know how much people in their positions make or that eventually people learn from their mistakes and don't have other family members influencing their financial spending. Its just Penny going: "Hey money! "Spend, Spend, Spend!" Like how Alan on TAHM was constantly: "I have to pay out money to someone again, because a chiropractor who is divorce can't make $2."

Times where Alex needs to get over that "special little snowflake" the same way Rueben should have moved on when Alex kept rejecting him for prom. Especially, when Alex and Sanjay were back together by then.

The only thing I can believe is how you can fall on old habits when something like money is involved. My wife and I have done it, but we do get the picture. I mean I can get something I want, but also know when its something small because I rather pay out debt down. I remember about 2 years ago when her old job was getting ready to close up. We had months to know about it, and I said that since we had the extra money, let's pay off the outstanding bills so we won't be looking for money later on. She was in a complete: "No, we don't need to do that." "This other job will happen and we'll be fine." She also made the comment about giving money that I had just made to her parents to buy their old car and were charging us an even $4K for it when the dealership and KBB said it was only worth 1K and not to mention had over 140K miles on it. I told her that was not right and her opinion was: "Don't be stingy and just make my dad happy." Well, guess what? She never got the new job. We had our dishwasher break, needed to replace our refrigerator and a cleaning company talked her into purchasing an $800 unit we didn't really need for our furnace. Then not only that but the van we bought from her parents needed new brakes not even a month later. New shocks and then new tires because they were balding. We spent $3,600K for the van before that and we ended up almost maxing out our cards and my job cut our pay. So, now I just work small jobs on the side to pay off things and when her parents say we need to buy something I tell them to buy it for us. Because now they want us to buy a new car because their old one is on its last legs. Verses if I would have used the 4K I had, we could have paid things off, gotten a new car and be in a lot better situation. Ok Rant over and back on topic. BBT, they have to write it so that Penny and Leonard can't learn from their mistakes and then go into hard earn saving or hard spending because they have money. I wish they had it where someone else was making them think they need to spend it but instead they come off as two people that never learn. Especially Penny, stop going shopping and maybe worry about getting a house, brownstone or paying things off. Instead they come across as two people who have to hide things from each other or one of them is going to blow their money on something stupid that they both can live without. Even more, the fact that Leonard isn't earning closer to 100K at this point in time and also would have loan payoff from the university at this point.

I think what was even worst is that AS-P said at one point she just threw her hands up and worked on figuring out how to break them up. Because she was in such a "I need to avoid the Moonlighting Curse" crap she spouted off since season 1. AS-P wanted to keep them who they were, but at the same time, also didn't know how to write them as a couple. Hence, Luke went to the extreme on his demeanors and Lorelai became a half whit most of the time. I think it was amazing that even with Christopher and Lorelai, AS-P wrote them as that high school couple that never moved on. Unlike in season 7 when Chris was written to enjoy the stuff that Lorelai hated or mocked and Rory liked that her dad actually enjoyed the stuff she loved. Then the writers wanted to make Luke actually have a nice balance of dad to April and still be the character we all knew and loved back in seasons 1-4. Yet, the entire thing was: "We can't write a couple, so screw it and let's make them become morons who have to break up." "The audience and fans will thank us in the end." However, we didn't and said that shows still have this problem and I'll take Castle as the most recent example of writers and creators just not trying and thinking it's smarter to put some stupid contrive plot to break characters up that makes no sense and has them acting so out of character, you think it was a completely different show. Then they go: "Why are you cancelling us?" Well duh! Or with the entire April Gate story: "Duh.... you said you didn't like kids, now kiss my ass and jump when I tell you to."

I agree on all of your points. It wasn't just his emotional stunted condition that really turned off with Chris's character, but it was his character in general. How many times did he let the entire "fairy tale" marriage idea dictate his life? How come he couldn't have at least tried to be in Rory's life more? Why did he just immediately let his parents walk all over Lorelai and Rory without a thought or tell Emily that it was time to move on with the "picture perfect life" that she kept trying to force on them. When he was old enough, successful enough and sadly got another woman pregnant years later that he did try "marry her and life will be great" and it turned out to be bullshit! I'm sure Chris could have been shot in the foot by someone and he still keep coming back with: "But we belong together!"

