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I'm about ready to call bullshit on this entire project, and I've only finished 5 episodes. In the fifth one, Donny goes on about how panicked and nervous he was not hearing anything from Martha ... then gets a call from his mom on a Sunday night and ... doesn't answer. Now, someone with half a brain might imagine that silence from Martha might translate into her going after others. I mean, he just described himself as panicked, right? Not panicked enough to answer the phone. Just like he isn't motivated enough to write a timeline for the police. Or smart enough to change his dad's cell number. I mean, Martha was the one at fault, but Donny had no brain. And then he goes to meet her. Really, at any point she could tell police that HE was harassing HER. he leaves himself open for it. OMG. Even as I type this I am watching ep 6, that is exactly what is happening. What an idiot. So if you are an idiot, why should I care what then happens to you?

I don’t understand. You mean viewers? Even if the HH have already chosen one of the houses, it might also be true that a different house would have been better. What locations do you always skip over? We skip past Chicago, all of California and NY/NJ. Those places are usually super expensive and not very interesting. We like watching shows about places we have never been, even small towns. And yeah, the 30-somethings buying 750k houses that are their forever homes because they have “worked so hard” are a hoot. They have no clue.

Mostly to avoid a lawsuit. I mean, of course he would say the TV character is so different as to be unrecognizable, even if it is exactly like the real person. I know nothing about the real life story. I am 3 eps in and find myself frustrated by Donny, who seems to make poor choices at every turn - not only with Martha, but with the woman he dated and even his ex. If you make enough poor choices, things go wrong. Not sure what the point of BR is. It's not a study in psychology. It's not a story of a powerless victim. It's just a story that I can't imagine going anywhere except jail or death. ADD: Watched a bit more. Donny is supposed to be 30 years younger than Darrien? I thought they were almost the same age!

The moment Hartis said in the kitchen she was having trouble finishing hamburgers I knew it would end at ADHD. This family always has an excuse. They *were* funnier in cowboy hats.

Agree, or at least a closure of that series angle before opening a different one. It's time, IMO. I only watch a show or two every 18-24 months but have tuned in more this season because it felt like we might be near the end. And as I've posted, it is amazing how many plot angles are just repeats of repeats from prior years. Not a lot new to say, and everyone has moved on.

Dang it, this is what happens when the actor playing Hank played Agent Cooper in Twin Peaks! Yes, Hank in Fallout, thank you for catching that.

OK, this made me laugh. Thank you. Me, too. Though my expectations were low. Now we just need some narrative development beyond, "Hey look, it's like the game!" Given I have tried to watch Rebel Moon 3 times and have made it 15 minutes into Part 1 and was alternately bored and eye rolling, Fallout *has* to be better. I was shocked to see a Rebel Moon Part 2 dropped. Yes, and that's a key point. Despite the horrors of the Great War, and all the knowledge he had of it, Coop went ahead and nuked another city to protect V-T. So he is a True Believer, not a victim or bystander.

And yet somehow a number of them survived for a long time after the bombs fell, which makes me wonder how (beyond the cryo beds). You could well be right. The show is pretty and has some moments of humor or narrative clarity, but it isn't consistent and has no direction so far except getting characters from point A to B. I have found that many viewers today are fine with that, and some honestly don't understand when you try to explain narrative direction and themes. I see this a lot in sci fi, where characters act in inconsistent ways ("but it's funny!") or there is no consistent internal logic ("what do you mean?"). This is the only character where I see the beginnings of meaningful development, going from disillusioned and bitter to caring about something. Maybe. Lucy is going the other way, but that's less character development than simple survival. I view those morons as analogous to corporate life. You get people at the top who don't deserve to be there but who are ambitious and think they got there on their own (instead of being someone else's cannon fodder pawns). Everyone else suffers for it, but to the person truly at the top, that doesn't matter.

