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As much as I hate to lose the Boarding House set, I think you're right, Carrie Ann. Damon and Tyler/Julian had to leave the mansion because the spell was starting to affect them there. I love those sets, they're all so gorgeous and perfect IMO, I'm sorry we probably won't be seeing much of them. Maybe Jeremy will do a little caretaking once in awhile. ;) I am a huge, ginormous Damon fan and I am not doing well with any speculation on whether Ian is even going to be a regular in S6. For my own sanity, I'm choosing to believe that, of course, Ian will still be a regular in S6! If sometimes my replies seem like I'm sticking my fingers in my ears and singing "la la la la la", it will be because that is what I'm doing - and not me being rude, I promise! :) I was wondering in the All Seasons Thread about how Stefan will react to Damon's death. I really wish they had cut the Delena scene by 3/4ths and had that time with Defan. As much as I love Damon is about how much I hate Elena, so seeing her crying for over 3 minutes didn't do much for me. The Salvatore brothers deserved so much better than no goodbye. I'm thinking maybe Stefan has gone off on his own for awhile, to grieve, to cope, maybe to look into some way to get his brother back. I actually like the idea of him not being around for Elena to cry at and lean on. He could keep in touch with Caroline, but IMO, if he stays in the Mystic Falls area, then he's stuck with Elena making it all about her. Maybe he got on his motorcycle and went to Portland after all. In her interviews, Julie Plec mentioned something about some of the characters not being around, I'm really hoping Stefan is one of them. Mostly, I just want Stefan to have his own losses and grief acknowledged without it being about Elena. I am so happy to have Alaric back! At the very least, he should be some comfort to Jeremy. I read in the same interview that he'll be having issues adjusting to being a vampire. That makes sense to me since when he was turned into an Original by Esther, he only lived a few days as a vampire before dying. I hope they give him a decent storyline apart from being the Gilberts father figure. It would be nice to see Alaric and Stefan leaning on each other a little - if they allow Stefan to have more than his one friend, Caroline. I have no idea what they're going to do with Enzo. I like him fine, he's pretty enough, but I'm not sure what purpose he serves - especially if Damon isn't around. Enzo will not be a good snarky Damon replacement and I can't see them trying to put Caroline with him at this point. OH! Maybe Elena can hook up with Enzo and leave the Salvatores alone!! Ok, I'll shut up for now. Sorry for the endless ramble!

Thanks Carrie Ann - I didn't think about starting a Spec thread, I'm glad you have a functioning brain! LOL Jads, I'll take my thoughts on your post to the Spec thread. :)

Is this the right thread to see how everyone thinks Stefan is going to react to Damon's death? I don't want to start more Damon hate, I've just been thinking a lot about Stefan's reaction and adjustment to his brother being dead and I'm curious to see what others are thinking about it. According to some post finale interviews: I wonder if Stefan is going to become even more withdrawn than he's been in the past? Or does he go Ripper again to deal with the loss? Regardless of whether we like or don't like Damon, Stefan loves Damon and didn't want his brother to die. Anybody else have a good guess or theory on what Stefan may be doing in the wake of his brother's death? Or any of the characters for that matter? I miss my vamps - I'm hoping someone will take pity and discuss this some with me. ;)

All the stuff in Sam's head did Sam no favors, IMO. It made him look so arrogant and conceited to me, I remember growling at Sam when I initially rewatched it back in October and last night was no different. Why would they write Sam that way?! Did they want me to think he was that arrogant? Did they want me to not like him even more than I already didn't like him? It started off okay, talking with his Head!Dean about fighting to live and the plan to make it happen. Then Bobby appeared and it all went to shit, IMO. Head!Bobby snapping at Dean about him not doing anything to rescue him from Hell? What?! If not for Dean asking Benny to go to Purgatory to rescue Sam, how exactly would Sam have gotten Bobby's soul to Heaven? Wouldn't he have been trapped in Purgatory for however long? And this is what Sam believes in his head? Head!Bobby continued with the hero worship stuff when he talked about how Sam saved the whole world, how he had done so much good and was leaving the world a better place, how he was leaving a legacy. Wow, no self-esteem issues there. And this is what Sam believes in his head? Then enter Death. He had to attend to this soul in person. It was his honor to reap the soul of Sam Winchester. And this is what Sam believes in his head? I don't understand what the writers were going for here? Is it because I'm more of a DeanGirl that I interpret these scenes this way? I don't want to not like Sam but this kind of stuff doesn't help me like him again. What am I missing?

