Aeryn13

It could be only in 2022 so a long while. But, I mean, people on social media will surely move on to something else way before that. Now the Finale (and the horror) is still relatively fresh but I think within a month or so the worst of it will die down.

Hopefully, everyone will move on sooner rather than later.

Getting that across would have been the job of the Finale, though. Since that was a big far void, now it has given way to people fighting over if the empty air in the void is made out of cheese or spinach. Here is a clue: it's neither, it's just empty air.

Jensen should busy himself with the Boys Season 3 episode script and stay far, far, far away from any part of this fandom and especially this issue at this point.

That guy shouldn't throw any stones either....

At that point, I don`t think there would be any spin-off appeal anymore in the first place. The point of doing a spin-off is hopefully picking up the audience of the mothership. Which would be the case for the CW. If that many years pass, they`d do a full-on reboot instead.

Yuck. Though I can't see the network go there. I believe when Pedowitz says "connected to the Winchesters", he means "having them, the original ones in it". He knows the show was due to the actors aka a non-replaceable factor. IF they went there, I swear Dean would suddenly get a daughter who is then also grown up. When the TV show Grimm ended, ir had a little flash forward to the grown up kids and yet the potential spin-off idea was never focusing on them.

I don't think it went "normal". Why would Dean naturally be the loser in a normal life? That is a ridiculous notion to me. And Sam naturally be the wonderboy always and ever? What Gary Stu shield is he supposed to have? It was just the only way Dean could imagine that because he puts himself down some more.

Even a death could have worked for me if it was set up better. On Arrow the main character died still relatively young. He got a big heroic death and left a personal legacy of two children and a heroic one of a city and world saved that was acknowledged over and over. In the end he was joined in the afterlife by hid beloved wife who had outlived him for around twenty years. THAT is how you do that. Or even the Vamp. Diaries ending they copied. It featured characters who had already lived hundreds of years. And even Stefan, the brother who died first, tragically right after his marriage, had had a lot of life already. Them meeting each other in the afterlife was also sweet because when the show began they were bitter enenies and in the end they loved each other so much. You know, character development. I'm currently on my second rewatch of a show where the main character is marked for death from the beginning. It gets hammered home over and over that due to a great tragedy in his past resulting in an uncurable illness, he is holding on just long enough to set right wrongs of the past and shape history. Literally anything can be done well in fiction but it has to fit with the build-up of your own show and not "go back to the beginning, the story in between was only for shits and giggles. And overall SPN was never set up as a flat out drama. Nothing indicated it had to end like that.

I agree with that, especially the last part. I mean all Season they fought against Chuck writing their destiny for them. Which, lest we forget his dream ending was that one died. But once that is out of the way because it was bad, the bestest thing is...drumroll...a scenario where Dean dies early and waits around for Sam. Because that was somehow destined. Why the hell didn't we just stay with Chuck then? At least his scenarios were better than "Colonel Rando Rebar in a barn did it". If the outcome is the same, then stay with the epic scenario at least.

I wish I could rewatch anything but even the thought of it makes me queasy. Normally I like how a show ends (even if it is sad), I binge the Finale and my highlights a couple times right away. At this point, I'm honestly not sure if watching even a scene from SPN is in the cards again. Which would be 15 years of great Dean and great Jensen. Maybe if it's fixed in the future.

I don`t think Dean wanted it so much but the episode played it like "isn`t that the bestest happy ending ever for him, yay". I mean, I also didn`t get bursting with joy from him when he died in some rando barn a week or so after being free but apparently yay? He got exactly the ending he predicted in Season 8 in that stupid Trials and Error episode. Only back then it was framed like he was in a totally wrong, suicidal mindframe so that`s why Sam took the trials. Now they have taken that and turned it on its head by retroactively going "yay, he was right all along, happiest prediction ever".

This is not about what's in character, it's about the narrative itself romanticising and validating the notion that if you are too broken of a person (however arbitrarily that is judged), you truly are better off dead. That would be like a therapist assessing a patient and then either take them on or direct them to the nearest convenient high bridge. And that is supposed to be a good thing.

I think the underlying notion of this Finale really bothers me more and more. Whenever Dean expressed that only an early end was in the cards for him but that Sam should have a good life that wasn't an expression of great mental health. And yet this was his end and he is seemingly "happy" about it. So the best cure for depression/hopelessness/feeling unworthy/extreme lack of self worth is...early death. (With implied "better" next life).

After what he spouted during his death scene, why would it be ridiculous? He reduced himself to being entirely about Sam. So just driving around to wait for Sam because he isn't even his own person and has no wants of his own would be exactly logical. If it was for an hour or 50 years. This episode said some things about thr character and none of them was good.

That truly would make him a pathetic loser if he couldn't function in anything without making it all about Sam. When conversely Sam could function well enough to have a long life and raise a child. Why must only Dean be shown like that? To make the "weak" claim true?

They could have still cut something together with archived footage if it was just supposed to be "look, it's me" cameos anyway. There was no need and no excuse to make Dean's heaven so empty it stripped him even more of a personhood. So his death scene was weak, not even heroic or made to look more dynamic. It happens pretty much right after Chuck, lending more credence to this dumb idea of "Chuck did everything". Then he put himself down to ridiculous degrees as his final words. And then his heaven is just being shelved till Sam arrives. And nothing is shown or spoken of a legacy he leaves behind while Sam has at least a son. Yes, as a Dean fan that really makes me ecstactic that 15 years of the character ended like this. This episode honestly to a degree made me regret ever tuning into the show in the first place. And like the GOT ending, it killed any desire for rewatches. I don't mind when characters die in the end. But if they go out like this, it makes me feel I wasted my time for years. Which makes me feel bad for Jensen because he obviously put a lot of hard work, tears and sweat into that character.

I don't think anyone here has done this. It is unfortunately something that has arisen from social media in the last few years. There is way too much interaction these days IMO between people making the content and fans. The more boundaries fall in people's minds, the worse it gets. Julie Plec, showrunner of Vampire Diaries, twitter was the killing grounds after that Finale aired.

Just as it is a viewer's prerogative to think he and/or the show sucked because of it.

I think going after Jim Beaver or any of the cast is shitty. Badd would be fair game. However 1 star (since imdb won't let you give zero) would be my genuine rating for the Series Finale also.

I guess that finally makes Dean Jesus, betrayed, extremely tortured and then nailed for the sins of mankind. Before he went to heaven.

But that all lends credence to the thought that Dean or the brothers never accomplished anything ever in the 300+ episodes prior. Because it was all Chuck handing them the win. And once that's over Dean immediately dies noob-style. Even other hunters manage to successfully complete hunts without being handed wins or falling onto nails.

I know but I don't like seeing it romanticized which I often do. Hopefully, he stops that now he is free from this show.

That uglyness is bad enough with fictional characters but with real people? Yikes.

I know it won't happen but I hope Jensen never does another interview or Con that is about SPN. He should drop it in the trash like they did his character. At this point I'm not sure I can ever rewatch a single bit of it. Maybe in a year or 5.