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I'm curious about this... Kody, yes, is obviously an asshole, just as surely as the sun sets in the west. But why do people hate Leon so much? I know when they were younger they were maybe a bit entitled (but that's not unusual with teens?) but I haven't seen them act in a really objectionable way on the show. That said, I didn't watch a couple of seasons and I don't follow them outside of the show, so... what am I missing??

As I catch up on this show now, I have a question about people's perceptions of Robyn that I hope y'all can answer for me. Why do people hate her so much? I want to be clear here: I do not like Robyn. Is she an opportunist? Yes. Did she exploit her position as favorite wife, other wives be damned? Seems like! Does she spend money in ridiculous ways? Uh huh. Are her eyebrows basically their own sentient entities at this point? Yes. Obviously. But I just don't see her as some Svengali puppetmaster who set out to seduce Kody and then pull all of his strings, decimating his family and rising as the only wife standing. For one thing, she just doesn't seem... that bright? Again, I completely get people not liking her, because I don't like her! But people's hatred of her seems to be on par with their hatred of Kody, which I really don't get, because I just hate Kody so. much. What am I missing here?

You know you've been watching too much of this show when someone at work asks your opinion of something and your first impulse is to reply, "I fill like it's a bunch of bull-crap."

OH MY GOD YOU WEREN'T WRONG!!!

I've heard "neurospicy" too. :) I want to be clear, though, that I'm absolutely not saying that Truely is neurodivergent -- I have no idea, I'm not a psychologist, and even if I were I would never try to "diagnose" a child from a TV show alone! I just meant that she reminds me so, so much of my own ND kid. Truely definitely seems like a quirky, weird, sweet, smart kid like mine, and she just has a special place in my heart for that.

There were so many unintentionally hilarious moments in this episode. Jenelle saying "Yay!" about Christine's house, and Kody replying, bewildered, "What do you mean 'yay'??" Just his delivery of that line had me howling. Then Robyn implicating Jenelle in the discussion of who was in a happy marriage in Vegas -- quick cut to Jenelle in a TH saying "I want no part of this conversation." LOL. And then the previews where Kody is stomping and bloviating like a character in a Tennessee Williams play. 10/10 would watch again.

Omg, Meri "Banana Fellatio" Brown talking about how angry she is that Christine is opting out of the family...Flames, on the sides of my face... Robyn is ridiculous, obviously, but I will begrudgingly say that she made a couple of good points in this episode. Kody didn't fight for his relationship with Christine, and he's not putting any effort into the ones he has left. He ignores Meri completely, isn't staying at Jenelle's, and it sounds like he's a sullen mess at Robyn's. He needs to stop walking around angry and start taking some accountability (ha!).

It includes people on the spectrum but also people who have ADHD, social learning disorder, and other types of conditions where their mental functioning works a bit differently.

I'm coming into this season over a year later, but: evergreen.

Christine has never been my favorite person, but I have to say she's been handling Kody masterfully in their one-on-one conversations. It feels like she's had a lot of therapy and/or has read up on the technique of gray rocking.

I have to say, in the midst of this trainwreck of a show, I have such a soft spot in my heart for little Truely, who reminds me so much of my own neurodivergent kid who's around the same age (I'm not suggesting that Truely is ND! Just that she reminds me of my kid who is) and who has such a sweet and sensitive heart. I know people are focusing on the fact that Kody was never around anyway, so this won't be a huge change for Truely, but she's also being taken from an extended family structure that she's known for her whole life. Don't get me wrong: Christine was 110% right to make this decision, and she should have done it yeeeeears ago, but... yeah, just a twinge in my heart for Truely.

I hate him so much already, I don't know how it could get worse - but I believe you! At this point, I'm watching for the amazing schadenfreude of seeing all the [non-Robyn] wives scurry away like rats from a sinking ship.

