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Syndication isn't the only option for shows any more. Lots of shows get 10 - 13 episodes per season and then go to Hulu or Netflix or Amazon. Streaming has completely changed the old business model. Even syndication is different now that there are all those OTA digital sub-channels needing content. Still, the fact is that no one knows at this point what ABC, the stars and the production company are planning. We'll know eventually.

The Conners doesn't have to beat NCIS to be viable. ABC is also going to look at it compared to its other shows and there it did better than anything else the network put on that night. I doubt ABC even knows for sure unless they have something in development they like better. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/conners-is-us-tv-ratings-tuesday-oct-30-2018-1156712

Heh. Some may not but this one certainly remembers how intensely irritating (previously tolerable) things could be. It's weird but I actually find Corky a litle more interesting now because of the menopause storyline. I didn't care for the southern schtick in the original show.

I had to Google that show. At first I wondered why I'd never heard of it but thinking about it, pretty sure I didn't get the WB back then. I did laugh at the Kornacki mention, too.

I was skeptical of how things would play out filming and airing an election episode before the actual election but they did a pretty decent job. The Wolf Network stuff was actually funny.

Things are getting a little off-topic, even for a Halloween episode. The clowns, mimes and other disturbing things discussion can always be taken to Small Talk.

There isn't a show next week, so I hope the audience makes their way back afterwards.

I didn't get a chance to watch this episode until the wee hours Sunday (or is it Monday?) and mostly people have already mentioned stuff but just wanted to comment on a couple of things. First, 13's vulnerability reminded me a lot of 9 asking Rose to come with him and 10 at the end of Runaway Bride. The Doctor gets lonely and he likes humans as traveling companions, so I was okay with it. The second thing was about the sisters comment. I haven't had a chance to rewatch it yet but I remember thinking of the Sisterhood of Karn, not sure why or if it really would even fit with her comments. Overall this one was fair. Lots of good scenes but not very well put together in spots.

I wasn't crazy about Mark mentioning Darlene stealing an art book from the library. They could have added a line from her that she was still borrowing, just without the overdue fines or something. But then I really had problems with the scene in the revival where Roseanne had Mary beeping in the self-checkout while she stole bacon. (And now we'll never get a scene with Geena reaming Roseanne out over it.)

Air Date: October 30, 2018 Note: Updated title of episode; evidently "Freaks and Creaks" was a working title.

Air Date: October 30, 2018

Trader Joe's.

Actually, the way David handled Mark's death seems realistic enough to me. We all handle pain and grief in our own ways. And David didn't have much emotional resilience thanks to his childhood trauma.

I thought it was funny. It felt much more natural too, which helped. Still, I thought the smart speaker was kind of obvious. If Alexa can inadvertently email sensitive conversations to contacts and get used by the police in investigations because it's always listening (and recording) no one thought VAL might be an issue? Though the ending was amusing.

I would love to be able to see the original pre and post Williams Roseanne scripts, just to see the difference in vision. Of course once Roseanne was in charge, it did become her show and she was responsible for a huge part of its success. (And its many rough/weird spots.) Still, the show has good bones and a lot of that is due to the original concept for a blue collar family sitcom, as well as the contributions of the rest of the cast, crew, and writers.

Matt Williams might disagree that everyone owes Roseanne for their success. Roseanne pretty much took over his ensemble show and forced him out. It's interesting that even in 1988, the producers were considering dumping RB and just going with John Goodman. http://articles.latimes.com/1989-01-26/entertainment/ca-1949_1_hit-show I suspect that Roseanne took the settlement money and walked away thinking that either there was no way The Conners would be viable or that ABC would give in and have her back at some point. When I said I had some sympathy for her, I was referring to the realization that she wasn't indispensable. I'm guessing from the way she is lashing out at The Conners, that it really must sting. (Especially that the show is good without her.) But yeah, she dug her own grave and jumped in with both feet. No sympathy on that front.

So, it shouldn't exist even if it's good? Not sure I agree with that logic. And while I have some sympathy for Roseanne Barr, in that The Conners have moved on without her and that has to really hurt - none of us get to control how our legacies are written. We only get to provide the raw material. Final paragraphs from the article:

Lots of looks, no posts... :-) For those who may not be sure what belongs in an episode thread vs. Past and Present, perhaps an example might help. In E01, Dan and Mark have a discussion about choosing a seatmate so he can sit by a boy he likes. If you just want to comment on that, the episode thread is the place. However, if you wanted to also compare at length the scene with the Roseanne revival and Dan's reaction to Mark and the concept of gender fluidity, as well as his reactions to gay characters in the original Roseanne, that kind of discussion is ideally suited to Past and Present. A good rule of thumb is to move a conversation here if it is delving more to the past than the present and is covering more territory than would work in an episode or individual character thread. Anything you might have posted in the Roseanne forum about canon and continuity would also be at home here.

It might just be my imagination but I thought that Darlene's crack about David being the daughter Roseanne always wanted actually had a tinge of jealousy underlying the snark - especially with the looks they gave each other. It didn't go over well in the previous season when she found out that Roseanne had been communicating with David about the kids. And David and Roseanne had their own relationship outside his standing as Darlene's boyfriend/husband. The writers and actors packed a lot of layers and continuity in that little scene.

It wasn't marrying Mark that affected Becky, it was Mark dying. His death was also the end of David and Darlene, as David went off the rails afterwards, too. I don't think Darlene was being a hypocrite about the teen sex just angry that Blue let Harris have sex and that Harris used the opportunity knowing her parents would have objections. Darlene was pretty compassionate about the boy not texting or calling Harris the next day and non-judgmental about the drug store stop. ETA: If you have access to the last season, it's worth watching for the backstory and where all the Conners are at now.

This episode was originally intended to be the 4th, not the 2nd. So there's that.

Sorry, I was referring to abortion. It's just the way some of my friends refer to it. I should fix it.

I'm really hoping that Darlene and Harris are red herrings and that it's Becky. Because I want at least one of the Conners to be happy and a pregnancy storyline for either Darlene or Harris wouldn't be. Darlene has enough on her shoulders, Harris is too young and Geena is too normal. A pregnant Becky would give Darlene plenty of things to snark about and there's enough drama with the drinking to keep it topical but not too controversial. (If it was Darlene, they would at least have to give some airtime to abortion and I can't see that being a big laugh generator. I like The Conners but it isn't Maude.)

Was the mention of DJ working as a vending machine maintenance guy the first one or did I miss something in the previous episode?

I haven't seen most of what Justin Long has been in but I always recognize him as the kid from Galaxy Quest and the Mac guy in the commercials.