alexa

Unfortunately it would have been rushed no matter what as that is the new order of things it seems. Instead of having a rose ceremony at the end, they seem to find a dramatic moment to end on so that they can wait a week to finish it. I really wish they would go back to the old formula of having the rose ceremony at the end of the episode. I don't really like how broken up all of the episodes feel. I know they are doing it to supposedly get people to watch the next week, but most people that are following the show would watch it the next week anyway.

I agree, but she just always comes off to me as if she hasn't really decided what kind of guy or relationship she wants--she just likes the guy that likes her. And she is into everything he is into. I wasn't making any comparisons to Kaitlyn as Kaitlyn hasn't been impressive so far either.

Probably true! But after seeing Britt and Brady together, and her fake generic responses I still feel happy she wasn't the B'ette. She doesn't really have a clue as to what she wants other than to be the chosen one :-)

I have to agree with all of the basic sentiments. I thought Kaitlyn would be a great Bachelorette, but she sucks. I really hated how when the guys weren't causing the drama that she had to create it by ruining their date to think about Nick. That was so rude. She literally left their date to ponder over Nick, didn't spend any time with them after they voted for her/wasted their time on her, and then comes back and notices the mood isn't good. Really? I wonder why? And then she has a date where she doesn't actually spend any time with them as only one person can do that one minute Broadway performance. I know they have done this before but after the other dud date, does she really think she will get to know any of these guys if she just has them fight, rap, and practice Broadway? And then some current guys will have to go home while Nick moves in? How does she even think that will look to the guys that are there. The whole thing just baffles me. I used to like Nick, but seeing him now I can see why so many people didn't like him on Andi's season. He just wants the attention and to be "the one".

I agree with the others.... and say give Lorelei a chance! She really created a great life for her and her daughter given the fact she came from a rich family, had a baby young, didn't accept help, and went from a maid to managing the inn. And she has a home, friends, and a great town full of people to support her. I love her relationship with Rory. I love how she raised her in a way that allowed her to feel safe but not too sheltered. And I love they are able to be friends along with mom and daughter. Adding to this that Rory's father was only present off and on throughout. Although Lorelai has her flaws, I have always seen far more good from her than bad. And when she is "complex" I feel that is real life rearing its head. I think given her past, and basic human behavior, it is to be expected.

In addition to what I already said about feeling like it is over the top, I think the other issue for me is that the constant hyperactivity by those in charge--yelling and analyzing every possible scene--became really old to me fast. That will obviously continue in the future episodes, and even if that aspect is true of tv sets, it isn't something that I find interesting to watch. I also just feel that future episodes can't differ a whole lot from what we saw on the first episode. I get the idea, the cast is manipulated, and the producers have to do a lot of crazy things to egg them on.

I had hoped to like this but just found it too over the top for my taste. I am not thinking reality tv is all unicorns and rainbows but I just don't think the sets are quite so intense. I am sure there is manipulation, etc but I just found the intensity of this as too much to depict what goes on.

I won't go too forums on forums talk, and will try to address this to share my opinions versus being confused about everyone else's. My feelings are that Maci is pretty harmless, there is nothing so out there about her having a second child in her 20s given that she has waited several years. She does make money in some fashion, she is not living on the street and seems to provide a stable home to her existing child. I personally feel she has good intentions when dealing with Ryan and other people in relation to her son. She may not always please everyone in how she does it, but I truly see her as the one with the least issues of the 4 moms and I don't find a lot to get upset about in regard to her storyline.

I get confused by Emily as well. On the one hand I like that the writing shows their complicated relationship, and in many ways that is a very normal life experience for many families. So I like that I don't always understand it and can view their relationship as complex and not one dimensional. On the other hand, Emily really is inconsistent, and how she acts on an issue in one episode often doesn't correlate about how she acts in another episode on the same type of issue. I don't think she would be that "complex" to the point that her brain can't figure out from day to day how she feels about something.

I think you all have a good point about Rory. I know I made those comments being annoyed with Jess, but now that I am a few episodes further it clearly reminds me of how she acted and her part in it. I have seen this series more than once but forget aspects over time. I hated how she did what she did to Dean throughout most of their relationship, and especially when Jess came around. At that dance how she went on and on about Jess and didn't think anything about how Dean might see how obvious it was that she was into Jess was just crazy to me. I am happy he stood up to her and just said forget it. She really is an idiot when it comes to guys sometimes.

