LucidDreamer

Such an incredibly dark and disturbing book. Not sure how they will handle some of it visually. It's also a little bit over-the-top in terms of characters, so I hope they humanize them a bit for the show. (I mean many of them come off as caricatures in the book -- you can tell it's a first book, trying a little too hard to be shocking. Many of the characters seem cliched to me, and/or completely unrealistic).

Was it just me, or did Gabby's homecoming crowd seem a little... small? Especially for a bigger city. I noticed that the edges of the crowd didn't go back very far, and the camera people seemed to compensate for this by keeping everything close -- no wide panning shots like they had for Caleb and Maddie. Of course, it may just be that people in a bigger city don't care about an American Idol finalist coming to town the way folks in small towns do. I just thought it was interesting that the camera work seemed to be designed to disguise the smaller size of the crowd in Gabby's case.

I couldn't help but wonder if the cow was a shout-out to FRINGE. (Among, I'm sure, other things).

I'm thinking more and more that David is the actual "big bad" in the future -- at least in one timeline. (And only the Shadow King can rein him in, perhaps? So that's why they need the Shadow King in the future?) Esp. after "future Syd" said that she liked seeing the past version of David because he was ... Can't remember the exact wording, but it conveyed something like "nice" or "sweet."

That wig... I wonder who it had dirt on to allow it to appear on the show?

I just could not get past the stupid. For one thing -- they are in the far north. It has to be FREEZING. Yet they don't have their hoods pulled up, wear no hats (or gloves most of the time), and just don't act like it is cold at all. I understand that TPTB don't want to hide the actors' faces, but it just doesn't work in that environment. They'd all have frostbite -- and the ones who fell into the water would be suffering a LOT more. It's gotten to the point where you can't suspend your disbelief anymore -- you just have to blast it with a rocket launcher. Also, just not fun anymore. I think I'm out.

I guess Grace can use the money for college. But no way can she headline a Vegas show, even for 3 nights. Wonder who they will have to bring in to fill out the however-many-hours that Vegas gig is supposed to last. Because I really don't think Grace can handle singing more than 3 songs a night without losing her voice. (And if those three songs are all the same...) Planet Hollywood is probably scrambling right now to figure out WTH they are going to do with this 12 yo.

I think Grace has a lot of talent and POTENTIAL, but for me she is not there yet. Nowhere near where an act should be to even have 3 nights in Vegas. Not to mention, one song a night by her is fun -- an entire evening of samey sameness songs and that uke plunking? No thanks. If I were Cirque du Soleil I would be standing backstage with a contract ready for Sophie to sign. Viktor too. Laura Breton also has incredible POTENTIAL, but I work at a performing arts university and she needs professional opera training. Like, now. Otherwise that incredible voice is going to be totally ruined by the time she's actually ready to perform opera.

What did I watch??? Awful, terrible, storytelling topped off with questionable character motivation and some very bad acting. (Cringing at you, Henry). I laughed out loud at the "We do believe in fairies (uhm, magic)" speech at the fountain. Embarrassing hardly covers it. Other crazy stuff (some not yet mentioned in the thread): The New York Public Library (stand-in, but supposed to be that) allowing two random teens in a rare book room unsupervised. Because that would happen, NEVER!! (Not even at your local library would they be allowed to do this, especially not carrying in book bags or whatever). The Unholy grail -- What?! Is this the goblet Judas drank from before the betrayal, because I know a little bit of the Grail story and I don't recall that little tidbit. The use of Jekyll and Hyde -- not a fairy tale, not a folk tale, not even a classic story (like Peter Pan) with fairy tale or folk tale trappings. A serious book for adults (despite the horror aspects, it really is a deep psychological tale) is reduced and its entire message subverted because... Someone wanted to bring back the Evil Queen, but still have a "good" Regina? (P.S. WTH does Disney have to do with Jeckyll & Hyde? Is there a movie in the works or something?) No one seems particularly concerned about their babies -- who is taking care of Snowflake? (I guess Granny is stuck with the other one). Henry... Just everything. Just send the kid to boarding school, please. Regina making sense -- UNTIL she said she was CURSED. No, lady, you did stuff. No one forced you. No one cursed you. Own up and move on. That awful Connecticut Yankee name drop. I get it, writers/producers -- you think we are so stupid we have to have it all spelled out for us. The sets for the "Town of Misfit Stories" were cringe worthy. Like, cheap homemade video bad. I pretty much watched this season bored out of my mind (other people in my house wanted to see it, so...) Next year, I may just skip it and read the comments on here instead. They make more sense and are much more entertaining.

