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This forum was purged, rather than just condensed, and such a great entry in television history cannot be left without a thread, so here it is. I suppose I should re-post some of the substantive analysis from the deleted forum, but for now I'll just note that Buffalo Tom's Late at Night came up on my iPod's shuffle play during a walk this morning, and I immediately burst into a huge grin picturing the Angela and Jordan hallway scene when he takes her hand. On my death bed, I'll associate that song with that scene. And romantic relationship scenes in TV/film/books are quite scarce on my list of favorites. But this show presented that first consuming crush very well, and that scene is the perfect embodiment of it.

Same here - the Sophia/Max storyline is one of my least favorite, yet the Elvis fan club storyline contains a line that is not to be missed. At least it comes fairly early in part one, so I can watch that and then skip the rest. "Maybe you ought to join an organization that is a little less fanatical in its devotion." "Like what, Blanche? The PLO?"

That admonition certainly wears off by the time many of them get to a game. Did it seem to have an effect in real time, at least, that offenders quit doing it for the rest of the mock game(s)? Congratulations on doing so well, @teebax, and I hope to see you on the show.

Goodness, the buzzer clicking was loud tonight! I love that John started with the African capitals category and did damn well with it; contestants are often so bad at geography, that impressed me. (Jack Kemp instead of Jack Kennedy, though? Quite unimpressed.) I liked that category and the NATO alphabet and chocolate ones, and was pleased most of the songs in the song titles category were actually ones I knew (it’s hit and miss with music categories – ‘60s – ‘90s I’m pretty knowledgeable, but before or after the odds go down a good bit). I sucked at the comics category, even spotting me "on," because I am not at all into comics (be they books, shows, or films), but otherwise I had a good DJ as well. The bistro TS was surprising just because of the category. For FJ, I initially thought Phil Donahue (I'm not a talk show fan, so that's how far back my mind goes) and then dismissed him as being before the timeframe asked about and not also hosting a prime-time show (how I translated "network show" or whatever it said). Regis Philbin popped into my mind next, in going through male talk show hosts, and I stuck with him because I couldn’t come up with anyone better, but I wasn’t at all sure of it until the last second when I remembered he hosted Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?, too, and it must have been around that time. But, even then, I was thinking of Regis and Kathie Lee's morning show for the talk show, so I was still stuck in the past. So I’d have totally backed my way into a get for that one.

My bathroom had carpet in it when I was a kid, and it was surprisingly non-gross when we ripped it up. I don't know why the previous owners had opted for carpet in there to begin with, or why my parents waited to ditch it until they no longer liked the style/color of the carpet rather than getting rid of it immediately because carpet in a bathroom is weird, but it wasn't the nasty mess you'd expect.

Yep, it happened a lot. It was ridiculous. And one can argue, "Well, they're old; they're not exactly going to be on the five-year plan," but a) it's common for women in long-term marriages that end in death or divorce to stay single and b) even if they all were interested in marrying again, there's a world of happy medium between five years and five weeks (or less) of dating before marriage. This series was the very definition of a situational comedy, so it's a real testament to the actors that I love it so; they made the characters and their friendships feel real overall, despite the many instances in which they were written as kinda awful. But credit to the writers, too, despite my various plot complaints; the humor was occasionally sophomoric but often quite sharp. And just the fact that a group of women, particularly older women, were given a wide variety of interests and activities other than romantic relationships with men is cause for celebration (it shouldn't be, since that's, you know, reality, but on TV - yep, cheers!).

I mostly share this UO. Jerry existed in the Roseanne revival, so I assume he continues to exist on The Conners spin-off, and I unequivocally do not care that they haven't mentioned him again, nor do I ever wonder about him. Fred and Andy being apparently retconned out does annoy me in that the glaring similarities between Becky's pregnancy and Jackie's now apparently not existing is something I can't help but think of every time the two of them discuss the pregnancy or Emilio. So in those scenes, I do think of it. But I'm not distracted enough to be taken out of the scene, and for the rest of Jackie's scenes I never even think about them. So on the whole I'm fine with them not existing -- it's a little weird, yes, but it's a minor thing in the grand scheme of my viewing experience.

