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I don't care if it makes me a bad person, but this will never not be funny to me.

I feel like the biggest Mom in the world, but my primary reaction to this episode was the following: Sexually harassing service employees (male or female) is incredibly not cool, and pushing people into pools is incredibly dangerous.

Please, somebody take one for the team and go see this show and report back, so we can snark on it. Please? I am grotesquely fascinated.

It's like... I can look at the others, and yes they are terrible, bit I can also see semi-redeeming qualities. Heather is an out-of-touch rich lady, but she does seem genuinely supportive of her kids. Shannon is a bottomless pit of need, but she isn't actively mean; she does seem to care about other people. Gina has no storyline beyond her vocal fry, but her TH's, at least in past seasons, have been funny. Emily is a shit stirrer but she can be funny and relatable. (Taylor who?) But Tamra? Nothing.

I... don't know how confident Emily is. And I don't mean that in a negative way. Many of us are not confident and body-positive when it comes to ourselves! But, like you say, she's lost a lot of weight -- which is totally her prerogative and fine! No bodies are bad bodies! However, it does suggest that she didn't love her body the way it was. Twice now she's also read fat-shaming microaggressions into statements that were not at all fat-shaming microaggressions: first, when Heather made the comment about the pastries being like Emily's luscious boobs, and then when Heather made the Snuffleaupagus comment -- which (see above) seemed to be about Emily's damaged nose (??) and not at all about her weight. Heather may be many things, but I've never heard her make any negative comment about another housewife's size ever. I think even Heather is self-aware enough to know how terrible the optics of that would be.

I love the idea of Snuffleupagus as some sort of literary device, like a MacGuffin or Chekov's gun. I can't bring myself to go back and watch any of this again... but did anyone catch the actual context in which Heather referred to Emily as "Snuffleupagus"? It seemed to be something related to Emily damaging her nose when she jumped into the cenote? Is that correct?

Ok, now I desperately need a GIF of Shannon saying "Never mix, never worry."

Jenn is really in a no-win situation. If she stays silent or plays it cool, the other women will harangue her about having "no emoooootionnnn" and Tamra will keep nipping at her until Tamra gets what she wants, which is a reaction. But if Jenn does respond, and gives Tamra that reaction, then Tamra will prolong the interaction for drama points, and the "Ryan is an asshole" storyline will get more airtime. Also, having a male partner who sucks is a grand tradition on this show, hearkening back to Slade, Jim Bellino, and Matt Keough. And it's not like this current crop of women has a track record for picking such winners. Shannon's ex-husband was unfaithful and participated in a seriously disturbing nude photo shoot I will never unsee. Gina's ex-husband was physically and verbally abusive. Vicki has dated cheaters and cancer-scammers. Folks are starting to come around on Emily's husband now, but consensus for years was that he was an asshole. All of the pearl-clutching about Jenn's boyfriend is absolutely ridiculous. People in glass houses!!

Ha, you're right. As I was writing the comment, I was thinking, "Well, in a crude sense, that's probably exactly what she did." My first thought was actually that she looks like a drag queen, but then I realized that's an insult to drag queens.

I mean, it's Tamra so there didn't necessarily need to be a reason she went after Jenn. She's willing to go for anyone's jugular for anything at any time, with zero impetus, just to hold onto her orange.

I agree with you about Tamra, but holy fuck that photo of Vicki is the stuff of nightmares! She looks like she's peeled off someone else's face and sewn it on as her own.

Sai can be annoying, but I got the sense that she was joking when she made that comment about working at Sears being a hardship.

As a sociologist I wholeheartedly agree!

At this rate we may not know for decades. Apparently new evidence in the Kennedy assassination has only recently come to light.

I've been a defender of this cast, and I still do think that some of them are naturally funny and interesting, but ... this episode. Oof. You know it's bad when I start nostalgically yearning for Turtle Time.

He needs to get together with the cooks from the ranch they visited and do an aftershow. I will say, I found it refreshing to see a RHW bring her mom on the show and not throw mom under the bus about giving her an awful childhood.

