Midnight Cheese

I know it was ugly and not a tight read, but I don't have much of a problem with what Dorinda said to, screamed at, Sonja. Carole was totally on point, explaining to Tinsley the broader context of Sonja's delusions and inveterate shit-talking, and I wish Ms. Medley had been able to slow her roll, but hot diggity dog, how infuriating is it to have someone smear you publicly and then get smoochy-fakey when they see you? The FB post linked to upthread contains breathtakingly rude, classist and malicious crap by Sonja about Dorinda. Who the holy hell is Sonja the fellating restaurant hostess and expert in septuagenarian dong, to sneer that she is "silk" and John and Dorinda are "synthetics?" At what point are folks allowed to tell her about herself, for real? She is IMO abusive. She thinks she can control Tinsley's friendships, LuAnn's wedding, her band of visibly miserable interns. She can claim to have been pursued by Carole's old boyfriend and LuAnn's almost husband and to be the real BFF of someone extending an invite to Tinsley. She's a bitch. A big one. And she washes her draws in what one must presume is an indifferently scrubbed bum-bum rinser. How gauche! I loved Carole this episode. I'm glad she decided to rid herself of the putty-nosed devil so that her election party wouldn't suffer (even more, as it happened). And I'm glad Beth is loathe to interact with Ramona. Invoking Bryn was true lowest of the low stuff. Honestly this franchise doesn't need Ramona. Sonja proves amply delusional about her "dates" to suffice.

Too many rad comments here...to keep it superficial, can anyone help an older broad like me get adopted by Dorinda so I have a chance of inheriting some of her knitwear? I LOVE that sumptuous grey sweater and the graphic black minidress; I'll fight Hannah for both, but I won't sass or ask for a couch (I dont really mind Hannah and think it's pretty hilarious that D. worried about their future as the Beales, big and little.)

She's so lame.

Andy Cohen accidentally Tweeted publicly that all of the RHONY are for Hillary, as are all of the RHATL, and that RHOOC are all for Trump. The Sonja story gives me pause - she has highlighted her acquaintanceship with Trump for years and years, and I think would have a much more transactional, 'that's how things go between rich men and women [and it worked well for me for a long time, so...]" attitude about things. I'd actually be stunned if she were organized enough to be registered to vote after only 15-20 years in her townhouse, actually, but even more surprised if she were With Her. (Sidebar: I cannot imagine Heather Dubrow voting for Trump but...who knows. Her folks are in Chappaqua, and must see Bill and Hillary more often than most. I digress). (Also, digressing: Paul Nassif, you can do better than both Sonja and Terry Dubrow!)

Well, sasha206, I suppose the sophisticated feminist positioning of #zerofucks and going into an all-out seizing of custody is beyond you and me, because ICAM with your post. Same for daring to wonder whether Bethany 'Lost at sea, orphaned, just a breast lift' Frankel is prone to exaggeration - it's so pro-Jason and anti-woman to even dare to post that. I just tried to regain some squandered brain cells and watched Frontline's 'The Choice' last night. In a world where ther'e's a Hillary Rodham, bad-ass Watergate committee member straight outta Yale Law, it's to fucking laugh and laugh and laugh that this petty, venal, skinny-celebrant is a totem of anything positive and woman-related. #zerofucks

Jac complained in a TH that a problem with Ashlee growing up was when Ashlee got too big for Jac to pull her hair as a form of discipline. Jac is insane and unstable and I would never want her even around my daughter. She is a horrible mother. And she can't let anything go and started every bit of upset this ep. Chris must want to run away from her constantly.