The really painful thing is that this was one of the few -- VERY FEW -- m/f relationships on TV where there was a believable slow burn to love. Abby and Crane became partners and close friends, and it was totally believable. Then one started to see the obvious attraction growing, in a way that totally put most "instalove" (or "instalust") relationships on TV to shame. So, finally, fans are waiting for the pay off -- the well-earned, totally believable coming together of two people who BELONGED TOGETHER on every level. And THIS happens? I would've been happier if one of two things happened -- Abby and Crane declared their love and had a romantic liasion (not matter how brief), then Abby dies a hero to save the world (better presented than this crap did, though). Crane could then truly mourn his love and if there was another season, be focused on fighting evil rather than another relationship so soon. OR... Both of them died, protecting each other, and moved on into the light together. The two witnesses, never parted again. End of series? Yes. But a fitting one.

I just have to say that I hate, with the fire of a thousand suns, what the showrunners and writers on OUAT have done to my favorite Disney character. This incarnation bears no resemblance whatsoever to the original versions of the story, the Disney film, or even other film versions. Not that characters can't be "changed up" in new versions of stories (and I know OUAT is rather a "fractured" fairy tale version) but... the basic essence of the character is missing. The reason I like Belle in an of the other versions is that she is brave and selfless and not a stupid person who requires a prince to save her. Her own actions are what "save" her (and the Beast). She is an admirable person without being a complete goody-goody. This version? Pffftt! Goes from bad to worse with each appearance. I refuse to associate this character with its source material. It's just someone else called Belle to me.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Oh, was this show on? I really checked out half-way through. I mean, I watched the entire thing, but why? Used to love this show, but it continues its descent into ... the Underworld. Also, I HATE what the show has done to the Belle character. My favorite Disney character trampled, re-imagined (in an awful way), and reduced to the worst sort of stupid. Ugh. I've never liked the presentation of Belle on this show -- and what IS it about everyone having to be royal? Belle in the story and orig. Disney film were definitely NOT -- but now it has really gone too far. This is NOT Belle. Nope. Not even close.

Horrible finale. Just the worst. Of all the story choices, they chose THIS? And yes, they could have killed off Abby if necessary due to the actress choosing (?) to leave, but to have it set up where her Witness "essence" would be transferred to someone else? WTF? That is so disrespectful to the character, who should have remained unique, a "one and only" woman. Have her die saving the world, then Crane could mourn her properly -- don't introduce another woman with any love interest aspects for a while... That MIGHT have worked. (Maybe). But this level of stupid? Nope. Don't care if there is a season four. I will NOT be watching it (even though I like TM, the show has destroyed itself and he should just move on to other projects).

What made me go "whaaaaat?" was when the new king's lover -- and fiancé? -- got run through with the sword and kingly dude has NO REACTION. Not even later, when he was mourning Amberle & his demonized brother. Nothing. Nada. Now that's cold, show.

My guess is that the President's daughter is Drill. She could've burned her own arm in the scuffle. Or to divert attention from herself. Drill has always wanted to get to the President and/or the White House for some reason. There was some indications of that earlier in the series (a picture one of the kids drew? Sorry, not holding the info. about this show in my head too long). I do remember some connection between Drill and the President, though. Seems as if Drill wanted to kill the Prez (?)

THIS, made me scream at my television. Writers -- couldn't you have given that line to another character who is, oh I don't know, NOT a brilliant scientist. (I get that this isn't her specialty but I know what a singularity is in relation to a black hole and I am certainly no scientist). Also, putting it the female scientist's mouth? Ugh. Actually, I see no reason to have to have that dialogue exchange anyway. It assumes the audience is stupid -- I mean, who do they think is watching this show? Most of us watching are going to be scifi fans and/or have seen a Star Trek episode or film (or two, or three, or...) It's not such an unusual term in the spec. fic. world that it needs to be explained via clunky dialogue. Liked the finale otherwise, but this made me want to go back in time to erase that line.

Forget jumping the shark, this show has jumped the shark, a killer whale, a giant squid, and the original Ursula at this point. Retconned within an inch of its life, and teetering on the brink of incomprehensibility -- and beyond that, committing the unforgiveable sin of being BORING. Time to record this and maybe watch it with my finger on the fast forward button.

