Midnight Cheese

I'm not bothered by how pissed Margarita was, nor at her behavior. Come on, no one has or would ever say in the middle of trying to design, "are you copying mine from last week?" No. It wouldn't happen, and it's never happened in the 10,000 accursed years I've been watching this show. If Claire Bear did any physical work of any kind off-hours, she is an absolute fraud, and that would be by FAR the most serious bad act ever on the show - past Kevin bullying Starr and defacing a pic of Wendy's kid, Keith sneaking in pattern books, Kara Saun getting a massive help with her budget from a known shoe designer, and Jeffrey maybe getting help and faking lost receipts. Claire and Shaun have already IMO strained nerves beyond what's fair with all the screaming and "helping" one another. Basta! And all for a "win"-ing design I could buy at Ann Taylor Loft. Fashun.

I believe Carole gave to a charity focused on "sato" dogs. I'm so impressed with her, Tins, LuAnn and Dorinda for being generous without looking for reflected glory. Bethenny's consistent, hard work has moved me beyond words. It's next-level for ANY famous person to show such commitment, and I can't praise her enough. Hope this is the right place for this, since we are having a conversation here, while Sonja's thread is as dead as her prospects: I read something that made me think of Sonja and her history with Trump, discussed very much on the show, and her own charitable history, and her attitude during the reunion when Andy entertained the q on voting. So Sonja did her sloppy song and dance non-answer about her vote, remember? And of course has bragged a ton about knowing Trump and "consulting" for him. So. I've read literally twice in the last week on other boards separate accounts from women who worked in event planning for the big charity events in NYC in the late 80s and 90s. Both said separately that no one either in "society" or out of it, if invited to the events DJT got invited to, wanted to be at his table. They wrote that for years on end- whether he was married to either of his first two wives, or while he was single, the task of placecards at dinner tables for charity was a nightmare, because literally no one would voluntarily sit with him -- regardless of political affiliations, or their respective industries. It made me think of Sonja again, and of how thoroughly fake everything about her is. She brags about things that people who known better instantly recognize as total lies. So I knew that while no other HW has ever been front-row to old NYC society as Sonja was during her second marriage to a Morgan, that she would never do anything real for any charity, ever. Anyway, it made for some interesting reading, and I'm guessing all of B's assistants have a note reading "don't bother!" next to Sonja's name when it comes to helping anyone else, at any time.

I praised her before for this, and will forever. I have family there, too, and am lucky that i have been able to talk to them. It's horrendous, and wonderful to see someone use her financial power for enormous good. Is Dennis's company one of her hashtags? She wrote that 99% of those asked said no?? My God.

Yes they are!!! Unrelated, but we are all civil rights experts on the internet.... I think your Island will need a rush hour ferry service. I'll bring the SPF 50 and some Red Stripe.

Ahem, and getting likes for calling a bimbo a bimbo, thank you very much! I'm not yet convinced Sonja didn't try to sign her name with a heart and a "call me, Donnie!" on her ballot in the event that POTUS and FLOTUS formally end things. She ain't ever been mad about sloppy seconds or sloppy narratives about business success in '90s NYC...believe me! We're talking Howives here. Let's not leap into Victim Canyon unless you were on one of the sofas trying to not be blinded by Ramona's gleaming faux funbags. Ha! And ITA.

LuAnn, Ramona and Sonja disgust me. Bimbos with no guts. Unsurprising but still. Sonja, he wouldn't even tap you as his backup side piece, and you did no consulting work for him in the 90s, unless "consulting" is now spelled f-e-l-l-a-t-i-n-g. (I am and have been so happy, though, that I am no longer reading constant snide references to the hats at the Women's March in these threads, embedded in constant attacks on Carole's appearance. I don't know what's up but I love it.)

Ramona should star in 60 and Pregnant. That tum-ta-tum-tum-tum* is outta control. Character-wise, she's a shart in human form, but what's new? (Not Sonja's dress, which she obviously stole from the understudy to Jill St. John in "Diamonds Are Forever," back when sexy J was also learning about playing the ponies and restaurant consulting, when she was a tween living upstate.) * meant to evoke the gentle rhythm of Sisqo's "Thong Song"

Sonja only got thrown a bald bonja by terrible, awful, no good, very bad Tom once every two years. I thought B's hockey player didn't deserve her dumb and thinks-she's-cool objectification but that man is indeed FOINE, teef or no teef. She looked great at the party but was a petty, nasty viper bitch about Tinsley. It's pathetic. Nothing's ever enough to make her not spray misery. I loved Dorinda's look at the party, and her saying directly if theoretically drunkenly that Sonja wasn't gracious. Understatement. Ramona looked glittery and like an about to rupture cheap-assed balloon. Ugly. Tacky. Vile to the end. "What's wrong with me?" Well, I don't have forever, so let's just say everything, because it's true. Enjoy your lonely life! Tinsley and Scott are cute. Can we stop saying she never thanked or gave ungrateful Sonja a gift when she's shown giving her stuff on camera before Mexico? The party was really nice. Which is unfortunate. Sonja is worthless. Beneath contempt and not cute. Also, wash your drawers.

