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But most of those conversations wouldn't take place during private time, because they are part-and-parcel of the show's MO (other guys are lying, I'm a virgin, throw shade at an ex) and given that you probably can't predict when you'd get private time, then if you have something fairly show-standard to say, you'd want to take advantage of the "public time" that you do get. The mom cheated thing might be a candidate for private time. I don't think any of us are saying that private time is 'easy' to get; but it is definitely do-able, and probably for the contestants as well as the star. Heck, they can't wear their mic packs in the water, right?, so there's a time to talk privately.

I was stunned that when Marcus timed it, it was over 5 minutes. That is an interminable time to wait for one order when you're sitting in a drive-thru, let alone what would happen if there were multiple cars in front of you. I had actually been confused as to what the heck was being peeled off and put back, so I'm glad you explained it! Maybe I'm being naive, but in the earlier days, I thought it genuinely was companies that were struggling and really needed Marcus' help. Now it seems more like Marcus actively seeking companies to fit in his portfolio, and yeah maybe they're struggling and might want his help. I was very confused about the whole split into the second location. They made it sound like it was accomplished in a contractual and legal way. If so, then Dino couldn't have just pulled the rug out from under them as was being portrayed. I can't imagine why Doug and his wife wouldn't have jumped at the chance to start their own pizza business, considering that any semblance of there still being a family is a total illusion, so there isn't anything to protect or risk losing...cause it's already gone and lost.

Yes! I don't think it's because she knows who she wants, because we've seen her doing it with all 4, which would presumably include the one she wants. I def think she is thinking of other things, specifically, how she can turn the conversation back around to herself. But I like Mabinogia's scenario too!

What struck me was the very, very sad-looking set-up where the bride and groom (all of them, I think) went immediately after walking down the aisle, to have their champagne and their awkward get-acquainted chat. It was just one little isolated table, away from anything else, with barely any decorations. The thing I noticed is what all the girls were wearing to bed. All three of them were wearing sporty-looking things, none of which were cute/feminine/flirty for the wedding-night. Mia seems like the kind of person who may be more focused on an idealized concept of a wedding and marriage, rather than the reality. She said something about how the wedding "made a little girl's dream come true" and also something about "waiting for your future prince". This was different from Danielle, who said something about how the wedding was something she "never even dreamed about", which said to me that she was taking the wedding for what it was in reality not in some long-held fantasy. There was also a confusing editing-monkey/Franken-biting quote from Amber, where she said "I want a husband because" and then it was spliced together with "I'm the kind of person that really needs structure". From her clips, she did appear to have a very structured life (not throwing shade, I get it and it works for her), but the quote made it seem like she needs a husband in order to gain needed structure. One thing I did not like, which I don't remember noticing as obviously before, was how when the vows were being said, they did a lot of fairly rapid intercutting between the groom saying one word or a few words, and then intercutting to the bride saying her version of the same things. It didn't allow for any continuity of expression or getting a sense of the moment.

He had a few other odd comments. One was when he said, "My prize is Mia", which at least I understand even though I find it kind of repulsive, whereas I do not understand what he meant regarding the lighter skinned thing, when he said that you want to be with someone "that melts your butter", and I don't understand what he meant when he said, "If you're a bird, I'm a bird" (I don't remember the context). I had noticed that when Bobby and Danielle walked in to the reception area, to be introduced as husband and wife, they were not holding hands (the other two couples were, for their entrances), and it looked very awkward. They were at least holding hands when they left the reception in the big sendoff.

Forgot to add that Bobby's mom said (before the wedding) that hopefully the bride thinks "her knight in shining armor has arrived". Makes me definitely agree about this "unexceptional lad", and guess that he's been raised in a cocoon of constant praise for every little thing.

I already had thought that Mia reminded me of Lily (from Lily and Tom), and I just realized that it's largely because of the neck (but also because of facial features). Mia also seems very, very, very emotional and also insecure, and IIRC Lily was quite insecure. Tristan said something about how Mia has a "personality that shines", but I haven't seen it yet. What makes the claim of 43,000 so ludicrous, is that in recent seasons, they've gotten contestants by actively soliciting them, like being seen in public and asked to apply for the show. IIRC, Nate (of Sheila and Nate) came by that route. If they were getting so many applications, there's no way they'd need to solicit. The producers aren't "trying"...we've already heard it from the horse's mouth. Isn't Bobby the one whose father said something like, "You might think Bobby is a mama's boy, but he's actually a daddy's boy." Good god, that's even worse, that at his age, he's got his mama and his daddy wanting to make that claim! I didn't like the put-attention-on-me move that Bobby's mom made, by going up to him during the ceremony while he was at the front waiting for his bride. Danielle doesn't know about it, since she hadn't come into the ceremony yet, but I find that to be huuuge red flag with him that doesn't portend well for how the mom will try to usurp Danielle's role . He looks like an exact combination of Jay Z and the recently eliminated Bachelorette contestant named Wills.

