LuvMyShows

Yeah, I still had lingering doubt too. What they completely didn't seem to explore, was the concept that one or both of the guys had forcibly held the son under the water to make him drown. Since the son was so wasted, it probably wouldn't have been too hard for the two of them to do that. It wouldn't have left any marks, consistent with the evidence. And I definitely believe that the one guy's marks all over his face were scrape marks from the rocks, like he said, but those could have been from when he was trying to get back up the rocks after the murder. The one thing they never explained is why all that stuff was left behind. If they weren't in a hurry, why didn't they take the few minutes more to gather up their stuff? It's also possible that they saw the son drown and did nothing cause they thought he was playing around (seems very consistent with being wasted), panicked (thus the scrape marks cause he was trying to go too fast to get up the rocks), and left their stuff cause they were in a hurry.

Speaking as someone who is on Team Chemistry, and has been vocal about the kissing thing from way back, it has always been a problem with Charles from the very start, and I do mean the very start. Having seen great kissing chemistry with her and Josh, and what I thought was good personal chemistry with Charles, I was so disappointed from the start of their kissing...I remember even telling my husband about it. One of the earliest kisses, or maybe the first, was at the clothing store when Liza worked there temporarily, and I hoped I was wrong. But every single kiss has confirmed it, including the one at Liza's door at that outdoor retreat (or whatever it was) and the supposedly passionate one in his office awhile back that just looked to me like a lot of frenzied action. The recent passion scene had a lot of quick cuts and body parts etc, so that sort of made up for what was lacking when they were actually kissing. (But I gotta say the shot of Charles' lower body with just his opened jeans was hot!)

I believe the recent episode is one of the very few (or only one?) where it was concluded that no crime took place. It made for a nice change of pace.

Love that! Good point.

"Cucking" is EXACTLY what I thought while watching the show. I like this idea.

That was sooo bizarre. If that's his idea of special, I can't wait to see how he spins housekeeping chores to his future partner. LOL! Ooh, well put! And my Eric love is taking a major hit.

That is not what I said. I made my comment with specific and primary reference to not being able to read women (missing the social cues), which I mentioned to be combined with his flat affect, being very analytical, and seemingly clueless about feelings. Missing social cues and feelings is a hallmark of Asperger's, which was not an idle or ignorant guess on my part, having been a parent in a kids' therapy group that included several Asperger's kids and their parents.

This made absolutely no sense, especially because in that coming-out scenario that Charles and Liza were discussing, he mentioned that she would be an executive, which is why their relationship would be ok. IKR to both of these! What was farcical, was when Diana said to the policeman "I'm his girlfriend", so they just let her right on through.

Yes. They call that "addition by subtraction". Word. It's not a secret. In fact, I don't think Tristan would have had any problem if Mia called her family up afterward to talk about it. But he didn't want the lunch to be a heavy conversation that was bound to be negative-tinged about him, with these people who barely know him. Combine that with his flat affect, being very analytical, and seemingly clueless about feelings, I wonder if Dave is on the autism spectrum. Yes, I was very shocked that they did this (then I realized who/what we are dealing with, and simmered down).

One date is definitely enough time to get a good feel for someone's personality, let alone 2-3 days, especially when people aren't coming and going to work and other activities like in the real world...they are all there together in pretty close quarters.

I really hate to defend Jordan, but what I think he actually said to Annaliese, although it didn't come out right at all, was that if Jenna didn't want the rose, he would offer it to Annaliese so she could stay for her own benefit, not his. He wasn't saying he would come back to her in a romantic way (so not with her as a backup), but he would be offering her the rose in a friendship way if Jenna turned it down.

I cannot agree that turning down two attractive, 'suitable' women equates to being single because of seeking perfection. What someone finds attractive is subjective, and what they find suitable is even more so. We know almost nothing of what Caroline's and Jubilee's real personalities are like. I could meet two seemingly attractive and suitable men, and have no interest in dating either of them for a host of reasons, none of which would mean I was seeking perfection. Religion, work and travel lifestyles, and activity levels are legit differences that can easily be dealbreakers, to say nothing of the myriad smaller things that make people fall for one person and not another.

But if you recall, Leo specifically told Kendall that he is an alpha, and it wouldn't be OK if she was also with someone else while she was with him. That hypocrisy, turned indignant outrage, expressed so accusatorily is what is wrong...along with his roid-seeming bizarro rage-out in the pool and everywhere else on his rat-seeking quest.

LOL! Word. Yes indeed. Loved the whole post, but this was my favorite.

