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There was a lot of non romantic love, I think, from Albert and Cole and even Diane to Ben's exasperated love for Jerry. Lucy and Andy. That conversation Frank had with Harry. Catherine Coulson/Log lady. Norma's love for her' family'. A lot of people, actors and characters, who have known each other a long time.

I haven't rewatched the episode yet, I've been immersed in the confusion of Twin Peaks, the Return. Still, the way Logan's leaning into the kiss shows that girl didn't just accidentally fall on his lips. Logan was a riot at the funeral, but very well played. Hysterical edge well balanced. In the finger gun scene he seems so physically small, I've noticed this in other shots of Dohring when he's clothed, there is a picture of him with the male cast of I zombie at some gym and the same thing strikes me. I think it is the relatively small head. Is the avocado/yellow/orange pallet in Mars Investigations supposed to indicate the office hadn't been redecorated since the 70s? Might make sense..... The Honda doesn't seem like Lilly, does it? They are good visual aids. I think Lilly is represented as someone who would have been the girl everyone wanted to be with if she had been poor. Intensely charismatic and maybe a lot less confident than she seemed to others. I've known similar people and many of them feel that one of their faults is their need to be loved all the time by everyone.

on 25yearslater.com at https://25yearslatersite.com/2017/09/05/well-that-was-predictable-the-incredible-ending-of-the-return/ which is a good article, in the comment section, someone placed this link and it is perfect. this is a short, award winning movie called 'the door of the Law'. It's based on a story of Kafka's. It's worth watching in any case but it is exactly what is evoked by episode 18. Lynch seems to like Kafka, this may be intentional.

In my personal headcannon evil is a hologram and shattering it wouldn't break it, it would just allow it to spread faster and maybe in ways that aren't completely detectable. Hydra! Then the way to counter it is to shatter Brigg's giant head, so that good can take root as well. Freddie's next task. I think that 17 was the satisfying superhero ending we all wanted so really I suspect that Bob was smashed and his works undone in our twin peaks, but not in all twin peaks.

If only I could get a sample of evil I'd run a few tests!

Every once in a while I think of the Roadhouse as being one of those Inn Between the Worlds sorts of places, so yeah. I think that could probably be a series. I don't know if it would be a really successful one but I could see it as being the center of the comic book continuation, because it would provide a portal to the different universes that was always open. Sort of a Cooper as Doctor thing. (Audrey as River Song, Laura as ...oh, nevermind)

Okay, has anyone read the Dark Tower? (I didn't see the movie). I mean the whole series of books by Stephen King, which contain Stephen King as a character and are really about writing books. I think this season of Twin Peaks is like that. Dale/Richard continues, a slightly different character in a slightly different world, part of a slightly different story, still a hero on his journey. Laura is still there, but different. Diane/Linda may play a smaller or larger part in this next story. Dale has gone through the lodges and achieved immortality, at least an immortality of sorts. Laura may, in fact, wake up as her mother is calling her and Bob may exit Leland when he dies in the future. Dale still has a story to get through, forever, as the archetypical hero. So, anyone for a rewatch?

She did chain smoke and drink before Laura's death. I always assumed it was Leland's behavior and an indication that she knew what he was doing to Laura but was unwilling, for some reason, to stop it. So feeding on her makes sense, she would shine like a beacon to any hungry entity that feeds on such things. Stabbing the picture may also mean something specific, since she doesn't injure the picture and we would have seen it shred under the chef's knife. I don't know what.

One of the reddit people commented that Odessa's patron animal is the bunny and they have bunny related festivals. I dunno. There are a bunch of highly complex theories floating around, like the last episode happens before the first episode. I can see that, too, but I think Lynch would have been clearer about it, something at the end indicating time. They are fun but none are actually satisfying.. I don't think, as so many people seem to, that Mark Frost is a huge force for normal storylines and behavior, but the book may at least resolve some of these issues, although probably not the way we want it to.

That's possible, I suppose. Actually, while Ben, Audrey and Jerry are all played by hugely charismatic actors their plot lines were all in the reality based twin peaks plots, like ghostwood and the mills and the pine weasels. Audrey gets into the bordello at one point, of course. Still none of them are huge players in the supernatural lodges game, which is what the third season is mostly about, I think, hence the relatively limited attention paid to any of the Hornes (except evilcrazypants, of course). However it is a great basis for a fan fiction, you should write it! Include where Johnny got that genuinely terrifying teddy bear.

I still haven't rewatched this episode, may even be a little reluctant to do so, or need a buffer of another day or two, however, it really really does explain a lot and wraps things up neatly enough so you can call it finished.

I think that the big head behind Dale as he does his I am the hero, I have arrived show in the Sheriff's Station, is an indication of that. He is a bigger than life hero. With Janey-E and the Kids, too. Honestly, we never see Dale really have coffee and pie. Well, he'd been watching Evil Himself do horrible things for 25 years and that has to take a lot of of him, to begin with. It seemed to me he had found something he needed in Twin Peaks, not (lord help us) Annie, but the bookhouse boys and Harry. Maybe he had it with Cole et al, once upon a time. I don't think the character does well on his own.

the muddling I see is that the mysteries you indicate, and the other ones, like how does a teenage girl confront the evil of her father's abuse and how does she maintain relationships with her friends while hiding the things that have happened to her? Have gotten muddled. Was Leland evil, as many men are, and protected by the norms of society, or was he an innocent possessed by Bob? Julee Cruise and Eddie Vedder is an artistic choice :-) not a muddle and I suspect that it has something to do with what was happening in Audrey's mind. I would say that Audrey was injured in the blast, raped by Cooper while in a coma or soon after, raised her child somewhere and is an exasperation to her father, like Jerry and Johnny. Damaged by rape. Possibly mentally unbalanced, it does run in the family. Maybe if Cooper had shown up and stayed at the great northern she would have seen him but he didn't. And/or she is one of the people (Audrey 2)in some other dimension dreaming of this one and the Road House is a kind of way station between the worlds. Does anyone wonder about the dead guy in Laura's house, Page's house. Because I wonder about it. She is clearly abused and messed up in this world, too.