In the entire world of food? Not so much.

Immunity.

Quite a few TS tonight. Chateaubriand was a little surprising, given they were spotted both “C” and that it’s a steak dish for two. (I’m not a big beef eater, so I don’t spend a lot of time in steakhouses, but enough to have seen it on many a menu over the years, plus seen it on some PBS cooking shows.) Ammonia and Shogun were also a bit surprising, but Yeomen including a picture is the one I'd have bet big that everyone would know, never mind just one. Oops. Wow – the Burt Lancaster TS didn’t result in a “before your time.” For FJ, I remembered the news story about the shredding right away, but it took me so long to come up with the artist's name, I wouldn't have had time to write it down had I been playing -- it was "that Girl With Balloon guy" up until pretty much the final second.

I'd heard of a Hot Brown, I think on some other show rather than in real life, but wasn't sure what it was until they brought out the original. It wouldn't be my first choice for a late-night indulgence, but I wouldn't turn it down if someone put it front of my drunk self. I thought several of the cheftestants' take on it went too far away from the concept. I'm not much of a beef eater; I love a good rib-eye steak or hamburger, and very occasionally a loin/filet mignon, but other than that I don't cook with/eat much beef. I hate flank steak and also hate both pot roast and corned beef, so I guess from their food facts chyron that means I hate round. I think the only cut I hadn't heard of was the plate, and I wouldn't have any earthly idea what to do with the head, either. So while it's not my favorite meat, I was very interested in what they'd do with the various cuts of beef. But, goodness, I wasn't interested in most of the results. The dueling tartares didn't look/sound good, but Adrienne made strip steak - a cut I don't much care for - look good (I wouldn't eat it without scraping off the blue cheese, but it was visually appealing and I think I'd quite like it without the cheese) and Justin did the same with flank steak (but with him, too, I didn't love the other ingredients). Sara pretty well imploded with both the QF and EC, and Brian made my beloved ribeye look boring (and, wtf, boneless?!). The chuck, shank, and brisket dishes didn't do much for me, either, and Eric's dish looked/sounded truly awful, so overall I did not wind up having any sort of beef epiphany. While Eddie's dish didn't appeal to me, I figured from their feedback he was going to win. And, of the top three, I think he's the one who will most enjoy the prize (the others would love the trip to Tuscany and appreciate the opportunity to learn from Mr. Carne, of course, but I think he's the only one of them as excited by the butchering lesson as by the trip). Brandon's dish sounded the worst to me, and that he and Brian had easy cuts yet screwed them up while Sara was dealing with one of the two most difficult meant I was hoping she'd live to cook another day and he'd go home, but any of them would've well deserved the boot. This was just not a good showing from most of the cheftestants, and I think they - and the judges - are happy to have it behind them.

I can understand someone like Anneke leaving; she had to be pretty drained after four games. But in your situation, I imagine I would want to stay, too - like you said, just being there to watch is its own special experience. Had those who skedaddled watched other games prior to taping their own, maybe?

A Little Romance was on last night, and I laughed throughout as I always do, but I also have to grumble at how when Jonathan asks if they can have dinner to discuss something important, Rose assumes he’s going to propose marriage. I don’t know how long they’ve known each other at work, but they've only been dating not quite a month. Hell, they haven’t even slept together yet, but she thinks their relationship is serious enough he’s thinking marriage?!