When I saw the unicorn mobile, all I could think was -- hanging a bunch of glass objects with sharp, pointy edges over an infant's crib... Yeah, that makes sense. But it fits in with the nonsensical nature of everything else, so at least it's consistent. The whole concept of the "Author" is flawed. As an author myself, I find the idea of an "author" just recording events (rather than creating anything) very silly.By definition, an author will alter events to create a story. I doubt Walt Disney would want to think of himself as someone who just recorded things that happened via his films and other works, rather than a creative individual. Dumb concept all around. Should be "The Chronicler" instead. Yeah, it's nitpicky, but it shows how little thought goes into the storylines/concepts on this show.

So... Goines was about to walk away from the Precursor until COLE mentioned a virus... Time travel, always a mistake.

YAWN. That about sums up my impression of this episode. This show has always had a few issues, but it wasn't boring. Until recently, when that is pretty much all it is.

From your lips to a producer's ears! That would be awesome, and they're the only two actors I can imagine doing such a thing.

One year later... But that was NOT a one-year-old baby. More like 6 months. 9 months tops. Oh well, a fitting end to this mess of a show.

Is it just me or did we get the storyboard version of this episode instead of the completed one? Everything felt rushed and underdeveloped, especially the FROZEN group's farewell -- wasn't a super fan of them, but that scene was really poorly done. Bye, bye, get outta here, no -- wait, Anna must deliver the deus ex machina info. about Rumple before she disappears. Surprised they showed Anna in her wedding dress -- thought they'd save that for the inevitable FROZEN rehash, uhm, sequel. The Belle and Rumple scene was good. Finally some redemption for my favorite gal from the Disney animated films. WTH was Emma doing drinking with Regina and jumping into the awful contrivance that is Operation Mongoose? Speaking of that, WTH does that name have to do with the actual "project" to find the author, etc.? I don't think Disney owns Riki-Tiki-Tavi, so they can't even bring in an actual (bad CGI) mongoose. The author writes the book and things happen? Or things change if the book is edited? Wow, really not a fan of this predestination plot point. How about actions determine outcomes? (And the book just records that). Wasn't that the original concept? (Oh wait, I guess someone found the "author" of OUAT and forced them to change everything -- well, that would explain a lot). Where did the hat go? Where did the fairies and other people/beings in it go? What in Mickey's name is going on with that? Will we ever know? Rumple in NYC just happens to find Ursula. Who is in NYC for what reason? Not that I really care, but it does seem odd. I suppose we'll get some flashback to explain this (or... not). Truthfully, I am not that interested in the next part of the season. Nothing presented in this episode intrigued me. Probably will watch just to see if Emma and Hook ever actually have coffee, but that's about it.

Speaking of Ingrid and the castle scenes -- did I miss something? It appeared that Ingrid was running the castle and/or acting like the Queen in those scenes. But Elsa was the real Queen, at least as far as her subjects were concerned. Did Ingrid use magic to control the guards? Or what? Why would the guards lock up Anna on Ingrid's say-so? This may have been addressed during some moment where I dozed off, but it struck me as odd.

Some parts of this episode were pretty good, but I was so distracted by the obvious "mouthpiece of the showrunners/writers" that several characters were turned into to prop up Regina's "road to redemption" I couldn't really enjoy the 2 hours. Seriously, it was like they took all the complaints about Regina and her past evil actions (and current sleeping with a married man whose wife she killed in another time line) and fed lines to various characters to "clear up" the viewers' "confusion." But I don't actually feel confused. I remember what Regina did when she was the evil queen (and in Storybrook during the earlier seasons). Hey, if you want to redeem a character, fine. But don't whitewash everything or try to wipe our memories with a rock troll spell, or have characters like THE WOMAN YOU TRIED TO KILL NUMEROUS TIMES (looking at you, Snow) spout off some nonsense about how it's ok you're doing what you're doing now because you deserve happiness, blah, blah, nonsense-cakes. I mean Darth Vadar redeemed himself, somewhat at least, but no one pretended he was just misunderstood and the victim of circumstances. Regina could certainly fight to redeem herself, and that would be great, but the first step toward true redemption would be to accept and own the evil she's done. And maybe not sleep with the man married to a woman you ordered executed, especially while surrounded by the hearts/bodies of those you've killed and/or manipulated over the years.