Well-written, and puts all the parts together nicely. Interesting to hear from your perspective of having done it.

I hate when there's a "sucker's choice", and everyone falls for it. In this case, either Josh signs the 10-yr lease at this one place only, or he has to do something other than run his own shop in NY. Really? Considering that several seasons ago, he and his shop were featured in that top 50 people in NY article, or whatever, then he could probably fairly easily find somewhere else to open his shop. While Maggie and Liza would have known about "they", I did find it pretty realistic that Lauren did a run-down of the whole spectrum. Just this weekend, my family was trying to remember what comes after LGBTQ, and from looking at the Internet, Lauren provided the most comprehensive listing! And I loved the idea, and implicit mocking, of having edible makeup. I want to like Josh, but his whole melodramatic "come say good-bye” and “I’m done with this place,” were just too much. And I always hate it when people on TV shows have no other friends besides the main character and also the people who were originally the main character's friends, but are now also super good friends of this character as well. What happened to all the people that these characters knew before they met the main character??? Yeah, it's nice what Liza said to Josh, but in truth, on the show, I bet that if Charles proposed to Liza and suggested that they move away and open a bookstore or something, she'd be out of there in a heartbeat. So, no, he won't always have her...her life will probably change in a lot of ways in 10 years. I liked the Age-Queer thing, especially the context it was used in of Liza thinking fast on her feet, but it would have been better if a bit more time had elapsed to have there really be an Internet movement that caused Ridley's article to be pulled. I can understand Kelsey letting her feelings/horniness get in the way with the White House author, but I can't imagine her not making a connection between him writing no chapters, and her being lenient on him because of her feelings about him.

Me too. She looked sleek and elegant in the first dress. In the one she chose, where it puffed out made her look huge, and the high waist chopped up her torso. Yeah...no. Bobby looks and seems like a grown-up version of a little boy, not a man. Very accurate!

Ooh...good point! Yessss! Ken Howard as White Shadow was totally jock hot!!

Eric for the next Bachelor!!! I absolutely believe that Table-gate was all editing. IIRC, when Arie really did get up and leave the table when Lauren said something that strongly affected him, we got lots of camera time on each of them and what they were thinking, and I think they also discussed it when he came back. If it had been real when Becca left, then there would have been that type of footage, and they absolutely would have shown it.

Totally random observation here...On the postcard that his mom had given Cole, from when his dad went on the roundabout to California, I noticed that the dad had written that the Pacific is ugly and intimidating. A few weeks ago, at Helen's therapy session, she said something derogatory about the Pacific, that it was an attention whore or something. Sarah Treem's upbringing has been all east coast, so maybe that's her personal bias showing through!

Yes, thanks for bringing that up...I remember noticing that at the time, but had forgotten. It seems like that has to have been intentional on the part of the show, because if it wasn't, then it was an odd goof.

I didn't remember anything about a surrogate...but if the writers forgot, that's even worse! Yes, I absolutely got that possible signature switcheroo vibe...

It was quite odd...he wasn't going to be drinking at all, and yet he was encouraging her to not just take one drink, but to take more, 'cause he said something like "I bet you'd be cute tipsy". It was also very odd that she had him pour her a drink...I would think that involving so many of his senses with the liquor, would be too dangerous of a temptation, especially since it was not at all necessary.