I noticed a couple of small ones while watching a few first-season episodes last night, in back-to-back episodes. In the one where Dorothy has an affair with Glen the married teacher, after they have sex she says she's not self-conscious with him like she normally is in bed, not worrying about a variety of things ("what's jiggling" is my favorite) including what she sounds like. But in the very next episode, when Al Beatty dies in Rose's bed, and Blanche - after Rose says the noises they heard last night were her having a nightmare - says it's interesting how the sounds are the same for awful nightmares and great sex, Dorothy says she wouldn't know. When Blanche questions her on not making noise - "how can you not?" - Dorothy reiterates that no, she doesn't make a sound. She's always wanted to, but it never seemed to warrant one. Okay, maybe In a Bed of Rose's actually came first in production order, and the air dates got switched so it wound up coming after That Was No Lady. But if the Al thing had already happened at the time of the Glen affair, Rose probably wouldn't have spoken the way she did about Dorothy seeing a married man (or, if she had, Dorothy would have thrown him in Rose's face, and Rose would have protested that she didn't know, while Dorothy does). Also, in That Was No Lady, when Dorothy is trying to justify the affair, she assumes Blanche has been in her shoes, but Blanche says she's never been with a married man (it's not worthwhile; the husband feels so guilty he gives the really expensive gifts to the wife). But - again, the very next episode - when they find out Al lied to Rose about being married, Blanche says, "I don't know why they do that. Don't they know we'll sleep with them anyway?"

It was dark in that hayloft. That's probably the dress the previous poster was thinking of, yes -- Mammy described it as her first formal, white with pink trim.

The whole thread is spoiler-tagged, so there's no need for tags in individual posts. I'm looking forward to the snark about the new restaurant - maybe some reference to how many restaurants have opened and closed in that space since whenever The Lunch Box went out of business, especially if some old fixtures are still around. Funny, but also realistic, since the overwhelming majority of independent restaurants don't last long term. I doubt Leon is running a Chinese restaurant, but I suppose he could be an absentee owner. I don't know that it would be financially feasible for him, but I'd go with it if it meant we got a one-time appearance of the character; I hope if the show goes on, they'll work him in somehow. Since we don't know who did and did not attend Roseanne's funeral, they could run into him somewhere and he could have a wickedly funny line about why he didn't come - or a wickedly funny line about some tacky aspect of the funeral. Leon and Roseanne playing off each other was the greatest part of the character, but he was quite amusing with other people, too, so I'd like to see him again.

That was particularly annoying because none of the other Shop Talk clues (well, we didn't see the $200 clue, but none of the rest) had a clue within the clue; you just had to know. The dart clue already had a visual example (as did dovetail joint), so adding in the pub game reference stood out as groan-inducing at the $1000 value.

I have no idea how I knew that one. I don't watch any of the shows in that category, but I knew several; the rest I can say for sure I've seen them referred to in "Everything Else TV" discussion threads here at pTV, but that one I have no idea how it got into my brain. The Chief Justice TS surprised me, but I suspect the misses tangled them up rather than honing them in on the right answer, because I’m sure at least one of the three knows the highest-ranking judge of the U.S. Supreme Court is called Chief Justice! Similarly, I thought the bishop TS might have been a result of forgetting the category versus all three not knowing/blanking. I wouldn't have come up with it without the category, because I don't know how to play chess, but given the category I knew that was the piece they were after. The Tito’s TS would have been surprising among a group of Angelenos; I wonder if after that miss, any of the contestants noticed its prevalence on drink menus while in the area for taping (that still wouldn’t give them the “handmade,” as that’s on the label, but although made in Austin it’s very popular here in L.A. [it’s better vodka than most of the same price range, so it’s popular with both patrons and establishments when it comes to drink specials, plus micro-brewed/distilled is always popular here], so it may be something they noticed after the fact). A picture of Rachel Maddow isn’t quite as bad as last night’s picture of Janis Joplin, but come on. I had absolutely no idea on FJ.

Looking at the lists posted, it's clear the early '00s are when I started losing interest in popular music; the '70s, '80s, and '90s songs I was all readily familiar with, but once the aughts got going and especially once I hit the teens, it was only about a 50/50 chance I'd even heard of the song.

Ugh; I guess that means it's David. I wonder what The Lunch Box is called now (they could have sold the name, along with the equipment, to the new owners, but it's funnier if it's a new name and something they hate). It's funny that they'd go there now -- Roseanne probably forbade anyone to set foot in there, so it's only now that they can.

