Retired at last

I had read that not only do they not move in together, they are done before the honeymoon is over. The production team person makes more sense, so we will have to see. It's weird all the kissing they do, when all they seem to do is talk about serious things. When is there time for romance and kissing? They are a strange couple. If this is true, then they are down to three couples - no wonder they bring Michael back with a new selection.

But, from what we saw in the previews, Lauren said she slept with someone 2 months ago and that totally broke Orion and he said that sex was off the table. Why? Don't they usually get something like 2 weeks notice that they have been picked for the show? Why wouldn't she be living her life if she had no idea that she was going to be married to a stranger? I am not sure how he will explain his reaction - as far as I am concerned, there was no cheating. She didn't even know OF him, much less know him, when she slept with someone.

I am watching right now and I have to say that Clare is horrible. She totally ruins their nice dinner.

I see that many here have already posted what I came here to post. I saw parts of both shows here (in AZ, it doesn't start until 9, so I often fall asleep and wake up later to catch part of the replay. I haven't decided if it is worth recording or not. I think not). I came to the same conclusion - this has been incredibly boring. Yes, some of those conversations would be truly important to have (if these were REAL, UNSCRIPTED couples), but they are not good television to listen to. I was trying to decide if there are any women I like. I am thinking that possibly Becca is OK, but none of the others are even a tiny bit pleasant. Emily just wants to party; Lauren is too flat and focused; Clare is just too impressed with herself. She and Cam cannot even begin to communicate and she is too condescending to Cameron, who MIGHT be fun if he had a clue what she wants. I saw part of the afterparty show and was totally confused - I thought maybe one of the guys did something to his looks, but he reminded me of Clint. Then I heard Rudy Huxtable say Clint. Why was he there???? He's still adorable, but I just didn't get why he was there. I guess I will try to watch this online because it sounds like things happen next week, so I want to catch the foundation. I forgot which one of the women has never been in a relationship, but, it could have been any of them the way they seem to me. I still can't understand why so many of these people were selected for this show and matched with the people they were matched with. The only men I recognize are Orion and Cam. The other two I get mixed up. The one with Becca seems very tolerant, but I wonder how long that will last. Especially if he wants to have children. Emily's husband is going to bail when she keeps drinking him under the table and has no clue about living as a real adult.

So, since Nicole and Eric are still the writer's idea of endgame, and they want to give the people what they want, (or what they want FOR us), once Nicole gets the truth out of Sloan, what do you think will happen? 1. Sloan will try to run off with the baby and have Salem's finest track her down? 2. Sloan will try to run off with the baby and have Salem's finest track her down? 3. Sloan will try to run off with the baby and have Salem's finest track her down?

I also would have thought that Cameron would have helped Clare (or ask if she needed help) with her suitcase. But, it looked like everyone was rolling their own luggage, and she HAD expressed how independent she was. And it seems as if they are both attracted to each other, but neither of them wants to say it first. I am hopeful that once they are on their honeymoon and are more relaxed, communication will get easier. They have already established that she needs to be shown affection with words and he needs to express affection with action, so they are going to have to meet in the middle. Also, considering their height difference, he is going to have to slow down considerably if he wants to walk with her.

Of all the skills Rolf has, they brought him back to pretend kidnap Gabi?????

When I go to dinner or plays alone, I don't consider it a date with myself. I personally would feel weird saying that I took myself on a date. I just say that I went by myself. But, I agree with everything you said about Emily.

Oh, they definitely have had those after-shows recently. They drag the reunion shows on for 2 shows, and then have a Where Are They Now show after that. And they throw in a panel of social media "experts" and maybe some couples from previous seasons to give their expert reactions, when their comments are no different than ours are here. Usually, the big question is, "Are you still together?" and they usually have maybe one couple that says they are and then they announce their split after that. This season, we will have no need for any of that. ETA - Plus, they usually have a mid-season panel, hosted by Kevin Frazier, with the same group of social media and/or previous couples, who give their opinions as to who will make it. It will be interesting to see their choices. I wonder if they already know the results like we do when they film those? Maybe not.

I don't think it matters, and I am glad to have Susan gone, BUT, did we find out who kidnapped her and sent her to England, or is that a story that just ended or will it come back?

I don't think Gabi did it. I think EJ maybe had someone hired to do it and Gabi walked in and found him that way. I don't know if they will decide she is guilty and lock her away or if Stefan will send her away to some private DiMera island or something so she can be safe. And, just checking - is Li really dead or just stabbed? And, if he is really dead, (I know, I know) did we know he was leaving? ETA - I found the answers about Li, so never mind!