HA! This made me laugh and snort at the same time! Whatever happened to Brady? He hooked up with Kristen and lost every brain cell he possessed! Since the Kristen debacle, he's done nothing but whine, cry and oh yeah, drink and snort coke! I'm kinda sorry he stopped with the cocaine - it was hilarious to me that he needed to snort it like every 5 minutes! He would snort some coke, talk to someone, let's say Maggie, and as soon as the conversation of 2.5 minutes was over and she left the room, there goes Brady, snorting more coke! It was a miracle he could ever leave his bedroom with how often he needed to snort cocaine! He's almost doing the same thing with drinking but it's not as funny. Ah Brady. Someone needs to knock him about his head a few times, see if they can push his brain past 15 years old! Thanks for the laugh!! :)

Heh - yeah, he certainly won no awards with that scene! But, I had seen this line quoted on Twitter so I watched it twice and he was being sarcastic. That's when he finally started to take some action as far as trying to get in touch with Eric. And then doubting whether it was actually Eric who texted him. You mostly had to watch closely to see a tiny eyebrow raise and then put that line in context with what he was doing about it. Had I not see the quote before watching I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have realized he meant it facetiously either. We should not have to work so hard to follow a character's thoughts - another fail for Dr Dan! LOL

Finally got caught up today after being almost a week behind. I need some kind of eye therapy now from rolling my eyes at sooooo many scenes - most of them with horribly nosey Jennifer! For the 5 episodes I watched, most of Jennifer's lines were, "Tell me the secret, Daniel." "I want to know what you're not telling me, Daniel." "What's the secret, Daniel?" OMG, bitch, mind your own business!! She was making me even more insane than she usually does! Could whoever shot Nick, please take a shot at Jennifer next? Also, while taking shots, aim one at Abigail too, please! She's right up there with Gabi in the 'too stupid to live' category. So, you slept with EJ, who the hell cares?! Get over it and move on! I DID like when EJ was all up in her zone, a bit threatening. That was awesome! I wanted to see her pee her pants a little! LOL You wanna play with the big boys, little girl, then step on up! JJ, Paige, Rory and Bev - boring. I actually have come to like JJ and he's cute with Paige but please, leave the two stoners out of the story now. Is it wrong that I just want to slap Hope these days? She's just awful with everyone she comes in contact with anymore. Same sentiment about Brady. He's too pretty to waste on having no storyline but drinking. I do like the Who Shot Nick mystery. It's somewhat predictable with everyone trying to protect someone else by falling on the grenade, but it's still a fun storyline. Has anyone figured out who actually did it yet? I'm still guessing Gabi but I don't really have a good theory on it.

I hate to defend Dr Dan - but he said that line about Nicole never lying sarcastically. After he said that is when he started frantically trying to get in touch with Eric to see if Nicole had told him yet. "Hey Eric, it's Daniel. Where are you? Did Nicole tell you what she did to you yet? If she did, call me!" "Uh, Eric, Daniel again. Did Nicole tell you yet? Can you call me now, please?" "Daniel again, Eric. I'm waiting for your call to me once Nicole tells you what she did. I should be your first call, okay? Um, it's Daniel. Ok, bye." UGH.