For all the skin gurus who also know the timelines - did Ramona for sure have a second procedure besides the gnarly chemical peel she had in anticipation of her birthday? Isn't it better to not do such intense procedures within a few weeks or even months of one another?

Yup. But I'm pretty sure Face Sitting has a separate entry under Special Skills in Sonja's otherwise sparse CV. And either John A. Morgan or the first husband she pretends doesn't exist - got "loyalty" in their respective divorces from Sonja. I am thrilled that more and more viewers seem to be seeing what Sonja is and has always been - an absolute nasty cretin who lives to try and look good next to Ramona. I know not everyone likes Tinsley, but Sonja's being a real wad. I'm pretty sure it's because Tinsley comes by being spoiled somewhat honestly. Not a good look. But Sonja comes by hers on her back and on the back of a second divorce decree older than her fridge's yellow ice dispenser.

I'm always interested in the bags and clothes our Hos pack for their trips. - I assume she had more but it looked like LuAnn had a purse and a duffel, which SHE carried. Yet she was first to get in a swimsuit and coverup and in her jumpsuit despite creeping Defcon 1 Tequila Tragidrunkenness. Props. - Carole looked like she was wearing a cool cotton top, white jeans, sneakers. Her swimsuit was awesome. Her dinner outfit was super beekeeper/lepidopterist but hey. - Tinsley's dinner dress was very The Mandrell Sisters. She needs to reconsider all of her choices but she is somehow cute-adjacent despite some of the clothes. She looked great in sunglasses, wedges, jeans and her white top. - Bethenny's diamond necklace is exquisite. She looks sick, she is sick, but still looks like she packed like a sane person - cotton clothing, leaving all that Balmain shite in her closet in NYC. - Didn't see enough of Doris but she loves that vintage Pucci, Missoni look...two thumbs way up - The two-headed twuntsters: where to start. Giant giant bags for five days. Ramona's beekeeper hat, failing to obscure her weeping face. Her bragging about getting two pointless pairs of mid-range suede mules and Sonja's eagerness about it was kind of everything. You know they're volume shoppers, no taste. The Whores R'Us (tm Butter Queen) dinner outfits spell it out so clearly. Ramona always wears those shitty cover ups and suits with at least one detail too many. Same for her partner in grime. It's just kind of funny - actual Tevas are very fashiony now. They always look so lost, on their respective best days.

And Tinsley was, ultimately, quite charitable with Sonja. She gave her a storyline (besides her evergreen SL about fucking one dude and lying about it to another in order to get dinners paid for), Tins gave decent advice about stemming her references regarding Tom in front of Lu, defended Honja during Dorinda's rant-n-read in the Hamptons - all to be treated with disdain and malice by Sonja. ITA that Tinsley seems pretty nice in a clueless, grew up with a degree of privilege kind of way. The fits are not a good look but hell, she was likely full of tequila and realizing how nasty Sonja has been. Honja is every bit as vile as Ramona, to me.

Her one job - besides semi-willing bedmate to septuagenarian Daddy Warbucks - involved breathing through her nose. Ho-nja needs to take a stadium full of seats. You don't get fired from a restaurant for how you handle reservations for rich dude customers unless you're also trying to handle their very much married scrota. Scroll down... http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/social-diary/2009/memories-are-made-of-this If I had a time machine I'd travel to that gorgeous place and offer Dorinda all the booze on the planet if she'd chuck Dragonja (LOVE IT!) and their purses into the waters below. One only regrets what she didn't do, Dorinda!