110%!!! Emily (and to a lesser extent the other women) has been subjecting Heather to nasty little pin pricks all season. Don't get me wrong -- there are legitimate critiques to make about Heather! But Emily has been hypervigilant about Heather all season, looking for anything she says or does to be a "gotcha!" Also, Emily saying that Heather gets a pass for her bad behavior is interesting..... That may be true, but I actually feel like it's Emily who often gets a pass! She's relatable (I love food! I have cellulite! My kids annoy me!... I mean, I get it.) and she can be funny and probably lots of fun to hang out with, but she is such a shit-stirrer! She shit-stirs all. the. time. and nobody ever calls her out on it! Or if they do, she issues a quick apology and suddenly all is forgiven. Can you imagine if Heather had behaved that way at a party of Emily's? The women would have stuck her on a spit with an apple in her mouth. This!!! Of course Heather doesn't trust these women. I wouldn't tell Tamra my favorite color.

I understand why the women didn't attempt to carve traditional jack-o-lanterns, when Taylor is already the scariest jack-o-lantern of them all.

I'm sayin'!

Okay, unpopular opinion I guess...so, start sharpening your pitchforks.... but.....I don't think these women are that terrible, by RHW standards. Maybe it's just the New Yorker in me, but -- while, yes, these women are caustic, direct, and sarcastic, I don't think they're taking any of this too seriously. They seem to be just leaning into their roles and having fun. Overall, the conflicts and accusations are pretty low-stakes (e.g. Erin doesn't have food at events, Jenna is too self-promotional, etc.). Even the way they approached Jenna.... I agree with the poster above who said they likely don't have a full understanding of what's going on with her genetic disorder, and that Jenna seems to be much more forthcoming in her talking heads than she is with the women. In her conversation with Erin, she did seem to be brushing off the issue with her skin and suggesting that she was "really" leaving early to be in first class. Erin was a jerk for the way she relayed the conversation to the women, but, let's be honest: it's on tape. We all would have seen it whether Erin had said anything or not. And, Jenna is the one who relayed Jessel's "cackling h" remark to Erin, so it's not like Jenna is some saint who doesn't engage in the gossip herself. I can completely understand how filming a show like this might be nightmarish for someone who is an introvert, socially awkward, and possibly neurodivergent. 110% But.... it can be true that Jenna wrongly comes off as aloof and snobby when she's not and also that maybe (yes, get out your pitchforks!) she also is a little bit snobby (not for her flight preferences, but for assuming that folks have viewed multiple photos of her on red carpets, for instance.) And I say this as someone who actually really likes Jenna! She is fallible, as they all are. But what are they accusing her of, really? She gives away too many branded products? She's a diva for wanting to fly first class? (I don't agree with them about that, by the way.) Like, none of this is that deep. And I'm 100% sure that if Jenna just owned it and said "Yep, I wanted to fly first class because it's comfy!" they'd just laugh about it, drop it, and move on. Maybe this is a low bar, but they're not going after each other's children, marriages, finances, accusing each other of stealing houses, etc. Again, the stakes are low, and I'm enjoying that about the show. Everyone else seems to hate this reboot and these women, so I will sit at my table for 1 and sip my (non-Ramona) pinot grigio.

How can I ever watch Jessel again and not think of this descriptor? Amazing. 100%. I like Jenna too, but this move is Housewives 101. I found Bethenny really likable in her first season too.

Andy has to ask this at the reunion, right? Inquiring minds want to know!

I find it refreshing that these women are beautiful but they aren't accompanied by glam squads and that they are wearing stylish yet normal/casual clothing at the resort.

I *think* she was Tamra’s “friend” since they knew each other from Ultimate Girls Trip?

Thank you. I appreciate that, and I'm so sorry that happened to you as well. It seems like we can all agree that Tamra is terrible. And not just garden variety Real Housewife terrible but truly a level beyond that. If she doesn't get her comeuppance this season or on the reunion then... I don't even know, you guys. Let's get together and send her glitter in the mail or something.