I completely agree and considering everything, I have no doubt any of the group didn't at least get a some grants or scholarships while finishing their advance degrees. The student loan debt only works if the said character wasn't doing well job wise and couldn't live within their means and had other things come us such as: house, family, car payments, ect. Yet, the show likes to jump around from zero debt to apparently having huge spending habits. Kind of like how in season 3 on Mike and Molly when Molly had enormous loan debt because she spent it all the time despite living at home, paying minor rent unlike her sister who paid "zero" rent and was making over 35K a year but blowing it on pot and so forth. I remember at one point they tried to have it where Sheldon was spending all his money on collectibles, which would make sense, but then turned around and him go: "I know the difference when I need a comic book and paying my rent." Chuck Lorre and all the writers at CBS just don't know how debt works in the education world and don't know it differs from state to state depending on where they working or what their degree is in. Having Penny now being the irresponsible one with money and Leonard now the smart one when it comes to money is as stupid as how Raj was socking money away while his parents paid for everything and then magically having massive debt when his parents stopped. Where the rest of his money go? Its beyond tired now.

Something that really made me hate these two storylines more than I have expressed over the years when Luke told Lorelai that she didn't want him involved in it, but he was. Yet, he couldn't do the same with Lorelai. The roles were switched, but yet they both didn't do anything about the estrangements or dealing with the situations in either a logical or mature way. It didn't help matters that Emily and Richard acted like Rory just was on a burn out and that the entire smack down by all but Honour and Logan in the Huntzbergers' Clan was all in Lorelai's head and never happened. Or how Luke let Anna dictate everything when really, it stank of a woman who make things better for herself and not her child. I really did say for a while I wish April would have told Anna: "He's a great guy, and he's trying to be a good dad." "Why did you think he wouldn't be all these years?" And then see Anna try her whole: "Well we were on a date and he said he didn't like kids since these other kids were fighting with each other." I would have loved to see April's face on that. Yet, Luke has no problem introducing Jess to April with his: "This is Jess your... cousin." Followed by Jess a bit taken, but then shaking her hand. He acted like Lorelai would kill April in her sleep and then Lorelai thought that Rory would just come to her senses on her own and they would magically be healed. When it took Jess telling Rory that she had lost her mind and why she let people make her feel like that. Just showing more of how AS-P warped sense was to cure family rifts or issues that really could have been handled just by TALKING with the person.

Oh I hated that! Even Matt LaBlac said a few years later that he hated the script saying it was too stupid even for Joey. He also talked about how it didn't make sense for the fact that Joey was going to be Les Miz and they only speak a whopping 5 lines of French and he couldn't believe that Joey needed to have a "tutor" to do it. Another thing that was a problem with Jay not doing the double click fast enough. My own wife who didn't know that did it at the same speed on our iPad and her iPhone and guess what? It worked fine because it was at the default speed to allow that. No way that Jay would have not had his work in all caps or Manny getting so upset about it. I'm also voicing my continuing hate for Joe's needing to be watch! Be his damn parent Gloria! You don't work!

Not anymore. He just took a job in Utah and left it all behind now. So, no Nanny for Joe anymore. Plus, he would be a year away from Kinder anyhow, his parents are both home. Why waste the money?

Now, that she could have done, but if she was in hiding, you don't think her supposed powerful husband couldn't find a way to find her? I mean this is TV after all.

Also, how did she pay for it? Just dropped off a sack of money every semester to the bursar's office and said: "No questions, just take it!" Also, what a horrible way to write Callie out makes the last few episodes irrelevant and a waste of time.

Jo is under a false name and her husband is abusive and powerful. So, how can you hide in plain sight, complete a medical degree, falsify paperwork and then go into a great surgical program and not one time does a red flag show up? Plus, she has a few drinks and then spills everything to someone who should have said: "Fuck this, I'm turning you in. You nuts!"

From what I understand, Alexis had no problem telling SP and knowing he would talk about it. So, I think everyone should just relax. He was sharing happy news and if AS-P is going to mad at it because Rory is pregnant at the same time in the show. Then that's her fault, but if we see Rory not showing at all in the revival this fall. Then what's her problem?