Beth is a total garbage person. Half of the 'Teen Mom' cast could school her on getting along with exes, putting your child first, and checking your impulse to strive for fame in order to care for your child. Beth's Traum safe and Soho apartment self is low-motherfucking-rent. Relentless trashing of her child's dad in public. The Hello Kitty 'pj's' shit the judge checked. But just like an MTV wannabe who, unlike Beth, never got the chance to fuck up in paid-for private school or the chance to drop out of paid-for 4-year college (twice, right?BU and NYU?), our super woman-empowering, hater-calling-out-heroine and thoroughly modern monster was a waddling down the aisle 7 months knocked up, giant-jawed, pre-term baby having trashbag. Picture her watching this kind of wasteful try-hard white-dress-knocked-up to-fuck bullshit in ANYONE else, and the vicious comments she'd make about the deluded loser princess, a near-due, near-40 woman marrying for a second time at the same venue...but this time in baby-bump-friendly Amsale. GTFOH. Slag, slag, slag. Of course she's still pulling this shit now that the ink is dry on the divorce papers. The divorce that lasted twice as many years as her shotgun, klassy marriage. This soul-free slag had a chest-shaving college rapist traveling with her and her precious 'peanut' and is merrily boning a very much married, ain't made a real move to divorce man. I judge, I will always judge this hateful narcissist, and IDGAF about how harsh it may read. She can't come close to handling any truth.

Some will believe it about Jules and make up facts not at ALL in evidence about how her kids are late literally every day and eat zero molecules of food and Michael rulz even if he dumped the kids at his folks's without even telling Jules so he could get swallowed by his girlfriend. But he, like Bethany, is an earner so Jules (an earner with a job, 2 kids and a product line - but hate has no facts) is not only not a mother in essence, she is not a person. Disgusting perspective. Switching gears, LOfrigginL for life at Carole sharply correcting Dorinda about Jules's age - "she's 35" was said with some tension - while acting like 52 or 53 follows 35. Someone get her some large-type arithmetic flash cards and tutor her in the Fibonacci rules. She can put on her Smart Girl (...reading) glasses for the scene! - signed, a woman older than Jules who understands what "older than" means, and that THAT is a fact - a neutral and true thing unlike the dark fluttering fear this sets off in Carole.

Bethany short-circuits and has literal, initial comprehension problems when someone points out that the personal, off-camera business of a coworker is the personal, off-camera business of a coworker. What a bad person. What a misery-maker. What a manipulative, judgmental, mean-spirited, deeply hypocritical and cruel fucked-face fuck face. Jules's divorce is none of Bethany's business. If we can believe Bethany loves Bryn, we can believe Jules loves her 2 kids, both of whom are younger than Bryn. If Bryn is so precious and worthy that mere mention of altered filming dates (last season) and post-divorce empty apartment tours lead to shrieky gales of tears and mention of details is seen as gross and beyond the pale and potentially minor-child harming, why can Bethany go after Jules's marriage, non-existing prenup and in-process divorce? Don't those precious kids deserve respect? Doesn't their mom, who may have been blindsided by her hobbit's affair with a 'friend'? Or is showing the courtesy of keeping some things private only afforded to Bethany? What did Jules ever do to Bethany, besides be younger, be a beauty, have a marriage that lasted more than 2 years and produce 2 kids conceived after the ceremony, get a product into some Whole Foods stores, and speak some objectively true truths about her own eating disorder? I know Sonja is fucked in the head but never guessed that she was so grossly underfucked that "5 times in 10 years" constituted what "lovers" do, are, and mean to one another. Lordt, she is pathetic. Every deluded head-bob adds a year to her singledom. No one wants to deal with someone like that as life feels faster and shorter - certainly no straight man in Manhattan with long money. Ramona and her evidence. Um. Whatever her past career, whatever had to happen to make 'What Remains' happen -WTF does Carole DO all day, NOW? Boring. So very boring. What a disappointment.

Yasss, PREACH dammit. This is the only thing that makes sense. A prophylactic phone call because they had dinner with a group, and motormouth (fueled by Adderall? blink blink blink. Or coke? sniffity-sniff, Skeletor) just wanted to give a heads-up as to the no-feelings, NBD of it all does not make any kind of internal sense as a social nicety. Is Bethenny living under Sharia fucking law in her squirrely mind, or is the still-married Mrs. Shields? "I sat next to a boy (a bald boy but still a boy) and we shared the communal olive oil dipping bowl before we got our entrees, and I just wanted you to know we didn't screw after calculating the tip ha ha ha!" Chick is a liarface and nowhere near as intelligent and savvy as she thinks.