I don't think Mammy said anything about Blanche's dress when she talked about being at the wedding, standing in the back with the caterers so no one would notice her, just "the most beautiful bride I'd ever seen" dancing with her dad to Tennessee Waltz, asking the band to play it twice so she could dance with him as long as possible.

It's completely over my head - who's the guy on the left, and why is it great for them to be doing that gesture together?

As surprised as I was by all three entree-round contestants overcooking the marlin (I don't even eat marlin, let alone cook it, and I knew they all had plans that would annihilate that fish), I was even more surprised the two surviving contestants came up with such great desserts with those ingredients. I really want to eat that ice cream! Also, I laughed out loud at Geoffrey describing sea beans as having a "pop of salt" - to me, they taste like little more than salt itself.

The real Roseanne Conner, not the one who shoved her granddaughter's head under a faucet and praised spanking. Yes, I certainly hope she comes to her senses (and assume she will, or at least a cliffhanger on her decision, since Darlene in Chicago realistically means no more The Conners), but I don't buy Darlene's first reaction being agreeable because she's tempted or even just going along with it because she thinks it benefits others. She'd say "Whoa, too fast" and evaluate from there. She has a lot more responsibility on her plate than the Darlene of old, and she'd love a way to support herself and the kids in Chicago again, yes, but not enough to jump right to entertaining something this stupid. If she loves this guy (which I still don't buy, because I just flat-out do not like the relationship and do not much care for the character, but for the sake of argument), she'd encourage him to take the job and try a long-distance relationship (with her writing her part from Lanford). Not uproot her kids again (including away from their father who's at least a part-time presence again) and leave newly-widowed Dan and pregnant Becky (neither of whom are her responsibility, but they'd both be a tug), to rely on this new guy for housing on top of everything else. I just don't buy, whatever deliberation she might undertake in the interim given everyone's circumstances and her pragmatism, that the first thing out of her mouth would be anything other than of the WTF, dude? variety.

Ugh; this episode was not a good look for the women of the show: Blue is an idiot; why the hell would you want to have a child with someone who abandoned the two he already has? And it’s not as if David lost his shit when Mark died, disappeared for a year, came back, put in the work to rebuild trust and establish good relationships that last to this day – he’s only recently attempting to be a parent again, so has no track record to speak of. This is even worse than Crystal marrying and procreating with Ed even though Dan told her exactly how her life and those kids’ lives were going to turn out. Darlene finding the idea of moving her and the kids in with Ben "amazing" (and immediately!) is batshit crazy (not totally unprecedented; she was thinking of moving in with Jimmy, despite how nuts that would have been, but she was young and child-free then!). She was also totally out of line about the music lessons; if you’re going to use someone for free music lessons, don’t get pissy when they act like a teacher. “If you’ll remember that for Mother’s Day, I’d like to see it in glitter” was great, though, when Mark had more sense than her. I can’t even with this Jackie/Peter thing, either. Again, it made sense for her to fall into yet another relationship of this type, but it was also wonderful to see her leave it before the abuse spread. (But we got a “Back when I was on the force,” so Jackie wasn’t a total loss tonight.) Becky’s baby shower was almost as tacky a present grab as Roseanne’s shower for her umpteenth kid. Becky’s story line also continued to highlight that either they’ve retconned Andy out of existence or have egregiously failed to capitalize on the similarities between Becky’s pregnancy and Jackie’s. (And given the Darlene is the new Roseanne/Becky is the new Jackie thing that has been going on since the Roseanne revival, I lean towards the former.) The Fred history would explain why Jackie is shoving Emilio into Becky’s life over her objections, but they're not talking about it. I figure this is leading to deportation, but we'll see. I guess it's carryover love for what the original series meant to me and enjoying seeing the actors together, because for as many issues as I have with storylines/potential storylines on this show, I continue to enjoy it as a whole.