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other than Ross and Demelza's shot gun wedding P75 did a good job sticking to the books. But P15.......too much is changed around for it to claim it is more faithful to the books. It's as though Horsefield skimmed over all the non-Ross & Demelza parts during the first reading. Then realized she had to read the non-Ross Demelza parts because those secondary plots and characters are intertwined with Ross and Demelza. Then wrote the dramatization to focus around Ross and Demelza bringing in the other characters only to bolster the Ross Demelza story. She got rid of the Polly Choake character and gave Ruth Treneglos a larger part by making her Polly. Julia's birth lost all its symbolism.

If bell ringing in a mine has the same meaning as bell ringing in the New York Stock Exchange, then yes, we can infer that the mine is closed.

I wrote in the thread that for the Warleggans accepting Grambler was bad if it was done for business purposes, but if it was done to be asses, then sure why not. I also thought that when Ross stood up he did so because he saw Sansone cheating. but he didn't. Book George and P75 George is in love with Elizabeth. But I don't detect that in P15. This indifference (if it can be called that) might mean the Elizabeth-George marriage and the Elizabeth rape will be much different than the books or P75 (Ross will come out looking better than he should) Mark's cottage in P15 was in a lonely stretch of land far from Mellin but close to Mingoose (I think the Treneglos' own that). And he and some of the other miners had been working on it for a week. IIRC, in the book, the fact that Mark had to built it quickly was the reason why the cottage was angled in a way that no sunlight entered it, which contributed to Keren's unhappiness.

That's the odd thing.....when I listen to the radio programs, I can "see" the scene in my head just with the sound effects and the dialogue (ex. Chester: Did ya see that Mr. Dylan? Marshall Dylan: Where Chester? Chester: Over there by the barn! Watch out Mr. Dylan. He's got a shot gun pointed right at us!)

I'm playing by the rules in the episode threads and only raising questions about the episodes. I know what's supposed to happen and why. That's why it makes no sense to me why the Warleggans would allow Francis to put up a mine that's been worked out like Grambler. If Grambler was still producing, it would make complete sense. But it's not. It's like Mark and the cottage. WTF? Why is the cottage built so far away from Mellin? Why is it built near Mingoose? WTF is a Mingoose? If I'm watching P15 without having read the books or watched P75 I would be asking those questions. If it was mentioned that there was an obscure law that allowed a man to own a home provided he built it in a day, I certainly didn't hear it.

Just as an aside.....years ago I had classmates who got married. Her family were very devout Christians. His was not. Both families like the couple. However they "eloped". When they got back, they had a reception in his hometown with his family and friends (which included things like alcohol, etc.) and a week later in her hometown, they had a reception with her family and friends (no alcohol, etc.). They're still married as far as I know and have children. But their reasons for separate receptions was very practical, imo, and very Poldarkish.

I think this is a way to show the viewers a marriage of earlier times when the husband was the decision-maker of the house and the wife was his property. I mean, until the early 20th century, a husband could rape his wife and suffer no legal ramifications because he had a right to her body. That's why I think Elizabeth is really lucky Francis isn't a brute.

We've been told since episode 2 that Grambler was being worked out. Why they had the women there and not the men, I don't know (maybe they had some production issues?) It would have made more sense if the crowd had mostly men, but then it would have made more sense if Francis wasn't made out to be a milksop dandy for the last 4 episodes and actually had even the smallest sliver of business acumen or at the very least showing he did care about his miners (rather than the uncomfortable scene of Francis on horseback surveying his miners with a a WTF look on his face.) Also it doesn't make sense if Grambler had been lost to the Warleggans that Francis is the one closing it. I really expected that Francis and the family gathered the miners to tell them that the Warleggans own Grambler now, not that Grambler is closing. Anyhow, about Geoffrey Charles the Vampire.....HRH Prince George of Cambridge will be 2 years old tomorrow. He looks older than Geoffrey Charles who would be about the same age according to the show's timeline. Has there ever been any reverse SORAS characters? I guess in this case it would be SODAS (Soap Opera Delayed Aging Syndrome)

Different mine. Even with established mines digging in one direction might yield something or it might not. In the last episode, we saw the difficulty with the "ironstone" the miners encountered at Wheal Leisure. Then the structural integrity of the tunnel needs to be considered because dead miners in a caved-in section is highly unprofitable. As I wrote above, if something isn't productive, it's losing money (or breaking even) and that isn't good business sense, short term or long term). According to page 11 on this site (http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/1981/5/cj1n1-7.pdf) , land was taxed and by 1801 there was a property and income tax. So sure the Warleggans can close Grambler, but they will still lose money because they will have to pay taxes on it. In other words, the longer Grambler sits redundant the more money they lose. And the fact that they accepted Grambler shows me that they aren't as clever as they are made out to be. OR the writers messed up by making these plot changes.

That's how it was originally explained. But when Gillian confessed to Caroline, she implied that she helped Eddie's death along by finishing him off. About Baby Flora....I think she's a month or two preterm, so she might need "more" care than a full term baby would. Gary's giving off creepy vibes. I can understand that he wants to get to know his dad and half/step sisters and their families, but he's being a bit too enthusiastic about it. BTW, I loved it when Caroline introduced Alan as "my stepfather", rather than "my mum's husband". Their relationship seems to be closer than Gillian's and Celia's.

