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Yeah, I always yell like a fishwife when I'm sweet talking someone......

Of course, Ross is family and can't be cut out entirely, but Francis' wishy washyness is irritating. Besides, if Warleggan and the Treneglos' can freeload a Christmas dinner, the Trenwith Poldarks could freeload off someone else too. I noticed that too. Including the clover flowers in another scene which is supposed to take place in autumn or early winter. If this series continues, I hope they put a graphic like "Christmas 1789" on the screen.

This episode was actually watchable but still choppy in the story telling. For example, when Demelza tells Jud and Prudie that they educated her, WhenTF did that happen in previous 3 episodes? The closest we’ve seen them “educate” Demelza was when Prudie instructed her how to make a meat pie. And from the WTF expressions on their faces, I suppose they had the same thought. Francis…other than to make accusations and further strain his marriage, WhyTF invite Ross over for Christmas? Okay, we get it. Francis is a flaky failure. Which brings me to another WTF moment. Charles asking Ross to look after Francis and uphold the Poldark name????? Really, after Charles says that Ross had done it now (in a bad way), Ross is less an F-up than Francis, in spite of committing social suicide by marrying his kitchenmaid? And WTF with Ross’ list of “whom to tell I have married” 1. Francis (okay, that makes sense. Francis is his cousin.), 2. Margaret the whore (really? Tell the local whore who’s ‘known’ to you, George Warleggan and Francis??? On second thought, that makes sense: she takes him off her client list and she can spread the news to her other clients.) .Editing to add a final WTF: crashing a family Christmas dinner...if that's what polite society does, I rather hang with the impolite.

If the series continues don't think Horsfield will portray Ross as a rapist or even a suspected rapist. I think it will be consensual beyond a reasonable doubt. Anyway, Elizabeth's acceptance of George was the culmination of Francis' observation that Elizabeth only loves Elizabeth (and Geoffrey Charles). Elizabeth marries George for $$$$$$$$$$ and security, which is pretty much the reason why she married Francis. I saw episode 4 last night. I didn't like Demelza's dress at Christmas. In the book, it was a grand styled dress that Verity picked for her. (well, not picked like off the rack picked, but picked in regard to the fabric, colors and style). P15's Demelza's dress looked no different that her house dresses. Also, does anyone here know anything about costumes/fashions in the late 1780s?

Oh my. Celia is such a selfish cow. And she gets into a snit when Caroline tells her friends that Celia wasn't supportive of the wedding. I'm happy Alan left her and I'm happy Alan told her that she shouldn't have taken out her anger on Caroline. I think Gary's wife, Felicity, has an alcohol problem (the way she kept downing the wine) and/or she's the more unselfish version of Celia (didn't want to go to Gillian's but did it anyway). Gillian: she needs to stay off the drink. Every time she ends up in bed with John she's drunk. Kate: I like Kate and always thought her too good for Caroline. But after she didn't stick up for Alan at the wedding, I think she would have become Caroline's enabler. I loved that Rafe wanted to go to the wedding and I loved that he kissed Celia when she came to the house. I also loved that William was so totally there for Caroline, unlike Lawrence (but Lawrence is still a teen and I really can't blame him.)

I've come to the sad conclusion that in today's era of social media, there's no way What's My Line, I've Got a Secret, To Tell the Truth would make it . :-(

to make a long story short, my husband injured his shoulder and retreated to our bedroom. To keep my sanity I've been watching tv in the guest room that can pick up Retro TV. I've noticed that some programs like Bonanza and Petticoat Junction have different theme songs. But on MeTV Bonanza and Petticoat Junction use their real theme songs. Is there a licensing issue that Retro can't use it, but MeTV can? BTW.....I love that Retro shows Mystery Science Theater 3000

Oooo...how are they doing? What I liked about the old TWoP forums was that we had some of the participants from Colonial House and Texas Ranch House posting in the forums, answering questions, giving insider information, etc. Editing to add..during Fourth of July we were invited over to the neighbor's. A friend of a friend of the neighbor works for my local PBS station. So I asked what's with all this Suze Orman, Dr. Amen, etc. etc. all the time during Pledge Year. Why not show DIY show marathons, music shows or Masterpiece Theater marathons? Answer: The programming heads think Viewers Like Us, would rather watch programs that aren't on the usual schedule, so they air Suze Orman, Wayne Dyer, etc. etc. etc. instead because they think that's the stuff we want to watch during Pledge Year.