Jules looks SO gorgeous! Lush, pretty, stylish. Damn! (small voice) I love Carole's entire reunion look and think she wears it - even seated for 12 hours - beautifully. (Ray Liotta as Henry Hill in "Goodfellas" cokey cracky laughter): Ramona, you say Mario wanted to reconcile? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, Doris. That dress. Don't hurt my feelings, I like you even when I shouldn't. Sonja's out for blood. The thing is, no one, including Tom, has fucked Sonja, her money, her job opportunities, like Sonja has. Sh's angry because in this rare period of sobriety, she knows she's not likely to marry up moneywise, and has no skills. (The courtesan-level sex skillz are deployed by women 1, 2 generations younger who aren't terrible credit risks.) Were LuAnn's accusation about when Bethany (NEVAH FORGET) started 'dating' Dennis Shields untrue, that satin and jewelry-covered mongoose would've remained seated. Until we meet again, Felicia.

Ramona is gales more pathetic in terms of how her marriage went down and next week, true to form, she fakes tears and screams that Tom's behavior triggered bad memories for her. Uh, good? And she looks like a chubby macrame-covered fake-chesticled Tammy Sue Bakker, may she rest in peace, with those lashes. She is just not fun. She's an old lady who gets anxious at the thought that her wine of choice won't be at hand for her 11 am boozing. No one, even Tom, has screwed Sonja nearly as well as she and her delusions have messed with her. Lord. Bethenny obviously wanted Lu to flip and scream that her info was false etc., thus the preamble (where she said she didn't want to get into whether her stuff was true or false....she put as much pressure and pain on Lu as she could.) You could see the dawning realization on Beth's fucked face that her viciousness would be perceptible to many, many, many viewers, and that it was going to be hard to be the underdog queen victim this time. She's a bad person Carole was great this episode. I'm holding out hope for her yet.

'bloody_bethenny' on her Instagram is a rather old-school capital-H hater and hypocrisy-pointer-outer. Scroll down for comments. https://www.instagram.com/p/BI_GPGhhV5o/?taken-by=bethennyfrankel&hl=en

I think the child-support discount Hail Mary is in effect, too, zoeysmom. He clearly misrepresented where he would be when Jules was in Miami - distressing his kids. He was probably shopping for furniture for his new apartment with his mistress(<--- shown on the Daily Mail.) I cannot believe I was so fooled by him! I really liked him and thought he was funny and into his wife!

Those pics show me as always that Beth has many, many, many expensive, coveted things, and no style. Lemme try to explain to her - Beth, you look like you got freshly fucked by a bunch of non-sale racks in the Short Hills Mall.

I can see this very well, totally...hell, though, did anyone not celebrate the demise of 'Bethenny,' including Beth? Heh.

I agree that some may be jealous of Beth's money, and her having earned it - I am just not sure Lu is one of them but could see that. I can see Ramona feeling that much more than LuAnn though, and probably Sonja. I think Dorinda and LuAnn and even Jules facing what looks like a shitstorm divorce don't care. (I don't think Beth inspired or inspires jealousy in Kristen or Carole or Heather either beyond a vague 'it would be awesome to have struck that deal and netted that cash' -- from Jill Z or Ramona or Sonja? I see it. Not from any others though). I also don't think Beth is jealous of Tom or of Lu's maybe never happening marriage but find it very plausible that she would be pissed that any kind of 'Is Bethenny considering love again?' storyline and attention flowing from that might not be as Housewives-perfect as 'Will one HW actually snare a goof who has fucked two other HWs?" Beth is so incredibly thirsty for attention IMO. All of her protestations to the contrary are IMO false on their face. Like her sobbing "I don't want the attention!" at the photoshoot for Lu's clothes when Kristen legit asked about departure dates for Turks after Ramona whipped the merde. Beth is critical-care thirsty. She and Lu are equal and equal-opportunity attention hogs IMO. Though maybe Ramona tops everyone. I know shoegal, you know a ton about fashion and I *do* see that Lu could look dated but I think she wears it well. I would love to take some of Beth's wardrobe but she does have a certain If Shopbop and Net-A-Porter mated thing...it's every cool thing without actual style. I am one of those foolios who generally really, really loves what Carole's wearing and I think she's got a terrific sense of taste....leaves thread quick like a bunny.

