Midnight Cheese

HOW did Sonja look so good this episode? I don’t like the fur vests, hats (Beth), fur-trimmed cape thingies (Lu) but damn, Sonja looked very pretty. And Beth’s TH look in the red Lurex sweater and red dangle earrings- to me, she’s never looked so pretty. But back to Sonja - wasn’t the footage of her removing her red satin wrap dress on stage filmed around the same time as this particular ep? Because while she’s admittedly (presumably) blitzed-seeming on stage, she also looks nowhere near as good. Mysteries! If there’s a PTV excursion to that hotel, please invite me. I’ll bring face masks and put my glasses over mine...so that I can see. Zaldamo Wilder, you know we all love you. Real love, not situational and unsuccessfully manipulative Ramona love. I am very sorry.

I loved Bobby Zarin. And I’ve known a couple of friends who have similar marriages; one partner lives to bring joy to the other, because the relationship provides them with so much. They seemed to adore each other. As much as people remember Bobby giving Jill expensive gifts, she clearly, to me at least, valued his opinion without question, trusted him wholeheartedly, and they seemed extraordinarily loving towards one another’s children from their first marriages. Thank you to those who remembered instantly and accurately that back in the day, when Beth suggested her fight with Jill put Bobby in the middle, he immediately and firmly said, I wouldn’t be in the middle. YES. Isn’t that the snapshot of your relationship you’d want to hold in you, to know directly that your lover and best friend claimed you with enduring loyalty and pride? I think many people would feel that way but few would have the strength of character and calmness to say it. Bobby was a grown-up, and very loved. What a damned awful shame. I saw photos of B, Dorinda, Ramona and Sonja at Bobby’s service. Beth and Sonja looked like such assholes with their Looky Here! winter accessorizing - it almost made Doris’s insane coat look sober. Seriously. Assholes. I am amazed Sonja’s repairs got done...I hope her contractors got paid... I rewatched and thought the mean commentary was really all Carole, no? Tinsley makes fun of herself a fair amount. Carole has an abundance of arrogance - it’s beyond self-esteem. She is mean to the bone. I saw it emerging with Jules but she’s completely out of control now. Every snide, shitty remark about Ludini makes Carole seem even smaller and less fulfilled - and her acting out at Conbody was just embarrassing. She’s not cute.

Yes! All this. So isn’t it extra feckless word Samantha Bee took back-y for Scum-ya to gleefully photograph and highlight incredibly minor, cosmetic flaws in the custom wall finishes at Dorinda’s, when she is living that no-heat-in-January, windows-opened-in-August, jaundiced ice cubes, scream into the broken “intercom,” broken elevator, leak damaged, gerkonnoknocken- coated patio life? Nice try. Pay a bill, ho. Something else was horrible about Sonja and the contractors. She’s there in her faded glory ex-rich important white lady posture, telling a bunch of sex lies to cover up her broke-assed truths, and she pushes those incredibly professional and polite Latino men HARD to “flirt” back. They don’t because unlike her, they aren’t gross. But imagine how they’d be viewed and discussed and treated if they had reacted to her pathetic sexual fabulism. They don’t get pandered to and indulged as just a lil’ kooky, no harm, no foul. Fuck her (Actually, don’t. Health is wealth.) Also...you could, today, rent an Upper East Side townhouse with full renovations and a fast stroll to Bloomingdales, or even the Met, from between $10,000-$25,000. I hope she raises it to$35,000 while cameras are rolling.

Wasn’t Amador killed before Zhukov?

I agree. Paige was damned brave in this, IMO. How absurd to put expectations that she act like Philizabeth when she lived a wholly different life, one fundamentally standing on a lie.

Loved it. Completely satisfying, and completely devastating. Part of me thinks the show runners had Paige clarify her age when she learned a sliver of the truth, had her insist they call Henry, and had her get off the train, to emphasize that her childhood and life were stolen from her, too. The sequence with Gregory and Dev’s observations about Elizabeth’s smoking: magnificent! Who knew how upsetting a resolution with zero deaths and some hope (Arkady lives!) would be.

