susannah

When I was much younger, I was pen pals with a girl in South Africa whose name was Nita Bath. I thought the same thing.

I don't know what product it is for, but I loathe the one where the waitress collapses in the diner.

There was a Texas governor in the late 1800s, James Hogg, who named his daughter Ura. True story. I agree about the first name/last name sounds. I have said that I have always liked names, as a hobby, and there are definitely rules to good naming, like your examples, and also not to have the last sound in the first name, even if it's not the ending, be the first sound of the last name. Like Jessie Sutton, etc. It sounds clunky.

I still remember seeing a birth announcement in the paper of Justin Thyme. Of course none of these names compare to the horrible ones some celebs have given to their defenseless children.

You think it would be fun to be named Justine Green? I don't, nor would I like any name that rhymed. Still I guess it's not as bad as the name a friend from high school gave her son. Last name James. First name, James. I have also known a Penny Nichols and Aronda Korner. Wow you dodged a bullet there, with the Russian name!

I thought the point of contention was what to do with the drunk officer, not the issue of police reform. It seems odd to me that they would just take an officer off the street and allow her to be at ONE PP, since it is a regulatory position, policing other officers. Doesn't one have to be trained for that? Also, I was thinking how there was more than one opinion on what should be done. I imagine that rigid consequences for any screwup might seem Draconian, but would eliminate the agonizing over what to do. Taking it case by case, as demonstrated, with varying levels of consequence, puts undue pressure on Frank, ultimately.

I have a cousin who was named Keith, after his father. He has always been Keithy to me, even though he is middle aged now! I hear you about letting kids name the new baby. Another cousin, whose last name is also mine, Green, let his 7 year old daughter name her sister Justine Jade. That always boggled my mind. Cruel for Justine to have to live with that name.

I always thought Ashley was a pretty name, as well as Angela. Both have been pretty popular over the years.

What is your sister's name? I find this conversation so interesting as I always have been interested in names. When I was a kid I would make long lists of names, with middle names, kind of as collections. Weird, I know. But don't you have to put the name that is on your birth certificate on legal documents?

I was never a fan of my first name, like mine middle name better, which I use online, but I would never have had the courage to do that at school. I didn't hate it, just really didn't like it. Did you legally drop your first name? I am reminded of S. Epatha Merkerson, who was awesome on Law and Order. I always wondered what the S stood for if "Epatha," was better. Turns out it is Sharon, which is my sister's name. Do you ever tell what your hated name is? How can you have a non legal name on your license and SS card?

I couldn't agree more about the One PP detective. I don't know what they were trying to prove with that whole thing. It was like she was looking to cause problems, and it did make Sid look like an idiot. As Frank said, officers should be invited to come up there, not the other way around. The unit is not sexist. Abigail is just as important a part of it as the guys, and they treat her with respect. Also don't know what the heck is going on with Erin's boss but she is being psycho. One day she is publicly trying to destroy Erin's career and the next she is waltzing into Erin's office singing and giving her some better case. The Vietnamese plot hs been done to death. All ethnicities have their gangs and their Mafia.

It was probably considered a fine name for a girl back in the 1800s and early 1900s..I had a great aunt named Ethel, but I would feel so sorry for anyone getting stuck with it after that. So your friend's name was Susan Ethel? I wonder if she legally dropped it as an adult?

Yes, that is called the "cottage model," and it is much better than the mass warehousing of earlier years.

I would sure rather be named Martha than Geraldine or Harriett or Mildred or Ethel! Ethel O'Hara? Big no!

Why are you amused? It's a very old fashioned name, and no one has said differently. There are probably thousands of girls named Martha through the years, they just aren't famous. Not sure what your problem with it is.

You apparently are holding your age well!😄

Also Martha Byrne, Martha Quinn, Martha Gilbreth of the original Cheaper by the Dozen, and many others, from way back in the day to young women. It's an old fashioned name, for sure, but it's not completely off the chart.

I have to disagree on this one. Martha isn't popular anymore but has been very popular through the ages. 75 years ago was 1946 and I am sure girls were often named Martha. Probably also Linda, but not Karen. That was later.

So many. 😪

That was godawful to read about but I bet it was true, perhaps of varying degree, for all or most institutions for the disabled, back in the day. They were seen as less than human, and treated thusly. But it was also true, again also of varying degree, of how society felt about alot of people they felt defective or unworthy, orphanages, homes for unwed mothers, the girls sent to the the Magdalene Laundries for being sassy, mental hospitals, etc. Sadly, there are so many who are trapped in their own bodies, often due to cerebral palsy but also MS, muscular dystrophy, etc.

I agree about poor Nancy, and about Sr Hilda, but she better not be trying to take Sr Julienne's job! I also liked when Sr Monica Joan, upon hearing that Nancy had a child, said, "so that marginalizes her, but isn't that where we work, with the marginalized?" I like when they call the baby Jonty! We shall see what happens with the tenements from here forward. What is this?

What a horrible thing. He should have been shot. I am sure way back in the day, that when things like that happened, and I am sure they happened often, that many girls would keep their babies using such deceptions.

I didn't catch all of the show this week, but I saw that the cranberry pie was too sour. I only saw Jen's pie when she was cut, and I was like, what the heck? Does she not know how to spell home? It must have been her ice cream that Nancy said was terrible. Terrible is way worse than sour.

Nor the reverse! I would think that those family get togethers would be very awkward either way. Also, I wonder how any kid would feel when he finds out that his mother gave him away to his aunt. Even if they never told him, secrets always come out. It seems like a badly conceived plan to begin with. See what I did there? 😀 Do you remember the episode quite a while back where the impoverished mother had two children already and had just given birth to a third, and her sister was essentially going to BUY him? I hated that. She was wealthy but would only help her sister in any way unless she turned over her baby. That mother changed her mind too, and the sister acted like she was entitled to the kid. I can't imagine how such close adoptions would ever work. Nice chatting with you, Ella!

Your points are valid but I just really disagree. Yes Reggie comes home for visits but he is supervised. They don't leave him at home alone. They don't ask him to do more than he is able to do. He helps Fred, but in ways that alot of even special needs young adults could do. I;m not sure what "real" problems could arise on his visits home. He is able to take care of himself, dressing, eating, etc. There have been several times when they worried about him though, the one where he was giving bread to the sick sailor, as you mentioned, the one where Violet was worried that the marketplace sellers were taking advantage of him, and when he put the little tin carousel on Barbara's grave...killer.. and the one where he missed his girlfriend and they were worried someone was taking advantage of him. I agree that his place sounds really nice. I guess its just perception, but I don't even think it was implied that all a parent of a special needs child needs to do is to love the child. Fred had no way of knowing what Robert's level of function would be, and said to the father that since they got Reggie when he was already grown up, he didn't know about raising a Down's baby. But, if I remember right, the father was worried that he wouldn't love Robert, not about what his abilities would be. I also didn't see any "villainizing" of the sister for not taking the baby. She was honest with her feelings, and I was so glad that she was honest beforehand and said no, instead of them taking the baby and then putting him in a home, or hurting him out of frustration. Not everyone feels up to the challenges of a special needs child, especially back then when support and resources were pretty thin. I remember when Rhoda Mollucks, the mother of the thalidomide baby, was, with her husband, just at her wit's end to know how Susan was going to manage anything, eating. using the toilet, bathing, etc, as she grew. But they didn't institutionalize her. Others would, and did.