With a mine that's worked out Francis wouldn't be a potential business rival because the mine is not-productive. Even if Francis converts Trenwith lands to farming, he still wouldn't be a potential business rival because farming isn't lucrative.

As I wrote, if the reason for letting Francis put Grambler up was to be asses, that makes sense. But from a purely business point of view it doesn't because Grambler had no value. A basket of pilchards would be more profitable for the Warleggans than Grambler ever would. Mining is a limited resource. When a mine is worked out or unworkable it becomes a liability for the owner, not an asset. Something that's sitting redundant isn't making money but losing it. Owning a lot of nothing is owning nothing.

My local NPR affiliate has an "Old time radio" show every sunday night. After listening to the radio programs like Dragnet, Father Knows Best, Jack BEnny, Burns and Allen and Gunsmoke and watching their tv counterparts, I prefer the radio versions. I think the acting and writing are tighter in the radio programs. Sometimes they do air the radio versions The Goldbergs, Our Miss Brooks and The Great Gildersleeve and I'm hoping one of these old time tv networks will show the television versions so I can compare. BTW, I've heard My Favorite Husband episodes and they are just as good as I Love Lucy.

Profit is what's left after operational expenses (including wages) have been paid. Grambler can barely pay wages, so it's not profitable. More than likely, it's just breaking even. Francis' non-management doesn't help either. A worked out mine or one that's almost worked out has no value, which makes it a bad investment, and that's why it doesn't make sense to me from a business perspective.

Correct. With mining already on a decline, acquiring mines doesn't make good business sense. Investing in other ventures does if the goal is to make money. If the goal is to make life miserable for everyone, then investing in a dying industry makes sense. I'm don't know what the property tax rates were in the UK during that era, but with the previous series of wars in the American colonies, and the upcoming Napoleonic wars, I suspect taxation will be a way to finance these activities.

I see your point, but it still doesn't makes sense to me from a business view because they are stuck with a useless mine which is more expensive to keep, let alone operate . However from an "I'm a ass and want to be the biggest ass in the world" point of view, it makes perfect sense.

Was i the only one who threw a mini marshmallow at the screen when Celia told Kate's mom how fond she was of Kate and how she accepted their relationship? What are Caroline's legal rights to Flora? Wouldn't bio-dad Greg have more parental rights than she? Anyhow, who think Robbie will find out about Eddie's death and dump Gillian?

If Grambler was still producing ore, that would make sense. But Grambler, supposedly, has been worked out so it would have shut down regardless. Not to mention the price of ore was low. I'm not sure if the UK in the 1790s had the same taxation practices as it did in the Victorian era, but I would suspect the property taxes on a mine would be a pain in the neck. Grambler seems like a white elephant.

For a production which is purportedly more faithful to the book, they certainly veered from the book with Julia's birth and Enys' arrival. It also looks like they've changed the book sequence by introducing plots from Warleggan (book 4) into this. Yes, for someone who's given birth for the first time, Demelza's labor is extraordinarily quick----or that was one looooooooong play.

Is Geoffrey Charles a vampire or one of Peter Pan's Lost Boys because he looked no older than 15 months old in this episode. He was born a couple of months before Ross and D were married. And would have been around 6-8 months old during Christmas. This episode opens with D at about 8 months pregnant (making Geoffrey Charles at least 18 -20 months old). When next we see Julia after her birth, she's maybe one or two months old, which would put Geoffrey Charles at maybe 2 years old. Anyhow, I've read the Grambler being gambled away thoughts. It makes sense to me why Francis would bet Grambler because it was failing anyhow. But it doesn't make sense to me why Warleggan's cousin would accept it. (Maybe he's a vampire like Geoffrey Charles.)

Wasn't there a JJ case looooooooong ago where the bite recipient bite the biter?

Derek Jacobi said that if he could talk to his younger self, he would tell him to play Hamlet differently. So I think there is that kind of regret, to the point that some actors say they don't watch themselves.

I live in the DC area too. After Memorial Day, I can't get MPT anymore (it happens from time to time. I think it's the security stuff because I live in within that Bermuda Triangle of the military installations.) LA la-la la LA la-la la La la-la la LA! Ville Allegre!

The tv in our guest bedroom can pick up Retro. Like you the antenna has to be angled in a funny way which loses half of the channels.

As opposed to now, when you need to increase the volume or turn on the closed captioning to hear/see what was said. ;-) As a child I used to read a newspaper comic strip called "Broom Hilda" (she was a witch and had friends: Gaylord an eye-glasses wearing vulture and Erwin a fuzzy monster.) In one strip, Broom Hilda, Erwin and Gaylord are watching tv. The dialogue balloon from the tv is written in dots. The next frame the dialogue balloon has large letters that fill up the entire balloon. The following frame the dialogue balloon is back to the dots. In the final frame, Broom says something like I can't stand it when the commercials are louder than the show.