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William0102, you must be an English Lit teacher! I supposed that your explanation makes about as much sense as anything. Maybe in the show finale they will show us a flashback of whatever happened after the bridge. I also suppose that this episode kind of cleared up the 12's motivation - a bunch of anarchists who just wanted to sow world disorder. And it looks as if the people behind Season 4 is taking that to heart because as of right now, not a helluva lot seems to be making any real sense. Talk about something full of sound and fury and signifying nothing! Gotta give props to all of the actors involved whose talent makes one want to keep watching this through the end.

Anybody watch this week's episode? Mr. Bobby Dazzler probably would have wet his pants with glee if he had access to that super-dooper 3-D space age scanner. So now they'll dig up that area and they're talking two possible shipwrecks off Oak Island. When it was mentioned that they were going to have to get permits to investigate on possible shipwrecks, the first thing I thought of was what poor schlub has to keep writing how these permit applications and also that Nova Scotia politicians must consider Oak Island an endless cash cow. Those permits must add up to some bucks after a while.

I've been unable to put my finger on what it is about NCIS Hawaii as well although I think it's not so much that the cast is relatively unknown as much as there being no charisma amongst them. The lead doesn't come across as being badass or seasoned enough to be the team leader. She is lacking something - I could see her in a supporting role on the team but not as it's leader. In a way it's like McGee on NCIS - the actor is perfect in the part but he would not cut it as the team leader (and that must have been obvious to the showrunners who brought in Gary Cole). I read that the producers on Hawaii wanted to have a cast that reflected the ethnic makeup of Hawaii but I don't think that Vanessa Lachey was really the right fit. The rest of the team is kind of meh too except for the Tech guy who in true NCIS show fashion is a major eccentric. As for Knight and Parker - yeah! I was a late comer to NCIS, so I missed the glory days of the show, but I'm liking Knight and Parker much better than Bishop and Gibbs. Bishop started out ok and then they changed her a lot. Re Kassie - I guess that every show now has to have the token gay person. Seems in the NCIS shows it's always a woman. Maybe the NCIS producers think lesbians are hot or maybe not as offensive to the viewers with fossil sensibilities as a gay man would be.

See the link by meira.hand (trying to quote it). Check it out - cracked me up!

Another good episode and I'm seriously falling for Gary Cole. I had never seen Office Space although my sister had told me about it years ago and said that I'd love it. So I watched the clip linked and almost spit out my coffee. Now I HAVE to see that movie! It was great seeing Dr. Grace and Fornell again and the actor who played the grieving father was wonderful. The victim having a 2nd wife and baby was a good plot twist and the big clue to what caused his death. Guess that the NCIS cross-over event worked in that I wound up watching NCIS Hawaii for the first time since it's 2nd episode (which didn't impress me enough to keep watching). It made great use of our usual NCIS gang (except Jimmy, McGee, and Vance) and has provoked interest in giving Hawaii another try.

I'm wondering if Helene had set this up with Villanelle beforehand and that V has a bulletproof vest or something similar (arrow proof?) under her clothes. This way, Helene taught Eve a lesson but Villanelle isn't really dead either. Helene had sprung V from jail so why would she kill her? Plus V can also see if Eve is going to be upset about her "demise".

Watched the first episode this weekend. My God, why do these shows have to overdo the torture/violence porn? My other half really enjoys British crime dramas but I'm finding that although I love Endeavour, Midsommer Murders and Father Brown are more my speed because I can't take the violence and gore. That being said, I give this show props for having actors who look like average people (especially Lesley Sharp and her "lived in" face) and who are all really good actors. I'll watch a few more episodes and see how much I can take it.

What a weird case this was and the moral of the story is that alcohol and guns are a really bad mix (duh). I think the victim committed suicide. His big financial deal was crashed, he's 50 years old, and he has downed a bottle of vodka (Jesus, those guys were heavy drinkers - TWO bottles of vodka between the two of them). Easy enough to be that incredibly drunk and go get a gun and end it all. Rationality doesn't come into something like this at all. And who knows what the three of them talked about during the evening. Maybe the wife got mad and called him a failure or said, "THIS again! I'm done..." and maybe her stepfather chimed in and agreed that Lee needed to grow up and get a real job or that he was a loser who was putting his family through hell... You just don't know. And from personally coming from a household with an alcoholic parent and where most of her relatives were also alcoholics, I can tell you a lot about very drunk related people gathered together for a "good" time. Thank God nobody had guns because it could have been tragic. As for Lee's family who just can't believe that he'd kill himself. the face a person shows people on the outside can be different than what they are feeling inside. Again, from personal experience having a friend who was the absolute last guy anybody would have thought would kill himself - friendly, outgoing, happy on the outside, with a wife and two young teens whom he adored. Yet this man hanged himself from his staircase at home leaving his family in shock and his kids in freefall and all of his friends asking "why???".