Well, I've watched the finale 3 times now and I guess it was an okay finale for a so-so season. It won't go down as one of my favorite finales but something's gotta be near the bottom of the list. There were parts I really liked and then there was Metatron. Every second he was on the screen (without Dean, Sam or Cas) was a gigantic waste of time, IMO, time that could've been better spent on Dean and Sam. I am not happy that he's still around and kicking because that means we could end up with more of his boring monologues in S10. The whole unbearably long scene of Metatron in the homeless camp was just torture, the same with his opening scene typing his story and picking out pathetic looking clothes - so much wasted time that they could've used to show us anything else! Sam bringing Dean home, Cas trying to get to the bunker, Crowley retrieving the First Blade from the warehouse, puppies, kittens and unicorns - anything else but Metatron talking, talking, talking. Then there's also my own prejudice that Metatron is Booger and he grosses me out. I know the actor is fine, I just can't look at him without seeing gross Booger. So, please, no more Metatron. I'm not the hugest fan of JP's acting but I have to say, I thought he did outstanding here. I felt like Sam was terrified of what was happening to Dean when they pulled him off Gadreel - I could see the desperation in his eyes. He kept that same underlying fear for Dean in his eyes the whole episode - even when he made his ridiculous speech about Dean's "real" friends and how Dean had tricked him. I've pretty much disliked Sam intensely since The Purge and haven't been prone to giving him much of a break, but he felt more like regular Sam then the Sam we've seen since The Purge. Dialogue helped some of that but I feel like JP sold it to me this time, so kudos to him. Also, that boy is not afraid to ugly cry and just letting loose with the tears and face impacts the scene for me. Cas' reaction to Metatron's "Dean's dead" announcement was also well-played, IMO. As an angel, I didn't think he would just burst out sobbing and ripping at his clothes - but his eyes immediately welled up and the look on his face and in his eyes said it all. He still had the business of stopping Metatron to deal with but the defeat in his posture when he told Hannah he just wanted to be an angel spoke volumes. I'm with some of you that have commented, I wish we could've had a decent Dean/Cas moment. They stole that time and gave it to Booger instead. And then there's Dean. Oh my Deangirl heart. After all the talk and previews and speculation, I had no doubt he would open black eyes at the some point in the episode. Hell, Jensen pretty much narrowed it down to the last second in his interviews, so that part was no surprise to me. I wished so much it wouldn't come true but I was pretty sure it would. The part that really got me, surprised me, made me gasp and cover my mouth was when Metratron stabbed Dean. I did NOT see that coming! I wasn't prepared to see Booger so thoroughly kicking Dean's ass but when Dean used the force to recover the Blade, I thought the tide would turn. Holy shit, it did not turn!! The intimacy of Metatron putting that angel blade through Dean's heart was just a huge shock to me! It was a huge shock to Dean too and JA killed it in those scenes! The shock, the pain, the fear, the realization - all the emotions played over his face and it was a thing of wonder. This is the scene that had the most impact on me, I'm still not over the shock of it. I think it will end up always jumping me a little, just like the finale of S1 does when the semi hits the Impala. I've watched that episode so many times and I still jump at that part - I think this will be the same thing for me. And then Sam and Dean. "I'm proud of us." What more needed to be said? It was heartbreaking to hear those words and then watch Dean just go boneless in death. I didn't ugly cry like Sammy, but I will admit to having some quiet tears running down my face. I do wonder how long they'll have Dean be a demon in S10. I don't want it to be long. I was okay with Dean going a little dark but I don't want him to be a demon. Or a Knight of Hell. Or anything to do with hell or demons. I want our Dean, the one who is crass and rude, who laughs at dick jokes and makes inappropriate comments at inappropriate times. The one who is loyal and strong and loving and smart. If it will work, I'll temporarily join the group that never wants Sam and Dean separated so they have to quickly cure/save/whatever Dean so he's not a demon anymore. Between this finale and my other favorite show's finale, it's going to be a long summer for my favorite boys. They're both dead/dead-ish for now and wow, I do not like that much! But I am curious to see what happens next.

I think salt does hurt/bother demons. They can't cross salt lines. The shotgun salt rounds slowed them down/hurt them a little. Remember Jus in Bello? They used lots of salt against all those demons in that one. Of course, they also had Ruby eating french fries with ketchup in S3 and nu-Ruby wanting french fries in S4, so I don't know! :)

Yeah, I don't know about the vampire vampire hunter thing anymore either. It seems like that part of Esther's plan died when Alaric died. Like you said, everytime we've seen him on the Other Side, he's been Alaric, not evil Alaric. Maybe they'll have a line or two of dialogue in S6 just to put a few of these Alaric questions to rest. When I put aside the part about Damon being dead, I'm so so so happy that Alaric is back! I've missed him!

From what I remember: Esther is the one who made Alaric a vampire. She used the same spell on Alaric as she did on her children back in the day. That would make Alaric an "Original" vampire, I believe, because he was created from that spell, not turned by someone in the Original family bloodline. He was sired by no one, it was strictly Esther's spell. I wonder what, if anything, can kill Alaric now? When Esther created him, she tied his life to Elena's and her death was the only thing that could kill him. The Mikaelsons can only be killed with that one white oak stake but it didn't work on Alaric when they tried it at the end of S3. Elena is already dead. Hmmm, that's interesting.

