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90DF Live Chat 2: This Thread is Only 60% Good
Grifter Lives replied to OnceSane's topic in 90 Day Fiancé
Neither Ryan-Harris nor Zied hit the jackpot, either. -
90DF Live Chat 2: This Thread is Only 60% Good
Grifter Lives replied to OnceSane's topic in 90 Day Fiancé
Or teeth. -
90DF Live Chat 2: This Thread is Only 60% Good
Grifter Lives replied to OnceSane's topic in 90 Day Fiancé
Uncle Beau may be doing double duty as camera crew on the driving away scene. -
90DF Live Chat 2: This Thread is Only 60% Good
Grifter Lives replied to OnceSane's topic in 90 Day Fiancé
Jovi was very 1980s, but Uncle Beau blows him away, with the whole Born-in-the-USA costume. -
90DF Live Chat 2: This Thread is Only 60% Good
Grifter Lives replied to OnceSane's topic in 90 Day Fiancé
Is Natalie leaving her surfboard behind? -
Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore
Grifter Lives replied to Rhondinella's topic in Sister Wives
Brown admitted that monogamous relationships just seem "like a lot of work." However, she said plural marriages have their own set of challenges. "I do have to do repairs myself," she said. "Like, if a fridge breaks down, I have to call the appliance guy. But I think after a while, you just get used to it." I guess warranties are only available to monogamists. Just from the top of my head, I can think of a few more exclusively polygamous challenges: Being Strong or Being a Bitch Being The Basement Wife Jealousy (and hatred) toward your sister wives - and the inherent competition Keeping Sweet (instead of #LivingMyWhy) Where We Go One, We Go All (or whatever Kody's command was to move to Flagstaff) Finite Resources - that are spent on the 4th wife's mansion rather than the basic health of Christine's self-proclaimed low-priority children Eternity on Planet Kody with the Sister Wives, if he calls her name -
I agree. A courthouse wedding would have given her the small wedding with no fun that she wants. Yara's been in a perpetual bad mood because Jovi piled on his friends after she allowed Mom Jovi to see them marry in Las Vegas. Since she arrived, she has insisted that he can't have guests because none of her family could attend. She says that he makes her feel less important than his friends. NOLA Jovi seems to be Vacation Jovi + Friends. Yara said it herself: "That's how everything work with Jovi. You let him to take one bite and he will eat all of your cake." Both she and Jovi are so self-absorbed and self-centered.
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A few observations from my rewatch: When Ryan's mother goes searching for him, Stephanie tells her assistant to block everyone in the family, "mother, brothers, sisters, cousins," which, of course, includes Harris, who watches and listens without reaction. (In the flashback, Ryan refers to Stephanie as his mother's daughter-in-law.) At brunch hours later, she then asks Harris, "You're a blood relative [to Ryan]. How do we broach that subject with Ryan?" Harris says that Ryan blew his chance, but will always be family. They both have mutually disowned each other. True to the Big Ed Sex Tourist School of Seduction, Stephanie declares that Harris treats her like "a queen," and that he's not derogatory like Ryan (with no irony). Natalie tells her mother that she can't come to the wedding, as if all the parents were otherwise going to attend a gala before the lockdown. The wedding was never planned. By the time she speaks to her mother, the wedding is the bare minimum. Nothing - except the full Uncle Beau experience - would be lost on a video conference call. Natalie cries to her mother and says, "Its so hard for me in these woods. I feel bad here." She should believe the trees and (Magic Big) Mike's BBQ décor that reads, "Notice: Price subject to change according to customer's attitude." Zied plans to return to the franchise - or at least a trip home - when he suggests a big wedding in Tunisia.
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Mariah pushed Meri to accept Robyn's surrogacy offer, accusing Meri of depriving their (Kody, Meri & Mariah's) family otherwise. In -engagement couch interview, Mariah and Audrey said that they wanted two children, because Mariah was an only child. There was no follow-up question or answer on all the bonus siblings. I lean toward a theory I read here: Robyn was pushing Meri to have a child for Robyn's desire to have her own sister-wife experience of raising children together and living in one big house. Meri was considering Robyn's surrogacy. On their couch interview, Janelle, Christine and Robyn were discussing IVF. That discussion, with Kody's decision of no, suggested that he knew that Robyn was already pregnant. He told Meri that he'd welcome the child if she conceived naturally, but his gut decision was no. Throughout the series, he continues to threaten the sister wives with his desire & ability to have more children to keep the wives in competition or off-base. He did so at the Dargers most recently.
