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IIRC, Kate knew Caroline didn't want any more children and that was one of the reasons why their relationship was on the rocks. But she picked Greg because they are old friends and he is a nice guy.

That's what it sounds like. Optimistically the added episodes will allow them to develop the characters more. Pessimistically, this also could mean more Cornish countryside and seaside filler shots. I do hope, however, they will add a time indicator at the beginning of each episode. Something like "Spring 1791" or Guy Fawkes Night 1790" so it's more obvious how much time has passed between episodes.

I've resolved myself that P15 isn't like the books, so i've lowered my expectations considerably. My issue with George's height now I see him as a sleazy little runt.

As long as they don't lapse into Jazz slang, I can can deal with that. But I guarantee if the dialogue dips into something like this: Ross: Don't ever come here again in this state! Miner: Aww, but Ross, t'was good hooch. Can't be grudge a man, good hooch! Can't afford the ritzy stuff you drink in th' pub with them Shebas and lounge lizards!

It's better than losing it in a game of "Go Fish".

I second all of that about the supporting characters. What irks me too is Jinny and Jim look like two 14 year olds going to the movies on a first date. Book Jim was a couple years younger than Ross and Jinny was a couple of years younger than Jim (making her older than Demelza).

If At were to gain 5 pounds I can totally see his resemblance! Well, you see that, but when I saw Elizabeth and George standing side-by-side with a very obvious 2 inch height difference, I got an image of Sonny and Cher singing "I Got You Babe" in my head. Editing to add, I think S & C singing "The Beat Goes on" are dressed more like George and Elizabeth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwB8ph7VAXw

I think she was saying that it's really over now because she lacked the courage to tell Francis and he (Blamey) doesn't like cowards or something to that effect. And the fact that he didn't glance back at her, confirmed it was over.

Well, I'm posting this here because I can. After seeing the height disparity between Elizabeth and George in P15, I can only hope that if the series continues to when they get married they give George some shoe lifts to make him at least as tall as Elizabeth. When I watched the program and saw she's a full 2 inches taller than he, I got Sonny and Cher singing I Got You Babe stuck in my head and couldn't really get it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BERd61bDY7k

That's my impression of Gary too. He's trying too hard to get them to like him or consider him as part of the family. And I agree with you about his enthusiasm about introducing Alan as his "real" father is very telling about his relationship with the father who raised him. I like Caroline and Gillian's relationship. It began rocky, but now it's more "sisterly". And they act "sisterly" in that they do have their differences but they also confide in each other and support each other. I wish they develop Lawrence and Raffe's relationship as "cousins", especially now with a baby in each house.

Re: Kitty's attraction Maybe she's so cold she's hot??? It's like those tv shows where women are fighting over a guy with no job (and no prospects of getting one in the near or distant future), 9 kids with 9 different women, and a prison record. The tv ratings in the UK were supposedly very good and I get the feeling the producers were expecting another season the way everything was left dangling (or semi dangling)..

From Francis' and Ross' point of view, Blamey is a wife killer. Nothing romantic about a drunkard who kills his wife and I can understand why he wouldn't want his sister marrying Blamey. Editing to add... Sanson's cheating. It's only been proven that he was cheating Ross. He may or may not have cheated others because there is no proof he did. So he probably won't have to give back what he "won" in other card games. However, it does damage the Warleggan's damaged reputation even more (which is something they probably don't care about as long as it doesn't get out of Cornwall).

If she and her husband were society figures or had a "name", the divorce would have made the papers, especially if it had 'shocking' details. Gollum kisses....how precious!

Oh my! The height disparity was noticeable: a good 2 inches if you compared their shoulder heights. No wonder they're down-playing Elizabeth's hair... Children's ages: Julia is able to sit up with assistance and her head isn't lolling all round, so at the youngest she's about 4 months old. Baby Carter is supposed to be older than Julia because Jim was sent to gaol in episode 3. Ross and Demelza marry in episode 4, Julia is born in episode 5. But Baby Carter looks to be as old as Julia in episode 6.

When Celia said that Gary seemed to think the world revolved around him, I thought "yeah, takes one to know one." *roll eyes* Who was the cheese man? I missed that part because I had to investigate a loud "crash!" in the kid's room.

RE: Tom Carne on Ross and Demelza's marriage. While Tom Carne would be upset the Ross took advantage of Demelza, I think he would be relieved that he made an honest woman of her by marrying her. Had Ross kept Demelza as a mistress and had an illegitimate child with her, I think Tom Carne would habr brought the Illugan miners with him for a show down!