I don't understand all these women who refer to "dating themselves," or when they say, "I married myself." It seems like we have someone every season who has not had a real relationship lately and refer to it as dating themselves, as if that is a good thing. I understand doing some work on yourself to figure things out, but it's not dating. All it says to me is that no one asked you out. I think we can all list the roles the shows casts: * the person who has never been in love *the person who has never said "I love you" *the person who hasn't been in a relationship in a LONG time, but is suddenly ready for marriage *the person who wants to be married, but primarily to have a "plus one" to fit into their already existing life and has no plans to make any other changes to accommodate their new spouse *the bride who expects her new husband to completely financially support them *the person who just recently ended a serious relationship and wants to jump into marriage with a stranger I'm sure there are others.

I am pretty sure it started on TLC.

Unfortunately, I think they are hiring exactly the people they want to bring the drama. Back when the show started, it was on another network, and I think they WERE hoping for happy couples. The last several seasons have shown that they are only interested in drama and tears and other things that make reality TV, totally UNreal. (I loved that show until, again, they went too far.) The show producers don't care about the people or actually trying to help them succeed. This is now simply another production-driven and scripted "reality" show. They are no longer looking for people looking for love. They are CASTING actors for specific parts.

Maybe the more that people like us who have watched the show for years are dropping out, they need to do something to attract those people who watch these shows just FOR the drama and screw happy endings? Good job, show.

Of all the people who tried out for this show, why did they select someone with significant health issues and match her with someone? So, Becca has a spinal condition, as well as endometriosis, and they think that makes her a good candidate to marry someone she has never met? Even IF they knew each other, that would require some serious discussions - especially if her husband was hoping to have a family. I know, they can adopt, but HE should be the one to make that call, not some random TV producers. Both of those conditions result in a lot of pain, and it's not so much fun to live with someone in constant pain. Or, is Becca one of the ones who drinks a lot? Or was that Emily? I wonder if there is a question on the application that asks if you would be OK to be matched with someone with serious medical conditions? I remember when Derek was matched with Katie, who had diabetes, and agreed to learn how to give her insulin shots. At that time, he probably thought they would last, but they didn't.

For me, it's not the nipples, but the gigantic breasts falling out of their clothes. Plus, when they are that large, those women will be hit with excruciating back pain later in their lives, which, of course, they can't be bothered to worry about. LOL, when you are 20, nothing worries you.

So, what does this do to the rest of the shows they have? We have no need for a reunion show/s and certainly no need for a Where Are They Now show, since no one cares and no one will be together.

Being under 5' tall, I dated a guy who was 6'6" in n high school and it was miserable. I always felt like I was out with my Dad. You would think that shorter men would be happy to date someone short, but the only guys who asked me out were super tall. And, that made the tall girls mad!

What health issues does pink hair girl have? I didn't see the previous shows. Thanks.

Last night was the first time I watched this season, and managed to stay awake. I don't like any of the women, except maybe Clare. I think she and Cameron are sweet, but I haven't seen enough of her to know. Becca and Emily are both too obnoxious for me. Lauren just seems to be interviewing him and I don't see her as warm. That said, Orion is not at all attractive to me, but he seems like a decent person. I didn't see enough of the other guys to form an opinion, but I am not hopeful for this season. That said, if anyone is interested, the spoilers for this season are on the spoiler thread. I agree with @cinsays that the AfterParty clips are annoying and unnecessary. ETA: I would love it if the show would edit out all of the lazy, unnecessary, and ridiculous "like"s that the women seem to use constantly. (Why don't the men do that?) Doing so would create two benefits - 1) it would make the women sound smarter than they, apparently, are, and 2) we would be able to watch the entire 8 weeks in two or three shows! One more thought - does anyone wear a bra anymore? Between the brides' dresses, the bridesmaids, and the guests, especially the woman sitting next to Orion when he was talking to Lauren's father, I just wonder what kind of mirror they used that they all decided that they looked ready for TV.

OK then. I just watched last night for the first time this season and wasn't excited about any of the couples, except maybe Clare and Cameron. I may still watch, but I didn't think this show could sink any lower than the last couple of seasons. I stand corrected. But, that video was weird. Orion was confronting Lauren about cheating (she couldn't wait 8 weeks??), but his tone and words were so calm and measured that it just sounded empty. And they found a new wife for Michael? Do they get the same 8 weeks or will their timeline be completely different, as far as D-Day goes?

I never thought of that. I just assumed that EJ was calling Li's ex-love of his life before Gabi.

I started reading a recap and didn't get past the first paragraph. What a waste of our time and the show's money to pay random people to come back for one show.

As bad as that was, I don't think that ANYTHING could compare to when they turned Steve/Patch into Stefano with "his essence."