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The article also features a panel with both Jensen and Jared where Jensen talks about his production company working on SPN-related projects. And Jared obviously acknowledges that. So even if the specific thing was only tentatively announced now, why make it sound like he never, ever, ever had heard about such ideas and gosh golly, the shock.

Both Dean and Sam will be utter non-entities in the reality of the show from what I understand. Narrating means less than nothing. I doubt it goes into Dean's POV. So if someone else did an occasional voice over narrating or noone did, would that change things? And why should either Sam or Dean be mentioned at all? This is supposed to focus on John and Mary before they ever had kids. They don't need to be referenced at all.

But both Ted and Veronica are respective main characters. Which wouldn't be the case here.

Well, honestly, Sam in the end was made the only one to matter after SPN was done and "Dean who" was clear after the Finale. So this is still not enough? He is so hard done by the idea of not being an occasional narrator in a prequel project that might or might not happen? Yeesh. Dean's character needs to be fixed seven ways from Sunday and it's not like that remotely happen either. The way I see it his role would be akin to the kids on "How I met your mother", even with him narrating. I expect for narrator-Dean to have a non role as much as that. Oh, Jim Parsons on Young Sheldon - even better. Despite narrating he is a complete non-issue on this show.

And if Jensen had given him a heads up, we might have still gotten a "so gutted I'm not involved" twitter spree. Since apparently that seems to be the real problem going by "Sam Winchester will have no involvement".

And when fandom drama happened with Walker, did Jensen throw a hissy fit on social media to doxx Jared?

He got basically gaslighted into putting up and shurting up. And unlike others Jensen is too professional to throw a big tantrum about it. He promoted the show to his best ability. But that show is over. And Jensen is allowed to have a career now that is not about catering to Jared. If that is too big a shock for Jared and at 40 he still can’t get over his doxxing on twitter habit; then that is not Jensen's problem. If you don't like him anymore and Jared can do no wrong in your eyes, then so be it. I'm quite frankly happier that Jensen gets over the sonewhat disturbing doormat tendencies he had with Jared over the course of SPN. It was horrible enough when it was fictional.

They had a meeting with Badd and Singer etc before Season 15 and were told how it would end. Of course since it was Samnatural Jared loved it from the start - Jensen hated it. But since noone had his back in any discussion, it was just "take it or leave it'. Then Jared proceeded to crow about how it was the best episode ever any chancw he got. So seriously he can miss me with any "my feelings weren't considered" noise right now. I never once saw him do this himself for Jensen in 15 years.

Why is it a "betrayal"? Why did Jared need to be told? He got his ego stroke all he wanted from SPN but that show is over. I'm not that interested in a prequel or anything to do with SPN but Jared has a new show. It's not his buisness if someone - anyone - makes anything new SPN-related. If he wanted another thing about him, he should have gone ahead, aquired the rights, made the contracts and done it.

Apart from it being totally unprofessionell to do this on twitter - but it's certainly a pattern. - I don't get why he expected to be involved? He has his own new show he is exec producer of, this is a prequel, he doesn't own the rights and noone is under obligation to ask him for permission. I mean cry to the CW and WB as well, they obviously knew and didn't think you needed your hand held. Also, for a guy who didn't have Jensen's back at all in the Finale discussion, that's mighty rich.

Yes, Tom's Lucifer and the entire story wouldn't havw fit in SPN but I agree a x-over AU could havw been fun. Better than the increasingly cringy meta episodes. And if they wanted a well-done Devil's child, they could have crossed over with Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. Everything Cutesy Stu Jack only dreamed of being, like complex. There were lots of characters from other stories who would have made an interesting dynamic with Dean for a fun AU.

Lucifer (as in the show) is IMO s fantastic character (and Tom Ellis is doing a fantastic job). It made me more and more annoyed with the neverending version of Nepotism-duo-pet-character-run-into-the-ground-Lucifer they did on SPN. Then again, SPN ran everything into the ground.