I agree. I think she got married way too young, made some unkind and bad moves, but at heart means no harm. Topper wanted to save the marriage and they apparently worked out joint custody for their rescue chihuahuas (!). She really has not lived an indolent life, FAR surpassing Sonja, and probably others. Even for those denigrating it, she did get her Columbia BA, and started a design Masters but dropped out after a year. She really did work at Vogue and one of those nightmare power bitch PR firms of the 2000s. Her lines for Samantha Thavasa were big, for years. It’s silly-looking but it sold. Her fluffy novel, no doubt ghostwritten, sold ok from what I can gather. Nico Fanjul is a sociopath raised by sociopaths rich off of actual slave-equivalent labor across the Caribbean toiling in sugarcane fields for fucking nothing. She was injured many times over their amour fou bullshit. His shitbird, should all be buried alive under a jail, family tried to play it as fatal attraction in Lilly Pulitzer. NO. They have worked collectively to bury Nico’s bodies for him, noting in 2016 that he was working to get an insurance license...over the past three years. Bitch has no job and few social scene photos. I have no doubt the Fanjuls have privately settled multiple potential suits over his abuse of girls, former classmates, etc. No doubt. I saw on Simmons’ instagram that she happily went to Mexico City with her newborn to engage in promotional events for her line - with her breast pump in tow. Third baby, carried in mid-late 40s, but she has a big business, too, so. The lady is no joke. Topper is rich living of a certain type done right. He apparently has worked in finance forever, and actually works. He could have been a Nico and isn’t and Coupon Cabin Scott could be his brother. So, yeah.

Yeah; I actually do feel sorry for her if Tinsley has regrets. Tabitha and Topper are getting married soon. His family seems to adore Tabitha - I have been a Tabitha Simmons fan for a minute, because I love her shoes and style. She is a very talented stylist, too. We know Topper epitomizes long money and according to Tins in Vermont, has long other assets. Tins has been in an abusive relationship with someone totally worthless, unaccomplished and disgusting, and Topper fell for someone amazing. He is still mega-private while having a successful romance with someone cool, on social media, and thisclose to every fashion insider ever. It’s just kind of a study in massive contrasts.

Oh wow. I assume Tinsley is totally over her marriage but/and, I would be kind of misty over this. First, Tabitha Simmons has a legitimate high-fashion shoe line, and she has never lost her shine since its introduction. She had at least one still expensive, lower cost collaboration with J Crew. She already had two sons from her first marriage, and an editorship at Vogue. She’s a pretty stunning brunette, doesn’t have the appearance of someone who has had surgery or injectibles, and does a lot of that Marina Rust-ish thing; in some pics she looks like John Singer Sargeant painted her, and in others, looks totally bare-faced and cool. (Her aesthetic is what I thought Carole’s would be...I was naive.) And now she and Topper had a girl, and Tabitha had a healthy delivery and pregnancy at 46 or 47. That is a lot of good fortune. I saw they were engaged and thought maybe Topper didn’t want kids of his own and was happy to have step kids but nope. Mazel and I hope Tins finds what she wants.

Sonja the scammer is BACK, my babies! The image above from her Instagram got me interested in seeing “her” new collection: would it be for the masses or for the classes? Would they be “made in Italy,” yet sized S, M, L? Would they be visibly stained? So many questions! When I followed her link, the site asks that you download her app. Erm, no; I don’t need an app that teaches me how to be drunk and thinking it’s 1999, Prince and Wendy and Lisa covered all that. But on her drop-down, it reads that Sonja Morgan’s collection offers Footwear. Watch yer back, Zappos! https://www.sonja-morgan.com/product-category/women/footwear-for-women/running-shoes-for-women/ Running shoes. Sonja sells running shoes. By established brands. So she’s...like Amazon? It’s coded as a series of referral program links? Or is the app seeding and this indicative of something that would be a precursor to stealing credit card info? What in the actual f? She’s a con artist. Please lets not let go of that fact. I think her ex should have sued for sole legal and physical custody. She haa been running actual fraudulent schemes for frigging ever. Damn.