That makes me uneasy, particularly if the adaptation continues and the event leading up to the "Valentine incident":the shades of grey become more clearly black and white. I could see why and how Elizabeth would choose P75 and Book Francis over Ross, because Francis is a fun-guy, but not P15 Francis.

This is falls more into the WTF category (with the other WTFs).

Well, it does seem like P15 tried to keep the Demelza-Ross story as book-close as possible, but sacrificed the other characters. And the way Winston Graham wrote the books, it's conceivable to skim or skip completely the non-Ross/Demelza parts and come away with the feeling that P15 did a good job with Poldark . the trouble with that is the non-Ross/Demelza parts are equally important to Poldark, unless any future series will concentrate on Ross and Demelza (and as the series goes on, that will run the risk of becoming boring.)

I see it in families. Some members have the insight and make the conscious effort to not repeat the problems. Some members see the problems but continue them anyway because "it's too late" or "things will never change", etc. And some members don't have the insight and continue curse the next generation. It gets really frustrating during family gatherings when you see things repeating themselves and it's extremely frustrating with the offender goes on and on about how miserable it was growing up in a household "like that" when their own household is "like that" too. I don't think Caroline realizes that she and Lawrence are on shaky ground. Based on the first series, Gillian and Rafe's relationship is "better" than her relationship with her parents. IIRC, Gillian said something like when she had her abortion, Alan and her mother treated her like a failure and have always looked at her that way. I don't see Gillian viewing Rafe in that regard.

In the first book, Warleggan is Francis' gambling buddy. In the second book, when Ross and Francis expose the card cheating Warleggan cousin, George becomes a full fledged enemy. The third book and after, George Warleggan and Ross are arch enemies. I haven't seen P15's Christmas at Trenwith yet, but if it does follow the book, we'll see that George has the hots for Elizabeth unless that's cut out.

Last season, we saw that Caroline's relationship with Lawrence was strained enough that he went to live with John (and then realized that John was more screwed up than Caroline and went back to the lesser of two evils). So it really didn't surprise me that Lawrence would rather stay with Celia than go to his mother's wedding. Additionally, it won't surprise me at all if Caroline and Lawrence's relationship mirrors Celia-Caroline, which I think it's being set up to do.

Or Texas Ranch House where the ranch hands walked out en masse because they couldn't stand the ranch owners. The horrible thing about that one is that the ranch owners had a garden full of produce that they watered but didn't harvest for some reason or the other and the account book was all messed up when the ranch owner in real life was the finance director at a hospital......

It's because he's coming off as a tattle tale school boy. And we are constantly reminded of how bad George is because he's always whispering into Francis' ear before Francis does something stupid.