[Two years later ...] I thought I heard Konstantin say something to the effect of Kenny was about to be framed for treason and Konstantin offered him a way out that involved joining the bad guys, and Kenny chose to leap off the roof rather than pick either option. If that's true, that would be a nice fit with the world Caroline inhabits and allowed her son to join. Yes, it was. It smelled like a writer trying to be clever and different. Not only that, but the more we learned about the 12, the less scary they were. A bunch of failed 70s radicals? Were doing what, exactly, by assassinating various people? I read reviews of the final season after watching it. What the showrunner thought was depicted was laughable. There was nothing, nothing at all, that positioned Eve as ready to "reclaim her life" before the boat scene. She was still following V, she was still using violence, she was still lying and faking her way through life (as a minister at a wedding?). I'm not sure what Eve reclaimed. What I heard was a scream of frustration. Or maybe that was just me. I would have preferred that.

Those bastards!

They will replace the 12 with another, and another? Isn’t he a founding member? How would Caroline know what would happen?

I didn’t know that was supposed to be Konstantine until he laughed. I guessed young Caroline right off. The 12 is becoming less impressive by the episode. And Eve is like a pretend assassin. The charm has worn off.

South Park is wonderful when it is at its best. And surprisingly insightful. The show is slowly rounding into form, now that Clown Jesus is dead.

Been binging all seasons. This ep was weird. Different tone, characters acting different. Really don’t like imaginary Jesus, not because religion but it’s just silly.

I was so confused by this. I kept thinking it had to be someone else’s phone.

Coming in years later… as I start season 3, what you describe seems to be the point of the show. We’re mostly waiting to seen if Eve breaks bad.

Given what's currently going on IRL in terms of conflict, it's hard to fault the show's perspective about war and humanity's long-term future. If I understand this ep correctly, the baddie corporations provoked a global war so that its vaults and vault experiments would be the only side to survive ... eventually. That's a colossal, horrible solution. And I'm not sure I understand it. if corporations are constructed to make money, how would they make money by destroying the world and then turning lose a relative handful of survivors? Corporations aren't about winning. They are about profit. There were scientists, sure, and part of the deal was mankind could perfect progress over long periods of time, but scientists don't run corporations. It feels like we are missing a piece, maybe a military with the philosophy that all other factions should die, who takes over a corporate vault project. Or causes it to move forward unexpectedly. Maximus is the dumbest character on the show. Frontally attacking someone in the knight armor, which you know inside and out? Maybe pull the fusion core? Pretty much all of his decisions in the show were poor ones, though he showed an ethical side. Still, he seems way older than a squire should be. Overall, I enjoyed the show even as it was continuously depressing. The production values were excellent. And the overarching message was starting to come together, though not quite there. Anyone know how the show is doing in terms of viewers? Not a lot of comments here, yet.

I wasn’t laughing the moment every skit started, like Gosling, so I found the constant breaking annoying after 2-3 skits. It was warranted in Beavis & Butt-Head, especially if the make up was a surprise. So that was Chris Stapleton? I thought it was Luke Combs. How many country clones are there? I skipped the music, because country. I almost skipped the “Get the Boy Back” film because country, but watched long enough to see the clever shoes-too-small line and was intrigued. It was actually pretty amusing but I wish they had used a different musical genre that was more verbally legible. It was definitely redneck night, with that, George and the divorced woman skit, Jane Ann and the aliens and the music. Caitlyn Clark did well. I don’t understand the humor of the guys speaking in exaggerated Latino accents, listing things that loosely go together. They have done that skit several times and it goes on and on.

Anyone here watching the show with no knowledge of the game(s)? Wondering whether the show appeals to those who aren’t enjoying the game(s) come to life. The show is certainly disturbing. I do wish we had more prewar scenes, to better understand society before “fallout.” It probably was just as bad, in less obvious ways. Lucy is very capable. Other vault people seem much less so. Was being capable her official role? Or is she Gomer Pyle-ing her way to success?