Sonja took it further, Sweet-tea, and said the “sperms” would “fight” inside of her. It’s the Sharks versus the Jets up in there, snapping fingers menacingly by her cervix! (“When you’re a ho, you’re a ho all the way, from your old plutocrat to your gross pirate lay-yay!”) She’s so dizzy-lightful! She doesn’t have a mean bone in her, unless you count an unsheathed one here and there and heck, that’s mostly spongy tissue, and what’s a condom, between adults? What’s the point in showing discretion with the, um, ribald tales, from a mom with a teen daughter when you can seem like the sexiest J, you feel me? What's a commitment to a senior dog or cat, I mean, who cares if you treat them as disposable if the animals are too lazy to learn English and how to text SOS without having fingers, or get themselves adopted by Quincy to avoid “rehoming” with a “very stylish gay man” (and is there any other kind, huh?). Sonja deserved worse than she’s gotten in life. And I’m sure the rest of it is coming, whether or not she’s chained up Conor to answer or not answer the door. Bethenny was desperado in the big talk with Carole, and I see she's not come to her senses by next week. Ageism is not the look. What a fool.

That is horrible. Dammit. I am impressed with Beth’s charitable efforts in PR, and I’m disappointed that this reads as credible.

LuAnn’s is a superficial, mean, piece of work. That blog... IMO all that’s up with LuLu and the Tinz (which is like Smokey and the Bandit with shitty jewelry and no iconic mustaches): Palm Beach isn’t West Palm Beach. C’est tout. Now, I never liked AlexSimon, but LuAnn was a giant snoberrina to them both, so it’s funny that a snob who came by it honestly, via Topper Mortimer, Lawrenceville, and the St. A’s rich bitch social club at Columbia, is telling our haughty cabaret-not-caburlesque artiste to maybe take it down several hundred notches. Live by snobbery, die by it. I truly hate when one of these ladies uses the fourth wall as a sword and a shield. I think it’s cruel, and I choose that word deliberately, for these ratchet wenches to lie about Sonja with respect to Tinsley, so part of me hope Tins burns it all down with respect to “class.” I think KFB pointed out weeks ago that Sonja, in her kaftan and stolen slippers, kept insisting that Ramona had messed with Mario the contractor. Mario, Mario, Mario! Sonja’s eyes were gleaming. She wanted to dig giant rock salt into the wound of Ramona’s divorce. That same ep, or within one ep, Doris and Carole said Sonja said Tins was kept, a quasi-concubine/escort, to Mr. Coupon Cabin. And some objected and oh ho ho ho! No! Sexy J was never shown saying “hooker,” so Doris and Carole were being oh so mean. Well, this week, Sonja compared Tins to Holly Golightly. Um. Got any defenses? I want Tins to take the nuclear option. She hasn’t. Sonja has run slick at the mouth about EVERYONE on the show. Over every season! The ONLY people she has not by memory insulted and lied about was Jill and possibly Jules. She lied every which goddamned way about Tinsley, about her relationship with Tom and Harry to hurt Lu, again about Harry to hurt Aviva, about Mario the contractor to embarrass Ramona, about Russ to hurt Carole, about her businesses to hurt Heather and Kristen and Kris’s douchelord husband, and the unlamented Cindy, about her Tipsy Girl bullshit to hurt Beth and Dorinda, about her own nonexistent modeling career to embarrass and discomfit Kelly, about her activism to humiliate Alex and Simon. She is abusive. Sonja has abused her interns (did she or did she not blame her stank, stained couch on Pickles? The intern who was never even called her name? Did she or did she not smirk about her “homeless” Irish intern online, creating hurt for that girl?). She has gone way, way further out than accused provocateurs Kenya Moore or Tamra or anyone. She’s not sad or touched just because she tries to straight-up fuck Keith Hernandez on WWHL, in her no-dress dress and Bali bikini. I mean, damn. Tinsley has been incredibly restrained about Sonja’s finances, her behavior, and her narratives. #basta.

Come on in for a hug, dammit! YES THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!

My husband told me the Decider’s recapper perceived a switch finally being flipped, when Phillip hugged Stan after saying his agency’s failure explained the crazy travel and dumping Henry on Thanksgiving. The theory is that it reminded him of when he, Stan, hugged Gennady. For Gennady, Stan was his closest friend; for Stan, Gennady was a subject. When Philip hugs Stan, Stan instinctively realizes the inequity in his friendship with Philip. (And don’t Stan and Gennady have an uncanny physical resemblance? Maybe echoed by Harvest and William’s passing physical resemblance, similar deaths, and death-rattle, unburdening conversations with Phil and Stan?) Paige was conceived in loneliness, and reared in a lonely household, and it makes sense that her duty-bound blinkered nature doesn’t see the prison she’s always lived in- after all, Elizabeth doesn’t have much self-awareness, or recognition of other natures until it’s much too late. And she knows about every chopped-off hand and suitcase-crammed corpse.