1. I completely agree and the fact he didn't know how to do it? He's been gone 6 months at most, not 10 years and why does he keep calling Manny to bail him out? Manny was being just as a moron than him. 2. That was really odd. Alex would know better. In fact everyone was acting extremely like idiots in this episode. 3. I thought that was weird too. 4. I keep asking myself the same question. Especially when her boss is missing more braincells than everyone else in this episode. 5. He also has an Apple Watch and get's notifications and he can't get double click? 6. Cam has always done that and at this point, its as stupid as Fisbo showing up. 7. I know. Especially when the last few years, they keep stealing things or doing something so bad she has to kick them out. At this point in time, I just say: "Screw you, you always screw me over and I'm not getting killed in the process." Gloria gives her family so many passes and then turns around and kicks them to the curb. Just leave them be. Like Manny should do with is dad. 8. They are out of ideas or keep trying to hope that they find story lines that work they just don't work.

Something else about Haley unplugging the game machine and it not saving. No! That's not how it works. Once the game is over, it saves very fast. This isn't 1981 where you had wait a few moments before it stored the high scores. There is no way the game would magically go back to the previous high score like that or go down to zero. Not how modern game systems work. You have to reset the memory board and you can't do that without a code or game resetter. Those are used by the companies who house the games. Since I'm sure the Closet Company has the game under a lease form so that when they are tired of the dance game they can get a new one or have it switched out if it fails. There is no way that Haley magically unplugging it with her foot and still moving without missing a beat would happen. Here is something else I noticed about Cam making all those meals to be cooked and used. When did he do all of this and not have Mitchum or Lily see it? Plus, Manny said he lost all the saved movies because of Joe's shows. Umm... that was a favorites bar, not saved movies in digital form. You can have several favorites or recently watched movies and be fine. These writers don't get how tech works these days and then act like its funny if you really, really suspend belief. Like Manny not fixing the double click settings on the iPad.

I enjoyed the finale, but the ending with Erica and Geoff, yeah, that is lazy writing and I wish they would decide to either have Erica graduate or not. It was implied several times this was it. Not to mention Adam going over how this year has been so hard for him. I had to agree, he had the most thrown at him and they were not all the best stories. Some I thought were a little too much, especially with the entire swimming class issue and being ashamed of his body. Yet, we saw him with his shirt off a few times and some of the kids in that gym class were much pail and more scranny than him. So, it really negates the story. As for his voice, I feel his pain there when I was that age. Was very touched by the dedication at the end and I'm looking forward to Patton doing double duty next season as he will not only continue as adult Adam, but the new TV's Frank on the Mystery Theatre 3000 relaunch. As he joked in one narration: "I was ready to PUSH the Button!"

It was an ok finale, but I have to agree, there was no ground shaking changes or cliffhangers like the last few years. This episode did firmly show that they have no idea what to do with Manny. I can get Jay not getting the double click, but Manny not pointing out to change the settings so he can double click at his speed was too much. Of course, this is coming from someone who thought his iPhone frozen on porn would be handled better by taking it to the Apple Store instead of just doing a hard reset by pressing the home and lock screen button at the same time. Also, they have really pushed Manny's pompousness up big time this season. From the way he talks about Joe, how he drinks is coffees, how he plans these stupid ideas with Luke. Manny is about a step away from being thrown out a door and landing on his face. Speaking of Luke, I liked that they continued that Phil and Claire couldn't see Luke having a girl over and then Phil's reaction. However, after something like that and then the girl goes out of her way to sneak out and everything else and then dumps him? I guess Luke's tied tongue must have been the deal breaker. Ok! Enough with Alex being hated on by everyone, that is too much and then apparently she is still with Sanjay even though she had to take herself down to go to Prom with Rueben. Oh, that was too much. As for Mitch and Cam, so Cam couldn't do a surprise about the plane tickets on his own card or on an emergency credit card to keep the surprise? What happened when the bill statement came for Mitch? He was just going to go: "Oh, I guess I forgot about that." Or that he did Lily's perm, why didn't she go to a professional stylist? It was talked and implied, Cam screwed it up with leaving the curls in. Also, what 8 year old wants a perm? Least with Claire and Jay's stories, they made plenty of sense, but the warehouse guy she was firing, I'm surprised he lasted that long, especially after he admitted about screwing up so much. Yet, he basically defended Claire on how the rest of the company sees her and treats her. Glad they finally all shaped up, but how Haley just unplugged the dance game and didn't even notice she did. That was too flakey even for Haley. Bye Andy, I won't miss you, even if I know I will see you on and off next season.