It's so out of bounds for Beth to threaten like this. She's a terrible person. This is personal stuff like marital dissolution, EDs, illegal drug use. This is NOT like anyone on RHOOC threatening to clarify how they believe Vicki started cancer-scamming, and I don't think anyone issued a threat like this. It's not like Dorinda is pretending her relationship is perfect, or as if Jules is publicly saying she's not divorcing. There isn't any hypocrisy and Beth has been so hypocritical, particularly in lying on the show about not dating last season when she was. This is madness. Beth is a truly perfect bully. Anger, insecurity - none of it can be filled by millions of dollars and a healthy gorgeous daughter and fame and a fuckton of clothes and a Traum safe. It can't be satisfied. She is financially set for life, her divorce is done, she 'won' her cheater boyfriend. Who is she to threaten a not-yet-divorced mom of 2 without that level of money or media control/manipulation? Who is she to constantly allude to illegal drug use by some with the rumors around her and acknowledged use by her main show ally? Jules did NOTHING to her and neither did Dorinda, save loving/dating someone who doesn't like her. Beth is a completely disgusting person. And on her Insta and in other places (NOT HERE please don't try it), she attracts people who write stuff that DOES show they are without any kind of compass or intellect - people who want the powerful mean person to acknowledge them, hire them for free, respond to an ass-licking comment that drink-throwing is fine when it's just water, #zerofucks. It's so bizarre.

Yes. She is very, very practiced at a lot of forms of lying. That anyone buys her act is amazing. That in real life she has extremely limited, frequently broken-off long-term platonic or romantic or familial relationships is the least surprising thing ever. I doubt any poster here has as much fuckery in their family, social and romantic life as this 'success story.'

I would be genuinely impressed and come around a bit on Sun-ya if she gets mad at Tom for hurting Lu. That would redeem a lot, including trashing LuAnn for the Harry Dubin non-abandonment (where she sat quietly 'crying' and simpering when Ramona shrieked 'fuck her!' and gave the air and a couple of bewildered interns the finger about hearing over that completely fictional betrayal). Beth has gone in so hard on Lu that it's just hard for me to see anything other than chops-licking malice in her behavior. It would be as if she tried to guide Kelly Bensimon gently by the elbow to a shrink, as a kind of mental-health sponsor, after snarking on her and quite obviously hating her (legitimately earned or not). She hates Lu. Time to put on her big girl, size 4T pants, take a photo, post it to Instagram with a hashtag, and not be such a fucking fake and pretending to cry over hurting Lu. Funny fact: in the media thread there's a story of Beth going full mental Beth and throwing a drink at a Coldplay concert 2 days ago, because a few concertgoers wouldn't sit down for Ms. Jock-Off. Kelly B. was at that concert, too - and despite her mental health issues, no one reported her throwing a glass like a primate flinging shit or Ramona whipping a wineglass...maybe Kelly can give Beth a referral to a great psychiatrist or psychologist.

How is Tom getting away with anything? It hasn't even aired yet, and the previews we saw showed Beth/Lu and Beth's 'pangs' at seeing how upset Lu was, that's why we're doing B v L, part 30. Of course the Hos are to live on camera to amuse us. Just sucks that one of them got to hide her rapist boyfriend and whine about having a dry vagina, her words, and demur about not wanting a 'man-stealer' (uh ok) to know about her relationship until she decided to go nuclear and on the offensive, possibly to deflect attention from her own participation in infidelity. If the not-crazy-seeming spec about what Beth gets to keep off camera is remotely correct, it just makes this all seem ridiculously mean. In terms of 'getting away' - in the RHOOC thread a season back, the discussion centered on Heather/Tamra's treatment of Shannon once it was clear they were kind of trafficking in the info that Shannon's husband, David, had a long-term affair with a woman connected to Heather's circle. Not every post started with 'as we have stipulated David should be held by one heel and dipped into a live volcano for doing this...now let me move on to reading Tamra for filth via this post' but it seemed no one thought David got away with anything with viewers!