I’m another one curious about Dennis, his marital status, and Bethenny. He’s on camera so I assume the divorce is happening because otherwise that just seems cruel as hell. Knife-twisting levels of messed up. Anyone know? The thing about Sonja that has actually surprised me is how vituperative she is towards Tinsley. It ain’t subtle. It’s very off-brand as far as the frothy, bawdy, easy-going Lady Not A Lady attitude she slings. But she loses it at Tins...like, a lot. “She’s lying...Mommy paid, Scotty paid, shut up Tinsley!” - Sonja clearly loses it, like for-real loses her shit, loses her temper, loses her composure. She’s so envious and around Tinsley, she cracks, completely. I wonder if anyone else THs about this as the season continues. Part of me sincerely believes that her bitterness towards Tinsley and screaming at her about having a trust-funded life is yet another thing that will permanently keep Sonja from finding her own rich partner - and she can’t handle life without one. It’s pathetic, and makes me sad for her.

Quincy is gorgeous - so sophisticated for a teen. She will be a beauty forever.

Carole’s blog and dosodog’s post and so many other things have made this thread a good and poignant read. So have so many PTV’rs arguing that pain is pain. Yes. I lost my dog very unexpectedly, recently, and feel hollowed out by it. I’d never make comparisons. Some people, wonderful people, made analogies to me about other kinds of loss that never even occurred to me; I guess I was too busy being sadder than I’d ever dreamed. But I so appreciated every acknowledgment and little bit of kindness. I'm still me and a heel though, so I think the amazing poster upthread who brought in “ruinous empathy” as something to guard against with Sonja was dead-on. I don’t believe, never will, and sadly (erm, maybe sadly, for the state of my immortal soul!) never believed that Sonja ever cared about much beyond trappings and status. I’m not discussing her kiddo, and do assume the best there - that she does her best and adores her girl. That being written: There is no reason to believe JAM left her holding the bag with that movie lawsuit, which ultimately bankrupted her - and every reason to believe she tried to manipulate “friends” to play the heavy after her lie about securing funding was discovered. Sonja’s divorce was ***finalized*** in 2006 - yet she was executing agreements in early 2006 affirming a JAM or other actual Morgan financial commitment? That’s impossible, sorry, not sorry. I’m highlighting this one little thing to try and show that my mean self does have a heart, but that there’s something akin to actual objective evidence that Sawn is a con. Or cawn. And more importantly - much more importantly - believing that SHE just wanted to be top of the heap and did a lot of shady crap is not to say at all that divorce isn’t devastating and horrendous and for many, utter agony in every way. (But that’s not IMO applicable to Sonja.) You can’t really get a clearer sense of how a world-class manipulator works without seeing the embedded article (the one Tamara cites) while also knowing she was saying things that could not have been true (additional business involvement with him) given an acrimonious and finalized divorce within months. Persnickety1, I’m so sorry. http://tamaratattles.com/2015/06/28/here-is-the-tea-on-how-sonja-morgan-lost-7-million/

No one is more delusional than Sonja Okay Okay I Was Married Twice But Hid It To Broil Miso Cod For Winston Churchill Himself Tremont Morgan of the Panties Optional Morgans! Also, if the story about poor betrayed Sonja had legs, I don’t see Page 6, NYSD, and similar outlets reviving that Quest Magazine article insinuating like crazy that she was catting around in a highly visible way during her brief marriage. And it was a brief marriage. No analogue to a love match over decades, there, IMO at least. Which doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the mercy shown to her - I just believe she’s con woman. A mean one. ETA: sustaining yourself mentally and physically over 6.5+ hours in a marathon is extremely difficult. Don’t take my word for it! The amazing Grete Waitz, who won marathons, said running at a civilian’s pace and thus enduring extra hours on the course was extraordinarily difficult, and made for a far more arduous race. https://marathon.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/waitz-and-lebow-a-friendship-for-the-ages/

It is amazing in another way: most of this cast is over 50 but most would sooner die than say “perimenopause,” admit any mood, sleep, libido, hair, or weight changes. I mean, Sonja is on a prescribed antidepressant but insists she’s not depressed...