Tom Carne married the Widow Cherwidden, who was a strict Methodist. And he became a Methodist too. So, when he comes to the christening and sees people drinking alcohol, wearing loud clothing, etc. He saw it as a den of snakes and sinners, hence "filth". I don't recall seeing the miners there, but rather the 'gentry', who were most likely not Methodists, but Anglicans. I don't think this is a spoiler but years ago I read Poldark's Cornwall written by Winston Graham. It's a beautifully photographed book with nice photos of the Cornish countryside and coast. It's part travelogue, part memoir. And it had some Poldark trivia scattered throughout (like the first human child named Demelza was the daughter of one of Graham's friend, etc.). Anyhow, 'nampara' means 'valley of bread'.

I took that comment to be sarcasm: they fought on the wrong side because it was the side that lost. I recall watching a PBS program about the American Revolution, which incorporated letters/diaries of Redcoats. The Continental Army wasn't good at "traditional" warfare: organized lines of battle---they sucked at it so much they hired Germans to help them. It did, however, excel at guerrilla warfare: ambushes (which we saw in the first episodes), sabotage, etc. Also the citizenry was armed. The PBS show had an actor read a letter of a Redcoat who was disgusted that behind every hill were armed citizens and everyone was armed, including the children. So based on that PBS show, I have a feeling Ross thought the entire time he was there: "This sucks big time! For every Loyalist, there's a Rebel. So you don't know who's sympathetic or who's not. Virginia's climate is hot and humid on even days and hot and humid on odd days. And did I mention it was hot and humid? "

That's an interesting thought. Celia married Kenneth on the rebound. She and her sister were in love with the same man. And the sister got him, not her. So she has been resentful of her sister because if it wasn't for her (the sister) Celia would never had married Kenneth<----that's Celia rationalization. My rationalization is that Celia believes the universe revolves around her and her alone, and she also believes herself to be the victim, consistently wronged by the actions of other people.

Maybe, maybe not. The issues that prompted the American revolution were self-governance (read: small government) and taxation. Slavery was still an institution. Indentured servitude was still an institution. Unmarried women and widows could own/buy/sell property, enter into contracts, have jobs that didn't require licenses (married women could not.) So there was still a class system in the US based largely on race and sex. Editing to add.... In episode 1, Ross reveals his military participation was a way to get out of some trouble he was in. So clearly he didn't join for ideological purposes.

That's true, but the system of landlord-tenant still persisted. It's like the share-cropper era after the Civil War in the US. Yeah, the share croppers were free, but they were still in a landlord-tenant socio-economic relationship. And sure, they were not legally bound to remain tenants, there were socio-economic barriers that prevented or made it difficult for them to leave. The Warleggans managed to pull themselves out of a blacksmith's shop. Demelza married her way out. But there was a significant portion of the population who didn't----unless they emigrated, but that too was not a guarantee of moving up.

I was typing my response, so I didn't see yours. No system is perfect---even if you are self-employed and your only employee is you. The mines are almost like small businesses: the miners aren't nameless faces or faceless names, living on the same land as the mine owners for generations. Due to that intimate environment, it doesn't make sense for the mine owners to treat the miners like crap. It's like in Kitchen Nightmares, the restaurant owners who treat their employees like crap have restaurants with high employee turn-over or poor workplace morale which translates into poor customer service and failing business. When Ross got Wheal Leisure started again, I can understand why the Mellin miners liked it: Wheal Leisure is probably shorter commute than Grambler or the other mines in the area, they live side by side with the Nampara Poldarks and know them, and if Ross is financially solvent so are they in a sense that their family members who are unable to work in the mines can work for Ross (and be paid) as farm hands and domestics. So it's a win-win for everyone. The Warleggans are just asses. And they are asses with inferiority complexes because they are 2 generations from the blacksmith who founded their fortune. They are in-betweens: to recently working class to be considered part of the old money and too newly rich to be considered part of the working class.

Hugh is in his 50s, but his stepmother is 29 or 30 years old. Both are vulgar and comical, imo. They take a liking to Demelza and Ross and invite them over for parties and such. IIRC it's in Book 3 where Demelza goes to a Bodrugan house party sans Ross.

Heh....my bad. I was listening to Bob Dylan during my morning commute yesterday. Dylan on the brain.......lol.

With this scene being so vague, I don't think any opinion would be argumentative! Just a historical note: the older system Ross belongs to is one of serfdom. His tenants pay him rent. In turn, he benefits from them because they provide him a labor force, skilled (the miners, smiths, wrights, etc.) or unskilled (domestics workers, farm hands) and protection/safety. The closest thing we've seen to the protection aspect in this series is Ross' attempt to help Jim by first appealing to Hugh Bodrugan and then Ross' testimony in court (read the book if you want to see the other example Lord-of-the-manor-protecting-his-serfs because it was cut out of both dramatizations.) The closest thing to serfdom in the US was the plantation system.