continued discussion on the Ross-Elizabeth Trenwith discussion here: http://forums.previously.tv/topic/28493-s01e03-episode-3/page-2Episode 1 is still on the PBS.org website and will be available until July 19, 2015. Everyone is seated at the table. Comment about Elizabeth's weight (not enough), Francis saying he likes her the way she is. Sound like the latch opening. Comment from Charles about Verity being too valuable at Trenwith to worry about gentleman callers. Ross walks in and says he hopes he's not intruding. Mixed appearances of happy (Verity, Elizabeth, and Francis), surprise in a good way (charles), surprise in a bad way (Elizabeth's mom) Verity jumps up and hugs Ross. Francis jumps up and hugs him. Mama frowns.Francis he and Elizabeth were in despair about Ross' presumed death. Ross sees E, smiles, walks over to her expressing surprise that she is at Trenwith. Mama asks Ross how they lost the war. Ross says something about by choosing the wrong side. Mama frowns. Ross smiling says that he couldn't have wished for a better homecoming. E says she must speak with him. Ross says okay and briefly puts his hand on her arm and rubs it. Charles sees it and asks Ross what are his plans for the future, informing him that Nampara has changed. Mama frowns. Aunt Agatha realizes it's Ross! He greets her. E says they hadn't heard from him. Verity interrupts asking Ross to sit. then Mama tells E. to get her wrap. E. looks at her And Mama gives her the eye to get lost now. E. does. Alone E. goes through a range of emotions: happiness, shock, fear. Ross sits next to Mama. He says it looks like he interrupted a party. Francis is tongue-tied. Verity looks worried. Charles is happy and says that Francis is to be married. Ross asks to whom? Mama triumphantly says "Elizabeth". Just then E. comes back with Mama's wrap. Francis looks worried. E looks worried. Mama beams and rubs it in. Charles looks worried. Ross looks like he's going to vomit. E. looks ashamed. Uncomfortable silence. Ross asks about his father. Charles tells him the pitiful end, affairs in tatters, little to inherit. Ross glowers at F & E, who look ashamedly back at him. Aunt Agatha says they didn't think he would be back to claim the property. Charles says what a financial mess Cornwall is in. Ross looks ill, makes his excuses, calls Charles "Sir Charles" rather than "uncle", asks for a horse. F&E continue their ashamed/worried looks. Ross offers a toast and raises his glass. Everyone looks uneasy. Ross says his toast. E. looks like she's going to vomit. Francis looks like "Oh well, Ross is cool with it!". The only one who "pounced" on Ross was Mama. Everyone else was in various states of surprise and unease. It even looks like Charles wasn't going to bring up E & F until Ross asked what the party was for and perhaps wasn't going to tell Ross to whom Francis was marrying at that time, until Mama chimed in.

I'm moving the Ross-Elizabeth Trenwith dinner meeting discussion to the the episode 1 thread. It's still available for viewing on the pbs.org site until july 17

Remember too that Celia's grudge against her sister deepened because the sister married the guy Celia wanted to marry. And Celia blames that on her marrying Kenneth on the rebound. She plays the victim card too much.

P75 sticks to the book's timeline better and it also shows Demelza's growth from street urchin to competent maid under the Paynter's guidance (what very little they gave, that is.) And it also follows the book's portrayal of Ross' struggles with opening Wheal Leisure and the beginning of his adversarial relationship with the Warleggan's.

No, it's not. So the viewer is left to wonder WhyTF Ross has a trunk containing a woman's dress. It could be his mother's or it could be one that Prudy stole or it could be the one Ross dresses up in when everyone else is asleep.. Let me explain again, Elizabeth was present in the room when Ross arrives from the dead. Everyone is stunned. Verity is the only one who appears to be happy that Ross is alive in Cornwall not decaying in a grave in Virginia.Ross starts to speak to Elizabeth with great familiarity. And she's essentially speechless. That's when mama sends her to get a shawl. I looked at that scene as being more to let Elizabeth regain composure after a shock than as a conspiracy against Ross.

photofox, could we have character threads too, so discussions about hair and makeup can be addressed therein?

i thought Elizabeth's mom send her out of the room so that Elizabeth can compose herself after the shock of Ross returning from the dead. This Francis wouldn't turn that property around because they make this Francis out to be a milksop and a buffoon.

The book's version makes more sense because Choake isn't conveniently sitting in the gallery in a courtroom in Truro. Robin Ellis could have forced Choake to testify because Choake was there for some unknown reason. That would put Francis (and Charles, and Aunt Agatha, and Verity) into the "I know she's Ross' girl but I don't give a damn!" category. Part of the tension I saw in the dinner scene was that with Ross dead, Charles would inherit Ross' father's property. So with Ross back again, that's less assets and, presumably, capital for the Trenwith Poldarks.

Okay. I had to deal with Mr. Milz and his injured shoulder during this case, so I missed parts of it (which made it even more confusing than I think it really was) So what was JJ's verdict?