I wasn't talking about whether people were being too judgmental about the situations in my comments. I agree some of the behavior is over the top. I was referring to the fact that these kids are now 6 and have no business being on TV--this series should be done based on their age alone. I was just saying that some of the behavior for this age is normal, and I don't think we all have to see it. Regardless of whether we are seeing the occasional bad day or they are always like that. I wish the kids had their privacy and that the moms would quit signing up for the show and that MTV would quit asking them. I wasn't really making a comment on how they are parenting/not parenting in these behavior situations.

Along with everything else that has already been said, I think this season is a clear reason why the show needs to be done. I think the kids ages make a huge case for that, as they are at that time in their lives where they are becoming more and more of the person they are going to be, and they should be allowed to do that without cameras following them. Much of the behavior that is commented on here is fairly common for this age at one point or another, but is typically handled in a fashion that makes it not feel like it is happening all of the time. Plus I think it isn't beneficial for them to go through these moods and stages on camera. I just feel it is inappropriate and they should be allowed to live their lives, including their bad moments, without a camera following them around. I am relieved for Bentley that he has gotten a break from it all even though Maci's segments are more boring now. I hope it doesn't come back, and these parents need to move on with their lives without MTV dragging them all back in. Of course they are going to say yes for the money, but it really doesn't serve any of them well. I was confused about the "April's husband" situation too. I missed the marriage somehow? And agree that I wondered where Tyler's mom was in the conversation about who could help with Nova. And yes, they all get too involved with Carly, and I don't blame Theresa for not bringing her to the reunion. They need distance at this point, I feel.

The latest at her website... she is obviously needing some $$. Check out the latest product placements, it is quite a joke how she thinks that the rest of the "mamas" out there actually need the products that she advertises. Seriously, does she think we are all stupid? The food one is awful, and I am embarrassed for her kids. They look like they sit on their bed and just eat snacks. http://torispelling.com/

Thanks for the clarification. I had never seen it done here before so was confused. Appreciate the info.

I was just wondering if something had changed in regard to when you can post? Typically the topic is closed until the show is over, so that there isn't the ongoing during episode chatter. Perhaps this one was handled differently for some reason?

He should be bothered because he cares about the safety of his son. State laws have never fully measured up to what needs to be done for safety... they list the bare minimum. I think Maci is referring to a booster seat.... many of them look like carseats because they have a back to them. But they have to have the booster so the seatbelt sits in the right place on their body so it works appropriately. Personally, I think Ryan should know better, and it isn't difficult to use a booster. He would think differently if Bentley got hurt or was killed from not using one, and that is the sad thing.

Oh wow, based on all of this, what a mess! I am kind of in shock really. I think with all of the seasons of the Bachelor and B'ette, the whole sex thing has been fairly tame and handled fairly respectfully, with the exception of a couple here and there. As stated above, I expect the guys to have respect for those he is dating just as much as I would expect a woman to in the position of B'ette. I also agree that it is an ethics thing and if you are claiming to love someone or care enough about them to want to marry them, of course they are not going to think it is a great thing for you to sleep with other men/women all within a week's timeframe. That is just gross. I will see how it plays out, but these spoilers do change how I feel about Kaitlyn, quite honestly. I think she has really done herself a disservice, and it seems obvious to me you don't want to go on a tv show to highlight your sexual activity. That is just nuts.

As I stated it wasn't really Jess' fault, it is more about the influence he had on her. Again, not his fault, but it influenced how I felt about the introduction of character to the show. As for the accident, I thought that the reactions were a bit over the top as well.

Though Jess isn't really to blame, I hate that Rory missed her mom's graduation to go see him in NY. One of those GG moments that leave me unsatisfied with an episode. I like that Rory explained it all, felt sufficiently horrible, etc, but it kind of reminds me of Chris' interruptions in their lives. And Rory and Lorelai can't get that graduation moment back, so it influences my opinion about Rory and Jess.