Now I cain't say this reflects well on me, but Ramona's tapioca-faced slow-mo implosion feels like heaven. Dudes, it's awesome. Like many of you, my trench mates, I've watched the great beast be intensely delusional about her dong-slinging husband, her social stature, and how well her foobs fooled sighted folk. I've watched the dragon call a lovely young woman "deformed" and Tweet a video showing an underage idiot kid acting like an idiot, leading to her dismissal from school. I've watched her scream at and throw a goddamned glass at another woman's face and then go for the oar, like some mythical PCP-fueled monster requiring Tazing before apprehension. I hate her and watching her humiliation is like chocolate cake to the power of the greatest orgasm ever attained. To quote a certain Fredo, I LOVE IT! I actually thought Tinsley's disastrous approach to dating was a little heart-warming. She and that man are cute together. What can I say. I love love. Since I love love, I love the idea of Sonja babbling about Lost Love Five Lays In Ten Years Tom. Ho-Nja is going to get the cobwebs beaten clean out of her one day when she pulls that shit with the wrong woman. I passed that steakhouse today and looked inside to see if Ramona was still there, belching wine like a bigger-titted Andy Capp. No luck. But Royal 35 is supposed to be a good place, so thanks for the tip, Doris. And I like you but shut your maw about other people's aesthetic choices, damn.

I have broken the rewind button on the remote watching Beth react and not react to Ramona. I also would pay for an extended scene - no, make it a Fanny and Alexander-length movie, please - of Bethenny's amused reactions to the increasingly bugged-out, desperate Ramona. Oh my. More, please! More, more, more! Beth's imitation of Ramona's dry-eyed sobbing over poor tragic Mario's escape to freedom...MORE! I NEED to see it. I need to see a parade of women laughing and pointing at Ramona. Like the shower scene in Carrie, only, you know, merited and awesome. You wanna sell a line of horseshit about how you tried to save this man from non-marital opposite sex genitalia after sneering at other people's marital troubles? Get bent, ya bitch. I liked Carole a lot this episode, and Tinsley and Dorinda. Goddamn, do I hate Sonja. She's such a bad person! To parade and preen in fancy pjs/lingerie belonging to her hostess; to rifle through closets and drawers and take with the perspective of pure entitlement - I HATE HER. I have NEVER thought she was anything but a user. It's maddening that Lu gets the brunt of the shaming because Sonja was literally fired from her job for hitting on the married clientele in her pre-Morgan days. She's horrible to Tinsley. She's horrible to all women. I'm without words to express how wrong the pajama stunt is AFAIC. It's, I don't know, cruel. The smirking while wearing them- it's so clearly LOOK HOW MUCH CUTER I AM! That she likely didn't know the provenance just doesn't matter - it became irrelevant the second she started pawing through Do's stuff. Sonja is no fucking different than one of those sociopaths in The Bling Ring. Except older. Way, way older.

I have shown my gullibility bigly here...to me the account was credible unlike the obviously parodic Donn Gunvalson and Lee Radziwill accounts - those are funny. In this one, for instance, the person compliments a Potomac Housewife for playing college ball, posts a pic of Carol Hoppy holding Bryn with a sincere reading Happy Mothers Day message - I can accept it's not him if I must but it reads to me still like it is, with the plausibile deniability of him/whoever putting in the parody disclaimer. It's disturbing in any event!

Not trying to show off my densensss but are we sure it's not him? I think it is him. Just putting it out there!

I really dislike Beth but I have come around to how scary Jason is. I cannot remember where I first saw this, but yesterday, I read through his Twitter. He seems unstable to me, like he hasn't moved on at all, like he's stoking his anger, but he's vaguely aware that that's a bad look, so he's playing like his account is a parody. It isn't. He's included, if you look from the first tweet to now, her alleged surgeries, her alleged Adderall* and HgH use, opinions about her relationship with Bernadette -- NONE of that is called for. I'm (stupidly, admittedly) shocked. He loved her. This shit is untoward. It's not toward. They share a daughter. https://mobile.twitter.com/thehoppydiaries?lang=en * but am simultaneously grossed out by her daring to comment on Jules and Adderall. Heal thyself and all that.

Well, that sucked. Meandering, queso-tastic music montage, no Oleg, and no answers about Stan's annoying girlfriend. Ugh.