Ok, so The Twelve started as a bunch of loutish "anarchists" in the 80s? So what as been their current purpose? Are they trying to overturn the New World Order or are just a bunch of fancy thugs who are getting rich off of corruption in high places? I am so confused at this point. I just hope that awful serial killer that she is, Villenelle survives the arrow. And I still don't understand what Eve is doing in all of this.

Just commenting to bump this thread up. I snoozed through most of last night's episode. So they found a nail (Yipee!) and more trying to make excitement out of nothing.

If I recall, Marta didn't show up to court so they dropped the case against him. I kept thinking, that too bad she hadn't showed up - maybe she still would be alive. But considering how often Domestic Abusers get only a slap on the wrist, maybe not.

Well, I'm still confused as hell. I know who the players are (and I don't get the point of Pam being a part of this) and I still don't understand the motivations or what is really going on here. Is the guy who escaped on the scooter (wearing a pink suit no less) one of The Twelve? He is apparently yet another one of Carolyn's past lovers. And Carolyn was talking about Villenelle in the orphanage, and wasn't that in Russia? Which means that Carolyn was working in Russia at the time... who was Carolyn REALLY working for? Was she always a Russian agent who became the mole in MI5 or just the opposite? And I still have no idea why Eve is hunting The Twelve. I loved Villenelle's Cuba pantsuit (it was very vintage 70s looking) and yeah, that apartment! I can't figure out how Carolyn would've survived Villenelle clonking her on the head with that wrench though. That would have caused a serious injury even if it wasn't meant to kill her.

I guess that this show wanted to make it's point about white red-neck "cracker" police, but yeah, why didn't Dante just tell them that he was a cop and show them his badge? Oh yeah, then you wouldn't have the story of an innocent Black man being brutalized for no apparent reason other than he mouthed off to a racist bigot and was going to pay the price for it. And because it's Dante, we get to know his background story (as opposed to if the brutalized- by- cops victim was a random Black man, and his family goes to Robyn for help). Does this mean that Dante is leaving the show? Or will he be going to join Robyn's team? Anybody know the behind the scenes story?

Patty1H, you are insulting the beloved ET! And I would also love to see Andrea Canning or Keith Morrison walking around East New York. Andrea could be in her heels and that flouncy pink number she wore last week on the boat and the security detail would be discretely out of camera range. Yes, Dateline viewers, welcome to the old freaky (non-gentrified) New York.

I liked this episode better than the previous two. As somebody who has spent, um, years, in therapy, I was amused by Villenelle's expectation of a "quick fix" and comeback at the therapist (who I hope survived his contact with Villenelle) who would echo her question back at her. I also laughed when Eve and Villenelle were on the couch and Eve asked V if she "had a breakthrough". Had to say that I felt no sympathy for that nasty ass of a brother when Pam (?) sliced and diced him. Talk about a jerk who had it coming. But if Villenelle is a "rainbow", Pam seems to be sucked of all color at all - maybe Helene will bring out the rainbow in her. Still no idea on what Carolyn's end game is. Did she really turn or is she going deep to find out who is the mole in MI6 and who it was who ordered her son murdered?

Yes, "crazy". I am usually aware enough to use the correct pronoun if a person considers themselves Transgender but in this case, I think this person is more of a "nut job" than an actual transgender person, hence my quotes. Kind of like when Bob Durst was living in Texas and disguised as a woman. So if anybody was offended, I offer my apologies as no offense was meant.