I mainly found it interesting how Britt was so excited (and then also took the time to say how Kaitlyn was too nervous and that was too bad for her) when the guys were coming up to her. But the moment they started going up to Kaitlyn first, suddenly Britt wasn't feeling so confident. What a shocker! We have seen that from her before. Yes, it is normal for her to feel that way, but she should have been more realistic from the beginning versus acting like it was all going to be so much fun. I think Kaitlyn was being very realistic about it all felt. Add to that I think Britt was going to be excited at first no matter what because I think she knows she was an add-on and Kaitlyn was originally going to be the b'ette. So of course Kaitlyn was not thrilled to begin with, and Britt was because she got her chance. I really hated the concept of the 2 women having to do that. I don't care that two men had to do it many years back. It is disrespectful to any of them that are put in that position. I also think it sets up the Bachelorette for more failure to succeed in the season, as you already have almost eliminated 1/2 the men that prefer the other woman. It will take a few weeks to get past that issue to then move on to them giving Kaitlyn a chance. But this is Fleiss, so I am not shocked at all that he doesn't care about the final outcome. Overall, I will like it when we move forward to the one b'ette. I really didn't like last night's episode much.

My main thought was is there some rule that the freestyles can't actually be judged and everyone gets an automatic 10? Why have judges? I was bored by Noah's dance. Forgive me for not being wowed or brought to tears by it. I will feel very disappointed if he wins. Riker--once again I think Alison was all over the place. I thought the dance changed up too much for me to have a chance to enjoy any part of it. I was just not impressed, and I have hated how she keeps making this about her winning the trophy/making it to the finals, etc. She is the teacher, and though it is nice to win, it should be about Riker, not her. I love Val and Rumer, and them winning will be the only satisfactory ending for me. I just think they bring a higher level than the other two, and I loved their freestyle. I like that some of the freestyles have toned it down over the last several years because I was getting so tired of everyone thinking they had to do hip hop or some other dance that didn't suit the star. I think it is like others have said above--doing a dance that is free from the rules and matches the strength and beauty of the dancer and what they can bring to the dance.

So far I only saw about halfway, but I have some immediate thoughts: Sophia--putting that poor girl in all of that makeup and dress was awful! She looked awful, and it just seemed so sad to me as it seems representative of her future. Plus they kept referencing Fancy, which is not a good thing according to the song it comes from. Ugh. Macy--I felt bad for her and Bentley being in that accident and I was horrified that after they were both in accidents that Ryan said that about the carseat. How can you not care about your child's safety. Sure, he was fine, but perhaps he hadn't been in a major accident as a child--what happens when he has one with Bentley and why risk that esp when booster seats are so easy to use and install. Catelynn-- I think there is not much to overthink about the weight. She is like many other people struggling with the idea of having to lose weight. It isn't easy, and she has a jerk boyfriend that is making it impossible, as it is very hard to lose weight when someone pressures you and so much easier if you have the space to do it on your own without comments like his. That lunch was awful, and whoever the woman was going along with Tyler about how to lose weight was getting on my nerves.

This is something I find funny. Everytime Tori posts a picture on twitter from her instagram account, if she is in the picture, she has her head turned to show the same side of her face. There is someone that comments everytime with the following comment, and I think it is great: "And there we have the very same side if your face as always. What is wrong with the other side?" Because it really looks ridiculous...everyone else is facing forward in these pics, and here is Tori with her turned head. https://instagram.com/torispelling/

I am relieved to see on many various websites viewer comments at the end of the articles are totally frustrated with Noah going through, and using language such as pity votes, and using the proposal to get more votes, etc. It made me feel a little better to see the frustration more widespread.

I hope this show moves on to another topic other than Maci/Farrah. As the discussion will become more interesting then as well. It just feels like all there is to say is the same thing over and over. Nothing against anyone here, as you can only discuss what is shown on the show, and unfortunately that is the Maci/Farrah showdown. That said, I find Maci harmless, and probably one of the better moms in terms of not doing drugs, not doing porn, not doing much of anything to cause a big fuss. Though that may be boring I prefer it over someone like Farrah or Jenelle (TM II). I think Bentley is much better off because of it as well. I also think they are minimizing Catelynn and Amber's reactions to Farrah to make Maci look worse. As they totally didn't show the scene about Amber being bothered by what Farrah put on Twitter on the actual aftershow. In the recent episode it is clear it was much more strained than they what they edited for the show.