As I've said, if Jo is still married, there has to be a good explanation. With all the time jumps and everything the last two seasons. If Jo is married to some abusive person and couldn't to not get discovered. Then that is really, really bad.

Something that also never made sense with LokStat it was that they made it like he was involved in killing Beckett's mom, but it was all Bracken since he didn't want anything traced to him. The mess started because three cops and a rookie cop accidently killed an under cover agent. Bracken who was the State's Attorney found out, used the mob money the cops were using to build his back drop and then went to Washington. Now, could have Bracken made connections with dirty people in the CIA? Yes of course, but the problem was when Bracken went to prison and Mason/Caleb wanted to clean up things so they wouldn't be found out is when it all went down. The safe thing would have kept VIcktrem and their party alone. Killed the people they didn't know about and left Bracken to hang. Hence, no one would have known about Lockstat and it all comes down to a former Senator who got to power hungry and it all crashed down on him. Yet it turned into obsessive Kate trying to take down Mason/Caleb and even more, what the hell was Lokstat even doing if it was an operation and not really a sole person as Mason revealed and Caleb pointed out earlier. There was so much use of secret former military people from the first Gulf War, helicopters sneaking into prisons and guys literally dying for no reason but to keep "the dragon happy". Including the last guy who was blown up trying to get Monmgamery's files and his excuse was: "I have nothing better to do." So, yeah killing and torturing people just because someone told you to is right up there with 3XK telling people they were evil and they went off and killed for Tyson and so forth without any other reason because they were told to and they were killed by Tyson anyhow. You think these lackeys would get the picture, that maybe working for them was going to get them dead anyhow and they had no families. So, what was the point? The story was just so full of not only plot holes that they tried tying them in with the stories that Marlow crashed and burn with like Castle disappearing from his wedding day to stop an terrorist plot and missing phone cards trying to frame the mayor of New York to stop Castle and Beckett from finding the big bads that even made less sense. These are hack writers and they should never be allowed to helm another show again.

No, I think they missed some great stuff there between Beckett and Alexis. I mean, Alexis was her step daughter. Granted grown up, but still, the interactions were so missed by both show runners and trying to make her uber junior detective was way too far fetched. Something also, with the 7 year jump forward. Now, an almost 30 year old Alexis has siblings that are almost 25 years younger than her. That would have been very interesting.

Some guy they could perfectly match DNA to be Caleb, because you know, the power of evil like Tyson. "You are evil! Obey me!" "Yes master..." Take what you will who the real Lokstat was, in the end, it didn't make any sense, no reason for being, they were just the bad guys and the show runners thought it was a brilliant story that had no point in the end and a very bad tasted on ending. The only good scene in the entire episode was Castle crying after giving everyone up knowing that Mason would kill them. I also like Mr. Flynn: "The state named me and raised me, why I'm so evil!" "3XK, ain't got nothing on me!" "Shit!" "They shot me in the hand!"

Wow! What a mess and I do mean mess! This ranks up there with the bad endings of How I met your Mother, Sopranos, Two and a Half Men, and Roseanne. I mean, the tacked on ending of 7 years later didn't make any sense either. I also like how Caleb went into his super villain speech and never thought for once that Beckett being in the next room wouldn't notice him talking. Here was even the worst things, Lokstat had nothing, in the end what was the deal with it? Gun running? Drugs? The paper work keeping The Bachelor and Grey's Anatomy from being cancelled? Also, Caleb was way to young to get into everything that would empower Bracken. Seriously, these show runners had no idea how to do anything and it was just a mess and I'm sure as of tomorrow and a few years from now. Mason would have made sense, but we NEVER GOT THE ENTIRE POINT OF LOKSTAT TO BEGIN WITH!!! Castle will be remembered as a show that really bombed in the end, and how they should have either told them months in advance it was getting cancelled or just had it end with season 7 and went from here. Good luck ABC, maybe you can try and find some new shows instead of trying to keep dead shows that were once great alive because you have nothing else to air.