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Angela & Michael: Totin' Eggs in Powder Kegs
Grifter Lives replied to Drogo's topic in The Couples (Spoilers)
I think her abusive loudmouth-ness still overtakes any exterior transformation, Also, the article quotes her: "I felt like I would have died without the weight-loss surgery." She makes no mention of the cartons of cigarettes she toted and smoked. -
In the couch interview, when Mariah & Audrey talked about moving back to Utah and starting a family in last week's episode, Mariah leaned forward, tilted toward Audrey and extended her hand to nearly a stop sign over Audrey. Then, Mariah said, "Don't worry! We're going to get married first." She emphasized marriage before children when they got engaged or on the sister wives' visit to Chicago, too. So, as iconoclastic as Mariah believes herself to be, she consistently emphasizes and envisions a traditional, nuclear family with Audrey. Maybe, just maybe, that's her radical reaction to Kody and the Brown Family Chaos (TM), and a typical refusal to validate Meri's beliefs. But, it's not even radical, since her siblings took the same escape.
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Natalie is in a predicament similar to Zied's. She cannot have an Orthodox wedding during Lent, Easter or Bright Week. She arrived in mid-January, so most of her visa period was within those time periods. Moreover, Natalie would not have been able to marry Mike in an Orthodox church, since he is an atheist who believes in aliens. Natalie herself would not be able to remarry in the Orthodox Church if she did not get an ecclesiastical divorce in addition to a civil divorce. Despite her IQ of 110, she did not strategize effectively. She should have prioritized the civil ceremony first and foremost. (And it would have destroyed Mike's powerplay of withholding the ring.) In earlier episodes, when she first arrived in Sequim, there was an icon on top of Mike's refrigerator. But, in the last few episodes, that icon has been replaced by a cage.
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When they first got engaged, they had already decided that Audrey would carry the child. Audrey even said something like her body was built for it or her hips were ready. Mariah had no desire to be pregnant or give birth. (In an earlier conversation with Robyn, Meri was concerned that she'd never have "grandbabies," and Robyn had to dispel the notion.) It better not be the basis of Season 84 - Sludge & Pudge, Fertile on Prairie Dog Plague Flats.
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And if they are declaring themselves a writer, they should use proper capitalization, punctuation, spelling, syntax, grammar, logic, and more - out of respect to the reader. at minimum Is Mariah also declaring the full extent of their social justice enlightenment started, ended and is fully contained in that year at Loyola? The mystery continues. . .
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Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore
Grifter Lives replied to Rhondinella's topic in Sister Wives
"We celebrate by adding green food coloring to everything we can think of eating!" This is why they all struggle with weight, digestion, cooking and academics. I hope she meant, "We celebrate by adding green food coloring to everything we eat." -
That coffee looks disgusting. Even with creamers, it's watery.
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Mike and Natalie: Low Interest Couple, High Interest Rates
Grifter Lives replied to Drogo's topic in The Couples (Spoilers)
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Mike and Natalie: Low Interest Couple, High Interest Rates
Grifter Lives replied to Drogo's topic in The Couples (Spoilers)
The picture in the earlier post is Natalie's wedding to Husband No. 1 Zenon Pierides, a Cypriot. She was with him for less than two years and moved back from Cyprus to Ukraine after he filed for bankruptcy. The wedding photos in S8E14 are from her 2nd husband, a Ukrainian. She said that his work required him to travel a lot and he had been in the army. She was with him for 8 years. Both she and Mike had been divorced from others for 2 years when they met. So, although Natalie said her first wedding was big and expensive, TLC has only shown are blurred photos of her 2nd husband. Let's see if Mike wears a powder-blue tie (or suit, like Tarek) for Natalie's third wedding. -
Mike and Natalie: Low Interest Couple, High Interest Rates
Grifter Lives replied to Drogo's topic in The Couples (Spoilers)
I assumed that this is her 2nd husband whom TLC pretends doesn't exist. On her first season, Natalie took Mike to meet on on her friends in Kiev. The friend declared Mike the opposite of her ex-husband, who was a successful, wealthy Ukrainian businessman, and wonders how cosmopolitan Natalie could be happy with Mike. When I re-watch the last episode, I will look if the wedding dress is the same. I thought the one on the show may have been long-sleeved. -
So imagine their actually living in the trees in Prairie Dog Plague Pond Flats. The oversized Plyg Palace would be impossible. Even their individual homes would be unsupportable, since we now know or can imagine too much about their bathroom habits.
