Galloway Cave

I believe the law was put in place back when Utah was trying to make polygamy illegal. They didn't think past their narrow, boxed-in religious view point of a man-married-to-a-woman world at that time. Now, of course, the law would apply to unmarried monogamous couples, gays, etc. This is why the Utah Attorney General came out with The Primer and stated in writing that the State would not prosecute on the co-habitation law alone, but WOULD prosecute for welfare fraud, child abuse and domestic violence. The Browns' attorney is also an attorney for the alternative lifestyle community (my sister is the co-founder of the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom and has often worked with him). This case was just another chance for him to win for alternative lifestyles and not just for the pligs. That is why he took it on for free.

I think they wanted to be paid for the pain and suffering of having been driven from Utah, the loss of employment and general greedy money grubbing. All they were awarded was attorney fees.

Well, their attorney DID say they are now free to return back to Utah (like they couldn't do that before). I'm sure the other 38,000 polygamous folks in Utah are glad they didn't choose to flee the state to avoid persecution. Saved them a bunch in moving costs.

On my mom's dad's side of the family, the family name is spelled with an "o" going back to when they immigrated from Scotland. However, my great-grandfather changed his last name spelling from using an "o" to using an "a" in the late 1880s. He was the only person (of 12 kids) to change his last name spelling. We are full-blooded Scot on that side of the family. I was contacted by someone on Ancestry who claims to be descended from one of the "o" ancestors, only the name he gave was spelled with the "a", and that ancestor was Native American. I keep telling this person the name is wrong and we have no NA in our family so he probably isn't related but he insists he is correct, based solely on misspelled census records and inaccurate death certificates on Ancestry. I even told him we still own the family cemetery and the headstones all have the original family name spelling on them but he won't budge. He has even gone on Ancestry and added notes to the records, changing the name spellings on census records from the correct name to the incorrect name. I have to add a second note correcting his notes. It's to the point I don't even want to look at those records anymore, I get so pissed off. To add to what Driad said above, death certificates and other official documents were often filled out by clerks and mistakes were made when someone was verbally giving information to the clerk.

Well, Heidi DID tell Amanda she wanted the dress she made in the last challenge. I guess Sean decided to give her one just like it. Can't wait to see how they handle this one during judging.

I think it was too circumstantial back in the day to go to trial with what they had, plus I doubt the investigators had really walked through all the details like Kelly, Yolanda and New Cop did (holding the head underwater, the explanation of the switched cord on the radio, the dragged hair). Unfortunately, it also took the death of the second wife to confirm a pattern with this guy. I think they have a good chance of convicting him and he will never get out of prison again. Here's hoping that the next season is longer!

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/15/leave_guy_fieri_alone_why_he_has_nothing_to_do_with_the_food_networks_decline/ This is a rebuttal article to the one published a few days ago, claiming Guy Feeeidi is the reason the Food Network is declining. While defending Guy, the author also takes time to slam The Food Network AND Lenny: "The network is being irresponsibly careless with what’s left of its cultural momentum. Days after it crowned Lenny McNab the winner of this year’s “Food Network Star,” it was revealed that he is a foul-fingered Web commenter who, amongst a cavalcade of inane racist, sexist and homophobic postings and videos once wrote of The Pioneer Woman, Ree Drummond, a rare bright spot in the network’s recent history, that “I’d f**** her…IN THE ASS!!!!! that’s right…I said it!!!” "

The theme of the season is Gunshots in Bed at Night. First Cynthia Nixon's ancestor shot her abusive husband in bed, then Jesse Tyler Ferguson's grandfather shot his aunt while they were sleeping in the same bed, now Valerie's gg-grandmother's story. Makes you wonder what's in store for us with the rest of the stories! You can try and hide age on a person's face with Botox and face lifts and whatnot, but the hands always give the age away. Unfortunately mine say I'm about 95 (Scottish/German; work outdoors).

No need to apologize! It's just when you get some of us (uh, me) talking about genealogy, we can go on and on and on......

@Shannon L. take a look at the thread in this forum "Chasing Leaves: Genealogy Talk" for discussion on ancestry searches. Ancestry.com is a good place to start, as well as FamilySearch.org. Rather than cluttering up the episode thread with search-related discussion, your questions can be answered at the other thread. Ask away over there! I few of us here have done a bit of ancestry work.

That was really interesting how within an generation or two, descendants of a French servant became banking titans in Italy and beyond! I'm glad they are showing the shows from the early season since I missed them during the original broadcast.

AKA minusing out.

They never said but it sounded like the neighbor would have noticed a door open for several days. The other timeline thing that bothered me was her son Ryan. The neighbor said she saw Alma going into the house with Ryan on the 15th but there was no mention (that I can remember) of him after that. Was he in the house when his mom was murdered? If she was killed on the 15th or day of the 16th, would a young child have sat there for that long alone and quiet? If he was in the house, that also points to time of murder sometime during the night of the 16th. The give-away on the ex-husband was when he filed for custody of the son and he listed the date of her death as December 16th, when no one knew the actual date of death.

Again, makes you wonder why they weren't able to make the case when it originally happened. It didn't come down to DNA, it really came down to motive and weapon. I guess the best thing that happened with the passing of time was there were more witnesses that were willing to talk (exs of the ex-husband, like the ex-brother-in-law and ex-girlfriend). I'm really glad the series has been renewed for a third season. Kelly and Yolanda are really able to make a difference in these small towns. I liked that the one detective was using this opportunity to learn how to investigate a cold case and Kelly and Al were so enthusiastic to teach him. The egos are being kept on the back burner and they truly are doing great police work.

