Aeryn13

As far as I know there are no SPN people working on the show. I think the main showrunners previously did Starz' Spartacus? Fresh blood can only help the network. They are too "incestouus". And for sure their diversity claims are pretty much just smokescreens. But that is true for just about every entertainment venue. And even when it is meant to be genuine, it is done in a super-clumsy way. Only shows with previous Netflix deals still has new Seasons going there. New ones, no.

Supes got pretty positive responses from what I've seen. Especially from people who have despaired of the Arrowverse. Walker didn't get nearly as positive reviews but obviously functions more like a CBS show. Soap-esque procedural. Better viewer numbers but very old skewing comparitively. And they have a hard time fitting it with what they currently have. Since ratings only matter in passing for the CW and demo as well as sm responses are more important to the network, their best show currently is All American. Became a sleeper hit on Netflix.

Well, of course I'm refering to Bloodlines and Wayward Sisters, those titans of television history and...not convincing? 😁 The two greatest episodes of the show for me have always been IMTOD and Lazarus Rising. For me those are the standouts. Closely followed by What is and what should never be and The End. Devil's Trap is actually my favourite Finale out of the entire show. In the Beginning is a very good one, too. Certainly in my top ten. There are some "concept" episodes that I do actually think had good stuff in them or worked well. I consider Monster Movie very charming and seriuosly underrated. Changing Channels had good things. The French Mistake. Abandon all hope has - bar none - the best-written character exit/death in this show. And unruined, too.

I think it almost always had a certain goofiness but a lot of charm behind it and fun. There are maybe 2 or 3 episodes I would hold up as genuinely great. Their essence was destroyed later on narratively but by themselves they stood head and shoulders above the rest of the show. In the end I'd say Seasons 1, 2 and 4 for all their flaws were the good Seasons of the show.

Hahaha, I imagine that twitter person going: "Noone else is in the show just him. Other actors don't exist. Jared plays Walker, Walker's wife, his kids, his father, his mother, his partner, his horse, his car, his weapon, probably a couple of street signs..."

I will see if in a year or two I can stomach watching any SPN again but it's possible the Finale scorched the show for me in its entirety. Kinda like Game of Thrones.

I think Destiel will trend for a while for the same reason Star Wars' Reylo did: shippers didn't get their endgame. Negative discussion often gets more play but lots of traffic in the tags leads to trending. I bet a lot of the SPN trending, Dean trending etc is based on rants. Jensen has always been high in trending on tumblr. And at least it was never for something like "is he or is he not a cannibal?" Which is why usually not on the list jumped to number 2.

Saying Dean had a "success story" is an opinion, though. Because that is ultimately a subjective assessment of the show. And no actor or anyone involved with the production has a more valid reading on it than any viewer. They can't dictate if a story is seen as a success or not. And IMO it was a comment that rather demeaned the character of Dean. What if Jensen came out and made the opposite statement?

In the end Dean was randomely dead (and I would hardly call that a great success story for him, even in the most Sam-centric of worlds so that part of the interview rankled). If Sam married a blurry wife, that was his decision.

Or one can watch all the Dabb Season, especially the Series Finale. If that one doesn't satisfy the hate quota, I don’t know what would.

Hahaha, that is hilarious. Yup, I think I know who had the rough night there. 😄 Would love to see Jensen and Bradley James together in something. Dean Winchester meets Arthur Pendragon.

Since it is an actor no longer with them and thus no longer benefiting them, I wouldn't exoect it anyway. The people running their social media presence always lack professionalism and class. Across the board. Other shows sm is really bad, too.

To be expected. Especially when a ship doesn't get endgame, it won't subside easily because of the anger. Ultimately the shipper fandom will shrink because a lot of people do find new things. Ironically I think content that doesn't have a ship canonically together does produce bigger online ship fandoms because there is more to fantasize, speculate, campaign and "fix". Just as a shows with "goofier" writing usually have bigger online fandoms for pretty much the same reasons. Hence, some CW shows are huge online presences but little ratings blips, even considering the advantage in younger viewership.

Give it at least two or three years. It's much too soon now.

I think Superman & Lois would actually be their more high profile new show. Probably a lot of people will at least check out the Pilot who normally don't watch CW. But it's starting later, end of February whereas Walker is earlier. They also have a couple new ones for mid-Season like the Kung Fu remake.