Yes! Catching up on the show now, and as of Season 17, Kody is saying that his relationship was Meri isn't a husband/wife relationship and that it isn't fulfilling for Meri. He doesn't seem to care to do anything about that, and isn't even pretending that he was still going over to her house. Arguably, he's been nudging Christine out for years as well. He he hasn't even tried to hide his disdain for Christine or the fact that he doesn't love her and isn't attracted to her. For. Years. In the episode where Christine tells him she's leaving and he asks her not to, she literally says "Do you love me?" and he can't even answer in the affirmative. What on earth does he expect!? This passive aggressive, selfish manchild makes me SO angry.

He does this thing where it's everybody else's fault but his that he doesn't have a relationship with his [non-Robyn] kids. I screamed at the screen so many times this episode.

Drink every time Kody gets one of his kid's ages wrong!

Update: I started with season 17, and this is GOOD STUFF. It’s truly (truely?) a level of wish-fulfillment for viewers that I never thought I’d see. That said, I have a crucial question: when did Robyn start adopting the aesthetic of a cartoon villain?

OH MY GOD, YOU GUYS. I'm just catching up on this season now, so I realize I'm very late to the party, but holy shit, this episode was riveting. Someone needs to turn that scene between Christine and Kody into a one-act play. I don't even particularly like Christine, and I hate that there are children involved in this but... MAN. So much wish-fulfillment for the viewers on this one.

Crucial question: I finally have some time to catch up on this shitshow over the holidays but I'm a few seasons behind. Where do I need to start? I was just going to dive into the current season, but the episode descriptions for Season 17 make it seem pretty juicy...

My armchair-psychologist take on this is that the Richards sisters had a pretty messed up childhood, and Kim responded by turning to alcohol, while Kathy responded by marrying rich and lording her power over others. (FWIW, I do not think Kathy is a nice person.) I would guess that, for a long time, Kyle's solid marriage and the energy she threw into raising her girls, as well as her self-perceived role as Kim's "caretaker," helped her to keep her shit together. But now, Kyle's marriage is on the rocks, her youngest is almost out of the house, and her best friend just died by suicide. I think she is legitimately spiraling. I really don't think this is an act for the show. And, yes, I know Kyle can be an asshole. I've been calling Kyle an asshole since she stole Brandi's crutches! But I still feel compassion for what she's going through. It's still very hard to watch.

I don't like Kyle, but I also find it very hard to see her like this. Nobody deserves to lose their best friend that way.

My guess is that it's her parentified older daughter. :(

My luxury is full-on mute at this point, but I did get many compliments on the Old Navy blazer I wore to work the other day. I do have to take Heather's side in Sexgate. It's gross to ask someone on camera (or...at all, frankly) for details of their daughter's sex life. I don't know that I'd share something like that with my close friends, much less a national audience. (And I do think Heather saying to her daughter "get drunk and have sex!" while not being something I would say to my kid on camera, is very different from talking about actual sex that the kid is or is not having.) Further, I think Heather has a point that "When was the last time you had sex?" is a much different question for a single woman. What ever way Heather answers that question, she's going to get flack from someone! True, she does make sexual comments frequently but I think talking about balloons looking like balls or whatever is, again, very different from talking about sex that you are personally having or not having. That said, Heather lost me with her comments about Monica not being single. I don't like Monica at all, and I generally like Heather, but that was uncalled for. If Monica's separated from her husband and considers herself single, who is Heather to say otherwise? Heather came across as really judgmental there. I, too, would love to see the text messages between Monica and her relatives, as it seems like we're missing a chunk of information here. Maybe there was a bunch of fourth-wall stuff in there that they couldn't show, or maybe Monica's just a lying liar who lies (or both!), but hopefully shit will come to light at the reunion.

"Vow renewal"

The editors could have gone all-out with the pirate theme and titled this episode The Hills Have Ayes.

Just when I thought I had gotten used to Whitney’s fillings and dillings with theengs, she pronounces the word “spirit” as “spit”?? ”In the spit of being honest…” GIRL.