Good point! Random observations: With Cole's lame stunt of pouring the gas around the guy's tent, there is now gasoline all over the grass...where people will undoubtedly throw their random cigarette butts...what a great guy. When the Cole caravan pulled into the gas station, and Noah said he would get Cole something to eat so Cole could take Luisa's call, I kept waiting for Noah to ask Cole what he would like to eat. But he never did. There's no way someone who barely knew me could possibly guess what I might like to eat. I must have missed it, or maybe they didn't show it, but how did Allison get from being seated on the boat, to being in the water? It was beyond contrived that the only person who was called on to ask a question at the end of the EMDR demonstration, was Ben. Further proof to me of the deviousness of Ben, is that he undoubtedly asked the question solely so that Alison would know he was there at the conference, then he conveniently disappeared immediately afterwards while knowing that she would go looking for him, then she couldn't find him and suddenly he appeared, all of which serves to get her even more invested in him. I don't know anything about EMDR, but I cannot imagine any scenario in which conference attendees are urged to practice such a procedure on their own, having received only a demonstration with no specific training, especially to try it out on total strangers (since not everyone at the conference would know somebody), and most especially with no people/mechanisms in place to deal with the potentially huge emotional fallout from the stirring up long-dormant emotions (like what happened with Alison, only moreso). There's no way that in reality, during Noah's Skype conversation with Alison, that he would so jovially mention having raised Joanie for 2 years while falsely believing she was his. Joanie is waaay beyond the age where Alison should be talking about brushing Joanie's teeth for her. What on earth are Cole and Luisa planning to do once the sale of the Lobster Roll goes through? Are they going to take on whatever capacity was mentioned by that conglomerate that made the offer? And during the argument between Cole and Luisa, I could have sworn Cole offered to do something to prove his love, and I thought he had said something about selling the Lobster Roll...but we know from the conversation between Cole and Alison that the sale is already underway, so I'm not sure what he had offered. Luisa's request was beyond ridiculous in terms of expecting that even if Cole asked Alison to sign away her rights as a mom, that she would ever go along with it. But aside from that, Luisa's premise was flawed, because single parents raise a child all the time, so even if she became the "mom", Cole is still the dad, he would still have been on the scene (prior to the walkabout plot development), so it's not like Joanie would have been orphaned without Luisa. I find the show's plotlines absurd, with enormous holes, but I continue to be captivated while the show is actually on!

Not as much to hate, and not as passionately, but still plenty: When Abby was Face-Timing (or whatever) with Barbara before the meeting, and Barbara spouted some bland mush about how they need to up their game, their brand, take it to the next level, maybe revisit sponsorships, Abby then says, "That Barbara...she really pushes us, bold, big..." Really? That is bold, big, and pushing? Abby tossing around that Idea pillow at work, because, of course she did. Also, why weren't those ideas brought up at a regular time in previous meetings? They weren't the kind of crazy ideas that would need the 'cover' of having only been mentioned due to the off-the-wall nature of the idea generating. Why on earth would Delia have kept the failure of the eggs a secret (other than as a plot device vis Tony), given that all these people do is share, over-share, and over-share some more? Abby tells Mike that Tess/The Fury is anti-establishment and a bit of a rebel...so she thinks the best thing to do is invite her to a formal-ish cocktail party in an upscale swanky home? Inviting Tony to the party...really? At the cocktail party, Phoebe finds Tess alone under the stairs...way to be a great host, Abby, and show your potential sponsoree (not sure what else to call it) how well you'll look out for her I guess actually enforcing boundaries is just.too.tough, so Abby not only doesn't send Colette back into the car immediately, but invites her into the house, and then invites her to socialize at the party (WTAF?!?!) After having created the bad situation vis Colette and the kids, Abby for once handles something in a calm, rational way, but of course does it in front of everyone at the cocktail party, and of course it impresses the potential sponsoree So Tony got fired because of his attitude, and has been lying to Phoebe, and Delia is still DTF? At the photo shoot, there is no way that any photographer would have been just passively clicking away while Tess/The Fury looked so stilted...and then all these people come up and interrupt and say nothing to the photographer about interrupting The writers chose the wrong loosen-up activity for Phoebe to cajole Tess/The Fury into a the photo shoot, because although the actress playing Phoebe looked pretty comfortable doing the dancing, the actress playing Tess/The Fury looked very uncomfortable, stiff, and wooden, in spite of the smile At the post-race interview session, no f*ing way would Tess/The Fury have just walked away from the press, to go over to Phoebe and plant a passionate kiss on her I'm not sure what the writers want us to think about Tony...were we supposed to believe he really had changed? Are we supposed to feel sorry for him that some people won't hire him cause he's an ex-con, but yet he gets fired for taking an attitude at a perfectly good job where "the pressure is getting really old", and then lies about it and thinks he's justified because he feels like Phoebe is "breathing down his neck"? What happened to Delia being "allergic to sperm"? Can a pregnancy test detect pregnancy after only two weeks of having sex? If Frumpkis were really successfully working the program like he's supposed to be, he would never have kissed Jo. And finally, last week I said, "I really like Jo and Albert too...therefore the writers will not let them remain together." [Sigh]

Oops...wrong show.