@Intuition, I would have hired you as an investigator in an instant back when I was still in law enforcement....

I was just remembering what it looked like from the radar map as well as when they lit it up with the lights. It looked like the dock was parallel to a rock wall/jetty that was more straight up and down, rather than just a pile of rocks. Casey said they would have been blown from the dock straight across to the rocks, so hopefully a boat would have been able to maneuver between the boat and dock (and been held there by the wind) during a rescue operation. It just seemed like the crew member's complaint didn't outweigh the danger they were already in; they were blowing lines left and right and just sitting there watching it happen wasn't going to stop it. Since they were in port, there are tug boats and other rescue boats available. Maybe in the heat of the moment, no one was thinking the options all the way through clearly, crew member included. But you are right about the guys on the dock, they were the ones moving around in 100 MPH winds. I'm surprised no one was blown off the dock. Maybe hanging onto those ginormous lines was a life-saver for them!

I actually paused the show to look at that. It said "I love you :) Val" on it. Can you imagine being Jess, sitting there in the captain's chair and being asked by that asswipe to wrap her legs around him and having to stare at that little piece of tape while doing so? That guy is all kinds of messed up. And I didn't feel one bit sorry for her when she was whining about her college degree going to waste while cooking and cleaning on a boat. You chose to go to sea with that piece of shit, suck it up. That was a very tense segment on moving the CM in 100 MPH winds. Seeing those lines snap like that was horrifying. I don't know what the one crew member was being a baby about; if the CM had come loose, it would have grounded on the rocks of a jetty but they were in port, not out at sea. The boat would have been damaged but the crew would have been in an area that they could have been easily rescued. Casey was correct in trying to move the boat to a safer area and he had the skills, crew (plus Scotty) and tugboat to do it. Pee-pee Baby Crew Member should be glad Casey had a come-to-Jeezus talk with him rather than firing his ass on the spot for insubordination. So now we know that Junior DID have a relief captain that didn't work out. He said something about how he "went into the hole", whatever that means. Glad he is going to find someone new (I smell a storyline for next season....).

It's true about actually seeing some of the food prep techniques in action, rather than just seeing a picture of it. But I'd rather watch a REAL chef cut food instead of some of these Talking Heads with Grandma Stories who barely know how to hold a knife. It's hard to find them on a show now. I tend to haunt the Cooking Channel a bit more for real information and watch the Food Network for the trainwrecks (see: Lenny). Take a look online at the website and you may be able to get a screaming deal on a two-year subscription. I think that is how I got started with the magazine.

@JTMacc99, it's one of the few magazine subscribe to. I'll write down the list of recipes I like, then go to the Foodnetwork.com website and save the recipes to my computer. The mag also has a ton of great cooking tips and the best part is I don't have to listen to the insipid hosts on the shows to get those tips! I've also visited a couple of the restaurants they have featured. Since I pass it on to my mom and sister after I read it, it is worth the $14 a year rate.

I think ALL of our ancestors would roll over in their graves at the thought of all their secrets getting unearthed in this day and age of genealogy and the internet. Way back when, no one was really interested in where they came from or who their ancestors were, names and dates, or even true family connections. Information in family Bibles was the closest thing to genealogy data and as you said, kind of served a purpose for family dialog. Then along came the Mormon libraries and Roots and things kind of exploded. Now, everything is laid bare. For example, I found my long-lost deceased grandmother and I'm finding out about her numerous husbands/significant others, including her last husband. The thing is, he only knew about two other husbands and didn't know my father existed. Hello, instant family! Maybe JTF just wanted a good meal in the Chicago area ;)

I think the show is showing the viewer and the show's subject the best of both worlds- the online searches as well as holding the original books and documents in their hands. I know I'm the kind of person who loves to see the old books, smell the old smells and see the old handwriting. Plus who wouldn't want one of those really cool flow charts they create? I remember Robert Downey Junior getting all excited about his massive genealogy chart one of these shows made for him and calling off-camera for his wife to get the framer on the phone pronto!

Since Robyn has never had to live in a polygamous marriage with ANY women, it WOULD be amazing to see her in the Lehi house with the others. She might change her tune about how wonderful polygamy is and how blessed she is to be in that particular family. Kody would not be able to hide out at Robyn's section (house) like he allegedly does now, they would have to find one big wall to display all those stupid inspirational plaques and Meri will have to go back to the old white fold-out table until she has a wetbar special-built (on Christine's Home Depot card).

I have a Cordelia and several Magdalenas too. Beautiful names. Alvilda, Polann, Whyneath Celia and Mary Pretty Molly are some of the unusual female names I came across in my tree.

My cool family names: Zaccur Prall, Valentine, Easter, Lyddall, Colson and Moulton. So far no axe murderers or anyone else famous. Just a bunch of Scottish farmers on three sides and German wild-catters on the fourth. I did find out that the wild-catters were somehow involved in the Teapot Dome Scandal in Wyoming. They also had a propensity for marrying often and having many significant others on the side. My great-grandfather was in the Army in both WWI and WWII, and served as a sniper in France in the first war. It's the German side I just recently found out about and the stories are wonderful.

I just went back to the episode thread and Kody said they made $45,000 the first year and $180,000 the second year. But last season, when they were sitting around the kitchen table at one of the rental houses, Robyn talked about only clearing $500 the first year (after "minusing out" all the costs). So I don't know where Kody was getting his numbers and what they really represent.