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Should this be moved to the Mariah thread? Mariah said that she'll finish the semester and then transfer her "social work degree" to "the U." Before Sunday's episode, they were planning to move to Utah "this summer." Loyola says that a student can earn both degrees in as little as 3 years full-time. From the sample curriculum, it looks like the majority of the first year courses were toward the MA in Social Justice from Loyola's Institute of Pastoral Studies. At the end of the 2nd year, though, the curriculum does not show the completion of the MA, so it suggests that a student completes both graduate degrees at the end of the 3rd year, rather than sequentially. I would have expected Mariah or Meri to brag if Mariah had completed the MASJ , but nobody reported anything. After looking at the sample curriculum, I agree with others that Mariah did not return or make it to Year 2 of the joint degree program. The sample curriculum aligns with Mariah's social media rants for the first year and first summer of the program. Year 2 appears more boots-on-the-ground social work topics, and Mariah went radio-silent. If it weren't already obvious that I haven't studied social work myself, I'll prove it with my harsh judgment and intolerance for these grifters: Mariah wasted a year of time and tuition and abandoned the more specialized degree that seemed to be her primary pursuit. She will take longer to earn an MSW from a possibly less prestigious program, if she actually pursues it. I'm not sure that Mariah became educated in the abstract or through experience. Meri was the one who lamented that she herself was not so fortunate to have those opportunities. Mariah was unappreciative beyond an expected immaturity.
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I may post this in general show discussion, too, because the Plyg Palace on Prairie Dog Plague Flats will hang over all future seasons, either as a non-plot, Kody's justification to exile Christine, or the basis of Christine's hollow protests. And, Janelle's tears about quarantining away from Kody in the Polygamists in a Pandemic episode may be a flashback in every episode this season. Christine's sentence to literal "Basement Wife" was for about 6 years. For the majority of their sister-wifehood, Meri, Janelle and Christine have lived in their own homes. Las Vegas was not the first time they lived apart, and it's nothing new in Flagstaff. Janelle left the fambly after she had Gabe in 2001, due to some colossal blowout between her and Meri. She moved back to her mother's and stayed away for two years. Then, Kody proposed that they all move to Utah, where he had found a new job and a huge house built for a polygamous family. Janelle stayed behind in her own house for another year before she finally moved in with the entire family. Savannah was born in December 2004. Christine spiritually married Kody in 1994. Until they moved to Utah, Christine also lived in her separate house. Janelle bought the Lehi house in 2006. They show debuted in 2010, and they fled to Las Vegas in 2011. They could have lived in another polygamous house between 2004 and 2006, or they could have rented the Lehi house before Janelle bought it. But, at best, they lived in the same house as one family in spurts. Moreover, after Meri was catfished in 2015 or 2016, she probably sealed the title Basement Wife for time and eternity.
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That was her self-description on her social media accounts as of August 2020 or so.
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He promised the audience his talk on the birds & the bees later, but I suspect that they've already heard or learned. His audience was the married adult couple of Aspyn & Mitch, declared raging bisexual Gwendlyn (Age 17), 16-year old Ysabel and 10-year old Truely. ("It's my choice. This is my body.") If not, they can refer to Mykelti's high school years for Kody's lessons on biology and hormones. Also, Kody got cranky when Christine suggested that he rotate between homes, showering and washing clothes at each as soon as he arrived. He nearly appropriated Truely's line and age, when he complained, "You guys are talking about my body. I feel like I'm being passed around like a rag doll now." Thirty years on, and Christine and Kody's plumbing issues just continue to clog their marriage.