Wow, only 2 comments? This show is better than that. Yeah, agree that Coop being the inspiration for the logo was a nice connection. This show is beginning to resemble my issue with the game… it’s just depressing. Not as funny as Borderlands.

I thought the music was intrusive in ep 1, and it continues to be. Goggins is great in anything, and continues to be awesome here. So fun to see a little SOA and East Bound and Down and then Lost with the other guy. Does Lucy have a lip piercing or an injury? It’s distracting. I played Fallout years ago and all I remember is that it was so depressing I quit playing after a while. And swamps. Lots of swamps.

I only watch this show about every 18 months, but I saw that ep and thought, "Is this a repeat? Haven't we seen both of those things before?" I don't think it is character-specific. The show has been on a while, and we have seen about all the permutations we can see from this group of people.

Well, it was better than a political skit. The problem was they chose a topic whose point was no one cared about that topic, so it seemed meaningless both in meta and IRL. A younger person in our house pointed out that Raye had performed a different arrangement on SNL of her songs, and played for us the original. This made me doubly impressed with Raye, because the originals sounded like another Cardi B/Rihanna clone and the SNL performances were much more unique and gorgeous.

That was bad. Back to Michael being the snowflake hero with all the answers … except having a ship tracker on her when she needed it. Kind of used to this, but for a brief bit back in the Pike season it disappeared, and that season was so good. And Book is back. Meh. Lots of childish action scenes and space chases. Guess it became a kids’ show. Mrs. Ottis said it is now like Star Wars. That split screen was embarrassing. This is like watching Dune andPaul and the Baron have a pod race in the desert. Tonally very off for Star Trek and as embarrassing as the Chris Pine movie space cycle thing.. And with all that, still mostly boring. "Get the McGuffin! It matters - trust us!"

May I suggest that going down this path, and all the paths that demand this show adhere to scientific principles, is a waste of energy. I thought the same thing you did as they whisked Saul to a plane (and BTW, why were the security guys ringed around the plane facing inwards, not outwards?) ... and then the show made an effort by depicting military planes escorting the plane Saul was on. Does that fix everything? No. But it recognized the risk and made a token effort to address it, and the story continued. [BTW, did what happened to Rich Guy's plane actually happen, or was it just what the San-Ti wanted him to see?]. It's more fun, and less frustrating, to step back and enjoy the bigger picture. Which is, as I posted after the first or second ep, a sort of Ender's Game. Select people are being tested to see if they are humanity's champions. Are they? Not even they know. But let the tests begin! Then add some Foundation-style, long-term vision. BTW, a key point is that for most of this plot to work, we have to accept that the San-Ti, for whatever reason, are very, very, VERY freaked out by lying, and never do it themselves, hence their clear and obvious actions like trying to take out Saul as soon as he leaves the UN, which we bugs all saw coming as soon as he walked away from the auditorium. Heck yeah! That's the whackiness I'm beginning to enjoy. Jin's boyfriend is breathtakingly cynical. if he truly believes Will's brain is dead, then he must also believe the entire project is a waste of time and resources ... and yet he is part of it. He wants glory. if he thinks this is a waste of time, he wouldn't stick around to be part of failure. I can see why Jin is done with him. As a viewer, of course I want Will to still be Will in space. That's nutso, so yeah, let's see it. Let's see Will on a mechanical San-Ti body. If this is all a feint, bummer. Maybe the San-Ti are indeed closer and will yet find him. I still wonder if the aliens who create the interface are the same San-Ti who are on their way. Could be that card found in the RV should be taken as face value... the "one of us who survives" IS about that San-Ti. OR, it could be that they are fooling the woman and she is actually being sucked into a game by a different alien or perhaps San-Ti faction. And what's with all the news stories on cicadas? Are those bugs going to teach us bugs something? ADD: I wrote that before the final few minutes. Yeah, I guess the message is, bugs can thrive.