The new information Stefan received was that he and Elena used to date. Elena and Damon were now dating. He jumped to his brother stole his girlfriend and she let him. To accurately process the information, maybe he could've used more details instead of jumping to conclusions and rushing off to feed on someone? I'm gonna stand by my points as I actually like both brothers. I really dislike bashing one to prop up the other, IMO they've both done bad and they've both done good. And we're all entitled to our opinions, so I'll respect them even if I don't agree with them.

Oh, I don't know. Stefan has done some pretty shitty things himself and been given a pass for them, not just by Elena but by the rest of the gang too. He basically stalked Elena in the beginning and even though he knew he was a vampire, he still "had to know her". No problem though, she still loves him. He had an entire wall with the names of people he killed. No problem though, she still loves him. He told Elena that Klaus killing Jeremy was "not his problem" and refused to help her. No problem though, she still loves him. He threatened to drive Elena off the Wickery Bridge and turn her into a vampire by her drowning. No problem though, she still loves him. I don't feel like Stefan really faced much for consequences with those examples. Just because he broods and looks sad about it doesn't mean he faced any real consequences for what he did. At the end of the day, practically everyone in the core group can be shown to be pretty awful. They can also be shown to be pretty awesome. It's a vampire show, we root for the vampires on this show. Bad boys, rippers, no humanity, brooding, loving, self-sacrificing, heroic vampires. I am glad they all basically get passes on some of the shit they pull - it would be unbelievably boring otherwise, IMO.

From your lips to their ears, hopefully. As a Damon fan, I'm still waiting to have my every whim catered to by Plec and Dries. They've really been falling down on the job these last 2 seasons. I have been far from happy with Damon's story this season but you won't see me in the Stefan thread bashing on Stefan to justify my dissatisfaction. IMO, Plec and Dries have catered to no one other than themselves with their convoluted storylines for S5. I'm not the most articulate poster but I'm going to give it a shot on how they've trashed Delena, Stelena, Damon and Stefan this season. Delena - they took 3+ seasons of organic relationship growth and turned it into nothing but sex. The Delena relationship was built on a connection and on the ability to just say what they thought to each other as well as sexual attraction. What we got was " all I wanna do is bang you" and nothing else. Oh wait, yeah, "we're toxic together", forgot we got that too. Delena pretty much trashed. Stelena - they took 3+ seasons of that relationship and used it to make their Silas/Qetsiyah BS work. False prophecies, Traveler spells and mindgames are what they reduced that relationship to. IMO, Stelena pretty much trashed. At least they let them be friends somewhat at the end, so there's that, I guess. Stefan - Stefan has always been flawed but he was generally trying to be good and bury those faults. After having him drown all summer, they made him lose all his memories and guess what happened then? Stefan is an asshole without his memories. He was a jerk to everyone but Caroline because his brother "stole his girlfriend and his girlfriend let him". Huh? If he didn't remember Elena, why would he care? Then they had him sleeping with Katherine and defending her to everyone. Then they put him back up on his moral high horse so he could judge people with Caroline. It was only towards the end that they let him be the Stefan I have always, (somewhat resentfully, dammit!) loved. But not without all that trashing of Stefan first. Damon - Damon has always been flawed as well. I won't deny he's done some pretty awful things over the years but he was learning. He's taken forever to do it but he was growing. Yeah, all that erased when Katherine broke up with him. Just gone. I mean, really, Jeremy again? C'mon! The Deremy relationship has been rocky and complicated but those two honestly care about each other regardless of what they say. The Damon who reached out and hugged Jeremy after hearing Bonnie was dead - to being good with Enzo killing him? No. Ridiculous BS. Even the writers couldn't keep track! If Damon was far enough off the rails to be fine with killing Jeremy, why bother showing his hurt face when Stefan told him to go away and never come back? There are plenty more examples but I'm starting to bore myself, so anyway, Damon trashed. S5 overall just stank. It's become very clear to me that Kevin Williamson was the one with the creativity and Julie Plec was fine writing under his tutelage. Left on her own, she's terrible and she's passed that onto Caroline Dries. I hope they do better with S6, I really do.