I think you are right, and that didn't occur to me. Her restaurants are dopplegangers. Evil ones that corrupt pie!

I suppose Lucy was somehow stuck in the past, and poor Andy with her, so she could be at the right place to get that call. Now she can man the full switchboard and the sheriff's department will save money by dropping a position? Diane remembers everything, so presumably she remembers Cooper raping her. Does she also remember everything her tulpa did? It seems to me that Cooper probably experienced what Dark Cooper was doing, at least while he was in the lodge. This is a whole lot to process, people. I wonder what Dougie does with these memories? Be happy to not be having adventures anymore? Also, the guy who was ripping off his own face? WTF was the point? I think the set up for episode 18 is that Cooper has lost Laura, he has the coordinates to find her given to him at some time or another.

I already wrote and lost a long message, so irritating. Also, this story was shot, a lot of it, in the almost complete dark. I understand HDR, but still, really? However the room he opened with the 315 key was past electrical boxes, in the basement of the Great northern. I think they reused the keys. No idea how he found it, maybe the hum. I guess the 315 room was a teleporter, like Evil Coop used to get from Wyoming to the Sheriff's Station in Twin Peaks. Jerry! I suspected the Hornes would get some sort of resolution, and the resolution is that life goes on and Ben will just clean up after them and be exasperated. Dune is all exposition, it always has been part of Lynch's fabric, but this also was the last time we saw the FBI group. Tammy stayed quiet, this was Albert and Cole. "I couldn't do it." "You're getting soft" "Not where it counts." "I understand." "I know you do." There is a lot of love and respect and demonstration of that relationship there, and I have no issues with them going out on that note, with a little exposition thrown in. speaking of Dune, the big cooper head translucency seems to me very ;much like Dune. He was leaving and in this moment, because of what he was doing, he would be remembered as something greater than a man. Not that he wanted that. My problem with Judy and the idea that we are all the pawns of these forces is that it is taking away some of the meaning of the show. Sarah Palmer, and count me confused about her scene stabbing that picture, earned a lot of pain. Husband rapes and kills daughter, rapes her, good reasons why she would sit in the dark and drink and smoke herself to death (along with beef jerky, which is probably carcinogenic, nitrites). So, she's just possessed by an evil spirit? Huh? I guess Judy is the white blobby thing, so it did come up a few times. No one will convince me that the tea kettle is not deliberately a tribute to Bowie. It is the Tin Machine.

I may, too, although my first choice was log lady. This sounds simpler and one would always have bob to talk to if conversation flagged.

That's life.

I haven't watched this. Damn it's a mormon show. Like battlestar galactica, which is deliberately based on Mormon lore (glen larson was Mormon). I'm not making some weird disparaging comment, they don't call it the first science fiction religion for nothing. The lost thirteenth tribe went to space.

The tulpa establishmed it as one of her skills. God, past or present?

I saw someone on the subway this morning who looked like Duncan Todd. Black baseball hat, black shirt, almost a members only jacket. Probably going to a job in the service industry. Also a Sontaran who had let himself go to hell. Its the morning after. Ill need to wach again, later today before I can form a coherent response I get involved in small parts of this show and then in the next part and it all seems episodic. Episode 17 was the end of the world as we know it I'm pretty clear the Audrey we watched live in the new world, which isn't our world because Cooper and 'Laura' drove by the RR diner. I think the roadhouse is a gateway but not sure it is important No one here has mentioned the dead man in faux Laura's house. Violence is still with them.

I think we were meant to see the difference between that scene and dougie' sex scene. When she sees herself leaving? She stays to figure out if she can stay?

I want these moments every week. I've enjoyed this forum and will miss it. I've enjoyed typing to everyone!

The bits of people's lives you overhear in a bar! But we met Richard Horne in the bar and saw more of him. Saw Shelly first as a glimpse in a bar. They are part of the real fabric of the town than what happens in a box. May or may not be meta. Probably means Audrey is not in a coma? Im not sure I have all the clues I need.

I get it, it is fictional. Still so much of it is a system that is a set up for Veronica if Jason dohring played the titular role would there be a problem? No just teenage Travis McGee here! It is so unusual to find a show where all of the men in the show tell a young woman what is wrong about her behavior and how she should listen to them. Refreshing! Usually young women are allowed to take risks and learn from their mistakes and are praised for their willingness to act decisively, with assurance and agency and independence. I wonder if there could be a hidden something hinted at in these exchanges? Is Veronica not the beneficiary of truly benevolent advice? Cannot be! oh the characters are different Keith is the good patriarchy and lamb the bad . If Logan truly believed Veronica was as strong as a man he'd have to admit his mom could have taken him and left Aaron. I have no issues with Wallace, who is adorable i just rewatched the twin peaks pilot. Doc haywards response to Donna's running away to see James after curfew showed so much respect and trust. Damn. Keith was not the best dad on tv.?