But hurting someone's feelings is not the same as having done something wrong. I could end up hurting someone's feelings by politely saying that I disagree with them, if they are the type that needs to be right all the time. That is not something that I would need to apologize for. Likewise I could tell someone that I really liked the dessert they made, but they get their feelings hurt because everyone else tells them that they love their desserts. Just because Amber's feelings are hurt by something Dave did, does not mean he automatically needs to apologize. But for the sake of their marriage, it should be something they communicate openly about, and that is not happening.

The owner may have taken some too. She had no financial integrity and lacked character. It was obnoxious that she was driving a Mercedes while owing her mother so much money. I very much believe that she took the money (bought the Mercedes), but viewed it simply as using her own money, so there was nothing wrong with it in her mind.

Eric for bachelor!!! I've been hoping that's why they brought him to Paradise, but he's getting almost zero storyline. He impressed me with how he calmly and firmly called out Jordan about his tirade. He's got looks and personality, and eventually they'll get around to having an AA bachelor.

And I am buying drinks for all of us!

I think maybe some of the differences about the whole Dave-is-bad rating thing, is our fundamental views on lying as a whole, lying to placate and keep the peace, what constitutes lying, how you feel about being lied to, etc. I'm in the camp that other than the social niceties lies with people not in your inner circle (when someone asks how you are and you say "fine" even though you're not...someone asks if you'd like more food and you say you're full but really it's just because you don't want any more of that bad food), a lie is a lie. If a husband or wife insists that they don't want any presents for their birthday, then they should not receive any presents for their birthday. If partners can't take statements at face value, then the burden gets placed on the recipient of the statements to guess at whether their partner is telling them the truth or not, and that is crazy-making and a recipe for communication breakdowns. And the flip side is, don't ask the question if you can't maturely take the answer (looking at you, Amber). And the flip flip side is, speak your truth rather than hide it (looking at you, Dave). Trust is precious, as we've all seen with Tristan and Mia, and is hard (sometimes impossible) to regain.

Great summary of it. You're not the only one! I think that some of the people who like Cole, are actually Joshua Jackson fans from various shows he's been in before. I had never seen him in anything before, so I only see him as selfish.

If Cheryl had planted her, I think she would have taken great pleasure in revealing that to Liza. So I think it was just a really, really weirdly written situation, and given that there appeared to be more hands up with questions at the end, Liza or Kelsey would in actuality have been far more forceful (pleasantly) about moving on to other people.

I'm obviously missing something, because I've heard that logic before, and I don't get it. Let's say Tia was picked to be Bachelorette. What fame/gain would Colton get from having dated her for a weekend, and then ended it with her? I doubt they would have put him on Tia's show (they've used up that gimmick already, of having a contestant already having dated the star), so there only seem to be negatives in terms of how his 'relationship' with her would have been spun. Or is it purely the notion of Colton's dating preferences being dictated by the spotlight, but not that he himself is looking to increase his fame from it? I could not believe it when Raven actually said such nonsense. And what we've seen so far from his own words in Paradise, is like a direct confirmation that he absolutely could have committed sexual harassment in the real world.

But here's what's extra shady. If you closely/carefully watch the scene where Amber asks Dave about the guys' meeting with Pastor Cal, the way Amber asks Dave the question is very stilted. She haltingly asks if there were any exercises, which is not something that would have been expected from a get-together. So I think it was a producer plant question, which makes it just that much worse/calculated. I seriously don't see how they sleep at night. Back when Cilona and perv-woman (blanking out on her name) were on, I just remember them being buffoons but not actively detrimental to people's mental health like they are now. But maybe I need to take that back, if that's the jackwagons that sold-out Jessica to Rage Ryan.

I definitely think she and Nev are a good match, but she just brings nothing to the show. If they want another co-host, I suggest iO, who did a nice job filling in for Max in a few (one?) episodes in the past.

And the fact that the class discussion took place in a dark-paneled room with leather chairs/sofa, made it all that much worse. Interestingly, even in Noah's version, he was a petulant dick, running out all in a huff when he heard Anton's "wonderful" prose, and lighting in to him without ever stopping once to consider a different point of view. IRL, our arrogant Noah would have been quite flattered that Anton had chosen to write about him, and would have focused on the positive. He also never would have let his emotions get the better of him at a place like Princeton, in public, especially when he had already been praised to the heavens by that fan-boy and wouldn't want to tarnish his image But even so, his POV had her walking up behind him in the quad and hugging herself against his back (or something like that). I remember assuming at the time that they must have had a sexual relationship in college, but we found out that didn't happen, so it made her doing that gesture even more unlikely.