Bethenny on Dorinda and Sonja, death versus divorce, and living in the past, said directly that Sonja missed her old life,’while Dorinda missed Richard - yet seemed to understand and show more empathy for Sonja missing her old life. Sorry, but what? No. No! Unless you’re a user or sociopath, this is just...no. Dorinda misses her loved one. Sonja misses her old lifestyle. And that WOULD be hard, harder still to know the loss is your own fault. But these losses are things Sonja must face. And that includes dealing with her own deep faults. So I guess we should estimate she’ll acknowledge that...never. Carole and her miffed attitude about Ramona not throwing her a bonafide marathon celebration: what?? Girl, bye. I’ve run that. I was crying grateful for the support I got, which didn’t include a dinner party with a Go Nuts dresscode and a giant cake. I mean, honestly. If someone had given me a bag of Cool Ranch and a certificate to Massage Envy I would have ugly cried.* * and still looked less crazy than Sonja in her Grandpa Munster makeup confessionals. What the HELL.

What da fuq is Ramona wearing?

Bethenny’s investment property is already amazing. Damn! It’s already more modern than Ramona’s place. I flat-out don’t believe a word from Sonja about her beautiful marriage. Sonja to the captive Mary: “I lost my best friend (fake cry voice) as she [Dorinda] did so I lost my best friend too!” Um. UM. UM HE’S REMARRIED FOR THE SAME NUMBER OF YEARS YOU WERE MARRIED.

Holy cannoli. This preview at the link...Tinsley IMO shows restraint by not issuing an actual beatdown of Lady Morgan at the dinner table: https://m.eonline.com/news/929614/tensions-erupt-on-the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-when-sonja-morgan-and-tinsley-mortimer-talk-scream-about-money

Carole’s description of Sonja on the drive to the Hamptons was sharp and accurate, to me: “she does that floozy with a big heart routine but she’s really, she’s not nice.” This is why Sexy J and Dorinda will always be oil and vinegar (tm Ramona.) Sonja has an ability to charm, at first, and while she may be diagnosably delusional, she’s an absolute viper. She’s projected garbage (clearly lives on her HW money and child support but Tinsley is a dependent adult, and she said the same about Lu in a previous season), lies (claimed Tom was her lover when some genius here said a 5 lays in 10 years man is just a break the glass in case of emergency dick: RESPECT), lies (Russ, Carole’s ex, tried to get with her: um no), lies (claims Doris on some level pursued Tipsy Girl so whyyyyyyy didn’t B rip a strip off of Doris, too?), lies (about the lawsuit, the bankruptcy, the parties she threw “everybody Wednesday for 12 years,” her fashion line, her marriage, her first marriage, her employment history, my fingers are getting tired). She lied - in front of LuAnn’s non-Housewife brunch guest, who is not thin, and that was no accident, because she is a BIG bitch - that she could always eat anything and is always thin but for the antidepressant she doesn’t need because she’s not depressed just totally super busy from getting dumped 13 years ago - like we don’t see her lipo scars during every vacation when she wears a bikini. Sonja lies about everything, and that is actually about literally true, and when that’s boring, she spreads rumors about everyone to gossip outlets for remuneration - favors, job security. She hasn’t had a scene without her lying. Not one. She’s extra. She may be certifiable, but she’s more fundamentally and certainly mean. I actually like that some are genuinely troubled by how angry Dorinda was from jump. I think the first trigger was that Dorinda was not eager to see Lu give shelter to more bullshit: she says, oh honey has had it so hard so that Sonja eventually backs Lu up and says, we should lay off of Lu and Tom. It’s so desperate of Lu. Every other divorced Ho on the show has been divorced more recently than Sonja: both of Lu’s. Tins. Beth. Ramona. Carole’s widowhood preceded Sonja’s divorce; Dorinda’s didn’t. I mean, this is just totally ridiculous and insulting. Either Sonja’s 5150 eligible, and any siblings should step in, or she can get read. Anyone else notice how Ramona’s eyes lit up when Dorinda’s rant got to “and you were fucking around in the South of France!” Like, Ramona’s eyebrows shot up as far as Botox allows, and she put on and wiped a smirk off her own face within a second. Um.