I doubt it's fake for lots of people, and maybe LuAnn is one of them, to be and feel hurt by someone who is intensely desperate to hurt and humiliate you on-camera. You don't have to like someone in order for them to try to hurt you when they are twisting an ankle in their eagerness to hurt you, mock you, call you vicious and misogynistic names, and out a betrayal of you on camera. You don't have to respect someone for them to hurt you when the currency isn't over winning respect from that person. ITA it's so fake for Beth to try and produce tears (I hope there's some kind of feed line coming from the saline in her chest) over LuAnn while shivving her. Perhaps she can Instagram a pic of her wracked, upset face the day the episode airs and the tracks of her tears will spell out "Hey fans! I'm still your underdog heroine right???! One fuck given, buy my truffles and I'll DM you!" Skeletor, please.

I think Ramona stirs the most in serious ways and that her trying to goad Sonja into on-air reactions is pretty cruel. Doris stirs but she seems to have some limits - like laughing at Ramona's 'tears' over Sonja's defunct fucking (once? thirty times?) relationship with Tom. I simply don't believe Ramona has a boyfriend of several months. She's desperate to show her TruLYReNewed self and I believe still wants to think Mario and Kasey pine for her and fear her, respectively. Boobs, hair, surgeries/filler treatments, bathing suit parades, insisting Tom took her out more often and then failing to back that shit up (how can she not see her numbers have changed?) etc. In the alternative: her story is totally true but her hot mans lives in Canada and is named George Glass.

But Bethenny's mess isn't on-screen because the show has apparently been rebuilt around her, and no one else on this cast or the season prior was permitted to have a live-in or serious romantic partner excised entirely from the storyline. Between Cerutti and Shields, no one has had near as dicey a romantic life on this show as Bethenny and all of it is unmentioned. Rapist-banger to married-dude-hypocrite-banger beats engaged to a man who took Ramona to dinner like paper covers rock, right? It's just crazy. If Beth can pretend she's never seen the underside of a college-rape-expellee's sack, if it never makes air, who in the hell is she to out her allegations that John does coke when she's being filmed at a RHONY event? What's ok about her dragging stuff people would reasonably not have on air while keeping all her mess covered? I truly don't understand! I think the idea that B was eviscerating Lu to protect Carole is not that likely - Bethenny has been hateful to Lu for a long time, before and after her temporary single-focus Bravo stardom. But if it is, jeez, how pathetic, for Beth to use Lu's idiocy as a proxy to vent her spleen. Carole does just fine fighting back, too, to give her some credit. I mean the stuff with Aviva alone, and with Lu last season, this season, and last reunion, shows she won't take something she feels is unfair or a misrepresentation.

I agree, and I think the stuff about Tom's makeout partner is actual misogyny in action. Nude model, maybe, to stripper, maybe, to hooker, maybe, all of it is an escalation, and all of it is to make Tom and this woman even worse and LuAnn more desperate. It is not clear to me whether that comes from Bethenny or viewers or what. Even if it were true, the issue is Tom lying and betraying LuAnn, not how this woman earns money. It's of a piece with 'whore, fuckdoll' - it's meant to create terrible damage to a woman's reputation, it's not innocuous, it's not said without ill-purpose, that purpose is to treat someone as a piece of meat and something much less than human, and it's much more serious IMO than talking about the choice to hit the fillers like I'd hit an ice-cream sundae bar. (ETA: TY anonymiss for the reminder about 'misshapen.' Carole was Victor Hugoing out at John, which is so weird to me. Maybe this is a small element of why Dorinda has TH'd about Carole being mean - maybe there have been other little comments of that nature not aired.)