I like the ones where we see complexity and a unique problem. I feel like the industrial-type ones have greater possibility for that. What I think happened, is that Marcus had them completely re-brand it as No Bull, which I think was a giant mistake. I don't see why he didn't keep one as Diaper Dude (and making the quality and features upgrades) and make the other as the multi-purpose bag sold at outdoor stores or whatever. I think Diaper Dude was genius, and selling it at a baby store is the smart move, and wouldn't need the stupid message. For the other branded bag, they can swap out a few of the features, and go after a completely different market. So I don't see any reason why a change had to be made in the market that they were so successful in, in order to enter another separate market.

I would imagine her reason for insisting on "walking him out" was more about her safety, since it was her place and they were downstairs. If they had been in a public place, like a restaurant, I doubt she would have insisted. But in this case, given the state he was in, I definitely think she did the right thing.

What I found cringeworthily uncomfortable, was when Wills said he was falling in love with (falling for?) Becca. They are no.where.near that, which makes me doubt his sincerity. It felt exactly like the guy she kicked out, who said the same thing too early, which made her suspicious. I guess the only reason she didn't kick out Wills, is because he didn't admit to being insincere with his statement like the other guy did, and because this occurred a little bit later when I guess the sentiment could have, maybe, in some way, been plausible.

To be fair to Leo, she has had that look every.single.time the guys share something significant about themselves. I generally like Becca, but this is one of most unattractive traits. And I don't think it's because of awkwardness of how to handle such intimate information. I think it's because she would much rather be talking about herself. He is so low energy, that it makes him seem uninterested (and uninteresting). Several times during this episode he said something to Becca like, "I'm very excited about...", and I kept thinking "This is excited?" Other than his epic handling of the potential Talk-gate (and his unique clothes), I don't see anything remotely interesting/compelling/desirable about him. Other random observations: Garrett seemed drunk in how he was slurring his words at the group date party and in his ITMs. From how Blake's coat fit him from the neck up, he looked like an old time wild west gunslinger. Jason certainly has risen from dark house to a favorite, and gets much more camera time than at the start. I liken that to how it was with Catherine on Sean's season. I don't care for his look personally, but he seems like a genuinely good guy, and I'd have no problem having him be the 'winner' this season. In Jason's ITMs before the date, when they were showing him with the white shirt and the black jacket, and how his hair was, I remarked to myself that he looked just like a vampire. Then I couldn't believe it when they went on the date, to that Unhappy Hour goth party, and he drank 'blood'!

One thing I had found odd at the time, was when they showed that Vic had lost weight, and he was proud that he had lost 8 pounds. There is no way that the character was actually on diet, given his physique, and we had no indication that he had suddenly started an exercise program. So I didn't understand why they weren't both concerned, since an unexplained weight loss of 8 pounds for a man Vic's size is decidedly not normal (as we found out why this episode).

I've actually never had this issue with any show except this one, and on this show it was 'thrust' in our faces right from the start (I think it was the Cole/Allison by the car which Noah thought was rape). It happens so very often on this show, and the women characters seem to be just fine with it. From a purely practical level, I had two issues with the Vic and Helen sex: 1) He kissed her once, thrust three times, and was done 2) there would have been some mess to clean up, but he just zipped up, and I think she went on to wear that outfit. So very, very much about the walkout/riot made no sense... from Anton getting the idea to do it in the first place, to everyone in every class being gathered so quickly, to the police arriving basically before the students even got out of the school, to the presence of no other staff outside besides the very few that we've been shown, to Noah's fantastically wonderful de-escalating of the tension, to his weirdly weird speech. What struck me as odd, is that the way it was played, Helen had never heard the backstory before...IRL, that would have been discussed during the dating/mating period. And just for fun, I'll ask the question we've asked previously in similar circumstances...whose point of view is the Cole/Noah/Anton scene coming from? We've had a few 'objective' scenes in years past, but I can't recall what they were (Noah in prison and being visited by Alison....the courtroom scenes of Noah's trial?).