Ok, so here is a case that Dateline probably wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole but is interesting none the less. Unfortunately, I'm at work so don't have the newspaper with the names but there is a case here in New York in which a woman's torso was found dumped in the trash on the street. Some days later, a guy found a leg dumped in the trash at another location. The police had CCTV images of a woman leaving the scene where the torso was found. So the police followed the trail and it turned out that the "woman" is really a man (who at the moment is apparently transgender and using the pronoun "she") and had first been convicted of murder in 1963 for killing his girlfriend. He was given 20 to Life and was paroled after about 20 years. He was out of jail for less than a year when he then murdered his then girlfriend. At this point, you'd think he'd be locked up for life but this is New York.... so he was released from jail again and now murdered the latest victim. The current victim was a woman who once came from a solid background but who started having mental illness issues in her 50s and became estranged from her family. She wound up homeless but recently moved into an apartment in a new building that mostly houses LGBTQ folks but had a lottery for an apartment for a homeless person. She apparently met the killer through social media but so far, the paper I read (NY Daily News) hasn't been clear on what their exact relationship was. And oh yeah, before I forget, there was the really gruesome detail of her head being found in a plastic bag in the killer's apartment.

Eve wanted some info on Helene (who the lady - Fernanda - had been dating). And then Eve realized that Fernanda's ex-husband might be tied to The Twelve and is slated to be a victim (and I think that is why Helene had gotten involved with Fernanda - to find out info about her ex-husband).

The guy was probably mentally unstable but I also think he snapped with this girl because she was trying to corner him. And none of us know how that final car ride went between the two of them and who said what to whom. When you look at it, this kind of thing is as old as the hills - Theodore Dreiser wrote a best selling novel called "An American Tragedy" in 1925 which was based on a true story that happened in 1906. Young man has an affair with a young woman who gets pregnant, demands marriage and he then murders her because he has bigger plans in his life and doesn't want his future ruined by marriage and a child. Maybe in this case, he hadn't originally planned on murdering Ally but he was supposedly drunk and high, and well, he had a gun. Again, you have to wish that Brandon had called his parents or spoken to another trusted adult about the situation that he had gotten into with Ally. Unfortunately, these two young people were a case of Match meet Gasoline, I think charging him with kidnapping was a way for him to receive a harsher jail term.

I don't want to quote this entire post but yes, have to agree 100%. Frankly, from what we saw in this episode, this girl was living out some kind of fantasy. Pick a school because of football (makes sense for a football player, but for her?). Oh yeah, Southern school, Southern boys (don't get it, with her being from St Louis). She was a pretty girl and apparently bubbly - she probably would have easily had her pick of boys to date, but it seems like the guy she decided to try and "trap" wasn't into her at all except as easy sex. You'd wish that she thought of herself as worthy of more than being for that but did she have hidden self esteem issues? Her friends and family saw her as one thing and maybe she was all that. Maybe she had the attitude that since she wanted this boy, she would make him fall in love with her. My take is that she was sheltered and protected by her family and it was probably a combo of being a shock to be away from all that family love/protection with the added pitfall of having way too much freedom to do what she wanted with nobody putting on the brakes. She was in a situation where she really needed some adult guidance and yet didn't appear to reach out for any of it. She wasn't the first young woman to use pregnancy in an attempt to snag a guy and she sure isn't the last, but what a waste of two young lives.

Yes!!! I enjoyed this episode - good case of the week, and everybody had something to do. THIS was The Equalizer that I have grown to look forward to - unlike last week's episode which would have been ok if they had made the Jada Pinkette Smith character more toned down, and yes, less of a flake.

So far, this is totally incoherent. I'm wondering if Villenelle killed the other church people or just the Vicar and his daughter. Amazing how such a beautiful face/body can be so evil and psychopathic. Why has Caroline defected to the Russians? Now that we know they killed the one woman in the 3 photos, we can figure that the annoying twerp could be on the hit list as well. If somebody else is killing The Twelve, why is Eve still trying to find them? I'm just totally confused.

Wow, that broad was a real piece of work. I can't add much more to what the rest of you have already said. And I'm totally disgusted that she got such light jail time for what was a really brutal and pre-planned murder. If that had been a man who pumped 8 bullets into his wife, he'd be doing life without parole. And yes, she did look so much like Kirsten Dunst (and when I said that to my 74 year SO, he said, "who's that?"). And it really is mind blowing to know that somebody is plotting a murder and you don't call either the police or the intended victim. That interview with Andrea was great - usually not a big Andrea fan but she nailed it there.

Does Katrina Law have a martial arts background? Was that really her doing that fight scene - if so, she has some awesome moves!

Looks like I guessed the winner. And I read that FOX has given the go-ahead for Season 2, which I won't be watching as I've come to the conclusion that "Competitive Reality" shows are not my thing. That being said, I would have very happily eaten any of the meat dishes as well as Pyet's appy.