Well, with the easy way of being defeated on what appeared to be the very first hunt without Chuck interference, the humiliating manner and speech of putting himself down as uber-weak some more along with no acknowledgment of his worth or anything, zero legacy to leave behind and just waiting aimlessly around bland heaven, pretty much everything was designed to be the blandest, lamest way the character could go out. Contrast that with Sam doing fine without Chuck's protection, getting to have a family and legacy and being heralded as the strong one, it was as cookie-cutter clear as it could have been. I always laugh when I read "that is exactly what Dean wanted and how he wanted to go out". Ha. By the time of that Finale even he didn't want to go out like yesterday's trash. And his speech in Trial and Error - which he got derided for back then - is not a justification to now say it was oh-so-joyful what happened and his best ending ever. If it happened to a character they cared about, that tune would change very quickly.

I know the beard is for filming right now but I had to giggle because with the hair still made up pretty neat, it`s totally the "girl in glasses, frizzy hair and a potato sack dress" in a rom-com where you are going "oh come on, she is hot, just do the make-over montage already".

Yup, makes it sound like they don't have talent so they need random luck. I guess "break a leg" wouldn't make a good hashtag either, though.

I think it is 15.

Hollywood folk often fail upwards. Too bad. I had some interest in this show. And now that plummeted way down.

I was flabbergasted the CW gave Berens a show so I checked. They didn't. He is not the showrunner/crreator. So Speight IMO oversold him in his post.

But that is a specific scenario where both are already dead and maybe died together. Whenever that was. The ending we got specifically curtailed Dean's time while you could still fill in adventures for Sam, no matter what the montage showed. Also Sam had a life and a family. When THEY get to heaven, is Dean - who has nothing going on beyond Sam as the episode hammer home - to be kicked to the wayside or put in a corner then? All the implications for Dean are just lackluster and ugly. A big roadhouse party at least would have given him something beyond just Sam since Sam had a lot beyond Dean. I remember Jensen once said he wanted Dean to have a good legacy. Well in Dabb's ending he has NO legacy. I think that is something Jensen didn't care for.

From what I heard, the changed ending is even worse. Because with Dean aimlessly driving around in heaven, it looks even more like he has nothing going in, other than pathetically waiting around for Sam. Other than that, the lackluster ending-by-rebar, the pathetic last words and the lack of legacy is exactly the same. I think Jensen in general would have prefered, if death had to happen, than one with a lot more of an oomph.

HBO? He probably would have been nude at least three times. 😁 But yes, the show would have been much more gritty there. Not quite sure it would have worked with the vibe because the show at its best Seasons still had a lot of the somewhat goofy charm with genuine heart and some sweet mythology. Good in its own way but I wouldn`t mix it with HBO shows.

The scene itself, I wouldn't even have so much of a problem with if the jerk writers didn't spout their "hard truths" bs. If a character I love (and feel doesn't deserve this) gets called a selfish worthless coward and that this is their entire personality, that is one thing. Characters get belittled and insulted often. The writer telling me that this is supposed the truth and I should cheer the other character on? Eff that.

I try not to, truly hated that scene.

It was never my main problem that Dean died but how. Right away after being free of Chuck to make it seem like every skill he ever had was written in. In a stupid, lame way, not even really saving anyone. Denigrating himself in his final moments to give Sam a tongue bath. Not acknowledged afterwards at all, noone at the funeral, no legacy spoken of nothing. And just driving around, waiting for Sam because even in death he can`t be allowed to be his own person. They could have done some editing magic for a funeral with Sam giving a nice acknowledgment speech. Anything else beyond absolutely nothing.

When it comes to the CW, good job trying to get anything cancelled anyway. They renew just about anything. And the Boys being a streaming shows works on a different level altogether. I also thought SPN ended as an absolute disgrace. But that has zero bearing on any other show.