Timing certain characters would mean having to sit through their scenes again. 12 solid hours of SPN!Lucifer or Mary? That is the worst hell imaginable. As for Nougat, after having finished binging CAOS and seeing what a young aka teenage character who is Lucifer`s kid and is a good person and well-meaning but also majorly flawed and their darker actions and impulses being addressed can look like, I have less than zero patience for the beige cutesy version from SPN who gets showered with lavish praise and literal godhood. It`s not like noone can do an interesting character like that, it`s that Dabb & co couldn`t.

I didn`t quite know where to put this but I marvel at someone doing all that counting work: Supernatural - Screen Time Counter The brothers are a given but the recurring characters wildly moving up and down the list over the course of the vid was fun. And let me say, this was 17h12m too much for me. (not the video, haha)

It`s a double-edged sword. On the one hand, this got more (aka any) media attention because of who he is. If it was Joe Schmoe, noone would have taken notice. On the other hand, he can easily settle out of court in regards to any possible civil or criminal lawsuit because of who he is in ways Joe Schmoe can`t afford.

While in general I agree Dean was never supposed to be even an equal but he became one despite the worst efforts of some writers. I think the discourse, outside of ships, over the Finale is because Dean had the much shittier ending. I've seen lots of Sam-people on tumblr really happy with the ending for Sam. And since Dean was certainly not an equal in Dabb's ideas, he did make the Finale and show message to take away from it pretty Sam-centric and as drab and demeaning to Dean as he possibly could. That they are together in heaven as a "happy ending" is likely only because if not, it would have angered the other ship crowd as well. Just because it's a "through the lens of Sam" ship as Destiel is a "through the lens of Castiel" ship doesn’t mean either don't want their technical endgame. And they gave it to one, Dean would have been an afterthought in either scenario. Though I do think no previous showrunner would have made his death this drab and without fanfare, this unacknowledged and this much about tongue-bathing Sam. Not even Gamble.

Having not watched it, I can't of course comnent on how well it was done. I can only say that IMO the ending of SPN was ruination in my book. And the pointless "Dean died randomely just as in his darkest, most hopeless moments he always figured (and apparently he just Sam-obsessed drives through an empty heaven" as well as "and Sam got what he always wanted though it kinda looked like he was meh on it when he had it" coupled with '"legacy? acknowledgment? what are those words?" was a big part of it to me. This was like a GOT level ending in my book. It retroactively makes so many moments meaningless. Or even turns them on its head to have a horrible meaning now, Dean as a character being most affected by that.

That's not a high mark IMO.

I don’t think most shows work like if you watch the Pilot and just the Finale, you feel like you missed nothing in between and it's about the most expected ending you could imagine after just the start. Dabb made his Finale in such a way that "Pilot: Sam wants normal, that Dean guy kinda keeps him from it" - Finale: Sam gets normal because that Dean guy randomely dies after no longer keeping him from it". And it looks like the only "character development" you got was Sam getting s deluxe tongue-bath, refering right back to the Pilot.

It`s a sad state of affairs when you can watch the Pilot and Series Finale - of a 15 year old show no less - and feel like you miss nothing. If that doesn`t say "the journey was a worthless waste of time", I don`t know what would.

Just because he was understandably unhappy at the thought of Sam in a place of eternal suffering doesn't mean he could make nothing work. Under no circumstances ever. Where Sam was and how he was off at the time was a huge factor in the equation. I was not happy with the Series Finale and Dean's non-mentioned legacy at all but I don’t subscribe to the idea that the character was ever that much of a pathetic loser that instead of a brain, heart or mind he basically only had a note saying "Sam". Maybe Badd thought that. And what an honor it would be to revolve around planet Sam. But he and his ending can suck it.

They could still have done the rough beats of the Finale but with a much better execution. Like, make it clear some time has passed, like a year or two where both enjoyed life. Shoot Dean's death in a better way. Like actually protecting one of the children. Cut/change a lot of "I'm so inferior to you" speech. Then make a real funeral where you acknowledge that Dean has a legacy and will be missed. Show him do something in heaven other than being shelved till Sam arrives. Make the reunion a better scene, instead of the meh "hey". Give the freaking show a legacy and acknowledge the people saved and the world made better. This was missing entirely. Not 1 % of the Series Finale did that. And nope, that's not the task of any episode prior. Not that any did. The penultimate didn’t either. It wouldn't be as bad if Badd himself hadn't retconned this Chuck story/ they never mattered or did anything nonsense because now everything is questionable. And the first episode afterward happened to be this garbage Finale.