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I did actually have that same thought.

I was totally shocked to hear PK say that he wanted to send the kids "back to public school." That just seems so off-brand for them!

Dorit's one of my least favorite Housewives, but I have to say that she looks absolutely gorgeous in jeans, a sweater, and glasses. I wish she'd stop messing around with fussy outfits and tinfoil in her hair, but I guess I don't understand faaaaashun.

I'm so interested in knowing the actual order of operations here. Did Kyle get wind that Sutton was going to use the cheating rumors as a plot point, and retaliate by bringing up Sutton's drinking? Or, did Sutton get wind that Kyle was going to use "Sutton's a drunk" as a plot point, and retaliate by bringing up the cheating rumors? The editing of the show makes it seem like the former, but perhaps it's the latter? Regardless, *reclines and lights up a J*, I'm immensely enjoying this season.

New Girl questioning Sutton's esophageal disorder was giving me "Dr. Terry saying Alexis's nose job had to be purely cosmetic" vibes. Has anyone else been around long enough to remember that episode of RHOOC or just me?

Was Mikey slightly less terrible in that scene than he usually is, or is it like the women's frozen, reworked faces where I've become so inured to them over time that they start seeming more and more okay and normal? FWIW, PK also seemed normal and reasonable in this episode...

I legit SCREAMED when Garcelle made that comment about Dorit still having all of her jewelry. And then Sutton's comment about maybe not being so picky if Dorit managed to fall in love with PK! The shade was OLYMPIC LEVEL in this episode. And I am here for it.

Touché!

That's almost too bad. Not that I'm a Vicki fan (is anyone?) but I think she works well as a Friend Of sometimes, in a jumpscare kind of way. Like, for the same reason someone would watch a spooky movie.

Is it bad that my first reaction to this news was a genuine “Who’s Jennifer?” Took me a minute…

I wonder if it says something about how boring Angie and her husband are that I became obsessed with the continuity errors happening behind them during their dinner. Another patron was there, then gone, then back again! The table behind them was cleared, then set, then cleared again!

Not a Meredith fan, but I loved that she kept casually churning the butter throughout multiple scenes because she didn't want to leave the chore undone.

@65mickey, I do think it's a good point that there's a racial dynamic here, with a white woman yelling at a Black kid that he's out of place. I was considering the incident through my own (privileged) lens as a white person/mother, but Garcelle is used to her kids being treated differently by larger society (and specifically the cast of this show). So I could see how this would land differently for her. That's a really fair point.

Okay, I'm going to say something, and I know I'm going to get excoriated but... *deep breath* .... here it goes: I don't think what Erika "did" to Jax was that bad. I say this as someone who generally likes Garcelle and loathes Erika. And I say this as a mother. It's not like Erika was yelling at Garcelle's son. She was telling him to "fuck off" in a lighthearted way -- I thought the gist seemed to be that she was saying what a good kid he was for hanging around and that he should go home. And this is not a 5-year-old. This is a teen. A teen who was raised in L.A., adjacent to the entertainment industry. Pretty sure he's heard the f-word a time or two. Hell, my 9-year-old has heard the f-work and knows what it means. She also know now what "DILF" means because she randomly read it on a bathroom wall, but I digress... Now, should Erika have said what she did? NOPE! If I had been Garcelle, I would have been pissed! But, for Garcelle to bring it up over a year later, after everyone's already apologized? For her to scold Dorit for not scolding Erika in the moment (again, over a year later)? For her to say that Erika should have apologized to her son (after telling the women that she didn't feel comfortable with them around her kids... Like, again, I haaaaate Erika, but I can understand why she wouldn't have approached Jax directly)? For Garcelle to compare the incident to Dorit literally being held at gunpoint in her home? Come on. Okay, commence throwing the tomatoes.

Yeah, I have to agree. I'm not a big Sutton fan, but this is the kind of content I tune in to see.

I don't want to be an ass, and I truly wish happiness for all, but I cannot work up the energy to care about Crystal's brother's ex-fiancee who didn't even consent to have her image on the show. I can barely work up the energy to care about Crystal's own plotlines ("What plotlines?" you ask) as she is such a non-entity on the show this season. What's next? A storyline about Dorit's thief's dog groomer? Sutton's ex-husband's urologist?

I feel like that could be read as Sutton not trying to make a scene. She didn't want her exit to become a "thing" on the show.

Oh I totally agree that this is what they do. Every decision is dissected, every minor comment debated ad nauseam. It must be exhausting to be on this show, knowing that any of your “friends” would turn on you, given the right conditions. I still think we can critique them for what they do.

The vibe I’m getting from the women is less “This is a change for you- I’m curious as to why you stopped” and more “This is weird and you’re no longer any fun.” YMMV.

Garcelle asked Kyle, about the drinking, “How much longer is this going to go on?” To me, that seemed unsupportive. Dorit bemoaned the fact that Kyle isn’t getting wild and crazy with her (aka drinking with her) on this trip. When the women were together in the morning talking about Kyle’s exercising and sobriety, Dorit said these things were “unsustainable.” Personally, I love a good drink! But if a friend told me they weren’t drinking anymore for health reasons I’d just say “great” and keep it moving. Of course, this is RHW, so standard rules of decorum will not apply…

I loathe Erika, so far be it from me to defend her, but I’m pretty sure she was joking about the God stuff.

I don’t know why that opinion would be unpopular! It’s really crappy the way the other women are going at Kyle for her sobriety, and acting like it’s some sign of dysfunction. Even Garcelle, from whom I’d generally expect better.

Perhaps I should ask a psychologist how to scrounge up some empathy…for Erika.

Right, I don't disagree with any of this. If anything, this supports my point that the "scene" wasn't made by Sutton leaving but rather by the women's reactions to it.

So... I buy that Sutton thought she knew what she was in for, with the show, and then found herself getting very uncomfortable. Personally, I'm as sex-positive as they come, but one time I attended a Magic Mike-type show and it made me extremely uncomfortable, personally. Like, there was something almost...predatory?... about it. And I've seen much more explicit shows in Amsterdam and not had this reaction. That's just me, though! No shade to anyone who enjoys Magic Mike! Also, I feel that Sutton didn't actually make a big show out of leaving. Yeah, maybe she could excused herself a bit more quietly. She could have said "I need to use the restroom" instead of flouncing out. But she specifically told Dorit not to follow her. It only became a "thing" because Garcelle went after her and kept talking to her about it. Moreover, she never asked Kyle to tell the other women that it was time to go! Where Sutton loses me is in being so judgmental. It's totally fine and valid to say "This isn't my cup of tea" and quietly excuse yourself. It is not fine to judge the other women for participating. It's obnoxious to rant about the American Ballet and it's shitty to say, "I'm not friends with women who do these things." You are not the arbiter of culture, Sutton!