I remember that scene as George talking about squirting, and that Carole's reaction was very much, vom. Up until then, she was cheerfully going along to get along, I think. ITA that something about Tins' nose screams Not From Nature, and it makes me see her as not all that, but I like her pretty well, feel badly that she's fending off Sexy J's panicked jealousy, and I didn't get squicked out by her bowling date. Age be a bitch but Ramona looks so bad... haw-haw! Loved so much your poetic post, Zaldamo, about Aesop's fable and Ramona's attempted ho shit, trying to nab Milosz because the women thought he'd like Sonja. Ramona is so sad, and I'm loving it. #freeCoco

Ramona's so sad but also *creepy* - it's legit unnerving to read about her Wonk Face, PI work between seasons to find ammo against other women. It's not cute. She's an evil, cruel walking bag of shit with Janice the Muppet's eyelash situation. I'm generally not here for Beth but if she were to let fly with what she's heard from the chick Mario humiliated her with, I'd eat my weight in Skinnygirl popcorn. And I do not generally take up for those who pull a Mario but damn. The fact that he got out of their marriage without catching a homicide charge is amazing.

This she-shoulda-gone-to-rallies! stuff about Carole is a leetle BEC, right? She knocked on 40 more doors than I did, and I've done some not-easy activist work and GOTV campaigning in tough places. I can't take anything away from someone's heartfelt efforts, nor from her admiration for the values her own mother passed down. To make a tenuous connection between the ep and the thread...I think Carole and America's Girl Crush, Sally Yates, are gonna be on the right side of history, to use Carole's confessional phrasing.....

Thanks to The Mole for the info! I think it's interesting that from what you saw/wrote, Sonja's viciousness was edited out. I think Sexy J earned what she got. If you're saying publicly that someone else's relationship is coke-based and they are trashy and tacky and beneath you, someone else publicly saying incredibly nasty stuff about your sessy times cannot be a surprise. Sonja's Who Me? I'm Tragic and Wasted shtick would get real old with a quickness for a lot of people if they were reading her shitting on them constantly and then lying about it. She's a liar. She's getting more of what she deserves over time. I imagine her ex having his great-great-great grandchildren show him how his DVR works and laughing at her weekly as he enjoys a bowl of Werther's Originals and a lukewarm mug of Postum. And yeah, Sonja told Tinsley while walking to Luann's newly renovated and fairly new house for brunch that she would "meet" Lu's famously fuckedaround ex at their (presumably other, years prior, different town) Hamptons house and be with Lu's kids. She used the present tense and the past tense in the same sentence. Um. I know Lu is an ass-ache but come on! I would feel feelings -- not good ones -- if a psychoticly competitive woman who was literally fired from a job for husband-frottaging kept saying stuff on camera of that ilk, that she was "taking care of" my family in my absence. Unless I'd actually died, and even in that instance, I would have to haunt my husband from The Great Beyond, It's Hot In Here division, and tell him to play very safely and to not give her any PINs and not let her ever load the dishwasher or handle laundry... A lot of interesting stuff about John and Dorinda. I do imagine she's in the relationship because they care about each other. I imagine she is in mourning. I can't imagine what she felt, and to be honest, hers is the widow's tale I'm curious about. Dorinda found what sounds like intense love in middle age, and it was cut brutally short. She's rough at times and it is hard to imagine her chemistry with a nerdy econ brain, but there seems to be a lot to Dorinda - her pride in how she got the Berkshires home, the obvious wealth that goes into that place, the prickly but loving relationship with her daughter, who did well enough in school to get into Johns Hopkins. It's an intriguing story for me.

I'm so not surprised. If anyone can find that podcast would you mind posting it? Of course that Ho can't Rinna it up and OWN IT, BABY. Ramona's such a POS. 60 years drawing breath through those increasingly we-don't-speak nostrils and managing to not learn anything about honesty and decency. Of course she's lying about this. Did you know her bolt-ons are real, she's got a hickey situation requiring her to raid Johnny Depp's scarf closet on the regular, Mario never cheated but for the last one, and Avery's friends think she's not like a regular mom, she's like a cool mom? Trooper York, I loved that Parkside scene. I thought they had fun. I don't remember anyone, even the ones I don't like, acting too good for the experience. But maybe I'm misremembering.

Dorinda's a conundrum. I'm as naive as a baby, or one of Carole's Baby cats or pup, so I've never been around a committed cokey type. But yeah, she gets intense. But! She was very loyal to Jules. She said kind words about the Singers as a married couple. She makes lots of, IMO, pretty deft points: I know LuAnn's Be Like A Lady schtick wears thin, and I liked that Dorinda responded to the tsk tsk stuff with, I've seen you get upset when your guy's insulted, so knock it off. Fair and accurate. She's been open and nice to Tinsley. I have no doubt she is impressed by John's business, which is well-established. And I like a lot of her taste. Her Berkshires house is my second favorite RHONY setting, after Lu's Sag Harbor home.