Damon/Ian Somerhalder is integral to the Vampire Diaries, the same as Stefan/Paul Wesley and Elena/Nina Dobrev. IMO, none of the three are particularly wonderful actors. They're good but none are Oscar material. I don't believe that Ian's "terrible googly eye acting" is worse than anyone else's acting. I believe he does what he can with the incredible crap they give him, same as Paul Wesley. I also don't believe his every whim is catered to by the producers. If this was true, Damon would've had a much better story this season than just being Elena's freakin' lapdog. Damon's character was pretty trashed this season, any growth from the previous 4 years was forgotten when they made him act a fool after Kat/Elena broke up with him. The same character who told Stefan that he was not allowed to feel his guilt suddenly started blaming Katherine for every single bad thing that had ever happened to him - bullshit. There are plenty of examples where they completely regressed Damon's character to S1 to serve their ridiculous storylines. I just can't believe if Plec and Dries have such a hard-on for Ian and cater to his every whim, that he would've been fine with what they did this year to Damon. I don't think Ian Somerhalder wants to play Damon as some "poor woobie" with manpain, in fact, he's said more than once that he likes it when Damon is badass. Plec and Dries also chose to ruin the Damon/Elena relationship. I didn't see anything wrong with their chemistry - I saw crap storylines that included ridiculous circumstances and over the top drama. We were only 'told' that they had the best summer of their lives and were happy, we didn't get to see that. There was one quiet, normal moment of Damon and Elena cuddling on the couch before Silas came in, the rest was all contrived drama and crappy storylines. I've seen comments about the "Delena Diaries" being the downfall of TVD and I just feel it's blatantly untrue. We didn't get Delena. We got - come here, no go away, come here, no go away, we're so bad for each other, blah, blah, blah - no real moments of just being a couple that we did get to see when it was Stefan and Elena. It's as if Delena was only about sex which I don't think is true. Of course, their attraction to each other was unquestionable, but so was their trust in each other and the ability to speak honestly with each other. Anything other than sexual chemistry was thrown away in service to the horrible big, bad villain storylines. So, if you weren't a fan of Damon or Delena, it's really easy to blame all S5's problems on them, but I just don't believe that's why the season was so bad. S5 stinks because of the writing/storylines. Silas was an awful big bad. He was basically Ripper Stefan, only immortal. Qetsiyah/Tessa was ridiculous. The character of Katherine, smarter than her enemies for 500 years, was annihilated when they made her the big bad. I mean, that was seriously Katherine who was acting so idiotic? No way. And then, the Travelers. Ugh, really? I don't think that Stelena could've saved this season either - Stefan fans should be happy that Stefan got out from under the burden of being with Elena. I used to want nothing more than Damon to be with Elena - be careful what you wish for because I take it all back! I want original recipe Damon back, Stefan can have the horrible suckiness that is Elena! This being the Damon thread, I'll stop ranting with opinions no one cares about by saying I bawled like I was a 13 year old at the ending of the finale. I'm not comforted by Julie Plec's interviews about S6. Only having Damon in flashbacks or daydreams will not work for me. I want him back, in the flesh, hanging out with Alaric (which, YAY!) snarking with Stefan and being a general pain in the ass to the other characters. If they had to kill off one of the main three, why couldn't it have been freakin' Elena? I'd be so looking forward to S6 if that were the case!

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks some of these things mentioned! I love this show, it's my #1 or #2 depending on my mood, but it gets so frustrating sometimes!! I love Castiel. I love that Cas loves Dean so much. I don't see any romantic anything with them though. I see two guys who love each other as, dare I say, brothers or really good friends. I have purposefully looked for all these romantic subtext things and just can't see them. That said, I can't stand when they try to pair up Cas with Sam. Whew, that's a tough one to admit to anyone other than my poor, put-upon husband! I'm not sure if it's because I have come to really, really dislike Sam so I don't like him playing with my nice things or if it just feels so forced to me whenever they put them together. It always feels like they sat around and said, "Geez, everyone's whining about Sam never having any scenes with Cas, let's make them work together on this, that'll shut 'em up for awhile!" Sam and Cas scenes just don't feel as organic to me as Dean and Cas scenes. Ugh, I can't really explain it well, so I'll just leave it there. I loved Jo and was sorry Dean looked at her in a new light too late. I loved Lisa and I loved Ben. I knew she was just too good to be true but I didn't care, I liked how she was with Dean. I loved how Dean was with Ben and I really loved how Ben was with Dean. That boy just flat out loved him. I didn't like either Ruby. I liked Meg 2.0 better than Nicki Aycox. Never warmed to Kevin Tran or his mom. Osric seems like a sweetheart but I'm fine with both Trans being gone now. I watch the show for Dean, Cas and Sam. I loved the early seasons (especially S3) when Sam loved his brother and didn't openly see him as a burden. I miss those Winchesters. I know they had to grow and I'm good with that but I hate that I hate Sam. They ruined him for me in S4 and after S8, it's pretty much full on hate for Sam on my part. I hate that!! This is a really fun thread to read. It's also good to get some of those UO's out there! Sorry I wrote a book about mine! :)

No, I'm not a 14 year old teeny bopper but I am really upset about Damon being dead. I'm still weepy about it over an hour later. All I could focus on was please bring Alaric back, please bring Alaric back and then they killed Damon. Without Damon, Alaric being back is pointless, IMO. And Enzo too! UGH. I should not be allowed to post on any grown up sites until I can behave in a manner somewhat closer to my old age. Can anyone point me to the teenybopper sites so I can cry in emoticons for awhile?

OMG, that's just hilarious!! I don't ship Destiel in any way, shape or form, but that was just too freakin' funny!! Thanks for sharing it!!

I think I watch too many supernatural shows because I kept waiting for Nick to open his eyes once Gabi was alone in the room with him! LOL I was afraid to be happy that he's well and truly, most sincerely dead!! But now.... YAHOO!!! Ahem, sorry. I hope I never, ever have to see that revolting Valentine's Day flashback of Nick and that pillow again. I FF'd through that scene when it was happening and it hurts my eyes to have to see it in a flashback. I wanted to give Gabi some credit so I hoped they would have her stop sniveling and just glare at Nick's dead body after Julie and Maggie left the room, but nope, Gabi's still too dumb to breathe. UGH, that flashback of hers was just repulsive. I've been around long enough that I remember Julie in her younger days. I loved her and I loved Doug - before they became old, old, ocean cruising caricatures of themselves. But because of their history, I always give Julie a pass with her over the top histrionics. And on this occasion, I will gladly listen to Julie wailing and gnashing her teeth because Nick is DEAD! I have complaints about the way Sami, Abigail, Hope and Marlena are behaving but I'm just too damn happy about Nick finally being dead that they get a pass for today too. My complaint list will just be a little longer next time! LOL

You guys are right! I didn't even think about all the other people they were putting into place to kill Nick. They kept showing EJ's hitman lurking in the bushes, so I just went with that. Of course all the other people are suspect in the shooting - maybe 3 different shooters even! I just want Nick to be dead and gone Sooooooo freakin' much that I was only thinking about whether he was actually going to die or not. And I knew they were setting it up for us to wonder who actually did the shooting. Thanks for reminding me to think about the rest of the plot! :)

You are SO right about this as far as I'm concerned. All his crying and 'woe is me' BS just made me roll my eyes and get more impatient with the hitman! I just kept thinking, PLEASE shoot this guy already, put ME out of his misery!! Also,that hitman is terrible! He shot Nick 3 freakin' times and that little worm still managed to stagger into Horton Square? WTF? So, is Nick going to survive this too? Have they hidden EJ's balls so far away that he can't even hire a competent hitman? UGH!! Please, please, please let Nick be really dead. Please.

My unpopular opinion is that I love Nicole. I always root for her and I hate that they keep having her go from trying to be good to being an idiot with the Dr Chyka paperwork. I know it was wrong for her to keep the info from Eric but at this point, I don't care. I just want her to have something work out for once, even if it is with boring Eric. I'm pissed that they had her destroy the Chyka papers - it would've been so much better, IMO, for her to have given them to Eric and have him still pick her in the end. She was headed that way but then, nope, back to idiot Nicole. Now that Dr Dan has the paperwork, the happy engagement is just about over and we'll be back to everyone judging and hating Nicole regardless of what she does. Oh well, at least she's a pretty crier.

Ditto for me. I like all the characters (except Elena) a lot, but Damon is the reason I'm still watching. The fun show that drew me in through 3 seasons has become a train wreck since Julie Plec became the sole showrunner, IMO. I've quit trying to get much out of the ridiculously bad storylines anymore, the cure was a snooze, the doppelganger thing has been done to death and the Travelers are the most boring villains ever to bore me. I can find something to like in pretty much every episode now that I've decided to let go of the idea that any of it will make sense. Damon and his snark are the best parts for me. Without Damon (and Ian Somerhalder) I would have zero problem dropping this show now.

I thought it was okay. I knew it was the backdoor pilot so I wasn't expecting to see much of the Winchesters, last year was the same with the TVD spin off. I would've liked another hour of Supernatural with Dean and Sam to follow this show! I'd give it another watch, I pretty much watch all the other CW shows and this one fits right in.